Time to switch angles?

Hey all, I've been Penis Enlargementing for a few years now, made some gains. Only recently I started hanging. My LOT was about 9, and after about 2 months of hanging (with a bib starter) BTC and SD 1 hour a day, my LOT has dropped to almost 6. My erection angle has gone parallel to the floor, maybe lower. I've noticed SLIGHT BPenis EnlargementL gains, but mostly are flaccid. Huge flaccid gains.

Does anyone think its time to switch to upper angles now?

Possibly. What kind of blood flow promotion are you doing (jelqing, BTB jelqing)?

I think in some instances with Hanging since it's usually reccomended to gain the length and then girth that some guys will see flaccid gains before they see the erect gains, and i have come to think of it as there needs to be more blood to fill the new tissues, but this can't happen without some sort of circulation promotion. I personally saw nearly a .25 gain in girth just from BTB jelqing (which also improved my head size) and about a .25-.5 gain in FSL as well as in erect length gain. I'm getting ever closer to the 7.75 BP mark but I've got to get this t-vein problem solved.

millionman said:

Possibly. What kind of blood flow promotion are you doing (jelqing, BTB jelqing)?

I think in some instances with Hanging since it's usually reccomended to gain the length and then girth that some guys will see flaccid gains before they see the erect gains, and i have come to think of it as there needs to be more blood to fill the new tissues, but this can't happen without some sort of circulation promotion. I personally saw nearly a .25 gain in girth just from BTB jelqing (which also improved my head size) and about a .25-.5 gain in FSL as well as in erect length gain. I'm getting ever closer to the 7.75 BP mark but I've got to get this t-vein problem solved.

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Does this mean that in your opinion you have to jelq to express your lenght gains from hanging,otherwise you will not see any gains?

xflipcydex said:

Hey all, I've been Penis Enlargementing for a few years now, made some gains. Only recently I started hanging. My LOT was about 9, and after about 2 months of hanging (with a bib starter) BTC and SD 1 hour a day, my LOT has dropped to almost 6. My erection angle has gone parallel to the floor, maybe lower. I've noticed SLIGHT BPenis EnlargementL gains, but mostly are flaccid. Huge flaccid gains.

Does anyone think its time to switch to upper angles now?

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I think this is very strange to drop your LOT from 9 to 6 in only two month of hanging.Are you sure that you measured your LOT correctly.

Does anybody else dropped his LOT so fast without seeing gains?

Millionman - The only circulation exercise (girth work) I do is manual clamping. I do it fully erect, and I simply kegal, squeeze at the base with an OK grip, trapping the blood, and then go by feel, sometimes sliding my hand up a little bit to increase pressure. I've noticed considerable girth gains doing this. Sometimes I have red spots from doing this, and when that happens, I give up girth work until they go away, and then once they do, jump right back in. I like manual clamping because I can decide exactly how much pressure I am applying. And because it's usually more intense than a cable clamp, I only hold it for 30 seconds or so.

Dex - I did not say that I havent seen any gains, in fact, quite the opposite is true. BPenis EnlargementL gains have been SLIGHT, at most 1/10th of an inch or so. BUT, my flaccid hang has increased by about 2-3 inches. I used to turtle up all the time, however now, I never see my flaccid go below 5-6 inches.

The reason I'm asking is... First of all, i tried hanging SD, it was uncomfortable and I didnt really feel a good stretch. So I started hanging BTC, with a max of 15 lbs, usually 10 lbs, I could REALLY feel the ligs stretching. After 6 weeks or so of it, I wasn't really feeling anything except the skin around the fat pad stretch anymore, so I switched and gave straight down a try again. This time I could feel a new lig I'd never felt before being stretched. This continued for a few weeks, and now here I am... When I hang straight down now, I can't really feel it in the ligs anymore. Following the pattern, It appears I should increase the angle again, but I would like some advice from experienced hangers.

Just as an experiment, I hung some weight straight down, then keeping my body straight, leaned over on my dresser so I was at 45 degree angle. like so... / = me, I = dresser /I See what I'm saying? Which gave me an almost SO angle, and I felt a pretty nice stretch. This makes me think it might be time to start working on my tunica, and if this is true, isnt SU the most effective angle?

Ok, now I'm getting ahead of myself and asking too many questions. Anyone have some advice?

Millionman and Dex, thank you for the replies

In my opinion at the base of Penis Enlargement is the principle of increasing the volume of blood the penis holds and expansion of the tissues by placing load on certain portions (stretching) but these two things are not separate from each other. If you stretch the penis without increasing the amount of blood in the penis the gains will not be expressed as fully as when some sort of ciculation exercise is employed. By ciculation I'm not really talking about clamping or full blown girth exercises. What I am discussing is the promotion of a greater blood supply into the penis to fill the penis. This can be achieved with the BTB jelq (which I think is the best way to achieve this end) and moderate tempo jelqs.

The primary point is to not necessarily to expand the chambers of the CC and CS for maximum engorgement but to promote a healthy circulatory system in the penis. I think going for max engorgement introduces a different variable into hanging (fluid buildup) and it makes the challenge of hanging much more difficult, and it is easier to lengthen the tissues first, then stretch them laterally onve you've reached your length goals.

Millionman - Ok, I hear what your saying. Add in some BTB jelqs and I might be seeing a whole new set of gains. I'll definately give this a try. I'm so close to my goal of 8x6 and I will not give up until I reach it. With BTB jelqing, I understand the concept of how you start the motion, but are you still sliding your hand all the way up to the glans?

Any advice on the hanging angle too? I read somewhere a quote by Bigger who said if he could do it again, he would concentrate only on the BTC angle. But I'm confused because I've also heard DLD say that the tunica is where the unlimited length gains are, so a SU angle would make sense.

With BTB jelqing you jelq the section of shaft between the bulbs of the penis and the upper shaft. All you do is jelq that section of tissue for a number of reps and that's it, but you can jelq the entire shaft if you feel the need to but I don't think it can be done as one continual stroke, as I've tried and it doesn't transition very well in one stroke, but you could break up the motions and do them in separate sets. Do the BTB jelqs in between your hangig sets.

Your hanger setting may need to be adjusted a bit. The reason I say this is it is quite possible for you to have stressed certain tissues to a point using your current setup, but what if you set your hanger a little further back with a toe in setting? This would cause a different type of stress on a whole other set of tissues, if done properly. The thing about hanging is once you think you've got it a whole other set of issues will arise, and you have to constantly work on your Limiting Factors. Your limiting factors could be your tunica, or it could be a particular cross section of ligs that are tightly bundled together that in yoru current setup don't receive any load from the hanger.

Figure out what your limiting factors are and work on the one that seems to be inhibiting further growth. For me I found that BTC can be made more or less intense by the angle of my pevis, if I'm leaning a bit forward the load would sit on the front section of my shaft, but if I leaned all the way back pushing my pelvis horizontal to the floor then I felt it deep in the attachment point of my ligs. You can try OTL hanging, OTS, SD, SO, Fulcrum hanging, and BTC. Try a few different things, and be sure that you've tested your LOT properly (look for complete loss of tugback) and decide where to go from there.

If you would post up what you decide to do in this thread, and also include what your LOT has tested at this go around.

xflip,

>Any advice on the hanging angle too? I read somewhere a quote by Bigger who said if he could do it again, he would concentrate only on the BTC angle.<

Well, I estimate that I hung SO to BTC for 80% of my hanging time. The rest was at the upper angles, mainly OTS. I did not ever say I would have only concentrated on the BTC angle. It all depends on what is needed, not some arbitrary schedule.

>But I'm confused because I've also heard DLD say that the tunica is where the unlimited length gains are, so a SU angle would make sense.<

The tunica does have unlimited potential. The potential for gains from lig stretch is limited.

As far as you changing angles, you mentioned some things that would tempt me to say yes. But I do not think you have spent enough time at the lower angles yet. If indeed your LOT is about 6, you may not have much potential for further gains from lig stretch. But you should stick with the lower angles in order to cement the gains you have now.

I would stick with the lower angles for at least another month, then evaluate. If no more gains, then switch to the upper angles.

I also agree about the comments on BTB jelqing. You may find that you have already gained more than you think.

Good luck,

Bigger

Bigger,

First off, thank you for responding, and secondly, let me apologize for not quoting you properly. I went back and looked and you did not say you would "only" do BTC, you just said you would concentrate mainly on it, but my quote was wrong and I should have checked before posting it.

I think that I will switch to SU for a few months and see how that goes, although I've tried hanging SU before, and I absolutely HATE the feeling of the intense tunica stretch right behind the balls. Oddly enough, I enjoy the feeling of a lig stretch. Heh, I'm probably weird though.

The main reason for the decision to switch, is I can't feel ANY stretch in my ligs when I'm hanging BTC now, even laying on my back, with my hips elevated a little bit. I checked erection angle too, and it's a good deal lower than parallel... heh... using the LOT clock, its right about 8.

Millionman,

I tried BTB jelqing yesterday in between sets, and I really liked it and can see how effective it might be. I had recently given up clamping and jelqing in exchange for intense manual stretches between hanging sets and for 30-60 minutes afterwards as well. Maybe this is the key to my slowed/stopped gains.

My LOT is definately 6:30 or so right now, and it's been this low for a fairly long time. Like I said above, I'm going to try hanging SU with my Bib Starter, with BTB jelqing in between hanging sets, and manual stretches SO to the left and right when I have the time. Hopefully this will jumpstart my gains again.

For some reason I'm just a little nervous to start hanging SU, it's almost like I don't believe tunica gains can be made. I've been so gung-ho about stretching the ligs, I think I've developed tunica-phobia. LOL. I read the boards everyday, so I'll just continue my research and report any gains, or findings I have made.

Here's a couple more questions before I go to the gym.

1. Has anyone had substantial luck/gains that they can attribute directly to hanging SU?

2. Has anyone tried hanging without weights? For example, for SU, attack a rope to a pullup bar, or something similar, and you constantly control the tension with body position? If you could honestly put effort into the stretch, and not go easy on yourself, it would seem like this would be the best way to stretch, because you could always be stretching as hard as you could handle for that exact moment.

Thanks again for the replies!

Bib said:

I also agree about the comments on BTB jelqing. You may find that you have already gained more than you think.
Bigger

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Do you also think it is necessary to do jelqing(not intense) to express your gains from hanging?
Or in other words, is it possible - even when you are hanging like crazy - not to gain lenght when you are not doing any light form of jelqing?

I cancelled my jelqing 4 weeks ago because it seems that it helps to built up the turkey neck. Jelqing alone was fine in the past, but combined with hanging i do not like it.

Im asking me how can i benefit from jelqing when im hanging btc. When im hanging this way my liqs get stretched, i do not need more blood.
When im hanging ots for tunica i stretch my inner shaft, i cant see why i need more blood to gain.

@bib,
if you think jeqing can express gains, which hanging angle do you think should be more supported by jelqing,the upper or the lower angles?

It's not about the angles that go with jelqing. Jelqing in the sense that I have talked about in this thread is simply to imrove circulation and to open up the arteries. It's a tandem thing, but not to the point where if you don't do the jelqing you won't gain. I personally have found that if I don't do any circulation work then it takes longer for my gains to be expressed in erect gains. That's where I have found jelqing to be beneficial, whether it is BTB between sets, or if I jelq in the evening time.

xflip,

>For some reason I'm just a little nervous to start hanging SU, it's almost like I don't believe tunica gains can be made. I've been so gung-ho about stretching the ligs, I think I've developed tunica-phobia. LOL. I read the boards everyday, so I'll just continue my research and report any gains, or findings I have made.<

The only problem with gains from tunica stretch is applying sufficient force to permanently deform the tunica, and doing it safely. Many guys do not gain from tunica stretch. But what is the reason? The reason is the collagenous tissues that make up the tunica are tough. Also tougher for some than others. But they can be deformed, just like the ligs or any other bodily tissue.

Start out with a normal, straight pull. Then later, you may wish to use a twist while hanging, or fulcrum hanging. Any of these techniques simply divide and conquer, applying force in an uneven manner, stressing different portions of the tunica to a greater degree.

Just be careful.

Dex,

>Do you also think it is necessary to do jelqing(not intense) to express your gains from hanging?
Or in other words, is it possible - even when you are hanging like crazy - not to gain lenght when you are not doing any light form of jelqing?<

For some no. For others, probably. You will need to increase the ability to supply incoming blood to the shaft. For some, this probably happens naturally. For others, light jelqing will help.

>Im asking me how can i benefit from jelqing when im hanging btc. When im hanging this way my liqs get stretched, i do not need more blood.
When im hanging ots for tunica i stretch my inner shaft, i cant see why i need more blood to gain.<

Well, when hanging at even the lower angles, at least the outer tunica is stressed. So jelqing will help from that standpoint. But you are correct. Light jelqing is probably more beneficial when hanging at the upper angles.


Bigger

@bib

How did you handle the jelqing issue. I know, because you were talking about it here in this forum, that you did btb jelqing during your 10 min breaks to get back full circulation.
But what did you do after your hanging sessions?
Did you do normal jelqing(without much pressure)?
If yes, for how many minutes?

Bib said:

For some no. For others, probably. You will need to increase the ability to supply incoming blood to the shaft. For some, this probably happens naturally. For others, light jelqing will help.
Bigger

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Is milking also an exercise for increasing the incoming blood to the shaft,or is this more for girth work?
I heard you were doing the milking exercise very often.

dex,

>But what did you do after your hanging sessions?<

Light jelqing for 10-30 minutes. The time is just a guess.

>Did you do normal jelqing(without much pressure)?<

Yes.

>Is milking also an exercise for increasing the incoming blood to the shaft,or is this more for girth work? I heard you were doing the milking exercise very often.<

Milking is what jelqing used to be called. Same thing.

Bigger