Can (ligament) stretching effect erect angle?

sordidaffair · Jan 3, 2019

DLD said:
From my first read through lot theory I knew it was incorrect as I was complete and absolute outlier. Being off that much made lot theory simply unbelievable for me. And then to go on and prove it to myself I gained two additional inches with all downward stretching. My erection angle today is about 10° better than it was when I started. So lot theory to me is a whole lot of bullshit

Yes you were right back then. LOT theory is completely incorrect, its only a muscle-ligament connection and has nothing to do with gains. If someone have trained kegels for years, he can feel the pull-back in every direction due to the strong pelvic muscles.

Your choice back then to focus only in downward stretching was gold and it shows your understanding about PE. When it comes to penis stretching (manual, hanging, extender) the downward angle will always be the more effective because of how the tunica is build. The part of the tunica that we want to lengthen is the dorsal and thats from where the length gains come from, because thats where the Corpora cavernosa bodies are. The ventral side of the penis is more elastic and "it houses the corpus spongiosum, lacks outer bundles". Anatomy and strength of the tunica albuginea: its relevance to penile prosthesis extrusion. - PubMed - NCBI

So the direction that target the dorsal side better its definitely the downward. That does not mean that someone cant gain with upward stretches, but they are way less effective in my opinion.

DLD · Jan 3, 2019

sordidaffair said:
Yes you were right back then. LOT theory is completely incorrect, its only a muscle-ligament connection and has nothing to do with gains. If someone have trained kegels for years, he can feel the pull-back in every direction due to the strong pelvic muscles.

Your choice back then to focus only in downward stretching was gold and it shows your perfect understanding about PE. When it comes to penis stretching (manual, hanging, extender) the downward angle will always be the more effective because of how the tunica is build. The part of the tunica that we want to lengthen is the dorsal amd thats from where the length gains come from, because thats where are the Corpora cavernosa bodies. The ventral side of the penis is more elastic and "it houses the corpus spongiosum, lacks outer bundles". Anatomy and strength of the tunica albuginea: its relevance to penile prosthesis extrusion. - PubMed - NCBI

So the direction that target the dorsal side better its definitely the downward. That does not mean that someone cant gain with upward stretches, but they are way less effective in my opinion.

Upward stretches can only be done with the Lankes master to be effective. Our hands will never be strong enough to stretch upward to make a difference so the LM gives that extra intensity necessary to stretch upward and actually affect the Tunica, which is what you’ll be affecting when stretching upward.

Another way to avoid stress and up word but still being able to gain in Tunica length is simply by doing bundled stretches.

FullBloodArab · Jan 3, 2019

I think the LM or a manual grip at the midshaft won't create this problem

But grip at the base and stretching the ligs are more involved it seems

A problem for me for you not (fireboner) because you want it to fall ☺ but my angle is a problem when falling.

(I'm talking about flaccid stretching buy the way)

I hope a "horizontal guy" comes and tell us what happened with his.

Dld already said it won't.

more guys please!! ☺

DLD · Jan 3, 2019

We need more people in the conversation!

FireBoner · Jan 3, 2019

I have a question for you FBA :
Are you sure high erection angle is genetic ?

Because I think it is my fault if I got one...Let me explain myself :
As far as I can remember I've always kept my flacid penis upward(toching the belly)
-when I slept
-even while wearing underwear ( don't ask me why I've always find it more confortable when I was a child)

And I believe all those years in this position built up to the erection angle I got today because I grew with this position
(I don't do all the things said upward anymore since 3 years only)

FullBloodArab · Jan 3, 2019

sordidaffair said:
Yes you were right back then. LOT theory is completely incorrect, its only a muscle-ligament connection and has nothing to do with gains. If someone have trained kegels for years, he can feel the pull-back in every direction due to the strong pelvic muscles.

Your choice back then to focus only in downward stretching was gold and it shows your understanding about PE. When it comes to penis stretching (manual, hanging, extender) the downward angle will always be the more effective because of how the tunica is build. The part of the tunica that we want to lengthen is the dorsal and thats from where the length gains come from, because thats where the Corpora cavernosa bodies are. The ventral side of the penis is more elastic and "it houses the corpus spongiosum, lacks outer bundles". Anatomy and strength of the tunica albuginea: its relevance to penile prosthesis extrusion. - PubMed - NCBI

So the direction that target the dorsal side better its definitely the downward. That does not mean that someone cant gain with upward stretches, but they are way less effective in my opinion.

But what's your opinion on exercises that do get gains from the ligaments?

I my opinion I want to get gains from whats inside the whole tunica fascia and the albuginea and the blood chambers just stretching ANYTHING comes in my way ☺ every gain possible. And also girth wise.

See picture that I want to stretch the hell out of the 5 in the picture til plateau (or till gains are to slow)

And then I always thought I have to get some gains out of the ligaments to with stretching them so that the penis comes more visible and get another inch.

But I get worried when I start reading and in my mind the angle will drop. I prefer then to not get that inch.

So what exercises target the ligs? I myself think the stretching expecially the base grip flaccid exercises.

I don't mean stretching for fun or not often. Nothing will drop off course

I've always said 'one year hardcore stretching' because im from the hardcore targeting the penis without grace. I'm very mean to my penis not gentle. And that is what everybody should do.I'm now extending 2800g 5 hours a day. No fun I can tell you that.

Not pain but nearly pain is what should occur when doing PE.

So I need the hardcore PE folks that do their thing right, and daily.

Because I'm going for the ligs at a moment with hardcore style.

Because now I first want to 'destroy' the 5 in the picture with all sort of PE.

LIGIMANTS HERE I COME!!! ☺

But not yet

DLD · Jan 3, 2019

Oh boy, now it is on! Action! Popcorn ready ?

FullBloodArab · Jan 3, 2019

FireBoner said:
I have a question for you FBA :
Are you sure high erection angle is genetic ?

Because I think it is my fault if I got one...Let me explain myself :
As far as I can remember I've always kept my flacid penis upward(toching the belly)
-when I slept
-even while wearing underwear ( don't ask me why I've always find it more confortable when I was a child)

And I believe all those years in this position built up to the erection angle I got today because I grew with this position
(I don't do all the things said upward anymore since 3 years only)

As for if it is genetic:
I've had a friend that said he had that kind of boner from young age and always was so.

As for your upward pointing:

In the same article (i will post it for you) the person that had his penis erecting downwards and corrected to horizontally. The surgeons told him to wear tight underwear and point his penis upwards as often as he could.

I don't no anyway if that helped his angle I think the operation did the most work of course. But hey they told him ☺

FullBloodArab · Jan 3, 2019

FireBoner said:
I have a question for you FBA :
Are you sure high erection angle is genetic ?

Because I think it is my fault if I got one...Let me explain myself :
As far as I can remember I've always kept my flacid penis upward(toching the belly)
-when I slept
-even while wearing underwear ( don't ask me why I've always find it more confortable when I was a child)

And I believe all those years in this position built up to the erection angle I got today because I grew with this position
(I don't do all the things said upward anymore since 3 years only)

Here it is brother

I see it just says for 4 weeks. Maybe it has to do with the repair and healing, or maybe helping with the angle I dont know
Don't do the operation please he has a scar as large as his dick hahaha you dint want to see that picture ☺

Just try the base stretch

FullBloodArab · Jan 3, 2019

FireBoner said:
I have a question for you FBA :
Are you sure high erection angle is genetic ?

Because I think it is my fault if I got one...Let me explain myself :
As far as I can remember I've always kept my flacid penis upward(toching the belly)
-when I slept
-even while wearing underwear ( don't ask me why I've always find it more confortable when I was a child)

And I believe all those years in this position built up to the erection angle I got today because I grew with this position
(I don't do all the things said upward anymore since 3 years only)

And I do sleep with penis upward I sleep on my belly (half a belly that is not exactly flattened)

But wearing it upward in underwear also that's some hardcore dedication right there ☺. It could be that.

There's now way mankind will find that out hahaha as an experiment they ask people to wear upwards for 20 years hahahaha

So no one knows bro

FullBloodArab · Jan 3, 2019

I guess if I can't get good info I just target the ligament at a moment in PE.

And i just will pay good attention and measure the angle every two weeks if it drops

You guys ever saw measurements with a level?

Well you soon will ☺

THANK YOU GUYS FOR THINKING WITH ME
I appreciate your time and sorry for me bad English I'm Dutch

FireBoner · Jan 3, 2019

FullBloodArab said:
Here it is brother

I see it just says for 4 weeks. Maybe it has to do with the repair and healing, or maybe helping with the angle I dont know
Don't do the operation please he has a scar as large as his dick hahaha you dint want to see that picture ☺

Just try the base stretch

Thx for the screenshot !

sordidaffair · Jan 4, 2019

FullBloodArab said:
But what's your opinion on exercises that do get gains from the ligaments?

I my opinion I want to get gains from whats inside the whole tunica fascia and the albuginea and the blood chambers just stretching ANYTHING comes in my way ☺ every gain possible. And also girth wise.

See picture that I want to stretch the hell out of the 5 in the picture til plateau (or till gains are to slow)

And then I always thought I have to get some gains out of the ligaments to with stretching them so that the penis comes more visible and get another inch.

But I get worried when I start reading and in my mind the angle will drop. I prefer then to not get that inch.

So what exercises target the ligs? I myself think the stretching expecially the base grip flaccid exercises.

I don't mean stretching for fun or not often. Nothing will drop off course

I've always said 'one year hardcore stretching' because im from the hardcore targeting the penis without grace. I'm very mean to my penis not gentle. And that is what everybody should do.I'm now extending 2800g 5 hours a day. No fun I can tell you that.

Not pain but nearly pain is what should occur when doing PE.

So I need the hardcore PE folks that do their thing right, and daily.

Because I'm going for the ligs at a moment with hardcore style.

Because now I first want to 'destroy' the 5 in the picture with all sort of PE.

LIGIMANTS HERE I COME!!! ☺

But not yet

I know that many people will disagree with me and i dont want to come across as a smartass, i just express my opinion.

I believe that the reason why our erection angle has not change its because the ligaments gains are not erect gains. A bigger erection means simply a bigger tunica. I think that ligaments gains can only add half an inch to your flaccid hang. My flaccid hangs lower after all this stretching. Maybe to some people ligaments gains can change their erection angle and their exit point a little, but generally gains from ligaments are overrated. For example you will never gain 1 inch only from ligs gains, these type of gains are due to a longer tunica.

FullBloodArab · Jan 4, 2019

sordidaffair said:
I know that many people will disagree with me and i dont want to come across as a smartass, i just express my opinion.

I believe that the reason why our erection angle has not change its because the ligaments gains are not erect gains. A bigger erection means simply a bigger tunica. I think that ligaments gains can only add half an inch to your flaccid hang. My flaccid hangs lower after all this stretching. Maybe to some people ligaments gains can change their erection angle and their exit point a little, but generally gains from ligaments are overrated. For example you will never gain 1 inch only from ligs gains, these type of gains are due to a longer tunica.

Oké

You said 'our'. Are you of those that did the hardcore stretching for a year minimum? (Let's say 1,5 or 2h a day)

sordidaffair · Jan 4, 2019

FullBloodArab said:
Oké

You said 'our'. Are you of those that did the hardcore stretching for a year minimum? (Let's say 1,5 or 2h a day)

At first i stretched for 20-30 mins max every day and i made amazing newbie gains. I gained my first inch in 6 months and then gains become slower. My starting size was 6.5 bpel and i hit a plateau at 7.5 bpel. Then i increased the total stretching time every day to 60-80 mins. My goal was to reach 5 hours or more under stretching tension every week. I dont pull very hard, i keep the force moderate but I can hold every stretch for 5 up to 10 mins. Now i am 7.9 bpel and i have gained 1.4 inch in 18 months.

FullBloodArab · Jan 4, 2019

sordidaffair said:
At first i stretched for 20-30 mins max every day and i made amazing newbie gains. I gained my first inch in 6 months and then gains become slower. My starting size was 6.5 bpel and i hit a plateau at 7.5 bpel. Then i increased the total stretching time every day to 60-80 mins. My goal was to reach 5 hours or more under stretching tension every week. I dont pull very hard, i keep the force moderate but I can hold every stretch for 5 up to 10 mins. Now i am 7.9 bpel and i have gained 1.4 inch in 18 months.

Only manual stretch caused 2,5inch in 2 years that's fantastic man!

How old are you and did the stretching grib occurred mostly at half shaft or base or at the glans?

sordidaffair · Jan 4, 2019

FullBloodArab said:
Only manual stretch caused 2,5inch in 2 years that's fantastic man!

How old are you and did the stretching grib occurred mostly at half shaft or base or at the glans?

Not 2.5 inches, 1.4 inch gain so far. I went from 6.5 to 7.9 bpel.

I am in my mid-twenties. I grip at the glans, thats the more efficient way to stretch the whole shaft and the tension is transferred better.

FullBloodArab · Jan 4, 2019

sordidaffair said:
Not 2.5 inches, 1.4 inch gain so far. I went from 6.5 to 7.9 bpel.

I am in my mid-twenties. I grip at the glans, thats the more efficient way to stretch the whole shaft and the tension is transferred better.

Sorry i did read it wrong.

So 1inch the first 6months and 0.4inch 12 months after that.

I did the base grib flaccid stretch downwards just now and I felt that if you grab the base there is non force on the tunica. The tunica stays 'flaccid' no force and the tunics won't create (micro)damage

With my other hand I felt the tunica and grabbed the tunica with my 2 fingers.

But all the force is created in the surrounding of the pubic bone and skin etc in that area.

Also if you grab at the base flaccid (I did it again right now) the grib is going towards the glans and piles up the skin to the glans.

If you grib your glans and stretch immediately you can feel it in the tunica

So where did the gains come from if the base grib downwards stretch isn't effecting the tunica. (I did it again just now) no tunics involvement.

Your tunica gets involved? My not what's going on

stillwantmore · Jan 4, 2019

FullBloodArab said:
Well I think you're totally not helpfull for the PE world. You did your thing and stuff but never encouraged others and never posted your progress and exercises. And now you here saying you've gained 1.5inch from stretching.

It's your choice of course, but I don't pay attention to guys like you when I look for answers

Please don't be condescending to someone offering their feedback just because it doesn't suit you.

stillwantmore · Jan 4, 2019

I have done all of my weight hanging so far with only downward angles. With a 2 inch length gain and no lowering of erection angle.

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