Sorry to Say, but Taller Guys Have It Hard In the Weight Room..

keepingitbig · May 19, 2011

REDZULU2003;432321 said:
Good idea to save excessive baggage (exercises you dont need because more isnt best). Good the seated calve raises doing well for you but I would strongly suggest you don't do so many exercises for the same muscle group like the calves. Stick to one or two and hit it heavy and with intensity.

Agree. I'm still learning this stuff. Also, the standing calf raise doesn't give the best contraction and pump as the seated calf raise. I remember putting 80 on that and doing 4 sets of 8 to 12 with a long contraction at the end. I took away the angled leg press seeing that the Barbell Squat will be better. I do it barefooted too as I heard it's much better on the quads and leg muscles.

One more question. Would it be bad to do bodyweight exercises like chin-ups on cardio days? I want to perfect my chin-up and wide-grip. I only do 3 to 4 days of training, with 2 days rest. HIIT 2 times a week of course.

shr0om_7 · May 19, 2011

REDZULU2003;432318 said:
I find the seated pointless tbh with you mate, dont know why but always didnt feel right for me. Good position to hit the Soleus muscle though, if you really wanted to isolate it that is. Some guys dig it so go with it. Forgot to mention about Donkey calve raises, those and standing calve raises for me are the shitz.

Ah, interesting. It always intrigues me when a certain exercise works great for one person and doesn't do much for another. I can safely say I could go throughout life happy without having to do donkey calf raises.

Yes Deadlifts are great but I dont incl them on a leg workout. I just have those on the back days but now I work the entire body in one got with various routines.

Well, I wasn't talking about the "deadlift" but the variations of the deadlift (SDL's / RDL's) which target your hammys/glutes more so than your back.

shr0om_7 · May 19, 2011

REDZULU2003;432321 said:
Good idea to save excessive baggage (exercises you dont need because more isnt best). Good the seated calve raises doing well for you but I would strongly suggest you don't do so many exercises for the same muscle group like the calves. Stick to one or two and hit it heavy and with intensity.

I would agree with this for the majority of exercises EXCEPT with calves. Your calves are extremely dense muscles and for the common person are very difficult to build.

keepingitbig;432397 said:
Agree. I'm still learning this stuff. Also, the standing calf raise doesn't give the best contraction and pump as the seated calf raise. I remember putting 80 on that and doing 4 sets of 8 to 12 with a long contraction at the end. I took away the angled leg press seeing that the Barbell Squat will be better. I do it barefooted too as I heard it's much better on the quads and leg muscles.

I found that for myself and others weight/volume work perfectly to build calves. If you find your calves lacking you might want to up the volume/intensity working them. I hit calves twice a week with ample "recovery" time before I hit them again on leg day.
Just my .02.

You are 1000% correct, squatting barefoot is the best way to squat. It's natural and allows you to balance yourself better. Plus, unless you have shoes that are designed for weight lifting, your shoes will compress and won't allow your feet to work properly. I will not squat with shoes on, but with socks instead.

One more question. Would it be bad to do bodyweight exercises like chin-ups on cardio days? I want to perfect my chin-up and wide-grip. I only do 3 to 4 days of training, with 2 days rest. HIIT 2 times a week of course.

I don't think it's ever bad to do body weight exercises. Whether it's your xx day, off day, or cardio day I can only see body weight exercises as being beneficial. If you want your chins to improve, perform them.
I would even say doing chins/pull-ups/pushups daily will not hinder anything.

keepingitbig · May 19, 2011

shr0om_7;432431 said:
I would agree with this for the majority of exercises EXCEPT with calves. Your calves are extremely dense muscles and for the common person are very difficult to build.

I found that for myself and others weight/volume work perfectly to build calves. If you find your calves lacking you might want to up the volume/intensity working them. I hit calves twice a week with ample "recovery" time before I hit them again on leg day.
Just my .02.

You are 1000% correct, squatting barefoot is the best way to squat. It's natural and allows you to balance yourself better. Plus, unless you have shoes that are designed for weight lifting, your shoes will compress and won't allow your feet to work properly. I will not squat with shoes on, but with socks instead.

I don't think it's ever bad to do body weight exercises. Whether it's your xx day, off day, or cardio day I can only see body weight exercises as being beneficial. If you want your chins to improve, perform them.
I would even say doing chins/pull-ups/pushups daily will not hinder anything.

Thanks! Yes, I do them on workout days after every two sets. This is some good information. Learning alot here.

shr0om_7 · May 19, 2011

keepingitbig;432444 said:
Thanks! Yes, I do them on workout days after every two sets. This is some good information. Learning alot here.

I always finish off working a muscle group with the body weight exercise for that group. Always.

I know you said improving chins, but check out this site > http://twentypullups.com/ (I am sure you can do chins instead of pullups). That program will help you dramatically, if you stick with it. IMO.

DLD · May 19, 2011

shr0om_7;432448 said:
I always finish off working a muscle group with the body weight exercise for that group. Always.

I know you said improving chins, but check out this site > http://twentypullups.com/ (I am sure you can do chins instead of pullups). That program will help you dramatically, if you stick with it. IMO.

I am not sure I can do 1, never have been able to even when I was training.

REDZULU2003 · May 19, 2011

Keepingitbig, sounds like your really aware of this stuff and going about it the right way by asking questions but do whats right for you mate. Its important is you train with your brain and not be sweeped up by much of the crap thats touted in fitness magazines nowadays along with supplements. Not saying you are but its easy to believe the hype. See the fitness industry as the government or the Masons which have a hidden agenda. Always think how you can make training more productive and be CAREFUL about taking advice from other gym rats.

REDZULU2003 · May 19, 2011

shr0om_7;432431 said:
I would agree with this for the majority of exercises EXCEPT with calves. Your calves are extremely dense muscles and for the common person are very difficult to build.

Very difficult to build because they are so used to your own bodyweight and walking eachday. I found very heavy intense training worked the best. You really have to push the calves hard. Use really heavy weight and is why standing calve raises worked well for me. Its my bodyweight plus weight on the bar. Each to their own though and everyone is an expert right!

keepingitbig · May 19, 2011

REDZULU2003;432470 said:
Keepingitbig, sounds like your really aware of this stuff and going about it the right way by asking questions but do whats right for you mate. Its important is you train with your brain and not be sweeped up by much of the crap thats touted in fitness magazines nowadays along with supplements. Not saying you are but its easy to believe the hype. See the fitness industry as the government or the Masons which have a hidden agenda. Always think how you can make training more productive and be CAREFUL about taking advice from other gym rats.

True. The only supplements I take is: whey, creatine and a pre-workout supplement. That's about it. Man, today a Personal Trainer was trying to do ass to grass squats and did the same thing I did, Instead he didn't have a bench under. Guess we all make mistakes. Not suffering any pain like yesterday, but man was that crazy, lol. I try not to overtrain, and stay in a time-frame of 45 to an hour+. Unless I have a friend with me.

REDZULU2003 · May 19, 2011

At least you have your head screwed on. Some guys in the gym are just so full of it and wont be informed of anything. They get aggressive and confrontational when you explain something good to them

I had a guy lecture me once because I was doing partials. He was obsessed with it having to be full range or else it didn't work and in the end he was aggressive to me physically and I had to take action ... needless to say I learned that many gyms are full of ego maniacs pumped mostly to the gills on juice who are wild like horses. I find it much more rewarding in my homebuilt gym now, not to mention its cheaper.

shr0om_7 · May 19, 2011

REDZULU2003;432471 said:
Very difficult to build because they are so used to your own bodyweight and walking eachday. I found very heavy intense training worked the best. You really have to push the calves hard. Use really heavy weight and is why standing calve raises worked well for me. Its my bodyweight plus weight on the bar. Each to their own though and everyone is an expert right!

That is basically what I said. ?

shr0om_7 · May 19, 2011

keepingitbig;432484 said:
True. The only supplements I take is: whey, creatine and a pre-workout supplement. That's about it. Man, today a Personal Trainer was trying to do ass to grass squats and did the same thing I did, Instead he didn't have a bench under. Guess we all make mistakes. Not suffering any pain like yesterday, but man was that crazy, lol. I try not to overtrain, and stay in a time-frame of 45 to an hour+. Unless I have a friend with me.

You need to incorporate a multi-vitamin as well. I recommend Life Force.

Safety is the #1 most important aspect of the gym. If you injure yourself you can not train.

It is always funny to see a PT stumble.

I don't believe setting a time frame on your workouts as you will finish when you do. Regardless if it's over or under.

What is your diet like? Do you have a macro break down or eat whatever you want?

shr0om_7 · May 19, 2011

doublelongdaddy;432455 said:
I am not sure I can do 1, never have been able to even when I was training.

You srs DLD? Lol. Get on the program and report back!

keepingitbig · May 20, 2011

shr0om_7;432614 said:
You need to incorporate a multi-vitamin as well. I recommend Life Force.

Safety is the #1 most important aspect of the gym. If you injure yourself you can not train.
It is always funny to see a PT stumble.

I don't believe setting a time frame on your workouts as you will finish when you do. Regardless if it's over or under.

What is your diet like? Do you have a macro break down or eat whatever you want?

I eat about 4 to 5 daily. I try to get the last six, but I'm pretty much sleep by then. My diet consist of: Meats, chicken, eggs, organic milk, etc etc. Alot of the stuff any bodybuilder would eat if they're consistent with training.

REDZULU2003 · May 20, 2011

Great little book for around $10 if you've not got it now than buy it already ... called Nutrient Timing and it explains how nutrition timing is way more vital than how much you consume. Studies galore for the purists and done by PHDs but used by sports professionals cited inside. I have used it since 2008 and never looked back! http://www.amazon.com/Nutrient-Timing-Future-Sports-Nutrition/dp/1591201411

shr0om_7 · May 20, 2011

keepingitbig;432668 said:
I eat about 4 to 5 daily. I try to get the last six, but I'm pretty much sleep by then. My diet consist of: Meats, chicken, eggs, organic milk, etc etc. Alot of the stuff any bodybuilder would eat if they're consistent with training.

Meal frequency is irrelevant for the most part. Eating 5-6 meals a day has no advantages over eating 3 meals per day, diet wise.

shr0om_7 · May 20, 2011

REDZULU2003;432686 said:
Great little book for around $10 if you've not got it now than buy it already ... called Nutrient Timing and it explains how nutrition timing is way more vital than how much you consume. Studies galore for the purists and done by PHDs but used by sports professionals cited inside. I have used it since 2008 and never looked back! http://www.amazon.com/Nutrient-Timing-Future-Sports-Nutrition/dp/1591201411

Eh, nutrient timing is irrelevant.

Before I catch shit about "meal frequency is irrevelant" I'll link a study.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=879792

Firstly, meal digestion takes many hours during which glucose, amino acids, fatty acids, and glycerol are being delivered into your bloodstream.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/w8712615714k8150/

Since you have the book RED, can you try to answer this question. Since nutrient timing is so 'important' than why do people who utilize intermittent fasting have great success?

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

Macros are what matters. If you hit your macros, macros, macros. Meal frequency, sources of said meals, and the time at which you ate said meals is irrelevant.

"I think nutrient timing is important too. Get your macros down your facehole at some point within the time you wake to the time you sleep, and time your meals so that they maximize & do not hinder performance - which again, will vary with individual goals, preference, and tolerance.

Here's what you're not seeming to grasp: the "windows" for taking advantage of nutrient timing are not little peepholes. They're more like bay windows of a mansion. You're ignoring just how long the anabolic effects are of a typical mixed meal. Depending on the size of a meal, it takes a good 1-2 hours for circulating substrate levels to peak, and it takes a good 3-6 hours (or more) for everythng to drop back down to baseline.

You're also ignoring the fact that the anabolic effects of a meal are maxed out at much lower levels than typical meals drive insulin & amino acids up to. Furthermore, you're also ignoring the body's ability of anabolic (& fat-oxidative) supercompensation when forced to work in the absence of fuels. So, metaphorically speaking, our physiology basically has the universe mapped out and you're thinking it needs to be taught addition & subtraction."

REDZULU2003 · May 20, 2011

I'm just advising the guy a good book I have about the subject and its full of studies to back it up. I found it works well for me and others who use it incl many NFL teams. I'm not arguing about other methods or saying its better either. Guess the guys who wrote it, who are PHDs in that field are full of shit than

The focus on the book if you read it is more around before, during and after a workout plus 2-4 hours after a session. It doesn't go into depth on diets as such but the timing on the periods I just mentioned.

Its not a diet as such, it doesn't go into diets. Its a delivery system it discusses about it and makes perfect sense backed up from studies. I aint arguing with you on it.

shr0om_7 · May 20, 2011

REDZULU2003;432700 said:
I'm just advising the guy a good book I have about the subject and its full of studies to back it up. I found it works well for me and others who use it incl many NFL teams. I'm not arguing about other methods or saying its better either. Guess the guys who wrote it, who are PHDs in that field are full of shit than

The focus on the book if you read it is more around before, during and after a workout plus 2-4 hours after a session. It doesn't go into depth on diets as such but the timing on the periods I just mentioned.

Its not a diet as such, it doesn't go into diets. Its a delivery system it discusses about it and makes perfect sense backed up from studies. I aint arguing with you on it.

Since I'm not going to buy the book, do you have the name of the studies provided or the names of the people with the "PHDs"?

REDZULU2003 · May 20, 2011

Are you kidding? 100's of studies in it. Just check the link in this thread and you will find the two PHD writers (Look who the AUTHORS are) but than you will look them up right

and see a connection with a supplement company perhaps and claim bias to the book in how its written with the approach it has? Than post it all here

Really Dont bother.

Surely you know how important it is to supplement correctly before, during and after a workout right? That book just goes through all that motion in allot of detail. Its not reinventing the wheel but goes through it all in easy steps do anyone really can digest it all and make sense to it.

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