Sorry to Say, but Taller Guys Have It Hard In the Weight Room..

keepingitbig · May 17, 2011

My Leg Routine. I do Leg/Shoulder day tomorrow.

LEgs:

10 Minute Warm-up.

Barbell Squats: 5 Sets of 5 reps, with last set the heaviest.
Angled Leg Press ( I use to do it, but I heard from someone that squats is enough to hit all of it. Is it true? Or am I just overworking the muscle too much ?) 5 sets of 5 reps.

Leg Extension: 3 to 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Seated Calf Raises: 2 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Standing Calf Raises: 2 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Angled Leg PRess Calf Raises: 2 sets of 6 to 8 reps.

shr0om_7 · May 17, 2011

REDZULU2003;432081 said:
Found this study discussed http://velocity.t-nation.com/free_o...ition_supplements/latest_creatine_controversy and I take it as I find it like many studies nowadays on supplements. This study was a replica of stomach conditions and as such cant be taken as exact fact .. its just another study and is for the reader to take out of it what they like. Its not black and white that CEE is worse than the norm.

I agree.

shr0om_7 · May 17, 2011

REDZULU2003;432082 said:
BETTER study and shows it more clearly from a more established group. If CEE was tweaked so that it could pass through better it would yield more than it does now.

CEE = a joke.

REDZULU2003 · May 17, 2011

Looks like I'll have to bin my stash

I'll use it up as times are hard

Creatine standard is cheaper aswell! I remember trying another creatine but cant remember the name. It was the so called next thing and the one up from CEE, meant to taste better. Well I think its shit.

shr0om_7 · May 17, 2011

keepingitbig;432084 said:
My Leg Routine. I do Leg/Shoulder day tomorrow.

LEgs:

10 Minute Warm-up.

Barbell Squats: 5 Sets of 5 reps, with last set the heaviest.
Angled Leg Press ( I use to do it, but I heard from someone that squats is enough to hit all of it. Is it true? Or am I just overworking the muscle too much ?) 5 sets of 5 reps.

Leg Extension: 3 to 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Seated Calf Raises: 2 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Standing Calf Raises: 2 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Angled Leg PRess Calf Raises: 2 sets of 6 to 8 reps.

Even though you have a ten minute warm-up via jogging, jump rope, jumping jacks, etc you will still need to warm up before you squat.

Set 1: Extremely + light 10-15 reps with ~60 sec rest
Set 2: 55-60% of your work set + 8 reps with ~60 sec rest
Set 3: 70-75% of your work set + 5 reps with ~60 sec rest
Set 4: 80-85% of your work set + 3 reps with rest for 1-4 minutes

Your rest times can be tweaked to how you lift/train and according to how you feel.

I would choose Squats over Leg Presses any day of the week. I would agree that both of them together, in the same day is too much (especially if you're hitting them with a heavy 5x5 routine) and Yes, Squatting is enough leg work because they hit the quads, calves, hamstrings, glutes, hip flexors, abductors, adductors, back, abs/transverse abdominis.

Other than that, it looks good. I would add in lunges if you have a "make-up" day.

shr0om_7 · May 17, 2011

REDZULU2003;432088 said:
Looks like I'll have to bin my stash I'll use it up as times are hard Creatine standard is cheaper aswell! I remember trying another creatine but cant remember the name. It was the so called next thing and the one up from CEE, meant to taste better. Well I think its shit.

Lol. I mean, might as well use it if you bought it, but the flip side is it's not going to do much of anything. :/
CM is the way to go, hands down. Supplement companies bag people left and right. I was there once and sometimes find myself falling for gimmicks. Haha.

Oh, could the creatine you're speaking of reside on this list?

The Creatine Graveyard List:

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE)
creatine pyruvate
creatine taurinate
creatine ethyl ester malate
creatine ethyl carbonate ester
creatine gluconate
creatine malate
dicreatine malate
tricreatine malate
creatine citrate
tricreatine citrate
Kre-Alkalyn
creatine phosphate
creatine alpha-ketoglutarate
creatine-6,8-thioctic Acid-ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium (CREAKIC)
creatine pyroglutamate
“conjugated creatine” (Con-Cret)
magnesium creatine chelate
creatine anhydrous
dicreatine orotate
tricreatine orotate
creatine alpha-amino butyrate
creatine HydromaxB
“titrated creatine”
“creatine serum”
“liquid creatine”

REDZULU2003 · May 17, 2011

keepingitbig;432084 said:
My Leg Routine. I do Leg/Shoulder day tomorrow.

LEgs:

10 Minute Warm-up.

Barbell Squats: 5 Sets of 5 reps, with last set the heaviest.
Angled Leg Press ( I use to do it, but I heard from someone that squats is enough to hit all of it. Is it true? Or am I just overworking the muscle too much ?) 5 sets of 5 reps.

Leg Extension: 3 to 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Seated Calf Raises: 2 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Standing Calf Raises: 2 sets of 8 to 12 reps.
Angled Leg PRess Calf Raises: 2 sets of 6 to 8 reps.

You dont need to do Angle leg press but its a good exercise to use and high poundage can be totted up. The standard squat, frontal squats and even Hack squats can be used instead. I dont have a leg press machine in my home gym and so have used other methods where it was advised and its not been a problem for me.

For me personally I think they are more for guys who want to go with higher poundages, not that its bad as we want to use more weight with progression but the squat has always been king for building big legs. Frontal squats are also often missed and if you get chance look at the Sissy Squat by Vince Gironda which is pretty difficult to do.

Your leg routine does look good but I would remove the anled leg press calf raises and seated calf raises. Do standing calf raises on the block with HEAVY poundage either via the machines, smith or squat rack and you will see changes in the muscle.

If you can manage a HIT session one time than do it with standing calve raises and you see what I mean. My calves are large, good genetics I admit but I always trained them hard as fuck on the standing rasies with pauses at the contracted point really hard and feel the burn ... work past the burn and dont stop till you cannot contract anymore.

Lastly hamstrings, you should add Leg Curls or do Hack Squats.

shr0om_7 · May 17, 2011

REDZULU2003;432092 said:
For me personally I think they are more for guys who want to go with higher poundages, not that its bad as we want to use more weight with progression but the squat has always been king for building big legs. Frontal squats are also often missed.

ding ding ding. I've seen people leg press over 800lbs, but couldn't squat 265lbs for 8 reps.

Your leg routine does look good but I would remove the anled leg press calf raises and seated calf raises. Do standing calf raises on the block with HEAVY poundage either via the machines, smith or squat rack and you will see changes in the muscle.[/quoted]

Why remove the seated? Only because of standing on a block/plate to increase ROM? Instead of doing 2 sets of seated/2 sets of standing you should focus on one exercise and alternate between seated/standing every 6-12 weeks.

Lastly hamstrings, you should add Leg Curls or do Hack Squats.

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Leg curls for hammys is good. Also check out Stiff Legged Dealift (SDL's) or Romanian Deadlift (RDL's).
If you want to active stretch = BB walking Lunges.

keepingitbig · May 17, 2011

REDZULU2003;432092 said:
You dont need to do Angle leg press but its a good exercise to use and high poundage can be totted up. The standard squat, frontal squats and even Hack squats can be used instead. I dont have a leg press machine in my home gym and so have used other methods where it was advised and its not been a problem for me.

For me personally I think they are more for guys who want to go with higher poundages, not that its bad as we want to use more weight with progression but the squat has always been king for building big legs. Frontal squats are also often missed and if you get chance look at the Sissy Squat by Vince Gironda which is pretty difficult to do.

Your leg routine does look good but I would remove the anled leg press calf raises and seated calf raises. Do standing calf raises on the block with HEAVY poundage either via the machines, smith or squat rack and you will see changes in the muscle.

If you can manage a HIT session one time than do it with standing calve raises and you see what I mean. My calves are large, good genetics I admit but I always trained them hard as fuck on the standing rasies with pauses at the contracted point really hard and feel the burn ... work past the burn and dont stop till you cannot contract anymore.

Lastly hamstrings, you should add Leg Curls or do Hack Squats.

I do squat variations to hit my hamstrings ( Going from wide to close stance for the hamstrings ), so I don't think I need leg curls. I really don't see the use for them anyway. I do seated calf raises, because they've been doing well for me lately.

shr0om_7 · May 17, 2011

keepingitbig;432097 said:
I do squat variations to hit my hamstrings ( Going from wide to close stance for the hamstrings ), so I don't think I need leg curls. I really don't see the use for them anyway. I do seated calf raises, because they've been doing well for me lately.

I don't think you can overtrain ze hammys. Just sayin'.

youmjutt · May 18, 2011

going to tell my t-shirt designer to make me shirts with photos of these busty score chicks.

motoxmuscle · May 18, 2011

Here's just a quick thought, as I have a few tall friends. 6'5" 6'7", they started some crossfit training. They were having a tough time with a lot of gym equipment and weren't getting the kind of workout they wanted. One of them has cut his workouts to 2-3 a week for about 30 mins each and is getting ripped. Not putting on a ton of size, but he says his fitness level is like he was 16 (he's now 51). Just a thought.

OMGOMGITSHUGE · May 18, 2011

motoxmuscle;432153 said:
Here's just a quick thought, as I have a few tall friends. 6'5" 6'7", they started some crossfit training. They were having a tough time with a lot of gym equipment and weren't getting the kind of workout they wanted. One of them has cut his workouts to 2-3 a week for about 30 mins each and is getting ripped. Not putting on a ton of size, but he says his fitness level is like he was 16 (he's now 51). Just a thought.

I've heard about crossfit, and I've really been wanting to check it out. Do you do it too?

shr0om_7 · May 18, 2011

Lol at CrossFit. This thread just went to shit.

keepingitbig · May 18, 2011

So I almost died today while doing deep squats. I warmed up for 15 minutes and progressively went to lighter weight, than to my normal which is 250. After that, I did about two sets each using this weight with the 3rd going up to 274. Did well with them, with a bench below to make-sure I keep a good form. So, than I went to my last 5th set with 284. On the 3rd set, I went too damn low, muscle legs fatirgued and I sat back on the bench, push myself forward while the weight rolled off my back and onto the safety bars. Man, I blacked out for a few seconds and thought I just died & went to heaven.

Luckly, I got my ass back up with a spotter to help me on my last set of 5 reps doing the same weight. Lol, man. That was crazy. Last week I did great with 280, but this week I failed miserably. Oh well. I'm doing fine and feel great. Even if it were an injury, It'll be on my list of injuries I had in my lifetime. Trust me, I've been got hit by a vehicle, broke my leg, suffered a concussion, bruised my knee, had my foot slammed by a machine and many more....

Forgot to mention that the safety bars were on the lowest from my normal up high enough. I put them high enough next time, but man was that embarrassing.

OMGOMGITSHUGE · May 18, 2011

keepingitbig;432163 said:
So I almost died today while doing deep squats. I warmed up for 15 minutes and progressively went to lighter weight, than to my normal which is 250. After that, I did about two sets each using this weight with the 3rd going up to 274. Did well with them, with a bench below to make-sure I keep a good form. So, than I went to my last 5th set with 284. On the 3rd set, I went too damn low, muscle legs fatirgued and I sat back on the bench, push myself forward while the weight rolled off my back and onto the safety bars. Man, I blacked out for a few seconds and thought I just died & went to heaven.

Luckly, I got my ass back up with a spotter to help me on my last set of 5 reps doing the same weight. Lol, man. That was crazy. Last week I did great with 280, but this week I failed miserably. Oh well. I'm doing fine and feel great. Even if it were an injury, It'll be on my list of injuries I had in my lifetime. Trust me, I've been got hit by a vehicle, broke my leg, suffered a concussion, bruised my knee, had my foot slammed by a machine and many more....

Forgot to mention that the safety bars were on the lowest from my normal up high enough. I put them high enough next time, but man was that embarrassing.

That's never happened to me, but I have this feeling in the back of my mind telling me that it's just a matter of time.

keepingitbig · May 18, 2011

OMGOMGITSHUGE;432170 said:
That's never happened to me, but I have this feeling in the back of my mind telling me that it's just a matter of time.

I meant to say that it happened on my 5th set, 3rd rep. Yeah. Accidents happened. Got through it, felt fine. I'll be careful not.

DLD · May 18, 2011

WOw, lots of action on this thread! Good shit!

REDZULU2003 · May 18, 2011

shr0om_7;432096 said:
ding ding ding. I've seen people leg press over 800lbs, but couldn't squat 265lbs for 8 reps.

Your leg routine does look good but I would remove the anled leg press calf raises and seated calf raises. Do standing calf raises on the block with HEAVY poundage either via the machines, smith or squat rack and you will see changes in the muscle.[/quoted]

Why remove the seated? Only because of standing on a block/plate to increase ROM? Instead of doing 2 sets of seated/2 sets of standing you should focus on one exercise and alternate between seated/standing every 6-12 weeks.

Leg curls for hammys is good. Also check out Stiff Legged Dealift (SDL's) or Romanian Deadlift (RDL's).
If you want to active stretch = BB walking Lunges.

Click to expand...

I find the seated pointless tbh with you mate, dont know why but always didnt feel right for me. Good position to hit the Soleus muscle though, if you really wanted to isolate it that is. Some guys dig it so go with it. Forgot to mention about Donkey calve raises, those and standing calve raises for me are the shitz.

Yes Deadlifts are great but I dont incl them on a leg workout. I just have those on the back days but now I work the entire body in one got with various routines.

REDZULU2003 · May 18, 2011

keepingitbig;432097 said:
I do squat variations to hit my hamstrings ( Going from wide to close stance for the hamstrings ), so I don't think I need leg curls. I really don't see the use for them anyway. I do seated calf raises, because they've been doing well for me lately.

Good idea to save excessive baggage (exercises you dont need because more isnt best). Good the seated calve raises doing well for you but I would strongly suggest you don't do so many exercises for the same muscle group like the calves. Stick to one or two and hit it heavy and with intensity.

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