Ice has shown to be better than heat for Stretching.A case for cold water pumping.

Scauty;713787 said:
First post and totally new to PE though have looked at a few forums etc in the past. I've just bought a Bathmate Hercules (considered X30 of course but read a lot of negative feedback on it) and when it arrives I can't wait to get started. I've had a look at SRT which is just way to much effort and time for me sadly, so anyone who can suggest an effective workout which is short and easy to start with, please comment!

I'm about to get back into shape for rugby, meaning lots of heavy lifting, releasing HGH and eating a lot of protein. I'm also going to be supplementing with L-Arginine and B vitamins too. So basically my body should be in surplus of growth nutrients whilst testosterone should be peaking. By using cold water to cause vasoconstriction then warm water to return blood flow, I'm encouraging new blood to flow to the penis. This forms the rationale for the program I have been thinking about starting - let me know what your thoughts are..

Upon waking - 10 mins Jelq & Stretching (4 directions, 30 seconds * 3)
Shower - warm water Jelqing * 50, Bathmate in warm water * 10 mins, BM cold water *5 mins, BM Warm Water *5, Stretch, 50 Jelq.
Evening - Light stretching, possible 10 min bathmate sesh with warm water.
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If you wanna go for huge muscles - do it :)!

It just isn't the best for health:
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acromegaly;714168 said:
burn this thread, warm water is best end of story
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Nothing better then an ice cold pump session after heavy training. Increases recovery, reduces swellign and edema and gives a monster hang.

Did anyone else notice that you dont sense the cold as much under a vacuum? Takes some overcoming to get into the icecold but once the vacuum is there it isnt as cold.
 
dickerschwanz;718259 said:
Nothing better then an ice cold pump session after heavy training. Increases recovery, reduces swellign and edema and gives a monster hang.

Did anyone else notice that you dont sense the cold as much under a vacuum? Takes some overcoming to get into the icecold but once the vacuum is there it isnt as cold.
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This is what I've heard as well about cold pumping. But I'm not sure as hot water promotes more bloodflow meaning better recovery. Many say that cold water just reduces the inflammation feeling and is more of a placebo affect and instead of helping recover it actually reduces recovery. This is what I learned from my athletic trainer. I'm trying to find studies based on this idea but all I get is shitty articles.
 
kyomoto;718272 said:
This is what I've heard as well about cold pumping. But I'm not sure as hot water promotes more bloodflow meaning better recovery. Many say that cold water just reduces the inflammation feeling and is more of a placebo affect and instead of helping recover it actually reduces recovery. This is what I learned from my athletic trainer. I'm trying to find studies based on this idea but all I get is shitty articles.
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I have said many times before the benefits cold water pumping has brought me and seeing as I've pumped hot and cold in many many occasions I'd say it's definitely not a placebo.
Only way a person can verify if something works for them personally is to try it.
 
kyomoto;718272 said:
This is what I've heard as well about cold pumping. But I'm not sure as hot water promotes more bloodflow meaning better recovery. Many say that cold water just reduces the inflammation feeling and is more of a placebo affect and instead of helping recover it actually reduces recovery. This is what I learned from my athletic trainer. I'm trying to find studies based on this idea but all I get is shitty articles.
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This makes no sense to me what your trainer says. Timing seems to be important if to use cold or hot and I think much of the differing opinions is due to this.
You cant say neither is bad.
Hot water not neccesarily promotes more blood flow. It increases expansion in all tissues imo which can be beneficial but can also lead to problems like skin bloating which can actually hinder internal expansion if done too long.
But I use warm often at and during any session.
With ice cold I get less overal messurable expansion but it feels more "real". I still only use at the end of my sessions. Alternating ice/hot would be interesting too but is a big hassle especially while maintatining erection.

The penis reacts to cold much more then any tissue lol we all know that. It feels very bad for the first moments. Its a bit like cold shower.
While pumping this retraction reaction is less existant if the vaccuum is stronger then that response(not much needed.. a good seal if you have already an erection entering)

What I know is that after a vey heavy training Im better recovered to have natural erections the next day then on others. Less soreness.

I would say that some think we have to carry on some damage/inflammation until the next pe training so in some cases ice cold pumping could shut down the inflammation too fast. When my training isnt that intense then I dont feel the need to do ice cold. But with very heavy training sessions it can feel like a good relief and I feel like Im more ready for another intense training the next day.
So as always with PE there isnt much adjsuting and observation necessary to know if it helps oneself or not.
 
Oh don't worry about it swan he's talking about his pokemon trainer who usually beats him with the pokeballs. But you also need to be honest with yourself why would it feel more "real" if you know that heat aids in stretching the tissues? Because you're propumping bra! if you keep it up you'll end up like iceman38 or acro I'm just saying.

Icey bathmates cause less fluid because penile mesh is contracted and dosnt let extra fluids into skin layer. This lack of fluid leaves skin more vulnerable for discoloration as there's nothing to absorb some before it gets into skin and dissipate it for easier reabsorption into the body later.
 
templnite;718372 said:
Oh don't worry about it swan he's talking about his pokemon trainer who usually beats him with the pokeballs. But you also need to be honest with yourself why would it feel more "real" if you know that heat aids in stretching the tissues? Because you're propumping bra! if you keep it up you'll end up like iceman38 or acro I'm just saying.

Icey bathmates cause less fluid because penile mesh is contracted and dosnt let extra fluids into skin layer. This lack of fluid leaves skin more vulnerable for discoloration as there's nothing to absorb some before it gets into skin and dissipate it for easier reabsorption into the body later.
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you still give in to the thought of scorpions rope dildo in your system so you get in a state of shock and remember to tell kyo he's the best pokemon trainer ever. thanks.

dickerschwanz;718337 said:
This makes no sense to me what your trainer says. Timing seems to be important if to use cold or hot and I think much of the differing opinions is due to this.
You cant say neither is bad.
Hot water not neccesarily promotes more blood flow. It increases expansion in all tissues imo which can be beneficial but can also lead to problems like skin bloating which can actually hinder internal expansion if done too long.
But I use warm often at and during any session.
With ice cold I get less overal messurable expansion but it feels more "real". I still only use at the end of my sessions. Alternating ice/hot would be interesting too but is a big hassle especially while maintatining erection.

The penis reacts to cold much more then any tissue lol we all know that. It feels very bad for the first moments. Its a bit like cold shower.
While pumping this retraction reaction is less existant if the vaccuum is stronger then that response(not much needed.. a good seal if you have already an erection entering)

What I know is that after a vey heavy training Im better recovered to have natural erections the next day then on others. Less soreness.

I would say that some think we have to carry on some damage/inflammation until the next pe training so in some cases ice cold pumping could shut down the inflammation too fast. When my training isnt that intense then I dont feel the need to do ice cold. But with very heavy training sessions it can feel like a good relief and I feel like Im more ready for another intense training the next day.
So as always with PE there isnt much adjsuting and observation necessary to know if it helps oneself or not.
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Going to need to do some research :) I'm just reading articles talking about both sides and they're never giving real sources to where the studies are at. I'll keep trying.
 
templnite;718372 said:
Oh don't worry about it swan he's talking about his pokemon trainer who usually beats him with the pokeballs. But you also need to be honest with yourself why would it feel more "real" if you know that heat aids in stretching the tissues? Because you're propumping bra! if you keep it up you'll end up like iceman38 or acro I'm just saying.

Icey bathmates cause less fluid because penile mesh is contracted and dosnt let extra fluids into skin layer. This lack of fluid leaves skin more vulnerable for discoloration as there's nothing to absorb some before it gets into skin and dissipate it for easier reabsorption into the body later.
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I dont know much about pokemon.
The tissue is stretched above normal level during ice pumping as during warm pumping. Feels like more inner tissue is expanding. Skin expansion I think is mostly faux expansion that doesnt give much to gains.
I get less discoloration with ice water pumping as it seems the skin layer is "closed". Discoloration comes when blood is drawn into the outer skin layers traping blood/iron there. Fluid might help clearing it out on the way back but not neccesarily so.
But of course overpumping with too much vacuum can always lead to discoloration.

Slowly releasing vacuum seems to help with less trapped blood.
 
No dude you have it all Wong! Certain amount of heat increases tissue elasticity just not too hot because it causes it to contract like if you were cooking it. I like icy bathmates towards later sets because something about it makes the dick so stiff. Idk if its because it feels pleasant/different or has an activating effect on the cells but definition useful

Don't worry about the pokeman he is a wannabe vegan.
 
templnite;718433 said:
No dude you have it all Wong! Certain amount of heat increases tissue elasticity just not too hot because it causes it to contract like if you were cooking it. I like icy bathmates towards later sets because something about it makes the dick so stiff. Idk if its because it feels pleasant/different or has an activating effect on the cells but definition useful

Don't worry about the pokeman he is a wannabe vegan.
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I see you like to pick fights lol

I didnt say heat doesnt expand elasticity.
One of the traits of elasticity btw. is to easily be able to revert back to the initial size. Think about that.
 
What is the point of this thread, just to confuse newbies? If I told you pumping with chicken noodle soup works better than water would you believe me?
Instead of saying why cold water MIGHT have benefits, let's rely on most people's experience with warm water and how it will give more expansion and a better hang. I pumped with cold water for an entire month a while back, and there is NO benefit. Sorry if I'm being annoying but this thread irks me.
 
acromegaly;718741 said:
What is the point of this thread, just to confuse newbies? If I told you pumping with chicken noodle soup works better than water would you believe me?
Instead of saying why cold water MIGHT have benefits, let's rely on most people's experience with warm water and how it will give more expansion and a better hang. I pumped with cold water for an entire month a while back, and there is NO benefit. Sorry if I'm being annoying but this thread irks me.
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Swallowing that chicken noodle soup after finishing my own session DELICIOUS!! haha:Olol
 
acromegaly;718741 said:
What is the point of this thread, just to confuse newbies? If I told you pumping with chicken noodle soup works better than water would you believe me?
Instead of saying why cold water MIGHT have benefits, let's rely on most people's experience with warm water and how it will give more expansion and a better hang. I pumped with cold water for an entire month a while back, and there is NO benefit. Sorry if I'm being annoying but this thread irks me.
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I'm starting to just understand PE shouldn't be a concise thing anymore since things work for people differently. If you're gaining you're probably doing right.
 
kyomoto;718774 said:
I'm starting to just understand PE shouldn't be a concise thing anymore since things work for people differently. If you're gaining you're probably doing right.
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There is much truth here. Every man will be able to take a bit different intensity than the other. Some can train all day while others need days off. Some men will gain with very light work while others demand extreme work. Finding these personal innuendos is done through a solid progress thread and listening to the advice of the elders.
 
DLD said:
Time will tell but your are right, sometimes, actually a lot of times, something does not become popular until it gets enough user attention. Even so, I have exercises I have created that no one has even responded to buried deep in the history of MOS.
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Any links for these? I’ll happily give them a try!
 
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