Ice has shown to be better than heat for Stretching.A case for cold water pumping.

beardedbaldy;707644 said:
Holy shit! -25 Celsius, where do you live?
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norway.
we had 3weeks in a row with -20to-30celsius every day.

coldest measurement is -54celsius about 40km away from my house.
 
pillesnoppen;707652 said:
norway.
we had 3weeks in a row with -20to-30celsius every day.

coldest measurement is -54celsius about 40km away from my house.
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That's some crazy stuff!! I don't think I could handle that at all.
 
beardedbaldy;707668 said:
That's some crazy stuff!! I don't think I could handle that at all.
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dry air and -30 isn't that bad.
humid air and -10 and wind is muuuuuuuch worse.
 
pillesnoppen;707674 said:
dry air and -30 isn't that bad.
humid air and -10 and wind is muuuuuuuch worse.
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Haha OMG I'm getting shivers just thinking about it ❄❄❄❄
 
pillesnoppen;707593 said:
I cannot keep myself hard if pumping with cold water. tried it many times and never had any luck.

how do you guys do it?
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�naked people movies�
 
beardedbaldy;707678 said:
Haha OMG I'm getting shivers just thinking about it ❄❄❄❄
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hahaha. Viking here you know. light hair, blue eyes and red beard. and pretty big. hehe

kyomoto;707705 said:
�naked people movies�
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tried that. don't help :)
 
pillesnoppen;707714 said:
hahaha. Viking here you know. light hair, blue eyes and red beard. and pretty big. hehe


tried that. don't help :)
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What if you have your wife help tease you?
 
kyomoto;707501 said:
are you a grower or shower
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lol neither


To people who missed it, are those who are using cold water, warming there penis up before workouts with a heatpad or hot moist towel first?
 
Max Whitewood;707762 said:
lol neither


To people who missed it, are those who are using cold water, warming there penis up before workouts with a heatpad or hot moist towel first?
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For me it depends on when i start my routine. The majority of the time I start first thing in the morning in bed when I'm nice and warm and had my morning erection then go through the bundles and __________'s before starting the Girth program (SRT 5x5x3) starting with jelqing.
 
I usually have a sauna evening when I do my pumping, so first I warm up in the sauna, light stretching and so on. No heat pads or rice socks, I might shower with warm water a bit.

Of course entering the cylinder fully hard would be most beneficial, but I've noticed good growth even without a super hard on. I would say you get used to the cold water and keeping a some sort of an erection will become easier when you repeat the process over and over.

In my experience the fluid retention is less or none with cold water. I find it nowadays almost more relaxing than warm water, but of course I might switch from time to time.
 
pillesnoppen;707804 said:
tried that to :)

haha.
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Damn the hell? I'm not sure what you can do then...
 
This sounds cruel. It's nice to slide into that warm Bathmate at full mast. A freezing cold Bathmate sounds like I'd go flaccid instantly.
 
I started the first post and some of the original intent seems to be Enos and think some clarity is needed. I have a lot more science and links can't edit the first page for additional information.

first for best results it must be as Cold as possible for the "hunting effect" to work. I used ice in mine. But it was also never ment to fully take over and replace heat.bIt was supposed to be additional approach because heat effects tissue growth differently than cold, and heat works better stretching skin,collagen, soft tissue that also needs to grow for PE.

I'm also amazed how many people posting on how could cold works and not reading the science part. How the cold works I just stated this buts it's important to say again . ICE isn't necessarily better than heat but different. ICE has the advantage of using the "hunters reaction" of alternative vasocnstriction and vasodillation,this helps cause the relaxation of smooth muscle(that is how erections happen) and increase blood flow, for better expansion. This is biggest benefit when it's combine with pumping.This increases in blood flow also increases and raises the temperature internally. The "shrinking of the penis" When its cold helps traps the heat RAISES the internal temperature as saving mechanism . There is a lot more to it than this I won't go into without being able to accurately quote it.This cycling also pushes out lymph fluid and bruising in the skin . This explains why people state less fluid. Less fluid retention gives the illusion of less expansion, and appearing less effective.

Heat will stretch skin,collagen and tissue better. Than cold. Heat is still needed The original ice protocol and being adjusted to PE would be ICE,ICE, Heat for the final set. Though people seem to be doing fine and very happy with ice set being last..
 
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ma999;709288 said:
I started the first post and some of the original intent seems to be Enos and think some clarity is needed. I have a lot more science and links can't edit the first page for additional information.

Cold/ ice was NEVER ment to replace heat/ hot water completely. It was supposed to be a supplement. I'm amazed how many people posting on how cold works and not reading the science part. How the cold works If you didn't read the science effects the tissue differently than heat. Not better but different using the "hunters reaction" of alternative vasocnstriction and vasodillation,it will relax smooth muscle(that is how erections happen) and increase blood flow. This also increases blood flow and increases internally Raises the temperature. The contacting on the outside helps RAISES the internal temperature as saving mechanism . There is a lot more to it than this I won't go into without being able to accurately quote it.This cycling also pushes out lymph fluid and bruising in the skin . Less fluid retention gives the illusion of less expansion, and appearing less effective.

Heat will stretch skin,collagen and tissue better. Than cold. Heat is still needed The original ice protocol and being adjusted to PE would be ICE,ICE, Heat for the final set.
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Having taken on the idea of using cold water with the bathmate I have definitely seen benefits most noticeably a lack of fluid retention at my circumcision scar.
You mentioned heat should also be used and I may have inadvertently been doing this to some degree with jelqing between sets, granted this is only raising the temperature to a body heat range but a raise none the less. Would you say that counts in some way??
 
beardedbaldy;709303 said:
Having taken on the idea of using cold water with the bathmate I have definitely seen benefits most noticeably a lack of fluid retention at my circumcision scar.
You mentioned heat should also be used and I may have inadvertently been doing this to some degree with jelqing between sets, granted this is only raising the temperature to a body heat range but a raise none the less. Would you say that counts in some way??
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I'm honestly not able to say would be best. I think a full ice session like you and many people been using seems to be more beneficial than adding a heat session at the end like original concept was intending.


high heat has scientificly proven to stretch collagen, skin, and tissue ligaments and a long time staple in PE for a reason. Though one ice study was on ligament lengthening with ice but won't get into that discussion.But I don't think at body heat temperature level is enough raise in temperature to really push those to there peak and potential. Not saying you can't gain, just probably not most effective.I think this is why others don't feel ice works as good as heat as soft tissues growth might be the areas that slow there growth and heats long regards for breaking plateau for people and understand why they would be leary of the cold . I feel High heat is still valuable . I think for maximum benefits at least add a day of hot water pumping if you are finding cold working best . Or two a day heat first maybe and then ice later. I feel the best thing ice did was better healing and able to get less dick fatigue and always had zero fluid build up.
 
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ma999;709288 said:
I started the first post and some of the original intent seems to be Enos and think some clarity is needed. I have a lot more science and links can't edit the first page for additional information.

first for best results it must be as Cold as possible for the "hunting effect" to work. I used ice in mine. But it was also never ment to fully take over and replace heat.bIt was supposed to be additional approach because heat effects tissue growth differently than cold, and heat works better stretching skin,collagen, soft tissue that also needs to grow for PE.

I'm also amazed how many people posting on how could cold works and not reading the science part. How the cold works I just stated this buts it's important to say again . ICE isn't necessarily better than heat but different. ICE has the advantage of using the "hunters reaction" of alternative vasocnstriction and vasodillation,this helps cause the relaxation of smooth muscle(that is how erections happen) and increase blood flow, for better expansion. This is biggest benefit when it's combine with pumping.This increases in blood flow also increases and raises the temperature internally. The "shrinking of the penis" When its cold helps traps the heat RAISES the internal temperature as saving mechanism . There is a lot more to it than this I won't go into without being able to accurately quote it.This cycling also pushes out lymph fluid and bruising in the skin . This explains why people state less fluid. Less fluid retention gives the illusion of less expansion, and appearing less effective.

Heat will stretch skin,collagen and tissue better. Than cold. Heat is still needed The original ice protocol and being adjusted to PE would be ICE,ICE, Heat for the final set. Though people seem to be doing fine and very happy with ice set being last..
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A balance is needed. Ice and cold could be differentiated for the type of results you're looking for. Maybe it's easier to gain size with icey or cold water. Warmer water or hot but not too hot can be used to heal the penis as it speeds up cell processes.
 
First post and totally new to PE though have looked at a few forums etc in the past. I've just bought a Bathmate Hercules (considered X30 of course but read a lot of negative feedback on it) and when it arrives I can't wait to get started. I've had a look at SRT which is just way to much effort and time for me sadly, so anyone who can suggest an effective workout which is short and easy to start with, please comment!

I'm about to get back into shape for rugby, meaning lots of heavy lifting, releasing HGH and eating a lot of protein. I'm also going to be supplementing with L-Arginine and B vitamins too. So basically my body should be in surplus of growth nutrients whilst testosterone should be peaking. By using cold water to cause vasoconstriction then warm water to return blood flow, I'm encouraging new blood to flow to the penis. This forms the rationale for the program I have been thinking about starting - let me know what your thoughts are..

Upon waking - 10 mins Jelq & Stretching (4 directions, 30 seconds * 3)
Shower - warm water Jelqing * 50, Bathmate in warm water * 10 mins, BM cold water *5 mins, BM Warm Water *5, Stretch, 50 Jelq.
Evening - Light stretching, possible 10 min bathmate sesh with warm water.
 
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