the art of growth enhancing fatigue management

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...I haven't mastered it but I wanted to share an personal experience which seems to prove the hypothesis of some Penis Enlargementrs that sufficient rest time is crucial to success (at least when it comes to girth).

Due to a christmas trip to family and friends I had to suspend all exercising for 9 days. I only once had the chance (and took it) to throw in a girth workout in the middle of the trip. What really startles me is the fact that I not only didn't lose any gains (neither length nor girth) but finally broke the 6"-barrier (and thus reached my goal for the end of the year) without having done anything but to rest. You have to know that I severly struggled with my girth in the past 3 months: though there was the usual temporary expansion I wasn't able to grow a damn tenth of an inch to get to 6, I was stuck at 5,9. So this is a quite exciting and motivating achievement, the fruits of my perseverance, but nonetheless it didn't show itself until I was forced to lay down weapons for a temporary truce between me and my f**** prick.

Also EQ is immaculate atm. So I gotta figure out what to do with the new knowledge, but the global design of my workout strategy for the near future will be a reduction of worktime,i.e. reduced frequency and/or length of the workout units. Note that I speak of myself only (and furthermore only of girth; length might be another thing), but I think, that there could be considerable amount of Penis Enlargementrs who might share the same properties, thus falling under the same category.

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Well, DLD has mentioned this himself- that there should be some rest every X weeks (don't remember). AS much as I know- it is only girth that requires you to take some more time to heal till the next session :)
 
That, of course, seems like another reasonable option. Cycling in a hiatus of one week after x weeks of workout is something to thin about as well. Would be interested to hear DLD's and other's opinion on this subject since I think this topic is still underrepresented compared to its relevance.
 
I remember I was doing girth work for about 3 weeks making good gains with a serious routine.Then my new girth was hurting my wife so i stopped.3 to 4 days later out of the blue I gained about .5 girth on top of what I already had.Most of the girth was also width on the top of my penis.It did go away after 3 days because I couldn't do girth work any more.I still can't explain what the fuck happened to my cock.I do believe it has something to do with the routine then the rest tho.
 
I concur with all the above mentioned... I too recently found that doing girth work just three times a week caused me to gain when I had plateaued at 5 days a week.
 
superman05xx;573781 said:
I concur with all the above mentioned... I too recently found that doing girth work just three times a week caused me to gain when I had plateaued at 5 days a week.
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Yeah, but it's good for people to know that your girth sessions are QUITE intense :)
 
Another observation I've made is, that my temp expansion increased by around 0,1" (the very amount I gained afterwards) just a few days before I had to take a break (with all other variables being held constant, i.e. no changes of my workout regime). Right now, where the 6" seem to have been cemented, temporary expansion doesn't transgress these barrier. Therefore I guess, an increasement in temp expansion prefigures an impending perpetual gain.

After pondering the possible modifications of my routine, I've come to the conclusion that the next route to go will be the addition of a deconditioning or a deload phase, as you would phrase it in terms of strength training. That means, I'll stick to my 4-5 days/week frequency with a duration of 30-40 mins/workout, but I'll throw in a week rest time every 4-6 weeks or so. Will keep you posted.
 
Satyr;573885 said:
Another observation I've made is, that my temp expansion increased by around 0,1" (the very amount I gained afterwards) just a few days before I had to take a break (with all other variables being held constant, i.e. no changes of my workout regime). Right now, where the 6" seem to have been cemented, temporary expansion doesn't transgress these barrier. Therefore I guess, an increasement in temp expansion prefigures an impending perpetual gain.

After pondering the possible modifications of my routine, I've come to the conclusion that the next route to go will be the addition of a deconditioning or a deload phase, as you would phrase it in terms of strength training. That means, I'll stick to my 4-5 days/week frequency with a duration of 30-40 mins/workout, but I'll throw in a week rest time every 4-6 weeks or so. Will keep you posted.
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Keep up with the thread! :)
 
Clamping then immediately putting on a light cock ring yesterday had me thick as hell. I clamp for 30 minutes (either 2 15 minute sessions or 3 10 minute sessions depending on how long I can take it) so hard my dick is ready to bust (it does bleed a tad every once in a while), then do that 3 times a week. Should I take a break monthly or how often? I was just about to post a thread asking that question lol
 
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dmoney101;573900 said:
Clamping then immediately putting on a light cock ring yesterday had me thick as hell. I clamp for 30 minutes (either 2 15 minute sessions or 3 10 minute sessions depending on how long I can take it) so hard my dick is ready to bust (it does bleed a tad every once in a while), then do that 3 times a week. Should I take a break monthly or how often? I was just about to post a thread asking that question lol
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Bleeding wow your crazy lol!it's all good tho what ever it takes to get gains.I read some where,that while clamping you can clamp down to pieces of floor tile on your shaft from the top and below to increase width.I think it was redzulu who did this but I am not sure.I want to try it tho.
 
mrimalive1;574072 said:
Bleeding wow your crazy lol!it's all good tho what ever it takes to get gains.I read some where,that while clamping you can clamp down to pieces of floor tile on your shaft from the top and below to increase width.I think it was redzulu who did this but I am not sure.I want to try it tho.
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haha yea if i ever get ingrown hairs from shaving, there's a good chance they bust. And yea Red came up with that. I used to use books. Basically anything that's flat can be used
 
dmoney101;574074 said:
haha yea if i ever get ingrown hairs from shaving, there's a good chance they bust. And yea Red came up with that. I used to use books. Basically anything that's flat can be used
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I think the top of the shafts width is the most appealing part to look at.The bigger that part is the bigger my ego.I gain alot of girth but it usually isn't across the top it's from the top to the bottom.So I got to try that trick.How did that help you as far as girth gains with width not girth?
 
I haven't really done them since i restarted doing Penis Enlargement, but I have the same thing as you where i gain top to bottom and not width wise. Try doing bends and slinkys
 
I went straight to clamping. I hate jelqs and don't have a pump so that's my best option. I do between 30 and 45 minutes of super intense clamping 3 times a week. I do bends and Uli's mostly while clamped. And the Dash rep where you squeeze your head super quick for several reps. It gives pretty good expansion
 
dmoney101;574166 said:
I went straight to clamping. I hate jelqs and don't have a pump so that's my best option. I do between 30 and 45 minutes of super intense clamping 3 times a week. I do bends and Uli's mostly while clamped. And the Dash rep where you squeeze your head super quick for several reps. It gives pretty good expansion
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I believe Red started with clamping early on too ... Good stuff.
 
superman05xx;574263 said:
I believe Red started with clamping early on too ... Good stuff.
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I just hate jelqing so fuck it, I jumped right in lol. But yea, how often should i be taking deconditioning breaks?
 
What I actually do not like about jelqing is that it takes too much time. I followed a routine that I thought of myself, which was pretty intense. It was basically jelqing supersetted with some exercises I thought of (good ones). My session would usually last between an hour and an hour and a half (only hands using- this means that there is no "sit back and let it pump/clamp") and damn I started hating this rofl. I don't really hate it, but if I didn't lose my EQ every 40 jelqs or so it'd be MUCh easier :)
 
Yea they kill your sensitivity, hurt your hands, take forever to do, and for me personally, didn't give shit for a pump. Where as an hour of clamping leaves my dick looking like a beast haha
 
That's weird. I had the same exact experience but with length and put it in my progress thread. I was at 8.65 inches BPenis EnlargementL, took 2 weeks off while visiting family, and I was at 8.75 when I got back because of the improved EQ. I don't think that it necessarily HELPS with gains, but it does seem to help EQ which in turn helps with MEASUREMENTS not overall gains. Now that I'm back in my normal routine, my BPenis EnlargementL is back to 8.65.
 
ShadedSam;574296 said:
That's weird. I had the same exact experience but with length and put it in my progress thread. I was at 8.65 inches BPenis EnlargementL, took 2 weeks off while visiting family, and I was at 8.75 when I got back because of the improved EQ. I don't think that it necessarily HELPS with gains, but it does seem to help EQ which in turn helps with MEASUREMENTS not overall gains. Now that I'm back in my normal routine, my BPenis EnlargementL is back to 8.65.
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One of these days I'll be your size. I'm determined. Except I'm 5'10 and 140 so it'll look waaaaay bigger on me haha. You're one lucky bastard
 
ShadedSam;574296 said:
That's weird. I had the same exact experience but with length and put it in my progress thread. I was at 8.65 inches BPenis EnlargementL, took 2 weeks off while visiting family, and I was at 8.75 when I got back because of the improved EQ. I don't think that it necessarily HELPS with gains, but it does seem to help EQ which in turn helps with MEASUREMENTS not overall gains. Now that I'm back in my normal routine, my BPenis EnlargementL is back to 8.65.
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This will be more related to length than girth though because girth is more constant regardless of EQ. Now with girth if you have more rest days and get better EQ then you will have more blood available in the penis to exercise which equals better expansion which equals more gains.
 
superman05xx;574300 said:
This will be more related to length than girth though because girth is more constant regardless of EQ. Now with girth if you have more rest days and get better EQ then you will have more blood available in the penis to exercise which equals better expansion which equals more gains.
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Both propositions contradict each other, don't they? apart from this it seems to me that an improved EQ affects both length and girth measurements (while doesn't affect length training per se).
Nonetheless, I can state for my case that girth stayed while length hasn't changed through the last weeks (before and after the break), though my EQ naturally lessened again. The latter aspect one big fuck up of the whole Penis Enlargement thing imo. But that's another story.
 
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Satyr;574301 said:
Both propositions contradict each other, don't they? apart from this it seems to me that an improved EQ affects both length and girth measurements (while doesn't affect length training per se).
Nonetheless, I can state for my case that girth stayed while length hasn't changed through the last weeks (before and after the break), though my EQ naturally lessened again. The latter aspect one big fuck up of the whole Penis Enlargement thing imo. But that's another story.
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Nah, it made sense to me :) I mean my girth is the same for real no matter what my EQ is as long as a have a full erection without really notiible differences. I was saying though if u had better EQ that means more blood would be available in ur penis (lengthwise) which means you can get a better girth workout.
 
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superman05xx;574304 said:
Nah, it made sense to me :) I mean my girth is the same for real no matter what my EQ is as long as a have a full erection without really notiible differences. I was saying though if u had better EQ that means more blood would be available in ur penis (lengthwise) which means you can get a better girth workout.
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As I understand a deficient EQ is usually supposed to be thought of as a suBathmateaximal level of blood circulation in the penis while being erect, which is what you also seem to suggest. Therefore one would have to conclude that your erect penis is softer than he would be under optimal conditions, thus not allowing to be considered as "fully" erect. But I think I see where you are coming from because like you I'm normally also with lessened EQ able to get to max blood circ. level and to measure the expected inches. But for once it's more difficult to get there and moreover it's even more difficult to hold that level upright for an extended time line. Is that what you're saying? If it is we should clarify the def. of a "bad" EQ as appearing in different variations.

But still - at least intuitively (never checked it) I would disagree with your assumption that length is not affected proportionally to girth, i.e. measurements of the two measures relatively differ from each other under the same conditions. ok, to make it more K.I.S.S. (rofl): given a certain EQ level, you should also measure your usual length if you are able to measure your usual girth.
 
I don't know how related this is to the topic, but talkin about EQ I often get erections that show all the girth I have, but 0.5 lower than my actual 100% EQ lerect length...
 
Satyr;574305 said:
As I understand a deficient EQ is usually supposed to be thought of as a suBathmateaximal level of blood circulation in the penis while being erect, which is what you also seem to suggest. Therefore one would have to conclude that your erect penis is softer than he would be under optimal conditions, thus not allowing to be considered as "fully" erect. But I think I see where you are coming from because like you I'm normally also with lessened EQ able to get to max blood circ. level and to measure the expected inches. But for once it's more difficult to get there and moreover it's even more difficult to hold that level upright for an extended time line. Is that what you're saying? If it is we should clarify the def. of a "bad" EQ as appearing in different variations.

But still - at least intuitively (never checked it) I would disagree with your assumption that length is not affected proportionally to girth, i.e. measurements of the two measures relatively differ from each other under the same conditions. ok, to make it more K.I.S.S. (rofl): given a certain EQ level, you should also measure your usual length if you are able to measure your usual girth.
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I think we are both over thinking this.

I replied to this: “That's weird. I had the same exact experience but with length and put it in my progress thread. I was at 8.65 inches BPenis EnlargementL, took 2 weeks off while visiting family, and I was at 8.75 when I got back because of the improved EQ. I don't think that it necessarily HELPS with gains, but it does seem to help EQ which in turn helps with MEASUREMENTS not overall gains. Now that I'm back in my normal routine, my BPenis EnlargementL is back to 8.65.”

And my basic response was that I didn’t think your statement where you said, “Though there was the usual temporary expansion I wasn't able to grow a damn tenth of an inch to get to 6, I was stuck at 5,9. So this is a quite exciting and motivating achievement,” was the result of improved erection quality.

The erection quality I am comparing is a fully erect but Penis Enlargemented the day before penis versus a nine days rested (from Penis Enlargement) raging hard on penis. I have gained girth size recently and have had both of the EQs I mentioned above and the difference for me isn’t noticeable.

All I am saying relative to fully erect but Penis Enlargemented the day before penis versus a nine days rested (from Penis Enlargement) raging hard on penis is that the extra length (raging hard on) means that there is more blood in the penis (length wise) and since there is more blood it can be pushed around girth wise.

All in all I believe intense girth work requires more rest time (or cialis) for healing and growth. I believe we were both in the situation of overtraining where we healed enough to do our next workout; however, the penis never had time to “overheal” or overcompensate for the load placed on it (like bodybuilding).
 
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ok, now I got you, thanks for clarifying. But the fact that you and Zam both experienced a reduced length with an erect-Penis Enlargement-dick really puzzles me. wouldn't have expected that because I can't remember to have measured more length after the break.
 
Satyr;574310 said:
ok, now I got you, thanks for clarifying. But the fact that you and Zam both experienced a reduced length with an erect-Penis Enlargement-dick really puzzles me. wouldn't have expected that because I can't remember to have measured more length after the break.
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It puzzles both of us.
 
superman05xx;574308 said:
All in all I believe intense girth work requires more rest time (or cialis) for healing and growth. I believe we were both in the situation of overtraining where we healed enough to do our next workout; however, the penis never had time to “overheal” or overcompensate for the load placed on it (like bodybuilding).
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I've heard you don't want the body to super-compensate during it's healing process due to the possibilities of forming scar tissue in the ligs, versus stretching them out. What do you think?

I stretch everyday, the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words], and after about 6-7 days of continual stretching, I start to get really sore in my ligs and due to the intense soreness I can't stretch as hard, however, it also doesn't feel like I need to apply as much force into my stretching when in this fatigued state. There's a definite fine line between overtraining and healthy Penis Enlargement.
 
Keep in mind that we're strictly talking girth here, not length. I believe that you can't really overdo it with the stretching with respect to the volume (only in terms of intensity).
 
That's a good point, Superman. Girth work may require more rest since you need to be able to get very hard to get a good workout. I still think that people should be careful of rest days though. Especially if they're not REALLY rest days and it is really just you making an excuse because you're to lazy to do your workouts. I think that satyr's idea of doing 1 week off every 6 weeks wouldn't hurt as long as you stick to it and don't let the 1 week turn into a month/year lol. However, with length, I'm not taking a break until I hit 10 inches :)
 
dmoney101;574298 said:
One of these days I'll be your size. I'm determined. Except I'm 5'10 and 140 so it'll look waaaaay bigger on me haha. You're one lucky bastard
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Thanks bro :)
Are you trying to catch up with me, or be the size that I am now? Because if you're trying to catch up you'll have to go for 10 inches lol. I'll race you though. What size are you now? We can see who can grow 1 inch the fastest :) I'm aiming for .1 inches a month, but I doubt I'll achieve it.
 
At first I wanted to just be 8 x 6 but then I realized, I won't be content until I put every adult entertainment star to shame lmao. I'd be cool with a 9 incher that actually got hard though. I'm starting at 7 and I'm about a month in. We'll see how my gains go. I wish I could get those 2 inches like dld claimed from his [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] lol
 
After a 40-days-loading phase in a 2on/1off-rhytHydromax I'm on a hiat now since last friday and won't resume workout before coming friday. Let's see what happens. I'll keep you posted.
 
I agree with DLD; always make sure to give your penis time to rest. Plus make sure you take blood flow supplements while resting.
 
fucking incredible update, guys!! I believe, I've found the key to boost my girth gains thru the roof!
After I layed off all girth work for a week, I started the first session this morning - the first thing I noticed was that I had a much harder time to get my grip around my base. Then I measured and...what can I say: girth increased by at least 0,1" (a bit more actually)! Therefore I was not just able to replicate the success of the last experiment from christmas, but also trumped it in numbers! never had such gains in such a shot time since my first weeks of Penis Enlargementing!
conclusion: girth works needs breaks on a regular basis! at least in my case this seems a much more efficient way to gain. Retrospectively I have to say that the stalling of my development in the last months of the last year was caused by severe overtraining.
I will make a hiatus again in 4-6 weeks to replicate this fabulous results a second time, but this can't be a coincidence.
I would advise to conduct such an experiment on your own. It's not unknown in the Penis Enlargement world that girthwise sufficient rest time is necessary, but I think this opens up a whole new dimension of this problem! I'm fucking excited!

btw: I do an intense workout, but not as intense as some others here. I don't clamp, I just do the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] (manual grip) and a dry jelq here and there for about 30 mins (4-5 times a week). I wonder If the clampers around here would profit even more from such a recovery phase.
Also I will manipulate some variables in the future to compare potentially differing results. Maybe even 40 days is a longer time period than is needed to get the next boost. Idk, still a lot to find out about this, but for me it's a revolutionary discovery!
 
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yeah, indeed, bro, indeed. I know that you've cut your frequency down to 3x/week for the same reasons, but I'd be very interested if you (and others) could speed up your gains much more efficiently with a full "deload" as well as I'm doing right now. I mean, there's really some spectacular thing going on here, damn it's around 0,2" that I gained within 2 months!! the results surpassed my boldest expectations by far! Should the process continue like this, then I'd be around 6,6" in girth at the end of the year. I'm sure it won't go on like this forever because gain potentials aren't unlimited and the body - to our mind's disadvantage - has miraculous ability to adapt to external stimuli, but nonetheless I'll milk it for what it's worth...and it seems to be worth a lot.

Also I want to add the info that this time nothing, absolutely nothing prefigured such a success beforehand: temp expansion right before the break was the same as the weeks before.
 
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Satyr;576767 said:
yeah, indeed, bro, indeed. I know that you've cut your frequency down to 3x/week for the same reasons, but I'd be very interested if you (and others) could speed up your gains much more efficiently with a full "deload" as well as I'm doing right now. I mean, there's really some spectacular thing going on here, damn it's around 0,2" that I gained within 2 months!! the results surpassed my boldest expectations by far! Should the process continue like this, then I'd be around 6,6" in girth at the end of the year. I'm sure it won't go on like this forever because gain potentials are unlimited and the body - to our mind's disadvantage - has miraculous ability to adapt to external stimuli, but nonetheless I'll milk it for what it's worth...and it seems to be worth a lot.

Also I want to add the info that this time nothing, absolutely nothing prefigured such a success beforehand: temp expansion right before the break was the same as the weeks before.
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Fixed it for you.
 
rofl. right now it feels like that, yea.:cool:
looking forward to having sex this night and my gf's reaction. This speed of development can't stay unnoticed. Thing is, the last days I was heavily stressed which was a real EQ- and sex life crasher. It was also for this reason that I couldn't measure more than the 6" when I did 2 or 3 days ago just to check. And now where my head's back in position and libido returned: booom, all the gains show at once
 
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ok, shitty update this time: Somehow I seem to have at least (and hopefully only) temporarily lost the 0.1" and went back to 6 yesterday and today. You can imagine how frustrated and irritated I am right now. While I was able to confirm the 6,1" on saturday (that was the second day after I resumed my training and measured the new size for the first time) and monday (with a rest day in between), I failed to replicate the result yesterday and today (which was a rest day again after workout on monday and tuesday, was just curious if things had changed). Thing is, I was almost able to get to my new temp expansion rate (correspondingly also 0.1" more than before the break) during the workout yesterday, so I believe the gains aren't irreversibly gone. EQ does seem as good as on the first days, so I think I can rule out this factor.

I wonder if this might be a sign of already overtraining again and thus if - just a in strength sports - frequency and overall volume should be reduced at a certain conditioning level while intensity should (or does) rise. Because I also noticed that the red spots which I used to get very often if I constricted my base too hard don't seem to appear anymore (though I went very hard on my dick right on the first workout day after the break, enthusiastic as I was). Maybe I should stick to a 1on/1off scheme as well. But first I'll wait with the next workout and see if girth comes back tomorrow or the day after. that would be pretty good evidence to back up my hypothesis.
I'll keep you posted.
 
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Don't be discouraged, it's only the first lap of the triathlon. 1/4 cm isn't much to distress about mate!

Some days I dread that cold chill that runs down my spine when, after all the hard work during the month(s), my measurements don't show any progress, or reversed.

Seems like you're listening to your instincts though. Keep it up man.
 
superman05xx;577175 said:
Sounds like it just needs to be cemented ..... give it time. I mean that is the sucky part about measuring often.
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That proved to be right. My new girth of 6,1" returned two days ago and stayed till today. I'm under the impression that this time it'll last.
All in all I'm amazed by the potentials that lie in the elaboration of a sophisticated fatigue management system and in the further exploration of the causal interrelations between loading and deloading. I will keep on reporting in this thread and check back after my next break which I plan to take after a loading phase of 30 days this time, i.e. in three weeks.
 
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