TheExecutioner said:
Yeah, I know, it rocks, doesn't it?
More Skin = Faster Gains
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Yeah, I know, it rocks, doesn't it?
I was tightly circed and have a horribly ugly, very dark circ scar. What got me to thinking about FR helping Penis Enlargement was the fact that my circ scar actually constricted my penis enough over the years that I have a circular indentation where it used to rest. If it can do that, tight skin must be a limiting factor on Penis Enlargement gains. I have been trying to stretch out the c-scar but scar tissue is notoriously hard to stretch.
SyncMaster said:
My only concern would be that could the plastic cause long term damage since it doesn't "breathe" ? Still, I'm going to give this a shot, I've wanted to try FR for a while but taping seemed a little too much trouble - just one more item in an already overfilled schedule.
Thanks,
wesb
Here is a quote from another thread, this one by a member who attended medical school:
"In medical school, I did a clinical clerkship with a Urologist who remarked that he has noticed a distinct pattern over the years: as a group, uncircumcised adult males have larger penises than those who were circumcised before puberty. What accounts for this? Most likely, residual scar tissue retards the normal rate of growth during puberty. Conceivably, disruption of the native vasculature, and the all-important blood supply, might also play a role in this.
This doesn't address the specific question that you posed, but it is closely related. The scar tissue doesn't just go away, for example, nor will the native vasculature ever be quite the same. Recently, I raised two blisters on the glans during a pumping session. I laid off from pumping for a week or two, at which point one blister had healed completely, whereas evidence of the other, larger blister remained. When I resumed pumping, after about 40 minutes into the first session I raised a blister again in the same spot that was still slowly healing. It's been three or four weeks since that recurrence, yet a discolored patch of skin still betrays the injury. What is the single most important factor that affects wound healing? As any surgeon would tell you in an instant, the answer is blood supply. If you keep up with current headlines, you'll already be well aware that blood supply is paramount for tissue growth in general."
What does FR give to the practicing Penis Enlargementer? New skin that is highly vascularized!
I'm not saying that FR is going to give you gains, only that it may remove a couple of the roadblocks that keep some men from getting what they want...a bigger cock.
"In medical school, I did a clinical clerkship with a Urologist who remarked that he has noticed a distinct pattern over the years: as a group, uncircumcised adult males have larger penises than those who were circumcised before puberty. What accounts for this? Most likely, residual scar tissue retards the normal rate of growth during puberty. Conceivably, disruption of the native vasculature, and the all-important blood supply, might also play a role in this.
This doesn't address the specific question that you posed, but it is closely related. The scar tissue doesn't just go away, for example, nor will the native vasculature ever be quite the same. Recently, I raised two blisters on the glans during a pumping session. I laid off from pumping for a week or two, at which point one blister had healed completely, whereas evidence of the other, larger blister remained. When I resumed pumping, after about 40 minutes into the first session I raised a blister again in the same spot that was still slowly healing. It's been three or four weeks since that recurrence, yet a discolored patch of skin still betrays the injury. What is the single most important factor that affects wound healing? As any surgeon would tell you in an instant, the answer is blood supply. If you keep up with current headlines, you'll already be well aware that blood supply is paramount for tissue growth in general."
What does FR give to the practicing Penis Enlargementer? New skin that is highly vascularized!
I'm not saying that FR is going to give you gains, only that it may remove a couple of the roadblocks that keep some men from getting what they want...a bigger cock.
Bump for Swank and Skepdick
I'm not saying that FR is going to give you gains, only that it may remove a couple of the roadblocks that keep some men from getting what they want...a bigger cock.
Is this where I promised all restorers miraculous gains in length and girth?
Get a life, guys.
I'm not saying that FR is going to give you gains, only that it may remove a couple of the roadblocks that keep some men from getting what they want...a bigger cock.
Is this where I promised all restorers miraculous gains in length and girth?
Get a life, guys.
Once again, did anybody question you on this article? What's your point, nobody said a word? You're a strange man.
I will say thanks for going to all the trouble to show that often nobody breathes a word about what you claim. Yep, poor Kong, always the victim of such brutal slander.
As with the other one, there are some highly disputable claims here, but I don't so much care as the thread is clearly started just to try and drum up some interest in FR so you can discuss your own story and views with some new guys. It's a recruitment add really - FR will speed up your gains so do it! Hey, it might be true. It might not be either . . . but we can talk about that if you really want.
I will say thanks for going to all the trouble to show that often nobody breathes a word about what you claim. Yep, poor Kong, always the victim of such brutal slander.
As with the other one, there are some highly disputable claims here, but I don't so much care as the thread is clearly started just to try and drum up some interest in FR so you can discuss your own story and views with some new guys. It's a recruitment add really - FR will speed up your gains so do it! Hey, it might be true. It might not be either . . . but we can talk about that if you really want.
Once again, did anybody question you on this article? What's your point, nobody said a word? You're a strange man.
Strange man? For this not being a personal thing, you often have alot of disparaging remarks to make about me. I merely bumped this thread because you were accusing me of promising men miraculous gains in size from doing FR and I just wanted everyone to see here that I never did any such thing. The criticisms you've leveled against me regarding this point are completely unfounded and merely meant to hurt my credibility on this forum. That is, in fact, the only tactic you really have to use against me. You have never addressed any of my restoration ideas, only attacked my credibility and the credibility of my sources. Did you think I would never see through this ruse, and now I'd love for everyone else to see it too! Instead of admitting you are wrong, you call me strange. If I'm strange for wanting to bring the truth to light, then oh well, I guess I'm strange!
I will say thanks for going to all the trouble to show that often nobody breathes a word about what you claim. Yep, poor Kong, always the victim of such brutal slander.
Yes, another personal remark. Now you want them to think I am playing on their sympathy when I try bring the truth to light. I am not playing this game anymore. You've been putting words into my mouth and trying to hurt my credibility long enough. That tactic isn't going to work anymore because now it have been SEEN!
As with the other one, there are some highly disputable claims here, but I don't so much care as the thread is clearly started just to try and drum up some interest in FR so you can discuss your own story and views with some new guys. It's a recruitment add really - FR will speed up your gains so do it! Hey, it might be true. It might not be either . . . but we can talk about that if you really want.
Yes, everyone, swank thinks they're highly disputable! Oh my! He hasn't even tried FR to see for himself. He just regurgitates all the crap facts he reads on the circumfetishist websites and expects us to eat them up because he's so "fair" and "open-minded". He wants to "debate" them with me, but it is really only another chance for him to discredit me and cast a shadow of doubt on the anti-circ/restoration movement. Why don't you want others to know about restoration?
Strange man? For this not being a personal thing, you often have alot of disparaging remarks to make about me. I merely bumped this thread because you were accusing me of promising men miraculous gains in size from doing FR and I just wanted everyone to see here that I never did any such thing. The criticisms you've leveled against me regarding this point are completely unfounded and merely meant to hurt my credibility on this forum. That is, in fact, the only tactic you really have to use against me. You have never addressed any of my restoration ideas, only attacked my credibility and the credibility of my sources. Did you think I would never see through this ruse, and now I'd love for everyone else to see it too! Instead of admitting you are wrong, you call me strange. If I'm strange for wanting to bring the truth to light, then oh well, I guess I'm strange!
I will say thanks for going to all the trouble to show that often nobody breathes a word about what you claim. Yep, poor Kong, always the victim of such brutal slander.
Yes, another personal remark. Now you want them to think I am playing on their sympathy when I try bring the truth to light. I am not playing this game anymore. You've been putting words into my mouth and trying to hurt my credibility long enough. That tactic isn't going to work anymore because now it have been SEEN!
As with the other one, there are some highly disputable claims here, but I don't so much care as the thread is clearly started just to try and drum up some interest in FR so you can discuss your own story and views with some new guys. It's a recruitment add really - FR will speed up your gains so do it! Hey, it might be true. It might not be either . . . but we can talk about that if you really want.
Yes, everyone, swank thinks they're highly disputable! Oh my! He hasn't even tried FR to see for himself. He just regurgitates all the crap facts he reads on the circumfetishist websites and expects us to eat them up because he's so "fair" and "open-minded". He wants to "debate" them with me, but it is really only another chance for him to discredit me and cast a shadow of doubt on the anti-circ/restoration movement. Why don't you want others to know about restoration?
Just read the threads people, all these gripes have been mulled over endlessly. I don't feel any real need to defend myself here, anybody who checks out what has been written before can see what the real deal is.
The "foreskin smell" one is great, the one I started "A little more about my reasons" or something like that, um, the "confused" one is pretty good, the "psuedo-male" thread of Kong's is good.
Read those, not these pithy personal arguments. There's plenty of bickering in those, but they at least have to do with the issues of FR and circumcision on a basic level, not "Swank vs. Kong like these are all devolving into.
Read the threads fellas, make up your own minds!
The "foreskin smell" one is great, the one I started "A little more about my reasons" or something like that, um, the "confused" one is pretty good, the "psuedo-male" thread of Kong's is good.
Read those, not these pithy personal arguments. There's plenty of bickering in those, but they at least have to do with the issues of FR and circumcision on a basic level, not "Swank vs. Kong like these are all devolving into.
Read the threads fellas, make up your own minds!
Unlike swank, I am going to cease banging on this drum...until he tries to question my credibility or the credibility of my sources again. Especially considering that his are no more valid than mine, except in mis mind.
You have been caught, swank. Your debate tactics are underhanded, morally wrong and deceptive to the extreme. We can get along so long as you stop trying to cast me as a loony or put words into my mouth that I never said.
You have been caught, swank. Your debate tactics are underhanded, morally wrong and deceptive to the extreme. We can get along so long as you stop trying to cast me as a loony or put words into my mouth that I never said.
Kong, you seem to be complaining a lot about Swank attacking specifically you rather than the ideas of FR in general. but as far as i can tell, Swank never had any beef with FR, the only problem he had was with you spewing a whole lotta crap.
the issue is not FR, it is you (Kong) talking ridiculous shit about FR.
the issue is not FR, it is you (Kong) talking ridiculous shit about FR.
Hmm, Kong's Loony and I'm morally corrupt. What an interesting place . . .
Fine by me guy, guess I've been busted.
Remember men - when you read a conversation between Kong and myself, always keep in mind that I'm a deceptive, manipulative schemer that tricks poor Kong for no reason and makes no valid points. Every issue I raise is just subterfuge for my pro-circumcision propaganda.
Just in case, read the threads for yourselves and make up your own minds, don't let Kong, or me, do it for you.
Fine by me guy, guess I've been busted.
Remember men - when you read a conversation between Kong and myself, always keep in mind that I'm a deceptive, manipulative schemer that tricks poor Kong for no reason and makes no valid points. Every issue I raise is just subterfuge for my pro-circumcision propaganda.
Just in case, read the threads for yourselves and make up your own minds, don't let Kong, or me, do it for you.
Kong, you seem to be complaining a lot about Swank attacking specifically you rather than the ideas of FR in general. but as far as i can tell, Swank never had any beef with FR, the only problem he had was with you spewing a whole lotta crap.
Why is it crap? Because you think it's crap? I think it's pathetic to butt into the FR section when you think it's just a bunch of made-up stuff. Does that make you pathetic, or is that just me being ole krazy kong again? Hey, why don't you go and be someone else's blind follower some more?
the issue is not FR, it is you (Kong) talking ridiculous shit about FR.
No, the issue is swank making it all look like ridiculous shit when he has no valid arguments and can only attack my credibility or the credibility of my sources of information.
Why is it crap? Because you think it's crap? I think it's pathetic to butt into the FR section when you think it's just a bunch of made-up stuff. Does that make you pathetic, or is that just me being ole krazy kong again? Hey, why don't you go and be someone else's blind follower some more?
the issue is not FR, it is you (Kong) talking ridiculous shit about FR.
No, the issue is swank making it all look like ridiculous shit when he has no valid arguments and can only attack my credibility or the credibility of my sources of information.
So what, in your opinion, is real FR and what is the "ridiculous shit"? You should be able to tell me since you've done it yourself, right?
Or do you need to wait for swank to outline that for you?
whatever, dude. Have a good night. I'm signing off and you can say whatever personal bullshit you can think of about me that you want. Saying it doesn't make it reality, and from now on, I am just going to give what I get.
You think I spew a whole lotta crap and ridiculous shit.
I think you let other people do your thinking for you.
Or do you need to wait for swank to outline that for you?
whatever, dude. Have a good night. I'm signing off and you can say whatever personal bullshit you can think of about me that you want. Saying it doesn't make it reality, and from now on, I am just going to give what I get.
You think I spew a whole lotta crap and ridiculous shit.
I think you let other people do your thinking for you.
what are you talking about!?!? your makin jack all sense and bringing up points that have nothing to do with anything.
your talking rediculous shit about FR, what the hell does that have to do with me defining "real" FR.
christ, i really should stop talking to you, your so frustrating. i feel like im having an argument with jessica simpson.
your talking rediculous shit about FR, what the hell does that have to do with me defining "real" FR.
christ, i really should stop talking to you, your so frustrating. i feel like im having an argument with jessica simpson.
Why won't this go away.... personal attacks...I'm right and you're wrong... FR has some benefits... and it also has draw backs... you guys getting all into each other's hair is not cool.... let it rest... good grief... FR is good stuff... Kong is a supporter of FR and anticircumcision... SH and Swank are presenting a case against the benefits of FR, and that's fine too... but in all honesty someone has to be right... For Kong in his situation being butchered as he has described his circumcision FR would be a useful tool for him so that he could enjoy sex.... I can't really imagine how bad it was to tear your skin if you got too rough in bed with your wife...that's pretty brutal... so for him to actually have moveable skin is a big step up... so yes FR has it's benefits... subjective or objective... there's plenty of evidence to support him... and it's personal experience, he's the best judge of that... Personally I like FR, even though it's tedious and sometimes a bit of an irritant... but for the most part I'm glad I'm persuing it... I can say that my glans is softer, the skin folds quite neatly over the glans mostly now... and it's actually improved my flaccid hang.... As of recently I've really gotten over the whole Penis Enlargement thing... I still Penis Enlargement but it's not such a big deal to me if I'm not at my goal yet... I'll take my time to get there... This probably has nothing to do with FR... but it's all relative since in all things involved with this board we don't know exactly how it works.... why some make gains and others don't... it's not exact but every little bit helps to complete the puzzle... FR is part of that puzzle for some... just like hanging is to length... and clamping is for girth... you can do it all with your hands but for some it's just another piece of their puzzle....
Exactly!
We should be talking about making the puzzle fit right. I don't know everything. I don't have all the answers. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. I don't mind talking about anything, so long as it isn't called bullshit right from the start. You call it bullshit and there is no debate. It becomes an argument with everyone taking sides.
All I ever said was that FR might give some men faster gains. It seemed to help with me. There was some anecdotal evidence to support it from other restorers and there seemed to be some medical basis for it as well when talking about botched circumcisions with scarring and too much skin removed. It all makes sense if you don't let it get overblown. Next thing you know, I'm being accused of telling everyone that it would give you 10 inches in gains! It was done purposefully, too!
Do I think it will give you a huge horse cock?
Nope. Never said it.
Do I think it can, in some cases, help with gains?
Yep.
That's the title of the thread. More skin = faster gains.
The rest is just words being put in my mouth to muddy the issue and cause an uproar.
We should be talking about making the puzzle fit right. I don't know everything. I don't have all the answers. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. I don't mind talking about anything, so long as it isn't called bullshit right from the start. You call it bullshit and there is no debate. It becomes an argument with everyone taking sides.
All I ever said was that FR might give some men faster gains. It seemed to help with me. There was some anecdotal evidence to support it from other restorers and there seemed to be some medical basis for it as well when talking about botched circumcisions with scarring and too much skin removed. It all makes sense if you don't let it get overblown. Next thing you know, I'm being accused of telling everyone that it would give you 10 inches in gains! It was done purposefully, too!
Do I think it will give you a huge horse cock?
Nope. Never said it.
Do I think it can, in some cases, help with gains?
Yep.
That's the title of the thread. More skin = faster gains.
The rest is just words being put in my mouth to muddy the issue and cause an uproar.
Shithead said:
read the threads yourself, shithead. the ridiculous claims I made were never made by me. they were made by swank. I said two bonehead things, that i thought circ was linked to aggression and something else, and retracted them both. the rest is bullshit never ever uttered by me at all.