If Jesus would return?
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If Christ showed up today I know the last thing he would want to see is a cross. Yet all of his followers symbolize him with it.
Duppi_KronKite said:
Yup. If he was killed by a stab wound, I bet all his so called "followers" would wear a dagger on their necklaces. I'm sure Jesus hates the cross. Glorifying the instrument used to kill Jesus in the most barbaric way is asinine. Nice avatar by the way Juggers. I see I'm not the only one who enjoys watching smallville.
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Kal-el said:
Jesus went to the cross willingly. You have to keep in mind that (according to Christianity) Jesus is God personified. God knew exactly how He would be killed and went anyway. I think if he were going to hate it he would have hated it the first time around.
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Yay! Another religious debate thread. I dont think Jesus is returning any time soon if ever. "If" he ever did, he'd be bringing his lawyers along with him. 
We've been living in the "end times" since before Jesus was ever thought of. There are so called 'proofs' that can support just about whatever religious belief you could think of from any religion. Why is the Christian 'faith' the only one who gets to be right? Having a higher understanding of things in a given area or in many areas does not make one a god or worthy of worship. Too bad you cant under U.S. laws anyway franchise non profit organisations like churches. They're fantastic money making machines. Would you like fries with that?
We've been living in the "end times" since before Jesus was ever thought of. There are so called 'proofs' that can support just about whatever religious belief you could think of from any religion. Why is the Christian 'faith' the only one who gets to be right? Having a higher understanding of things in a given area or in many areas does not make one a god or worthy of worship. Too bad you cant under U.S. laws anyway franchise non profit organisations like churches. They're fantastic money making machines. Would you like fries with that?
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9cyclops9 said:
That is to say if the story of Jesus actually happened...
We are coming to the end of our Journey so if there is going to be a second coming it will be coming fairly quickly.
It was once said the first form of Mind Control was Religion. Take something the people feared (Death) and tell them if they conform they will be given life after death. It made it easy for tribes to control their people.
Imagine a world where people thought completely for themselves instead of having the guy beside you lead you down the path. People don't think because thinking leads to conclusions and conclusions aren't always pleasant.
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I think the modern media has a lot to do with the resurgence in the popularity of religion. There have always been natural disasters, impending doom from outer space, hunger/starvation, diseases, etc. All part of the natural cycle in the universe. Life in general can be a big disaster if you allow it to be. Many times we have no control over what happens. The media of today however, loves to zoom in on things like this, and sensationalize things to make it seem like we've never seen such things like we do nowadays. Therefor, to the uninformed it would be easy to conclude that the "signs of change" are amongst us, we must be living in the "end times". I think religion ends up being a scapegoat for many people. Something to blame their problems on. God doesnt love me, thats why my wife died, or I have cancer. Satan rules the earth, thats why people in Africa are dying of starvation. It's the equivalent of relying on "the gods" for a good crop growing season.
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Juggers said:
I'm already prepared ive got a fire retardant immersion suit,i only take it off to hang or shower,so when i get thrown in the lake of burning fire,i should be ok.
Its not just unbelievers there is a little list including all liers,so lets hope no ones been telling pork pies or you might be a bit disappointed.
Duppi_KronKite said:
For whatever it's worth, I've heard that historical records kept by Roman officials detail the crucifixtion of a man named Jesus and that his body was found missing shortly afterwards. I think there is enough evidence to suggest the events happened, though that certainly does not prove the divinity of Jesus.
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I've also "heard" "unconfirmed rumors" of things like secret documents and scriptures kept under tight lock and key by the roman catholic church which contain unspecified controversial religious information. Now in todays' modern society what sort of ideas does a statement like that conjure up? Could be anything right? Why would a religious organization keep things from the masses?? Is there something to hide? May or may not even have anything to do with Jesus, the "Virgin Mary", etc. One can do their own homework and find information, well documented information that confirms the fact that SEVERAL religions from the past that have either come and gone, or are still in existence which share similar ideas to other religions. Now how does a christian or any other religious person explain things like this? How is it that people from all corners of the earth and not specified reagions have come up with similar religious ideas? Everyone knows that when one man comes up with an idea no matter how unique it has often either been thought of before, or it is thought of by someone else as well. It's usually just a case of who says they came up with it first. (How bout a patent office for divinity) How do the inventors of astrology for example come up with concepts that very closely mirror the christian faith.....THOUSANDS of years before christ supposedly walked the earth? That's just one example. People from various cultures have charted the stars and astral bodies for millenia. Some have made it into a religion and chosen to 'worship' the heavenly bodies and some have not. Let's take on the ancient Greeks as another short example. How many GODS did they have? They just like many other ancient cultures practically had a god for everything you could think of. Does it make a culture wrong, or condemned before the eyes of another "true" god because they worship many gods vs. this one, devine entity? Let's take another concept into consideration real quick. The "words of god" have always been transcribed (written down) by mankind. Because of this fact alone, not to mention that mankind....unlike a 'divine entity' is fallable...how can anyone truly say that what a given religious sect may spew as "fact" is indeed fact or "the word of" any deity? People love to latch onto ideas that appeal to them dont they? Emotionally, logically, if it sounds good we as humans love it like a fat kid loves cake. If a group of people catch on to an idea, "god forbid" someone else comes along and tries to discredit what has now turned into a new belief system.
) How do the inventors of astrology for example come up with concepts that very closely mirror the christian faith.....THOUSANDS of years before christ supposedly walked the earth? That's just one example. People from various cultures have charted the stars and astral bodies for millenia. Some have made it into a religion and chosen to 'worship' the heavenly bodies and some have not. Let's take on the ancient Greeks as another short example. How many GODS did they have? They just like many other ancient cultures practically had a god for everything you could think of. Does it make a culture wrong, or condemned before the eyes of another "true" god because they worship many gods vs. this one, devine entity? Let's take another concept into consideration real quick. The "words of god" have always been transcribed (written down) by mankind. Because of this fact alone, not to mention that mankind....unlike a 'divine entity' is fallable...how can anyone truly say that what a given religious sect may spew as "fact" is indeed fact or "the word of" any deity? People love to latch onto ideas that appeal to them dont they? Emotionally, logically, if it sounds good we as humans love it like a fat kid loves cake. If a group of people catch on to an idea, "god forbid" someone else comes along and tries to discredit what has now turned into a new belief system.The only thing that counted before and counts now is faith. Of course non of this makes sense right now in this day and age...You simply need to develope some type of faith. I don't doubt that the story of Jesus as God returning to judge the people of the earth sounds nutso, and that all these crazy things are going to happen soon...however we are lead to beleive so many things in life, most we never really question but just accept with blind faith. Think about all the things we think we know and we believe in them, all the things we have faith in. Jesus returning is a pure, faith driven belief. This is what happens when people don't read the Bible, they get all confused about His return.
penguinsfan said:
Im not saying he never existed, I am saying the story of his life is false. I have done my homework and if some guy today lived and died as a normal man and 100 years later the establisHydromaxent says that guy was Santa Claus and creates a new story of his life, should I believe him??
Most of you people are looking at this from an Athiest's standpoint. Saying things like, "Does it make them wrong that they worshiped multiple Gods vs. One God?" People with faith have this mindset: My religion is right. If you expect a person with truly devout faith to say, "Well, I might be wrong", then it won't happen, because that defeats the purpose of faith. I'm a devout Christian, and I believe Christ will be coming back soon. And when he does, un-Christian's will basically be tossed into Hell, and the Christians live on His kingdom on Earth and are in Heaven. It may not be what you believe, and that's fine. But don't expect me to say, "That MIGHT Be what's going to happen", because if I said it might not, that'd be like saying, "I'm not sure of my religion", and I'm quite sure of that.
As for the evidence of Jesus' existance: The Shroud of Turin may (or may not, they don't have any definitely proof yet, mostly speculation and forsensic evidence) that it was the shroud that Jesus was wrapped in when he was buried. It has bloodstains that show crucifixation and a crown of thorns, as well as the spear wound Jesus was given to assure he was dead on the cross. There is other evidence as well, but all I'm going to say any more about Jesus' existance is this: Faith means I don't need evidence. I've felt God in me, and I believe in him whole-heartedly. So, even if there was absolutely zero evidence of Jesus, I would still believe in him just as strongly.
Also...as for Him hating the cross. The cross doesn't represent His crucifixion, it represents the salvation He granted us. So, I think that's why it's a symbol.
As for the evidence of Jesus' existance: The Shroud of Turin may (or may not, they don't have any definitely proof yet, mostly speculation and forsensic evidence) that it was the shroud that Jesus was wrapped in when he was buried. It has bloodstains that show crucifixation and a crown of thorns, as well as the spear wound Jesus was given to assure he was dead on the cross. There is other evidence as well, but all I'm going to say any more about Jesus' existance is this: Faith means I don't need evidence. I've felt God in me, and I believe in him whole-heartedly. So, even if there was absolutely zero evidence of Jesus, I would still believe in him just as strongly.
Also...as for Him hating the cross. The cross doesn't represent His crucifixion, it represents the salvation He granted us. So, I think that's why it's a symbol.
Also, the whole "If Hhe came back, He'd be jailed and mocked" thing... This time He's not here to live as a man, witness to us, and then die for us...He's here to send sinners to Hell, and estabilish His kingdom. So, we wouldn't have a chance to mock Him.
Anyone can spread rumors and the like....some fool could come along and say "hey you know, Jesus could have had an intimate relationship with Mary, heck, they could have had kids!"...another could say "Yes, I heard on tv that Jesus could have tricked those people bla bla bla"...yes, anything could have happened those thousands of years ago....unfortunatley all the crap people are fed about Jesus and his life and what COULD have happened hinder the real truth to people struggling to understand. Everything you need to know is in the Bible, even things about Jesus' life. Believe the media crap you see on tv about Jesus and Christianity. God is more concerned about the condition of your heart. I don't see why its so easy not to beleive and accept than it is to deny. Faith is a very simple thing that very few people seem to grasp.
Juggers said:
Ok can you tell me why you believe in god?