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If Jesus would return?
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rofl, yeah. Jesus would try and run all "honest" and stuff, and his opponents would drag him through the mud.Kal-el said:Dude, that was simply a "hypothetical situation". I don't actually think that he would run for a political office. Besides, how far on the political ladder do you think he would go with slogan's like "love your enemy?" And I don't think the Vatican would place all their riches at his disposal in a hurry.
"He doesn't wear anything under that robe."
"He gave out limitless old poisoned fish to children."
"He's a conservative."
Oh, the humanity.
Jesus is not God, you "Christians" need to get it str8. Im not saying ur Christian but I hear that "Jesus is God" all the time. They should read their commandments.
Second, there aren't many "Real" Christians in this country anymore. They claim to be but do things that oppose their beliefs. Hell most of these "Chrisitians" think the President is a Christian, the homosexual blood cult tyrant that he is.
If Jesus lived and somehow magically lived the life we think he did although the story has been told by every other society under a different name, he better bring about a renaissance.
Second, there aren't many "Real" Christians in this country anymore. They claim to be but do things that oppose their beliefs. Hell most of these "Chrisitians" think the President is a Christian, the homosexual blood cult tyrant that he is.
If Jesus lived and somehow magically lived the life we think he did although the story has been told by every other society under a different name, he better bring about a renaissance.
Duppi_KronKite said:Jesus is not God, you "Christians" need to get it str8. Im not saying ur Christian but I hear that "Jesus is God" all the time. They should read their commandments.
Second, there aren't many "Real" Christians in this country anymore. They claim to be but do things that oppose their beliefs. Hell most of these "Chrisitians" think the President is a Christian, the homosexual blood cult tyrant that he is.
If Jesus lived and somehow magically lived the life we think he did although the story has been told by every other society under a different name, he better bring about a renaissance.
Jesus, according to the Bible, is God....to say that he isn't God defies the whole Christian faith as it stands. He even proclaims to be God himself on top of everything else in the Bible. Believe it or not thats how it is.
Duppi_KronKite said:Jesus is not God, you "Christians" need to get it str8. Im not saying ur Christian but I hear that "Jesus is God" all the time. They should read their commandments.
Second, there aren't many "Real" Christians in this country anymore. They claim to be but do things that oppose their beliefs. Hell most of these "Chrisitians" think the President is a Christian, the homosexual blood cult tyrant that he is.
If Jesus lived and somehow magically lived the life we think he did although the story has been told by every other society under a different name, he better bring about a renaissance.
Okay...homosexual blood clut tyrant? ROFL
Also. Christ=God. Jesus was God on Earth in a human body. Commandments have nothing to do with that, by the way.
Also, I'm a real Christian, and I have several real Christian friends. Just FYI.
Duppi_KronKite said:Jesus is not God, you "Christians" need to get it str8. Im not saying ur Christian but I hear that "Jesus is God" all the time. They should read their commandments.
Second, there aren't many "Real" Christians in this country anymore. They claim to be but do things that oppose their beliefs. Hell most of these "Chrisitians" think the President is a Christian, the homosexual blood cult tyrant that he is.
If Jesus lived and somehow magically lived the life we think he did although the story has been told by every other society under a different name, he better bring about a renaissance.
That's very true. A vast majority of Christians actually believe the lie that George W Bush is Christian and holds conversations with "God." Please, first off, I don't believe in a "supernatural" entity, second off, if there is one, why would be talking to George W, instructing him to strike soveirgn nations and slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians? I think GWB is in denial, he seems to be confusing "God" and "Satan."
Kal-el said:I think GWB is in denial, he seems to be confusing "God" and "Satan."
He believes in something very different from the Christians to say the least. Read up on him and what blood cults he's sworn allegiance to.
Kal-el said:That's very true. A vast majority of Christians actually believe the lie that George W Bush is Christian and holds conversations with "God." Please, first off, I don't believe in a "supernatural" entity, second off, if there is one, why would be talking to George W, instructing him to strike soveirgn nations and slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians? I think GWB is in denial, he seems to be confusing "God" and "Satan."
Yes, I'm sure Bush sits down every day and goes, "God, should I slaughter civilians?"
He probably asks him for guidance and the strength to make the difficult decisions that he does have to make. None of us here can imagine the pressures involved in being the president, and none of us here know the complete 100% story. Also, why do you say it's a "lie" that he's a Christian? And what does your belief in God have to do with Bush being a Christian?
As my Commander and Chief, and me as a soldier, my comments about Bush are kept to a dull roar...but as a civilian, I can say that I don't fully understand or like the decisions he is making right now. As for him being a Christian, I don't really know. Anyone famous like him can say they are a Christian and thats just how it is. I truly hope that he is a Christian and that he prays for answers. But I suppose since Christan's are getting a bad name lately, it would be cooler to have a satanic president? Or some psycho president? Yeah, I guess the people would like that. People seem to think that darkness and evil are cool. Yeah Rock on.
Andithilion said:Yes, I'm sure Bush sits down every day and goes, "God, should I slaughter civilians?"
He probably asks him for guidance and the strength to make the difficult decisions that he does have to make. None of us here can imagine the pressures involved in being the president, and none of us here know the complete 100% story. Also, why do you say it's a "lie" that he's a Christian? And what does your belief in God have to do with Bush being a Christian?
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this is getting off track. We Didn't mean to put down our fearless leader.. *cough*chicken hawk, cheerleader, homosexual *cough*
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K I've had enough, enough with our President.. lets talk about the 2nd coming because you have proven that there was a 1st coming 100% right guys??
This topic was about Jesus and his return, and what would happen. It is imperative that we speak about the Bible because in the Bible is where the answers to this lie. Sure, I could make up something if I didn't know the true answers. He would return, some people would fall on there knees and start to warship him. Other people would curse at him as usual. Some people would try to kill him. There would be mass news coverage. All kinds of craziness. However...these would all be guesses.
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Let's tackle this one: "If you want history and FACTS from the bible you’re pretty screwed. Take the book of genesis for example. In the FIRST chapter, god creates Adam & Eve at the same time. In the second chapter of genesis, god creates Adam, Adam carries on by himself for a while naming the things in gods’ creation...the animals, invents pizza, etc. Then one day Adam gets lonely and comes to god about it. God then says to Adam basically, ok I’ll provide you with a mate, plucks one of Adams’ ribs sprinkles some magic dust over it and suddenly there’s Eve. Two separate stories in the same book of the bible? Hmm. Is this a case of two different people telling two different stories of the same idea in the holy book? Word of god vs. word of man. I’ve actually asked a pastor about this conflicting story situation here. He basically said something like “oh well that’s just two different versions of the same event.” Ok, I’ll play along. But don’t go and tell me in your next breath that I should take the bible literally word for word....or when it says such and such happened, it really happened."
First the Bible does have history and facts; lots of history and lots of facts. Just depends on what history you want and what facts you want. To make a statement that you are screwed if you want facts and history from the Bible says you are throwing it all out and nothing is fact. Truth is, it is an accurate book. You don’t just make a statement that the bible is all wrong. The history of Israel is recorded in the various books of the bible. The History of Israel can be verified to be accurate and compared to the bible it is the same. If you want me to make examples, I can and will.
The first chapter of Genesis this is what is recorded: Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis chapter two records the specifics of creation recorded in Chapter 1. Chapter 1 gives the overview and chapter two gives the specifics. Of course it is not two different people telling two different stories. Don’t make it hard. The problem with reading the bible with a closed mind is you don’t try and find honest answers. Chapter two is details. Made man of the dust of the ground; but didn’t make his helpmate until later. Adam was given the responsibility to name the animals. That does away with evolution that makes early man a grunting and ignorant ape. Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Now he finds that there is a male and female of all the animals etc, and no female for him. So, God makes a “helpmate” for him. The word helpmate means completer and he is now complete. That is God’s plan.
SWM, “Two separate stories in the same book of the bible” why not? One is more detail. You will find many accounts of the same thing in the bible. One tells it from one side, the other might tell it from a different angle so you get a better or different picture. Why is that so hard to understand or accept? The pastor that told you “He basically said something like “oh well that’s just two different versions of the same event.” He was right to a degree but not exactly. One is the account, one is the detail.
Why do you have such a problem with taking the bible literally…word for word? If it says it happened, it did. That is not blind faith either. Blind faith is believing something with no evidence.
When the bible talks of spiritual things it gives proof for them. The resurrection is one of those areas. Jesus rose from the dead. There is proof for the resurrection. You might not accept it but it was accepted by the early church. Jesus was seen by his disciples and over 500 others, many of who were alive at the time when many of the new testament books were written. They didn’t contest it because they knew it was true.
So much of the things that are leveled against Christianity are valid. In earlier posts men are shown to be wicked and call themselves Christians. They are not Christians as shown by their works/deeds. Yet people see this and the name of Christianity is smeared. There are bad people who claim to be Christians that are not, their actions and deeds are detestable, that is unfortunate. But it is a fact of life and true in every occupation or job as well. There are people who do right and live right and follow the Lord and bible principles. We are glad for them. Look at them and not at the hypocrites.
GS
First the Bible does have history and facts; lots of history and lots of facts. Just depends on what history you want and what facts you want. To make a statement that you are screwed if you want facts and history from the Bible says you are throwing it all out and nothing is fact. Truth is, it is an accurate book. You don’t just make a statement that the bible is all wrong. The history of Israel is recorded in the various books of the bible. The History of Israel can be verified to be accurate and compared to the bible it is the same. If you want me to make examples, I can and will.
The first chapter of Genesis this is what is recorded: Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis chapter two records the specifics of creation recorded in Chapter 1. Chapter 1 gives the overview and chapter two gives the specifics. Of course it is not two different people telling two different stories. Don’t make it hard. The problem with reading the bible with a closed mind is you don’t try and find honest answers. Chapter two is details. Made man of the dust of the ground; but didn’t make his helpmate until later. Adam was given the responsibility to name the animals. That does away with evolution that makes early man a grunting and ignorant ape. Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Now he finds that there is a male and female of all the animals etc, and no female for him. So, God makes a “helpmate” for him. The word helpmate means completer and he is now complete. That is God’s plan.
SWM, “Two separate stories in the same book of the bible” why not? One is more detail. You will find many accounts of the same thing in the bible. One tells it from one side, the other might tell it from a different angle so you get a better or different picture. Why is that so hard to understand or accept? The pastor that told you “He basically said something like “oh well that’s just two different versions of the same event.” He was right to a degree but not exactly. One is the account, one is the detail.
Why do you have such a problem with taking the bible literally…word for word? If it says it happened, it did. That is not blind faith either. Blind faith is believing something with no evidence.
When the bible talks of spiritual things it gives proof for them. The resurrection is one of those areas. Jesus rose from the dead. There is proof for the resurrection. You might not accept it but it was accepted by the early church. Jesus was seen by his disciples and over 500 others, many of who were alive at the time when many of the new testament books were written. They didn’t contest it because they knew it was true.
So much of the things that are leveled against Christianity are valid. In earlier posts men are shown to be wicked and call themselves Christians. They are not Christians as shown by their works/deeds. Yet people see this and the name of Christianity is smeared. There are bad people who claim to be Christians that are not, their actions and deeds are detestable, that is unfortunate. But it is a fact of life and true in every occupation or job as well. There are people who do right and live right and follow the Lord and bible principles. We are glad for them. Look at them and not at the hypocrites.
GS
Andithilion said:Yes, I'm sure Bush sits down every day and goes, "God, should I slaughter civilians?"
He probably asks him for guidance and the strength to make the difficult decisions that he does have to make. None of us here can imagine the pressures involved in being the president, and none of us here know the complete 100% story. Also, why do you say it's a "lie" that he's a Christian? And what does your belief in God have to do with Bush being a Christian?
You're absolutely correct, none of us here can even begin to comrehend the intense pressures of his decisions. With that being said, I'm sure he's smart.(sarcasm).He could be smarter than The wiggles or Barney,but that's as far as that goes. The OT's neandrathal adage of "eye for an eye" was indeed taught wrong by Jesus, and he replaced it on his famous "Sermon on the Mount" with a less famous message, "love your enemy". Your great President, who actually says he reads passages from the Bible every single morning, somewhow missed this pacifist message of Jesus.
And my belief has nothing to do with Bush falsly claiming he's a follower of Christ. I'm just trying to show how he's a demented, idiotic, illiterate,mangler of English, Hypocritical, jack***. Don't even get me started on his economic policies. (reverse robin-hood, etc)
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GS, wonder if you'd be interested in calling into the Infidel Guy show, he has a program called Bible Geek on at 4 PM EST on Sundays. Dr. Bob Price is the co-host and seems to know the bible well, I'm sure it would be interesting. www.infidelguy.com it's toll free, # on the main page.
So, you think the bible is literally true, word for word. Most Christians I know take much if it as metaphor or shoehorn it to fit with the world. Always interesting to see how others view reality...
So, you think the bible is literally true, word for word. Most Christians I know take much if it as metaphor or shoehorn it to fit with the world. Always interesting to see how others view reality...
Kraft said:GS, wonder if you'd be interested in calling into the Infidel Guy show, he has a program called Bible Geek on at 4 PM EST on Sundays. Dr. Bob Price is the co-host and seems to know the bible well, I'm sure it would be interesting. www.infidelguy.com it's toll free, # on the main page.
Fuck hey, you weren't kidding.. I clicked the link and the bloody page does exist...
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
If that's not some funny ass shit I must have lost my humour.
Side note: Those who think the bible is completely true word for word sadden me and they are dangerous to our nation. The book of Genesis has much that is true and prophecized but is more metaphors and symbols. If you read between the lines on that one you would see what Im talking about.
Kal-el said:With that being said, I'm sure he's smart.(sarcasm)
He scored over a 1200 on the SAT, graduated from Harvard. Just because he's not a good public speaker doesn't mean he's a moron. I'm tired of people concluding that. I'm not a good public speaker, but I could outwit anyone in my entire High School with my eyes closed.
Okay, anyway, back on topic...why are bible believers dangerous to the nation?
It's my belief that the world won't really be populated when he arrives. I think it's going to be: The seven years of tribulation, then a nuclear holocaust (or equivelent world-ending event), and then Jesus arrives, sending the remaining sinners to Hell, and ushering the REAL Christians into heaven/His kingdom on earth.
Andithilion said:He scored over a 1200 on the SAT, graduated from Harvard. Just because he's not a good public speaker doesn't mean he's a moron. I'm tired of people concluding that. I'm not a good public speaker, but I could outwit anyone in my entire High School with my eyes closed.
Okay, anyway, back on topic...why are bible believers dangerous to the nation?
It's my belief that the world won't really be populated when he arrives. I think it's going to be: The seven years of tribulation, then a nuclear holocaust (or equivelent world-ending event), and then Jesus arrives, sending the remaining sinners to Hell, and ushering the REAL Christians into heaven/His kingdom on earth.
Well, I could debunk that, but this is not the right place.I think bible believers are extremely dangerous to this nation, and the whole world. They use "God" as some amplyifying lever for revenge. As if to say we're all powerless pawns in some sort of "divine" game being played out. That is nonsense.
Kal-el said:I think bible believers are extremely dangerous to this nation, and the whole world. They use "God" as some amplyifying lever for revenge. As if to say we're all powerless pawns in some sort of "divine" game being played out. That is nonsense.
Just as many people use many other ridiculous things as leverage for revenge. Many people don't even have excuses for the atrocities they commit. Hitler's excuse for the Holocaust was that that Jews were the poeple causing Germany's many problems. (Fake) Christians are far from the only people to have pointless and idiotic excuses for atrocities.
Can a person read the Bible and learn to make a bomb? NO. Can a person read the Bible and learn to kill someone physically? NO. There are so many dangerous books out there, books of destruction, and yet the Bible is dangerous? Go read it. Read Proverbs, and find something dangerous. You won't. You will find wisdom. Heck, a science book is more dangerous than the Bible.
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