Gaing while NOT PE'ing?

[Vaseline_Knight]

Hey everyone,

I just started this thread to discuss the merit of the following statement:


"you gain on the days you rest"


Now as we all know that is true with bodybuilding, and nobody gains mass in the gym. you're however supposed to work your ass off at the gym and sweat, but you get your gains when your resting letting your body to recover. I think alotta people may not appreciate the rest in terms of its importance in gaining mass, which is why you see many people trying HARD in the gym and not getting results and blaming it on 'bad genes'.

now is it fair to say that one is to Penis Enlargement (including Hanging jelqing clamping etc.) 5 days a week to cause micro-tears and expansion only to gain on the rest days?


I think this can be a very beneficial discussion for everyone so I'm hoping everyone, including the vets will chip in to discuss this.

 

[DWTS00]

When you cause the micro tears and cell splitting you will grow overtime and you do need rest(most ppl do *like 99% of em*) like weight lifting most ppl will overtrain and lose strength and muscle mass if training 7days a week but arnold did that and look how he was..before you say steroids even people who are taking steroids shouldnt be working out 7 days a week theyre an aid not a magic drug...neway I do realize that the tissue down there is diff but it grows the slowest and Im not sure about recovery IMHO I say give a day or 2 off possibly alternation like 6 days on 1 days off then 5 days on 2 days off and make sure there is 24 hrs between the sessions like dont do it 11 pm one day and then do it 11 am the next or whatever stick to the time as much as you can

as for the weight lifting part alot of people thing more is better which is not true 99% of the time...unless theyre pure mesomorph have nothing to do but to look good for a living have one helluva nutrition/supplement/roid program and have no stress in their life then yeah rofl

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

When you cause the micro tears and cell splitting you will grow overtime and you do need rest(most ppl do *like 99% of em*) like weight lifting most ppl will overtrain and lose strength and muscle mass if training 7days a week but arnold did that and look how he was..before you say steroids even people who are taking steroids shouldnt be working out 7 days a week theyre an aid not a magic drug...neway I do realize that the tissue down there is diff but it grows the slowest and Im not sure about recovery IMHO I say give a day or 2 off possibly alternation like 6 days on 1 days off then 5 days on 2 days off and make sure there is 24 hrs between the sessions like dont do it 11 pm one day and then do it 11 am the next or whatever stick to the time as much as you can

as for the weight lifting part alot of people thing more is better which is not true 99% of the time...unless theyre pure mesomorph have nothing to do but to look good for a living have one helluva nutrition/supplement/roid program and have no stress in their life then yeah rofl

ya I used to rigidly follow the 5 on 2 off routine. But i haven't rested at all since I started hanging, and ofcourse, no gains as of yet. Do you guys think its possible to gain from resting?

 

[millionman]

There is much that could be said about this particular topic. DLD is one of the biggest growers and he trained everyday. Bib hung everyday, and there are others like BG over at Thunder's who talks about clampathons and never letting it turtle.

In view of the different areas that you work, length or girth, then rest can be seen a bit more clearly. Length it is a good idea to fatigue the fibers daily, but it is a relative term to be fatigued. Hanging heavy for numerous days consecutively is not the best idea, in fact it can lead to injuries such as skin tearing and severe bruising. Manuals are the same way in general, if you pull extra hard one day then the tissue will be a bit more pliable the next day and the same amount of force could again, possibly lead to injury. Length work can generally be done more frequently and with a higher "load", meaning amount of weight/pull and also volume.

Girth is a bit more general. There are markers for overtraining with girth, a few being erection strength, fluid buildup, bruisining, and desire is also a big one to consider. Girth for most guys can be done everyday as well, but the catch is not to push everyday to the maximum degree of intenisty. You can clamp everyday if you simply apply the clamp and trap the blood in the penis. If you clamp everyday performing three-four rotations of different squeezes striving for maximum engorgement then you are going to over train and have erection problems. The point of all of this is to say that one of the keys to Penis Enlargementing and being consistent is understanding how to vary the intensity with which you attack your sessions. If you're feeling extra horny then have an intense session, but if you're stressed and pressed for time then do some nice slow jelqs to get the blood moving a bit. It's pretty simple as far as it goes, but it's about knowing your own penis.

It has also been discussed at length about long breaks, also known as deconditioning breaks. These work very well for someone who gets stressed out, pressed for time on a daily basis, or just needs a break. I can say that a break of more than 4 weeks did help my gains. I took a nice long mental break from Penis Enlargement, worrying about my penis, and just enjoying everyday life and I came back ready to work and my penis grew from it. I have consistently gained after that long break, and will probably take another long break here soon. Deconditioning breaks are generally good in all aspects, from lifting weights, dieting, work, school, and most of us don't consider the time off we have for vacation a time to decondition but that's all it is. It's a time to get away from things, even if it's just one area, and enjoy being free for a time.

The benefits to taking a break during the week could primarily be mental, but I believe there are benefits to taking breaks physiologically. The tissues will repair to an extent over a 24 hour period, but not to the extent of being completely healed. This is a time for the metabolic wastes from the tissue trauma to be removed and the body can begin to repair the "damage". This break would allow for the erection to be strong consistently after a day off as the tissues will not be as soft as if they had just been worked. This would help with workout consitency, and keep things interesting and from being in a grind all the time.

Generally speaking breaks are good, and most people could use one. Maybe not necessarily on a schedule but based on how they feel on a given day. I've used this type of method for a while, and I can say that I have more on days than off, but I can also say that my sessions are very productive and are getting me where I want to be. I enjoy my sessions as much on a jelq only day, as when I perform 15 Supra Slammers. It's really mostly about perspective and knowing how you feel.

 

[oliver]

I think after expanding your dick everyday, eventually it sticks after a routine.

I think rest isnt that big of a factor.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

There is much that could be said about this particular topic. DLD is one of the biggest growers and he trained everyday. Bib hung everyday, and there are others like BG over at Thunder's who talks about clampathons and never letting it turtle.

In view of the different areas that you work, length or girth, then rest can be seen a bit more clearly. Length it is a good idea to fatigue the fibers daily, but it is a relative term to be fatigued. Hanging heavy for numerous days consecutively is not the best idea, in fact it can lead to injuries such as skin tearing and severe bruising. Manuals are the same way in general, if you pull extra hard one day then the tissue will be a bit more pliable the next day and the same amount of force could again, possibly lead to injury. Length work can generally be done more frequently and with a higher "load", meaning amount of weight/pull and also volume.

Girth is a bit more general. There are markers for overtraining with girth, a few being erection strength, fluid buildup, bruisining, and desire is also a big one to consider. Girth for most guys can be done everyday as well, but the catch is not to push everyday to the maximum degree of intenisty. You can clamp everyday if you simply apply the clamp and trap the blood in the penis. If you clamp everyday performing three-four rotations of different squeezes striving for maximum engorgement then you are going to over train and have erection problems. The point of all of this is to say that one of the keys to Penis Enlargementing and being consistent is understanding how to vary the intensity with which you attack your sessions. If you're feeling extra horny then have an intense session, but if you're stressed and pressed for time then do some nice slow jelqs to get the blood moving a bit. It's pretty simple as far as it goes, but it's about knowing your own penis.

It has also been discussed at length about long breaks, also known as deconditioning breaks. These work very well for someone who gets stressed out, pressed for time on a daily basis, or just needs a break. I can say that a break of more than 4 weeks did help my gains. I took a nice long mental break from Penis Enlargement, worrying about my penis, and just enjoying everyday life and I came back ready to work and my penis grew from it. I have consistently gained after that long break, and will probably take another long break here soon. Deconditioning breaks are generally good in all aspects, from lifting weights, dieting, work, school, and most of us don't consider the time off we have for vacation a time to decondition but that's all it is. It's a time to get away from things, even if it's just one area, and enjoy being free for a time.

The benefits to taking a break during the week could primarily be mental, but I believe there are benefits to taking breaks physiologically. The tissues will repair to an extent over a 24 hour period, but not to the extent of being completely healed. This is a time for the metabolic wastes from the tissue trauma to be removed and the body can begin to repair the "damage". This break would allow for the erection to be strong consistently after a day off as the tissues will not be as soft as if they had just been worked. This would help with workout consitency, and keep things interesting and from being in a grind all the time.

Generally speaking breaks are good, and most people could use one. Maybe not necessarily on a schedule but based on how they feel on a given day. I've used this type of method for a while, and I can say that I have more on days than off, but I can also say that my sessions are very productive and are getting me where I want to be. I enjoy my sessions as much on a jelq only day, as when I perform 15 Supra Slammers. It's really mostly about perspective and knowing how you feel.

Great post. I'm glad you mentioned that 'hanging heavy day after day isn't a good idea', because that's what I have been doing and I'm at EXTREME fatigue, to the point of slight pain in the ligs near the end of a set.

I agree with you about the deconditioning periods, and I agree that they can be beneficial. Penis Enlargement has just become such a big thing in life that when i don't do it i feel something's missing.

 

[goldmember]

Great post. I'm glad you mentioned that 'hanging heavy day after day isn't a good idea', because that's what I have been doing and I'm at EXTREME fatigue, to the point of slight pain in the ligs near the end of a set.

Vas,

That doesn't sound like EXTREME fatigue, in fact it sounds kinda like right where you wanna be man. If your penis is CONSTANTLY 24/7 feeling like how you described, then that may be time to take a day off or only go a couple light sets for a couple of days, but slight pain in the ligs near the end of a set is ideal, and when you continue to hang by adding sets while in this state, is what some refer to as 'riding the fatigue'. BIB preaches that this is one of the keys to gaining.

I think MM made an excellent post by the way. I think he is right when saying that length can be trained every day (for most people) while girth may be best going three days a week as an intense session, go light three days, and take a day off. Maybe Mon, Wed, Fri as intense; Tue, Thu, Sat as light; and Sunday as rest. However, if hanging for length, I would NEVER go intense on a girth session because this will promote fluid buildup and make hanging less productive.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Vas,

That doesn't sound like EXTREME fatigue, in fact it sounds kinda like right where you wanna be man. If your penis is CONSTANTLY 24/7 feeling like how you described, then that may be time to take a day off or only go a couple light sets for a couple of days, but slight pain in the ligs near the end of a set is ideal, and when you continue to hang by adding sets while in this state, is what some refer to as 'riding the fatigue'. BIB preaches that this is one of the keys to gaining.

I think MM made an excellent post by the way. I think he is right when saying that length can be trained every day (for most people) while girth may be best going three days a week as an intense session, go light three days, and take a day off. Maybe Mon, Wed, Fri as intense; Tue, Thu, Sat as light; and Sunday as rest. However, if hanging for length, I would NEVER go intense on a girth session because this will promote fluid buildup and make hanging less productive.

gold,

Usually I can hang 4-6 sets of 20 mins at my max weight. right now I can hang maybe 10-15 mins at max and i have to drop the weight. and when I'm not hanging my ligs are still sore, sometimes to the point of slight shooting pain. It's quite wierd, I tried feeling the parts that hurt with a circular massaging motion with my fingers and i could for the first time feel these ligaments, but in a lumped/loose manner while being flacid and not stretched.

I think maybe a day or two of rest in this state can be beneficial. I'll see if tmrw i feel the same, i'll take 2 days off.

and for some reason, lately I don't get fluid build up after girth work. none what so ever, and my girth routine is as intense as ever and I'm sore after the end of the girth work.?

 

[goldmember]

Try taking two days off from GIRTH WORK ONLY, and see if that affects your situation at all. Continue to hang during these two days, and if you notice that there is improvement, you may wish to stop doing the girth work indefinitely. However, if the situation does not improve, I think it is safe to say that girth work is OK for you to do, so long as it is done after hanging.

As far as having to drop weight after one set (or start with less weight), this is ideal! According to BIB, this is how you know you've reached an effective level of fatigue that is good for gains. Remember, riding the fatigue is the key to length. Bodybuilding and Penis Enlargement are not analagous in every aspect...for length gains OVERTRAINING is necessary to gain, otherwise you will just be strengthening the ligs and not effectively breaking them down. By allowing the ligs full recovery, they are just getting tougher and not lengthening much (if at all). I think it would be OK to take a break if you think it is necessary, but the feeling you describe sounds to be exactly what you are after. Try PM'ing BIB and see what he says about this. He usually is quick to respond, and has no hesitation to answering your email.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Try taking two days off from GIRTH WORK ONLY, and see if that affects your situation at all. Continue to hang during these two days, and if you notice that there is improvement, you may wish to stop doing the girth work indefinitely. However, if the situation does not improve, I think it is safe to say that girth work is OK for you to do, so long as it is done after hanging.

As far as having to drop weight after one set (or start with less weight), this is ideal! According to BIB, this is how you know you've reached an effective level of fatigue that is good for gains. Remember, riding the fatigue is the key to length. Bodybuilding and Penis Enlargement are not analagous in every aspect...for length gains OVERTRAINING is necessary to gain, otherwise you will just be strengthening the ligs and not effectively breaking them down. By allowing the ligs full recovery, they are just getting tougher and not lengthening much (if at all). I think it would be OK to take a break if you think it is necessary, but the feeling you describe sounds to be exactly what you are after. Try PM'ing BIB and see what he says about this. He usually is quick to respond, and has no hesitation to answering your email.

I will do what you said. and I'll let you on what happens.

in the meantime, for the benefit of others, if any1 could post their views on resting and gaining because of that rest, it would great!.

 

[nobody]

I have absolutely no experience with hanging so I can't speak for that aspect of this thread. As to girth work I clamp every day for an hour straight with constant bends and compressions after the first twenty minutes (aided by steel plates made from coasters). I actually try to do two of these sessions daily, up to three or four when time permits. I take a day off after around a month if I start to to get weak erections. I am just starting to do manual stretching again after taking most of last year off. I love clamping but I get real lazy when it comes to stretching. I know if I had kept my stretching up to snuff I'd be over 8" in length. I believe 110% in DLD's principal of skipping rest days for the most part, once your cock becomes conditioned (my opinion:after 4-5 months of dedicated pe).

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I have absolutely no experience with hanging so I can't speak for that aspect of this thread. As to girth work I clamp every day for an hour straight with constant bends and compressions after the first twenty minutes (aided by steel plates made from coasters). I actually try to do two of these sessions daily, up to three or four when time permits. I take a day off after around a month if I start to to get weak erections. I am just starting to do manual stretching again after taking most of last year off. I love clamping but I get real lazy when it comes to stretching. I know if I had kept my stretching up to snuff I'd be over 8" in length. I believe 110% in DLD's principal of skipping rest days for the most part, once your cock becomes conditioned (my opinion:after 4-5 months of dedicated pe).

Thanks for your input.
and how have your gains been both in length and girth? (i.e. what was your starting stats)


keep the inputs comming guys.

 

[Bionic]

I agree with taking rest days for manual Penis Enlargement and girth work, however, I believe that [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]/hanging should be done w/o breaks. My reasoning for this is that when it is done in a medical enviornment, due to injury or surgery, no rest days are prescribed. It is done continuously until the desired result is achieved. I believe that [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]'s are key but I've yet to find one that I can stand to wear AD, as it were. This way, you keep the penis extended using less weight so that it can heal in an elongated state when you are not hanging.

As for manuals and girth work, I believe that 1 on/1 off may be the way to go. But I don't think that length and girth should be worked at the same time. It sends mixed messages to the brain. I know that sounds a bit odd but it's like if you were to use an electric massager on, let's say, your glutes while at the same time, giving yourself an injection, the brain can only process one sensation at a time so you will only feel one or the other. Never both. It can also be compared to building muscle while burning fat at the same time. While it is possible to an extent, you will not gain large amounts of muscle or lose large amounts of fat because the brain/body gets confused. This is why bber's always either bulk or cut for a set amount of time. This allows them to maximize on each effort. This may be key to further development. Also, I don't see it spoken about alot anymore but I think it is much more valuable than you all realize. That is heating your penis to 113 degrees farenheit/45 degrees celcius. Just look at the research on far infrared light. It does all of the things that we wish to accomplish. I think it fell out of favor by most due to lack of results which I feel may have been due to not heating up to the proper temps. I bought a small pocket-size no-touch thermometer to ensure that I was getting the right temp and it worked well. It actually looks like I have a whole different penis (In a good way.) Hope this helps.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I agree with taking rest days for manual Penis Enlargement and girth work, however, I believe that [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words]/hanging should be done w/o breaks. My reasoning for this is that when it is done in a medical enviornment, due to injury or surgery, no rest days are prescribed. It is done continuously until the desired result is achieved. I believe that [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]'s are key but I've yet to find one that I can stand to wear AD, as it were. This way, you keep the penis extended using less weight so that it can heal in an elongated state when you are not hanging.

As for manuals and girth work, I believe that 1 on/1 off may be the way to go. But I don't think that length and girth should be worked at the same time. It sends mixed messages to the brain. I know that sounds a bit odd but it's like if you were to use an electric massager on, let's say, your glutes while at the same time, giving yourself an injection, the brain can only process one sensation at a time so you will only feel one or the other. Never both. It can also be compared to building muscle while burning fat at the same time. While it is possible to an extent, you will not gain large amounts of muscle or lose large amounts of fat because the brain/body gets confused. This is why bber's always either bulk or cut for a set amount of time. This allows them to maximize on each effort. This may be key to further development. Also, I don't see it spoken about alot anymore but I think it is much more valuable than you all realize. That is heating your penis to 113 degrees farenheit/45 degrees celcius. Just look at the research on far infrared light. It does all of the things that we wish to accomplish. I think it fell out of favor by most due to lack of results which I feel may have been due to not heating up to the proper temps. I bought a small pocket-size no-touch thermometer to ensure that I was getting the right temp and it worked well. It actually looks like I have a whole different penis (In a good way.) Hope this helps.

thanks for ur input.

I however disagree with the building muscle/burning fat anology as regards to length and girth. It may very well be what you said, but building muscle and burning fat have completely different mechanics, even though many bodybuilders recently are lean bulking, hence doing both at the same time. but adding girth and length are both the same. gaining a larger CC and Tunica (as well as lig lengths). whats different is the direction of the growth.

 

[goldmember]

thanks for ur input.

I however disagree with the building muscle/burning fat anology as regards to length and girth. It may very well be what you said, but building muscle and burning fat have completely different mechanics, even though many bodybuilders recently are lean bulking, hence doing both at the same time. but adding girth and length are both the same. gaining a larger CC and Tunica (as well as lig lengths). whats different is the direction of the growth.

Good reply. Using the fat loss/muscle gain analogy does not fit, although I do agree with his approach (one goal at a time). Girth work expands the tunica laterally, while length work stretches it (or ligs, depending on angle).

The fat loss/ muscle gain problem is because in order to lose fat, you must be deprived of calories. In order to gain muscle, you must have an excess of calories...obviously a conflict of needs. Gaining muscle also requires high levels of sex hormones, thyroid hormone, insulin, and growth hormone. Low-calorie dieting LOWERS all of these hormones, so again, a conflict of needs. Not that VAS needs clarification on this, but for whoever cares to know

Good luck Vas, keep gaining!

 

[Formysweetie]

Suppose you were trying to become more flexible. Not trying to gain muscle. Would you stretch one day and lay off the next? Just wondering.

It seems to me that muscle-building and penis building are two different things. A penis isn't a "muscle." it cannot be made stronger, and by so-doing, made bigger. It has to be mechanically stretched and engorged repeatedly, so often that it expands.

Is there proof that you actually increase the cellular numbers in your cavernosa? You probably just increase the size of the cells. But the ligaments and tunica might fill in with additional cells. Still, we don't know that for sure.

The reason some people increase more than others might be because they have more cells/cu. in than someone else. In that, the effect is the same as weight lifting. But the technique is totally different. You don't grow muscle by stretching it, clamping it, and mechanically engorging it, artificially. You grow muscle by forcing it to wear it out and the body replaces it with larger cells. That's why you have to rest. But is this the way that you grow a penis?

Do the African natives takes the rings off their necks and rest 3 days/week? Just wondering.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Gold thanks for the reply, I agree with what you said.

As you know I'm 'trying' to go at length and girth at the same time. who knows maybe i'll succeed, and maybe i wont and I'll be the same place I am a couple of months from now and my hard head will have learnt by then to either go after length or girth, lol. but that's what Penis Enlargement's about; not just doing someone else's routines and findings, but pushing the status quo everyday.

Suppose you were trying to become more flexible. Not trying to gain muscle. Would you stretch one day and lay off the next? Just wondering.

It seems to me that muscle-building and penis building are two different things. A penis isn't a "muscle." it cannot be made stronger, and by so-doing, made bigger. It has to be mechanically stretched and engorged repeatedly, so often that it expands.

Is there proof that you actually increase the cellular numbers in your cavernosa? You probably just increase the size of the cells. But the ligaments and tunica might fill in with additional cells. Still, we don't know that for sure.

The reason some people increase more than others might be because they have more cells/cu. in than someone else. In that, the effect is the same as weight lifting. But the technique is totally different. You don't grow muscle by stretching it, clamping it, and mechanically engorging it, artificially. You grow muscle by forcing it to wear it out and the body replaces it with larger cells. That's why you have to rest. But is this the way that you grow a penis?

Do the African natives takes the rings off their necks and rest 3 days/week? Just wondering.

and a Very good reply here. I'd love to hear some people respond to this. In some recent readings I saw claims that during Penis Enlargement no new cells are actually created in CC and CS but are simply expanded. Any input on this?

 

[Bionic]

You guys are right! My bad!!! LMAO! I didn't mean to imply that the same mechanisms of losing fat and gaining muscle came into play with Penis Enlargement. I just meant to point out that one should pick one goal and then when it is achieved, move on to the next goal. But as for "lean-bulking" you cannot add large amounts of muscle w/o gaining fat. That type of thing may be good for the "regular joe" types of bbers but the pros don't mess around w/that. It's full steam ahed w/the bulk then the same deal w/the cut. Lean-bulking is for the gym-rat w/no aspirations to compete on a pro-level. But that is neither here nor there. I'm very interested in hearing other theories on the Penis Enlargement front. Good stuff, guys!

 

[millionman]

One of the big problems you run into when talking about Pro BBers v. everyone else is the huge amount of research that shows you can add lean body mass in solid quantities (5-10lbs over 6 weeks) and not gain huge amounts of fat, in fact in the research it is shown that the people actually got leaner.

As far as Penis Enlargement I would go for one objective, or limiting factor and go from there. If you want length, focus on gaining length and possibly doing some moderate jelqing to aid with increased blood flow and erection quality. Go for girth then length is going to be possible only if you use an ADH, as intense girth sessions really cause fluid buildup. Try it an see, but I would consider very strongly going for one then the other. Pumping with manuals is a good way to get both length and girth at the same time. I'm getting my pump this week so I will be able to report back on this subject directly in about a month or two.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

You guys are right! My bad!!! LMAO! I didn't mean to imply that the same mechanisms of losing fat and gaining muscle came into play with Penis Enlargement. I just meant to point out that one should pick one goal and then when it is achieved, move on to the next goal. But as for "lean-bulking" you cannot add large amounts of muscle w/o gaining fat. That type of thing may be good for the "regular joe" types of bbers but the pros don't mess around w/that. It's full steam ahed w/the bulk then the same deal w/the cut. Lean-bulking is for the gym-rat w/no aspirations to compete on a pro-level. But that is neither here nor there. I'm very interested in hearing other theories on the Penis Enlargement front. Good stuff, guys!

Actually I'm a professional natural bodybuilder. (I have a platuea usually around 210 and cant get heavier than that, but at 5-6% I hold my own on the stage. thats the price of being natural. ) anyways, The majority of pro builders I know now (steroid or not) are lean bulking. To bulk up dirty and cut down the way bb'ers used to is old business.

And I assure you, I'm nowhere close to a gym rat, some members here have seen some of my pictures.

 

[Bionic]

Actually I'm a professional natural bodybuilder. (I have a platuea usually around 210 and cant get heavier than that, but at 5-6% I hold my own on the stage. thats the price of being natural. ) anyways, The majority of pro builders I know now (steroid or not) are lean bulking. To bulk up dirty and cut down the way bb'ers used to is old business.

And I assure you, I'm nowhere close to a gym rat, some members here have seen some of my pictures.

Look, I don't care who you are or what you're on, if you are bulking, you are taking in above maintenance calories and you WILL GAIN FAT. Period. And no one ever said anything about bulking "dirty," either. More calories in than out = muscle and fat gain.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Look, I don't care who you are or what you're on, if you are bulking, you are taking in above maintenance calories and you WILL GAIN FAT. Period. And no one ever said anything about bulking "dirty," either. More calories in than out = muscle and fat gain.

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong.

so you're telling me, that if some1 was to consume, 4000 calories from whey protein isolate (yes i know thats quite a bit of shakes, but possible), that he/she is going to get fat?

no my friend. calories are not just calories. we have good cals and bad cals. to bulk up u need fat and carbs. but the more complex carbs, if taken only during the day, and post workout, will never be enough to over staturate the glycogen levels, which will inturn over flow and be stored into fat. with a selective diet, all the big builders these days including coleman and cutler, are lean bulking, cuz bulking up and gaining alot of fat and then cutting down is just way to innefficient.


anyways, u can have ur opion, and its the opinion many bodybuilders still hold, because its the classical idea of how to do things.


back to the topic of the post.

 

[millionman]

Start a new thread over in the BB section. Interesting topic to discuss.

As far as the thread goes, I have noticed on breaks that the first few days off my penis doesn't feel the same in fact I'd say I felt small. After about a week things seem to get a lot better, erection quality improves, not on sensory overload from having to have a session everyday, and generally in a better frame of mind. During this time after the first few days I can say that the growth from the previous sessions is apparent, and so I guess you could say that you do "gain" while on break.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Start a new thread over in the BB section. Interesting topic to discuss.

As far as the thread goes, I have noticed on breaks that the first few days off my penis doesn't feel the same in fact I'd say I felt small. After about a week things seem to get a lot better, erection quality improves, not on sensory overload from having to have a session everyday, and generally in a better frame of mind. During this time after the first few days I can say that the growth from the previous sessions is apparent, and so I guess you could say that you do "gain" while on break.

yes i have noticed that too, its as if the penis actually builds up after a break of 2 days? thanks for ur input.

 

[EVO]

i think its worth mentioning that i just had the weekend off pe totally. thats 2 days. on monday (yday) it was the thickest ive ever felt it, with more veins

 

[IXL]

After 2 days rest I noticed the ribs in my penis being more prominent.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

After 2 days rest I noticed the ribs in my penis being more prominent.

yes it seems to be consistent. I guess you can break down/ stretch the tissue in the penis all you want, but you wont see the results after those 2 days of rest.

 

[nobody]

Thanks for your input.
and how have your gains been both in length and girth? (i.e. what was your starting stats)


keep the inputs comming guys.

Just over an an inch gain in both length and girth.

 

[icecam]

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong.

so you're telling me, that if some1 was to consume, 4000 calories from whey protein isolate (yes i know thats quite a bit of shakes, but possible), that he/she is going to get fat?

no he will not get FAT he will gain FAT. if some was to take in 4000 cals of protein that is equal to 1000g of protein.

which is just fucking insane.

protein is abosrbed into the body as much as it is needed. once the protein is broken down you either shit the rest out or it gets stored as fat.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

no he will not get FAT he will gain FAT. if some was to take in 4000 cals of protein that is equal to 1000g of protein.

which is just fucking insane.

protein is abosrbed into the body as much as it is needed. once the protein is broken down you either shit the rest out or it gets stored as fat.

well you are partially correct.

First you're correct that it would be roughly 1000 g (more like 900g).
and You are also correct that the amount of protein used by the body will be used to repair the body, as well as some being broken down to simple amino acids for other bodily functions and the rest will be flushed out of your system.


However, you are completely wrong that protein will be converted or stored as fat. The body, through the use of insulin, can convert excess carbohydrates in the blood stream (either unused glycogen or just excess unused carbs which couldn't be absorbed by the already saturated muscels) into glucose. The body can ONLY, convert glucose into fat and store it as fat.

It's interesting that the body can never convert NOR store protein as fat. What's more intersting is that it can't even store FAT as fat. Whether you have polyunsaturated fats or saturated fatty acids, the body will have to use and then flush them out. This is ofcourse the principle behind the low carb, high protein high fat diets like Dr. Atkin's diet.

So in conclusion: No, you absolutely can't get fat from a 4000g/day protein diet.

(even though you're right and thats a huge amount and you'd soon have problems with you kidneys)

 

[icecam]

well you are partially correct.

First you're correct that it would be roughly 1000 g (more like 900g).
and You are also correct that the amount of protein used by the body will be used to repair the body, as well as some being broken down to simple amino acids for other bodily functions and the rest will be flushed out of your system.


However, you are completely wrong that protein will be converted or stored as fat. The body, through the use of insulin, can convert excess carbohydrates in the blood stream (either unused glycogen or just excess unused carbs which couldn't be absorbed by the already saturated muscels) into glucose. The body can ONLY, convert glucose into fat and store it as fat.

It's interesting that the body can never convert NOR store protein as fat. What's more intersting is that it can't even store FAT as fat. Whether you have polyunsaturated fats or saturated fatty acids, the body will have to use and then flush them out. This is ofcourse the principle behind the low carb, high protein high fat diets like Dr. Atkin's diet.

So in conclusion: No, you absolutely can't get fat from a 4000g/day protein diet.

(even though you're right and thats a huge amount and you'd soon have problems with you kidneys)

shit so you are i got mixed up with the protein and carb breakdown.

 

[Huxley]

I was having trouble maintaing erections during long sessions of double jelq and bends so I decided to take a few days off to give it a rest after almost non stop for 10 weeks. I did phase 1 for 6 weeks, and phase 2 for 4 weeks and measured. Then after 3 days off I decided to measure again and found that my girth had actually increased. Now Im going to incorporate days off into my routine, probably go sunday to thursday and take friday/sat off. And throw in an extra few days off every 4 weeks or so.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I was having trouble maintaing erections during long sessions of double jelq and bends so I decided to take a few days off to give it a rest after almost non stop for 10 weeks. I did phase 1 for 6 weeks, and phase 2 for 4 weeks and measured. Then after 3 days off I decided to measure again and found that my girth had actually increased. Now Im going to incorporate days off into my routine, probably go sunday to thursday and take friday/sat off. And throw in an extra few days off every 4 weeks or so.

ya alotta people even recommend taking a full week off after a a good 4 week Penis Enlargement routine to maximize gains.

 

[J.J.]

Well, I'm not as experienced as some of you guys yet (although I've gained 0.8 inch in lenght until now) but I can say I didn't do pe in december due to being busy etc. and when I resumed my training beginning of January I had gained exactly 0.2 inch in lenght.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Well, I'm not as experienced as some of you guys yet (although I've gained 0.8 inch in lenght until now) but I can say I didn't do pe in december due to being busy etc. and when I resumed my training beginning of January I had gained exactly 0.2 inch in lenght.

very nice.

and how often were u Penis Enlargement'ing before you took that break?

 

[NewGuy311]

I myself noticed a little less than a .25 gain when i was peing hardcore and was getting shitty erections. I was 7.25 nbp at the time, and when i was peing like i was, i was barely reaching 7, and my erections were real spongy and along with all that i developed a t-vein. That all realy me, so I stopped, and withen the 2nd week of being off my routine, my erections started coming back, and i hit close to 7.4 nbp, but im gonna say 7.3. It was over 7.2which was my best measurment to date. Not much, but a gain is a gain. Im still taking a break and im gonna get back into it soon. I got a question though, if you take off from your routine, would wearing something like a ring to improve flaccid size be ok while your taking time off or should you be completely off?

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

I myself noticed a little less than a .25 gain when i was peing hardcore and was getting shitty erections. I was 7.25 nbp at the time, and when i was peing like i was, i was barely reaching 7, and my erections were real spongy and along with all that i developed a t-vein. That all realy me, so I stopped, and withen the 2nd week of being off my routine, my erections started coming back, and i hit close to 7.4 nbp, but im gonna say 7.3. It was over 7.2which was my best measurment to date. Not much, but a gain is a gain. Im still taking a break and im gonna get back into it soon. I got a question though, if you take off from your routine, would wearing something like a ring to improve flaccid size be ok while your taking time off or should you be completely off?

well if ur talking about the Ring of Power (RoP), I don't know much about it. but as a rule of thumb, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] is even recommended to be worn during 'off' periods, so you can heal in an extended state.

I personally have yet to find an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that is truely an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]All Day Stretcher[/words]. most of them are soo uncomfortable. Penis stretchers and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] devices are a total waste of money in my opinion.

 

[NewGuy311]

well if ur talking about the Ring of Power (RoP), I don't know much about it. but as a rule of thumb, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] is even recommended to be worn during 'off' periods, so you can heal in an extended state.

I personally have yet to find an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that is truely an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]All Day Stretcher[/words]. most of them are soo uncomfortable. Penis stretchers and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] devices are a total waste of money in my opinion.

Thanks man thats exactly what i wanted to know man. I dont want to buy anything like a stretcher, i was talking about something that keeps your flacid clamped throughout the day and in an extended period. I went out and got clamps and stuff and thats something im gonna try soon to improve flaccid hang.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Thanks man thats exactly what i wanted to know man. I dont want to buy anything like a stretcher, i was talking about something that keeps your flacid clamped throughout the day and in an extended period. I went out and got clamps and stuff and thats something im gonna try soon to improve flaccid hang.

sounds good
let us know how that goes
I would just becareful with not restricting too much blood flow

 

[DLD]

I think penile massage on off days will not only speed recovery but will lend to the gaining process. I have an incredible massage I use, I will get it up asap.

 

[NewGuy311]

sounds good
let us know how that goes
I would just becareful with not restricting too much blood flow

Will do man, and i dont intend to do anything like that. I just want to do it so my flaccid doesnt shrivvle up and stays extended throughout the entire day. I only give it time to rest during sleep at night. Also, 1 last question. I do alot of hard stretching, couldnt jelq cause of the t-vein but i can now. Would jelquing be ok on off days aswell? Im not talking alot, like 150-200 maximum.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Will do man, and i dont intend to do anything like that. I just want to do it so my flaccid doesnt shrivvle up and stays extended throughout the entire day. I only give it time to rest during sleep at night. Also, 1 last question. I do alot of hard stretching, couldnt jelq cause of the t-vein but i can now. Would jelquing be ok on off days aswell? Im not talking alot, like 150-200 maximum.

well jelqing is very broad. It really depends on your level of engorgement and the tightness of your grip.100-200 'light' jelqs at about 50% errection will act as a means of enhancing blood flow, and if you keep it light enough, it may even speed up your T-vein recovery. But as soon as the internal pressure withing the penile chambers increases, you have a whole different story. So if you jelq on off days, let it be VERY light, even though i'd rather completely leave it alone.

I think penile massage on off days will not only speed recovery but will lend to the gaining process. I have an incredible massage I use, I will get it up asap.

Hey DLD, whats your views on Penile ballooning? Dr. Lin (the person that made up the whole ballooning stuff) says that you are to masturbate and hold back ejaculation at least 3-6 times, and then massage your shaft, and penis base and 'root' (i guess inner penis). He says doing this will promote the inner penis to come out.

What do you think of this? I've been meaning to ask you for a while.

 

[millionman]

Dr. Lin is an ardtard (retard). Balooning is a solid practice which has been written about here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], and is part of the exercise progression during Supra Slammer but it's called Edging. It works very well, but you can do without the massage part and just perform high intensity squeezes once you're at 100%+ erection level. In some circles edging or balooning is called getting into the "heat" phase of the erection which swells the member to over 100% erection and that this added size is why edging works so well. Lots of hormonal and other chemical reactions going on that cause this reaction, but it is well worth the self control to utilize it as a way of making the penis bigger. Since going back to Supra Slammers I've jumped about .25" in girth and a bit in length.

On off days I would do just that, I would be OFF. Let everything calm down a bit and get your mind right once or twice a week and just relax. Penis Enlargement will be there the next day, and as we all should know by now that a huge penis wasn't built in a day. I've been at this for over 2 years consistently and still have not gotten to my goal size, but I've enjoyed the journey and am staying the course. Be patient and one day will not be the death of your Penis Enlargement career and your penis will not shrivel up and fall off from one days rest.

 

[J.J.]

very nice.

and how often were u Penis Enlargement'ing before you took that break?

5 days a week. But I have to admit my routine has been simply jelqing at around 90% erection level a day for 45-60 mins. (and kegels).

I think I'll take a week or so rest every few weeks now and then.

(April 1 after some months of basic jelqing under my belt I'm gonna start the routine you got me by PM, as I'm gonna shoot for some serious girth. I only gained 0.2 in the girth department until now < )

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

5 days a week. But I have to admit my routine has been simply jelqing at around 90% erection level a day for 45-60 mins. (and kegels).

I think I'll take a week or so rest every few weeks now and then.

(April 1 after some months of basic jelqing under my belt I'm gonna start the routine you got me by PM, as I'm gonna shoot for some serious girth. I only gained 0.2 in the girth department until now < )

good to hear

Dr. Lin is an ardtard (retard).

lol. Well let's not call people names even though I can see where you're comming from on this one. However, his method predates supra's slammers. I know why and how 'edging' would increase girth. As you mentioned the increased momentary expansion at 100% errection causes the penis to get extremely engorged. I just don't understand how it can add length to your penis. if you pay attention to SUPRA's posts about the slammers, he gained 1/2" of length in a month of doing them as well.

 

[NewGuy311]

well jelqing is very broad. It really depends on your level of engorgement and the tightness of your grip.100-200 'light' jelqs at about 50% errection will act as a means of enhancing blood flow, and if you keep it light enough, it may even speed up your T-vein recovery. But as soon as the internal pressure withing the penile chambers increases, you have a whole different story. So if you jelq on off days, let it be VERY light, even though i'd rather completely leave it alone.

Actually Vas i was gonna do them when i was flaccid, how does that sound?

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Actually Vas i was gonna do them when i was flaccid, how does that sound?

Hydromaxmm.. wet jelqs while flacid... ? I don't know if they'd do anything at all. ? perhaps just a massage? not sure what to tell you buddy.

 

[NewGuy311]

Hydromaxmm.. wet jelqs while flacid... ? I don't know if they'd do anything at all. ? perhaps just a massage? not sure what to tell you buddy.

Well one thing i noticed while doing them complete flaccid, like stretching, is that it temporily increases my flaccid size. I go from 4.5 flaccid-5.2 flaccid after doing some jelqs, i get the same results from stretching but with a jelq its more pumped up and alot fatter as opposed to looking like a spaghetti string. So, with a result like that, it must be doing something. My idea was, jelq till my flaccid size is to that, then put the ring or a wrap on to keep it at that size throughout the day.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Well one thing i noticed while doing them complete flaccid, like stretching, is that it temporily increases my flaccid size. I go from 4.5 flaccid-5.2 flaccid after doing some jelqs, i get the same results from stretching but with a jelq its more pumped up and alot fatter as opposed to looking like a spaghetti string. So, with a result like that, it must be doing something. My idea was, jelq till my flaccid size is to that, then put the ring or a wrap on to keep it at that size throughout the day.

lol . hahaha

ya i think that sounds good. Now that i think of it i used to do flacid jelqing way back when I first started Penis Enlargement. I did gain alot back then, but can't say what it was due to. perhaps it was just the newbie boost.