For The PE Doubters, Ponder This...

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This is a topic I've shared about in the past, under my other SN ''stillwantmore''. Long story, nother day. Anyway, the point of this thread is to throw this out there. The penis is in fact just a small bundle of skin, veins, a small artery or two, and some other tissues. Bottom line? A penis is a penis is a penis. Skin and tissue vary VERY minutely. There are of course natural variations in size and therefor the amount of tissue in a given penis, but they are in fact all the SAME otherwise from a purely physiological, and biological standpoint. That said, how could you NOT believe you can make your penis bigger permanently??? Look at these two pictures first:

Lip stretching (Penis EnlargementRMANENT)

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One of the MORE disturbing 'body mod' trends I see these days, the ear stretchers...really, what will they do when they are EIGHTY???

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THEN, there's the fairly new (within the last couple decades) medical practice of stretching (permanently) a LIMB. The leg is the most common. Either because of a severe injury, a birth defect, or merely a desire to be taller (as in China where there is great cultural pressure and demand for TALLER people). Look at this story. This young man, at the time of this article 19 y.o.; back then just a baby, was born with a severely mal-formed and much shorter leg. Through limb lengthening over several years, his leg is now it's normal length. His femur was cut in two places, and then this adjustable ''cage'' was bolted through the femur into his leg. He'd turn small knobs on the cage a little EVERY DAY (consistently stretched over time), and the tissues are slowly, permanently stretched.

Baby Michael

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As a boy

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At time of article, at 19

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From the article about his story

Ever since he was a small boy, Michael Gays has dreaded his bedtime.
While other children nodded off to their sweet dreams, he had to sit and turn the screws on the metal cage that stretched his withered right leg.
Sometimes during the ten long years of treatment, the pain was so bad that he had to have morphine. But not once did he shirk from his task.
Yesterday, that courage paid off. Michael, now 19, stood tall for the first time on two legs of identical length.
His right limb has been lengthened an incredible nine inches (!!!!), after 22 operations including three in which his leg was broken.
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So breaking it down simply...the LEG of a human being is probably 30X or more more DENSE with tissue than a Penis EnlargementNIS...yet many of us can't seem to figure out how to enlarge ours. I think many factors are involved, but over the last....roughly 9 years of witnessing MANY, MANY first hand testimonies, and from my own personal experience with successful gains, I conclude outside of the ''other'' unknowns the main three culprits for no gains to be mainly:

1) Little consistency.

2) Not enough force (either laterally or girth wise).

3) Lack of a real sense of dedication to the effort...which goes back to number 1.

Now, I hope this thread has somewhat inspired some guys, and maybe some of the brainier types will chime in with their thoughts as well. ;)
 
These images should make EVERYONE realize the simplicity of Penis Enlargement. In some cases medical doctors are elongating bone, growing tissue, expanding tissue, etc. The ear is a great model to see how much can be done to gain size.

As Still said

1) Be consistent, even during slow times

2) Use Maximum Intensity

3) Motivation and Belief will be your best tools
 
Here's a pic & comment from an old-ass post of mine. Still haven't found the "better picture".



Take a look, Johnny Unitas. His shoulders are pretty much even, but look at the extra length of his hurling arm. And it got so that by the end of his career his right arm was a full hand length longer than his left. If I can find a better pic, I'll send it.

But it just goes to show what can stretch and by just how much.
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Excellent post stillwantmore. I hope everyone that has doubts about Penis Enlargement sees this thread. The pictures basically speeks for themselves about wether penis enlargement is possible.
 
MAXAMEYES;363985 said:
Here's a pic & comment from an old-ass post of mine. Still haven't found the "better picture".



Take a look, Johnny Unitas. His shoulders are pretty much even, but look at the extra length of his hurling arm. And it got so that by the end of his career his right arm was a full hand length longer than his left. If I can find a better pic, I'll send it.

But it just goes to show what can stretch and by just how much.
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Now that is an ODD case in my opinion. No injuries or deformities, or other ''defects'' were known to exist in the longer arm? I'm just perplexed how the throwing arm got longer over time with the bones remaining in tact. Unlike in the leg lengthening surgery where the femur is severed and the bone ''re fuses'' and fills the gaps made by the stretching cage. ?:(
 
Dude, ya got me. I have no idea at all of the mechanics of it.
Even though I can't seem to find one (actually I kinda forgot completely about looking for it, to be honest) I've seen a picture of Unitas late in age and his right wrist sits about parallel with his left fingertips.

Not only was his arm longer, but his right hand was considerably larger than his left, kinda like a carpenter's of lumberjack's...well, before everything became powered.
 
I don't doubt Penis Enlargement, but there are some members on here who post pictures which are obviously edited, now I know DLD is not one of these ppl, I have seen his cock in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]dvd[/words], but other members, I will not mention any names, have images of their dick which is totally fake, you can tell because the penis and stomach is enlarged by editing, while the rest of the body is small, like legs ..
 
Love this thread!!!

Thats just a part of life. People want to fear the unknown. Guys who dont want to do Penis Enlargement and are not comfortable about there size will do there best to steer people like us away from this effective lifestyle choice. Its a jealous and also competitive nature of others not wanting to see others achieve something.

I hear my buddies talk to each other about there size to each other before. And it was so hard for me not to burst into a laugh from how much your ego will make you lie about it. One of those same buddies I trust very well and I told him how it works and he said "oh that not for me i dont need it, it doesnt work dont waste your time."

About a month later I was surfing the web on his labtop and there was a saved tab of thunders on there. And still till today I have never told him I seen it but I bring up Penis Enlargement and he says the same thing.

There plenty as well who so it doesnt work but they have no proof. Doctors and others in that field have a closed minded approach on everything. Also so many can hurt them selves so doctors take the safe road by saying it doesnt work instead of saying you can hurt yourself so be very careful. They dont want to get there hands messy(no pun intended....messy=wet jelq,edging,etc.) If they have people doing stuff wrong there the bad guy so remove any chance of them from getting in trouble. Also rofl there is no money in it for them.
 
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Maybe if we train our penis to throw a ball it will get longer:)
 
the penis can be made bigger but would it be softer as a result? many chemical balances display themselves in the penis which do not occur in bone and skin which are simpler in function.
 
crazy-horse;364132 said:
the penis can be made bigger but would it be softer as a result? many chemical balances display themselves in the penis which do not occur in bone and skin which are simpler in function.
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What do you base that on? Some literature you can link???

I just have to ask. I've made my penis around 2 inches longer, and 1.25 inches bigger in girth and it's as rock hard as ever when erect. Many guys have made bigger gains and report the same thing. As long as the nerves remain intact and have time to adapt to the new size, there should be no detrimental effect. Bone is simpler in function?? You don't know anatomy very well. Bone is a very complicated organ actually. Among providing support for the body, protection for the organs, and producing red blood cells, it is constantly de-constructing, and re-constructing itself....among other functions. ;)
 
Want_that_gain;364091 said:
I don't doubt Penis Enlargement, but there are some members on here who post pictures which are obviously edited, now I know DLD is not one of these ppl, I have seen his cock in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]dvd[/words], but other members, I will not mention any names, have images of their dick which is totally fake, you can tell because the penis and stomach is enlarged by editing, while the rest of the body is small, like legs ..
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Yea, true. Similar happens elsewhere on the net.
 
swm2, What is the penis composed of then?

Should I train it with "less is more"(more recovery,etc.) or "more is more"(Train as much as possible) approach?
 
Making the penis longer can break down the penile tissues causing them to rebuild with more collogen and a hardening of penile blood vessels making them less flexible which makes it harder for one to get an erection. Thats why warming the penis prior to Penis Enlargement is advised.
Also have you considered that lengthening the penile tendon may also lower the erection angle which is a negative.
If you have experienced harder erections then it must be due to edging and clamping.
you have also gained length, but has it lowered your erection angle?
 
Making the penis longer can break down the penile tissues causing them to rebuild with more collogen and a hardening of penile blood vessels making them less flexible which makes it harder for one to get an erection.
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This is Penis Enlargement theory craft. I've yet to see, or hear in over NINE YEARS of my active involvement on various Penis Enlargement forums, and reading testimonies, even meeting fellow Penis Enlargement'rs in person...and none have reported such things. I doubt even a licensed, practicing urologist could prove this. I've done things to my penis that surely by now ''should'' have done what you said...surely. Countless hours of clamping, hundreds of hours of hanging weights. I have no hard blood vessels, no ''toughened'' tissues. My penis is still soft as it should be when flaccid.

Thats why warming the penis prior to Penis Enlargement is advised.
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By who? Penis Enlargement paysite retailers?? LOL. Again, theory craft. I've never in NINE YEARS seen conclusive proof that warming the penis provided any benefit either just from a physiological perspective, or to aid Penis Enlargement. Warming up sounds good on paper, but again...no solid proof it adds a benefit, or speeds up gains.


Also have you considered that lengthening the penile tendon may also lower the erection angle which is a negative.
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Again, says who?? SEVERING the suspensory LIGAMENT (not a tendon) can lower erection angle, but lengthening it has not been shown to. Not that I have been able to see, or find. I've added a little over 2'' in length to my penis so far...and my erection angle is still above 90 degrees from my abdomen.

If you have experienced harder erections then it must be due to edging and clamping.
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Is this just another speculation of yours? I'm just trying to figure where you're coming from. It does not sound like from personal experience. Harder erections (from a urology perspective) come from a healthy blood flow to the penis. Expanding the tissues such as in jelqing, clamping, other girth work is bound to improve blood flow.

Not trying to sound insulting, I've just been around. I can smell speculation vs actual experience.
 
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Girth Hammer;364231 said:
swm2, What is the penis composed of then?

Should I train it with "less is more"(more recovery,etc.) or "more is more"(Train as much as possible) approach?
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From my experience, my penis responded best to girth work when I trained daily for at least 30-45. The penis is basically skin, veins, some small ligaments, spongy tissue.
 
The penis is not only, nerves, skin, blood vessels, they also have receptors for DHT and other hormones and chemicals like growth fact Pge-2 AND elastin, when we clamp and edge an abundant of these are released and tramped in the penis, which makes them moe effective the next time we clamp or edge, making the penis harder.
Jelqing on the other hand is inflammatory and can lead to penis deformity.
Warmin up the penis also releases more elastin, which make the penis more elastic and less prone to damage.
 
there are a lot of people on here who have complained about uneven chamber increases and some have created techniques to remedy this, due to the fact not enough elastin was present in their penis. Some have also complained about enlarged blood vessels, and painful erections. So i believe you stand corrected. You also say your penis is above 90 degrees in erect state, but it should be 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock.
 
when it comes to muscle gains my workout are VERY different from the norm but I keep gaining.But when I give advice to others the first thing they do is disagree with me but I keep changing and they look the same all year long.

There are just things in life that most will not agree on. And its safe to say Penis Enlargement is one of them.
 
crazy-horse;364269 said:
there are a lot of people on here who have complained about uneven chamber increases and some have created techniques to remedy this, due to the fact not enough elastin was present in their penis. Some have also complained about enlarged blood vessels, and painful erections. So i believe you stand corrected. You also say your penis is above 90 degrees in erect state, but it should be 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock.
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LOL I stand corrected based on your personal assumption. I have not said ''absolutely nobody ever had an issue related to (insert Penis Enlargement TYPenis Enlargement)...'' Nor did I say ''The penis is composed completely of, and ONLY of.....''. Get off your box already. Think what you want. You're free to. Do what you want. I'm just speaking from a LONG experience, and knowing many men online and some in person who do Penis Enlargement. A ''1 o'clock, or 2 o'clock'' erection angle is very high. If that's what yours is good for you. Mine is around 2:05 GMT. ;) If you're here to argue so be it. I'll argue back until I feel like we're going nowhere and then lock the thread.
 
Girth Hammer;364272 said:
when it comes to muscle gains my workout are VERY different from the norm but I keep gaining.But when I give advice to others the first thing they do is disagree with me but I keep changing and they look the same all year long.

There are just things in life that most will not agree on. And its safe to say Penis Enlargement is one of them.
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Exactly, and some people just like to carry on, and on, and pick apart every little detail looking for their ''Ah HA!'' to try and disprove what someone said. If you don't agree with me, or anyone...that's your choice. You're no less or better of a man for disagreeing. Accept that you disagree, and leave it at that.
 
I just wanted to know if stretching my penis tendon 3 inches will lower my erection angle, you gained 2 inches with no loss of erection angle right?
 
crazy-horse;364277 said:
I just wanted to know if stretching my penis tendon 3 inches will lower my erection angle, you gained 2 inches with no loss of erection angle right?
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So far, and from what I can best recollect. I came into Penis Enlargement not really having ever cared about my penis, its size, or wondering if I was ''big enough''. My penis had always been just something I urinated with, and enjoyed when masturbating. I'm willing to bet (though I know I can't prove it), the penis ligaments actually stretch very little and that the penis is what is stretched mostly. I'm not here to lay that down as a concrete fact though. Honestly, I could care less about the ''how'' of my penis getting bigger. I just know it has.
 
crazy-horse;364268 said:
Jelqing on the other hand is inflammatory and can lead to penis deformity.
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Penile deformity is the goal of Penis Enlargement. Girth work, length work all deforms penile tissue to allow for expansion.
 
doublelongdaddy;364289 said:
Penile deformity is the goal of Penis Enlargement. Girth work, length work all deforms penile tissue to allow for expansion.
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Oh hell, you just opened the proverbial ''can o' worms''. ;)
 
I'll chime in with my 2 bits...not that my opinions hold any more weight than the next.

Enlarging of the penis is proven to be possible. There are medical studies that have tested and validate this.

Penis enlargement can occur through deformation of the tissues and subsequent increases in collagen and scar tissues brought on by inflammation. Penis enlargement can occur through applied [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] force (ADS) which can stimulate cell division and growth. Penis enlargement can also occur through hormonal manipulation and androgen receptor activation. All these methods are proven through medical study.

What we are collectivelly learning is how to combine these methods into the most productive method which well yield success to all interested parties.

Disagreements are an inescapable eventuallity with Penis Enlargement because as yet this is'nt a cut and dry knowledge. Look at bodybuilding for example. There are tried and true methods with provide results yet there is still much debate about which system works best and how it works.

Penis Enlargement is still in it's infancy. Fact is that "yes" penis enlargement works. How and why is varied depending on which path or combination you take. Results gained from heavy, intense hanging come from a different physiological responce than do results from edging and ballooning. Finding the combination of physical stimulus and hormonal is the key.

Clamping and pumping work partly in that oxygen deprivation (hypoxia) stimulates vascular growth. Diet can influence androgen receptors quantity and sensitivity and hormone levels. Force can stimulate deformation and light [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] over extended time stimulated cellular division. Being too agressive with your penis will cause inflammation which results in the temporary illusion of growth due to swelling.

Soon we will master this or I hope so. I've been at this for 20 years.
 
I forgot to add, last but not least and number 1 in my opinion. The jelq.

Jelqing works because it combines elements of all methods of penis enlargement.

The jelq is an art more than an exercise. For the jelq to become trully productive one must develop the mind/body mastery. The jelq stretches tissues and vascular stucture which stimulates cellular division through mechanical force. The jelq is a sexual act. You need to allow the move to arouse and stimulate you, to bring you to the edge. This activates the hormonal effects by increasing androgen receptor quantity and sensitivity, while simutaneously stimulating hormonal production, both androgens and prostaglandins.

Bottom line is Penis EnlargementNIS ENLARGEMENT IS REAL. It occurs on many different levels.
 
crazy-horse;364414 said:
so in effect when the jelq is done during erection, it is a form of ballooning and edging, sort of clamping without the clamp?
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Yes very basically. There are variations of the jelq of course. I won't steal the other guys thunder though. Maybe he'll chime in as well.
 
The jelq combines elements of mechanical force and hormonal influence to stimulate growth. The physical act of jelq stimulates the release of vascular relaxing factors and prostaglandins, especially PGE-1 which promotes relaxation of the vessels and tissues. If you notice, sometimes you have a great jelq session where your penis expands and swells with every stroke and another time the session just does'nt seem to be as good. This has alot to do with PGE-1. Excessive and hard jelqing can also produce inflammatory prostaglandins, not good. Result being inflammatory swelling and soreness, not to be confused with hypertrophy of the penis (growth).

PGE-1 is necessary for erection to occur. When the tissues of the penis have sufficient PGE-1 levels, the mechanical forces of jelqing allow the tissues to stretch to their maximum. This enables maximum engorgement of the tissues with nutrient and hormone rich blood. The body responds to these physical stresses by increasing cellular division to accomodate the pressure of the forced blood squeezed in by jelqing.

When the neuroendocrine system becomes sexually aroused, a cascade of hormonal changes occur. Testosterone levels increase and the conversion of testosterone via 5-alpha reductase to the more androgenic metabolite, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) increases in the tissues of the penis and accessory organs of the genitals (seminal vesicals, prostate, cowpers glands, testicles, ect). In responce to the increase androgen production, androgen receptors which are abundant in the genitals will increase in quantity and sensitivity to circulating androgens. Testosterone and especially dihydrotestosterone are essential for the function, maintainance and development of the genitals.

These are medically proven facts. Penis enlargement works and there should be no doubting this reality. It is time tested. Men have been enlarging there penis's since we figured out that it feels good to touch it.

Doubt exists because of misapplied technique, resulting in failure.
 
Thank's stillwantmore2 for starting this thread. Elimination of doubt in the mind is absolutely necessary for success.

Stillwantmore2 provided some great examples at the start of this thread, showing that the body is capable of great physical change.

Believe, concieve and achieve.
 
The penis is a freaking skin sack begging to be enlarged...KISS! Pull it, fill it and use it and it will get bigger!!!!
 
Thanks.
How can we increase the PGE-1 production during jelqing etc because as you said, sometimes it is abundant and sometimes not. I know taking extra omega 3 can help but when should this be taken? at anytime or specifically an hour or two before Penis Enlargement?
Also are there other means by which we can increase PGE-1 production other than heating the penis?
I believe taking some DHEA can help the testosterone production too.
 
crazy-horse;364476 said:
Thanks.
How can we increase the PGE-1 production during jelqing etc because as you said, sometimes it is abundant and sometimes not. I know taking extra omega 3 can help but when should this be taken? at anytime or specifically an hour or two before Penis Enlargement?
Also are there other means by which we can increase PGE-1 production other than heating the penis?
I believe taking some DHEA can help the testosterone production too.
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Does weed have DHEA in it (question) :)
 
I fond it funny how most men are so fucking retarded when it comes to their tiny cocks, I was talking to a guy about how I'm doing a penis enlargement program and the look of jealous was instant, then it went from being jealous to defensive, then defensive to judgmental..

The reality is, women like bigger, harder, longer cock, and men keep fooling them self into thinking size does not matter, when it does..
 
Want_that_gain;364589 said:
I fond it funny how most men are so fucking retarded when it comes to their tiny cocks, I was talking to a guy about how I'm doing a penis enlargement program and the look of jealous was instant, then it went from being jealous to defensive, then defensive to judgmental..
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I love the reaction I get when guys hear about my business. The first thing every guy says, every time, is "I don't need that" I laugh when I hear that because I know the next thing they will say is "Does that stuff really work". It is so funny. Every man wants a bigger dick no matter how big they are. It is kind of like a car, there is always a bigger and better one you can get.

Honesty would be refreshing and once in a great while a guy will admit, "I would love to get bigger" and I send them in the right direction.

Mike
 
doublelongdaddy;364722 said:
I love the reaction I get when guys hear about my business. The first thing every guy says, every time, is "I don't need that" I laugh when I hear that because I know the next thing they will say is "Does that stuff really work". It is so funny. Every man wants a bigger dick no matter how big they are. It is kind of like a car, there is always a bigger and better one you can get.

Honesty would be refreshing and once in a great while a guy will admit, "I would love to get bigger" and I send them in the right direction.

Mike
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rofl It's typical male ego. Nothing less. No man wants to admit (usually) that he's deficient in any way, especially ''down there''.
 
Ive asked this many times , Why is there NO pictures of tribe people hanging weights from there penis? U post lips and ears , but no pictures of people using methods to stretch there cock?
 
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