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Krispin;366345 said:
What I find so amusing about a little fella like you is that you're just sooooo anxious to denigrate and condemn that you feel obligated, for whatever self-absorbed reasons, create an issue where there is none.
I espoused no belief, on either side of the supposed argument, yet you attributed such to me by your own volition.
Sad, sad and somewhat desperate.
Your premature supposition that my contribution somehow stands in direct opposition to your own stated position and is then somehow even a threat to same is not only fallacious but also irrational given the content of my post.
And the use of the appellation "insane" is not only simply a hollow, self-serving deprecation, it's also just plain immature.
(This is a forum for adults, to discuss adult issues in an adult fashion. If you are unable to comport yourself properly perhaps you should explore the option of leaving before you are "asked" to leave. Your profile contains no age information, yet you list yourself as a student; you must be 18 years of age to obtain membership in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].)
You claim both reason and sanity as your method, you also claim to have read the entire article I cited, yet if these were actually true (presuming you have the requisite intelligence to understand the article's intent, of course) then you would have realized that the scientist who posted this article presented an entirely plausible explanation, using almost universally accepted precepts and methodology (Newtonian & Einsteinian physics in general) to offer proof as to how simple mistranslations from the source document and academic hubris have, in aggregate, over time, created a conceptual rift in understanding wherein none exists in actuality.
To simplify for you: the oft cited, and at times heated, dichotomy between the respective viewpoints, each, in turn, espousing and/or derrogating various ancient observations then modern deduction and religious establisHydromaxent, are, in fact, simply symptomatic of the diametricity imposed via rampantly divergent perspectives, aggravated by obdurate adherence to arbitrary paradigms, quite frequently in the presence of viable alternatives, and propagated to this very day due to blatant hostility from each party toward the other replacing healthy, rational intellectual discourse between adults.
Closing ones mind to new sources of insight and information is pathetic enough; closing ones mind to the possibility of new sources of same existing is pitiable and regressive.
From now on ensure someone has actually stated a position before you attempt to attack it in so specious a fashion. A reply on your part is neither warranted, nor invited, yet inevitable I imagine; take care to ensure it is salient and mature.
Krispin;366347 said:
I told you, I CAN NOT until I prove that the bible is true. If you don't give me the chance how can i do this?
You did not use one fact other than the scientists said it was so. If my friend tells you that there is a God are you you going to believe, I don't think so. You continue to say that scientists have proven over an over again, this is not proof.
Use one fact krispin, until you do, you are not proving yourself. You are also giving up. By the way, the link to the cartoons was amusing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_fossils).
The Big Bang Theory
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> </o>About 20 billion years ago, all of nothing in the universe gathered together into a tiny extremely hot ball of mass, and this tiny ball of mass exploded. From this explosion the theory states that hydrogen and maybe a bit of helium was shot off, they came together in different areas and created what we call sons. About 4.6 billion years ago earth was formed from this explosion from the debris.
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> </o>Creation
Genesis 1:1 says this, God created the heavens and the earth. If we trace the bible and the people in it with dates we can approximately come to a conclusion of the earth being about 6000 years old.
Now, do I have your side of the story right?
BxB
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MAXAMEYES;366348 said:
Not anxious at all to denigrate anything; just pointing out the obvious that your position is weak and that you believe in an explanation that has been discredited countless times. That's unreasonable. Peppering high-sounding words throughout your little rant does not change the poor state of your arguments; it just makes you sound moronic, pathetic, and annoying.
BANANAxBOY;366350 said:I told you, I CAN NOT until I prove that the bible is true. If you don't give me the chance how can i do this?
You did not use one fact other than the scientists said it was so. If my friend tells you that there is a God are you you going to believe, I don't think so. You continue to say that scientists have proven over an over again, this is not proof.
Use one fact krispin, until you do, you are not proving yourself. You are also giving up. By the way, the link to the cartoons was amusing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_fossils).
The Big Bang Theory
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About 20 billion years ago, all of nothing in the universe gathered together into a tiny extremely hot ball of mass, and this tiny ball of mass exploded. From this explosion the theory states that hydrogen and maybe a bit of helium was shot off, they came together in different areas and created what we call sons. About 4.6 billion years ago earth was formed from this explosion from the debris.
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Creation
Genesis 1:1 says this, God created the heavens and the earth. If we trace the bible and the people in it with dates we can approximately come to a conclusion of the earth being about 6000 years old.
Now, do I have your side of the story right?
BxB
Science states that humankind and the Earth are both much older than 6000 years. Science has more evidence in support of its claim than the Bible. Therefore, science is the stronger explanation; believing in the alternative is unreasonable and unfounded. There, I just destroyed your entire philosophy, and on Christmas Eve nonetheless!
Krispin;366353 said:
I'll speak in a manner you can understand:
Dumb-ass:
I took no position.
I have no position.
My post took no position.
A position that doesn't exist cannot be unreasonable,
it cannot be reasonable,
it cannot be attacked,
it cannot be defended,
it can't BE anything,
because it is NOT anything.
Did you catch all that?
Could I be any clearer?
Were those words small and "low-sounding"
enough for you to understand?
Read slowly and it won't hurt so much; I can't type any slower.
Krispin;366355 said:
Again no fact krispin, just your defensless opinion. Why won't you go into detail with me, I made a nice little post that starts at the start? You leave no other explanation than you are afraid to be proven wrong, and that is ok because i have no intention to hurt you or make you feel bad. I simply want to bring you the hope that I have.
Love BxB
MAXAMEYES;366356 said:
Hey, psycho, get this through your mentally deranged mind: YOU ARE INSANE. How's that sound, huh? Got any more questions you want me to answer? Your arguments were destroyed- Merry Christmas.
P.S. Also, my attack on your writing pattern worked quite well- you lost your nerve and control of your temper. I would decimate you in public debate, mark that.
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BANANAxBOY;366357 said:
Lol...my "opinion" is supported by volumes of scientific data and rudimentary logic. Your beliefs are defenseless and INSANE. You are INSANE, got that? In a few hours, you'll be waking up to the cold realization that your day of celebration has turned into a day of destruction. If this argument had been public, you would have been HUMILIATED. Merry ****ing Christmas B~).
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The Big Bang Theory
About 20 billion years ago, all of nothing in the universe gathered together into a tiny extremely hot ball of mass, and this tiny ball of mass exploded. From this explosion the theory states that hydrogen and maybe a bit of helium was shot off, they came together in different areas and created what we call sons. About 4.6 billion years ago earth was formed from this explosion from the debris.
Creation
Genesis 1:1 says this, God created the heavens and the earth. If we trace the bible and the people in it with dates we can approximately come to a conclusion of the earth being about 6000 years old.
Ok, I'll continue...
So, I think I've given this statement a long enough time for someone to disagree, so lets continue assuming this statement is true. If anyone feels obligated to jump in and argue, please do! Lets just try and be respectful about this.
The Big Bang Theory: Response
1. I would like someone to show me where in science that "nothing" becomes something.
2. Gasses do not just "come together". Try and blow hydrogen and helium together and see if they attract and create new mass.
3. If the earth is supposedly 4.6 billion years old and human's have been around for a lot more than 6 thousand years than how come we are not so advanced? ( we invented car's, planes, cellphones, computers and many more in just 100 years)
Creation: Response
We have Earth, which proves this first verse in the bible correct.
About 20 billion years ago, all of nothing in the universe gathered together into a tiny extremely hot ball of mass, and this tiny ball of mass exploded. From this explosion the theory states that hydrogen and maybe a bit of helium was shot off, they came together in different areas and created what we call sons. About 4.6 billion years ago earth was formed from this explosion from the debris.
Creation
Genesis 1:1 says this, God created the heavens and the earth. If we trace the bible and the people in it with dates we can approximately come to a conclusion of the earth being about 6000 years old.
Ok, I'll continue...
So, I think I've given this statement a long enough time for someone to disagree, so lets continue assuming this statement is true. If anyone feels obligated to jump in and argue, please do! Lets just try and be respectful about this.
The Big Bang Theory: Response
1. I would like someone to show me where in science that "nothing" becomes something.
2. Gasses do not just "come together". Try and blow hydrogen and helium together and see if they attract and create new mass.
3. If the earth is supposedly 4.6 billion years old and human's have been around for a lot more than 6 thousand years than how come we are not so advanced? ( we invented car's, planes, cellphones, computers and many more in just 100 years)
Creation: Response
We have Earth, which proves this first verse in the bible correct.
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BANANAxBOY;366805 said:
Do I believe in God?
If a christian asks me I will say no...
If atheist ask me I will say yes...
hahah Alex78 I have the same pic but it says " Nothing says I trust you god more that 3 inches of bulletproof glass" rofl
REDZULU2003
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Disrespectful but I can see humor in it.
Yes DLD god is beyond human comprehension and we are ignorant fuckers lets be honest abouit it and think we are so elite with all our technology and shit. I have heard cosmologists debate the start of universe for years but no one really knows ... the whole universe everything when it started was created I think by what everyone worships in one way or another by GOD. Its also wonderful to see these pricks who practice black magic call god and Jesus ... when many of the chants they use actually ask for GOD to allow the spirit or entity they are evoking to come to them in the first place and respond to them! and they use sigils and seals that many times have a strong relationship to god such as his hidden names written on them.
So they may not believe in god, some of the occult but they ask for gods permission to control his entities? wankers .... than again the excuse would be that they see god as who they are invoking or Lucifer as the god but the flaw still exists that your chanting and know of the knowledge that exists making it clear something called GOD created all this! It started somewhere, so to me many faiths are all tapping into god via different deities and belief systems incl the occult , they use different systems but its all GOD ... magic is all possible because of GOD, because of how the universal laws have been setup.
Even satanists are actually under god, Satan and Lucifer were creations of god so NO ONE can escape god unless you dont believe in god full stop which limits you I think in many areas of your life and belief systems.
Yes DLD god is beyond human comprehension and we are ignorant fuckers lets be honest abouit it and think we are so elite with all our technology and shit. I have heard cosmologists debate the start of universe for years but no one really knows ... the whole universe everything when it started was created I think by what everyone worships in one way or another by GOD. Its also wonderful to see these pricks who practice black magic call god and Jesus ... when many of the chants they use actually ask for GOD to allow the spirit or entity they are evoking to come to them in the first place and respond to them! and they use sigils and seals that many times have a strong relationship to god such as his hidden names written on them.
So they may not believe in god, some of the occult but they ask for gods permission to control his entities? wankers .... than again the excuse would be that they see god as who they are invoking or Lucifer as the god but the flaw still exists that your chanting and know of the knowledge that exists making it clear something called GOD created all this! It started somewhere, so to me many faiths are all tapping into god via different deities and belief systems incl the occult , they use different systems but its all GOD ... magic is all possible because of GOD, because of how the universal laws have been setup.
Even satanists are actually under god, Satan and Lucifer were creations of god so NO ONE can escape god unless you dont believe in god full stop which limits you I think in many areas of your life and belief systems.
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REDZULU2003
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Turnover;417323 said:
Well exactly and is why those silly fuckers who make pacts with the devil or become satanists and as they do have to renounce god, Jesus, the saints, holy Mary etc but they are actually FOOLS because Lucifer was one of the angels, now fallen and created by God. So renouncing god is essentially ignorant and slapping the Devils father across the face , the father who could destroy anyone and anything in a heart beat should so he desire ... Lucifer is a streak of piss to what God can accomplish, just look into Babylonian magic which wipes the floor with all this satan shit because they were tapping into gods power via different deities, whos to say though they werent real?
REDZULU2003
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Thats right. Its hard to explain feelings on here with text and hope no one takes me wrongly on this, dont mean to be aggressive. My thoughts are yes god exists and created the universe alas the big bang and I belive in Jesus plus many other religious peoples existsed. I'm a Protestant, Church of England but not hardliner or anything like that. I have learned about the occult and respect different views but loose my patience as you have read when those who disown god plain and clrealy are chanting text out to ask gods permssion to control an entity ... see the hypocrasy?
Yes god created everything and we have NO IDEA how powerful god is. Thinkl about it. Stars, planets, matter, EVERYTHING...............................GOD created it! Strange things occured 1000's of years ago hence the pyramids, king Salomon the aztecs etc etc they knew something or were exposed to something higher (Open to interpretation) I think from what I have seen and read ... they knew so much ahead of the time and the religious and magical workings they had are PHENOMINAL and still used to this day ... the Babylonians were like the first civilisation just look into them and Mesopotamia and see how amazing they were ... the strange gods they had.
So man had to make sense of it all and such came religions based on where you are in the world they take on a flavour i.e. Voodoo, Christianty, Islam, Judaism etc etc. Many gods are around in some religions and whos to say they didnt exist? but for me they are all tapping into the main source, the overall creator and the one we call GOD. The actual creator or even creators. Who are they?
Aliens are a part I think aswell but dont know what part they play in all this. They have been seen since prehistoric times and mentioned in passaged within the bible as floating spheres controlled by angels.
We mention the Law of attraction, meditation, deja vu etc its all possible because of the universe and hows it setup. Quantum Physics is the new kid on the block, what an inteesting yet difficult to study subject. Its evrything. They say the 4th dimension is time, we are in a 3D world yet the 4th dimension is around us and has been called the matrix. To best see this in your mind, revert to the matrix film when you see the green outlined stuff around everywhere .... that could be representative of the 4th dimension with time around it.
We pray to god and tap through the universal source to gods power and that I believe. It can ve via Jesus Christ or whoever according to faith. We have the 5 elements, astrology, the planets have powers of their own if again you belive! EVERYTHING has a purpose.
Yes god created everything and we have NO IDEA how powerful god is. Thinkl about it. Stars, planets, matter, EVERYTHING...............................GOD created it! Strange things occured 1000's of years ago hence the pyramids, king Salomon the aztecs etc etc they knew something or were exposed to something higher (Open to interpretation) I think from what I have seen and read ... they knew so much ahead of the time and the religious and magical workings they had are PHENOMINAL and still used to this day ... the Babylonians were like the first civilisation just look into them and Mesopotamia and see how amazing they were ... the strange gods they had.
So man had to make sense of it all and such came religions based on where you are in the world they take on a flavour i.e. Voodoo, Christianty, Islam, Judaism etc etc. Many gods are around in some religions and whos to say they didnt exist? but for me they are all tapping into the main source, the overall creator and the one we call GOD. The actual creator or even creators. Who are they?
Aliens are a part I think aswell but dont know what part they play in all this. They have been seen since prehistoric times and mentioned in passaged within the bible as floating spheres controlled by angels.
We mention the Law of attraction, meditation, deja vu etc its all possible because of the universe and hows it setup. Quantum Physics is the new kid on the block, what an inteesting yet difficult to study subject. Its evrything. They say the 4th dimension is time, we are in a 3D world yet the 4th dimension is around us and has been called the matrix. To best see this in your mind, revert to the matrix film when you see the green outlined stuff around everywhere .... that could be representative of the 4th dimension with time around it.
We pray to god and tap through the universal source to gods power and that I believe. It can ve via Jesus Christ or whoever according to faith. We have the 5 elements, astrology, the planets have powers of their own if again you belive! EVERYTHING has a purpose.
How is it my personal view is disrespectful? I happen to believe the Devil is just an extension of God they are only separated by a name why is that something wrong to express, because it is just different. Its not that I don't believe in God or worship Satan I just meant really if you believe in God you have nothing to worry about because either way you're on a good path. I should have been more clear I apologize.
From an Edgar Cayce reading.
("Thought for the Day", get these sent daily from the A.R.E.)
Think on This ...
Each entity is a part of the universal whole. All knowledge, all understanding that has been a part of the entity's consciousness, then, is a part of the entity's experience. Thus the unfoldment in the present is merely becoming aware of that experience through which the entity, either in body or in mind--has passed in a consciousness.
("Thought for the Day", get these sent daily from the A.R.E.)
Think on This ...
Each entity is a part of the universal whole. All knowledge, all understanding that has been a part of the entity's consciousness, then, is a part of the entity's experience. Thus the unfoldment in the present is merely becoming aware of that experience through which the entity, either in body or in mind--has passed in a consciousness.
REDZULU2003
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Turnover;417338 said:
Sorry I need to apologize, I was referring to the picture with the pope in this thread. Sorry.
REDZULU2003
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72 names in total I think and many never to be spoken aloud. The universe we as humans are only just scratching at the surface and one day perhaps in many 1000's of years time from now that generation will Phaethon out why we are here exactly and the whole story of how it all started etc. I can see it in my head but hard to explain what I mean, would be awesome as a book or film and yes one day I see the human race coming face to face with gods ultimate power and therein the meaning of life, as we ask many times ... we will find the purpose, why humans, everything ....
REDZULU2003
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I have just acquired loads of e books on all the religions and will have them up soon. Will anyone read them though? 
stillwantmore
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I believe in a god in as such that "it" is a creative force for all life in the Universe. The "gods" of different religions though...I honestly believe are mankind's misinterpretations of things he had no explanation...or vocabulary for. Many languages for example have no word for things we express in English...so they use our English words amidst a sentence of their language. Thoroughly investigate ANY religion...I challenge you to...anyone to..and you find similar stories of things like "Chariots of fire", "pillars of smoke", "those from wince the heavens came", "star people" (American Indian "myths"), "Angels"...or beings who had the power of flight...just one example of "coincidence" in religions.
I see no logic in any gods. Through history men have invented gods to deal with explaining things they are ignorant of. It is illogical to conclude that all those other gods are false, yet yours is real-I've never followed how theists don't see that! What are the odds that that god over there is false, and so is that one, and so are those other 10,000 gods... but YOURS is the one, real god... really??? cmon!
There is no evidence of any gods, nor of any creation. The best evidence I think theists can come up with is "but look at all this stuff" which is fallacious reasoning that creation is necessary-which of course they contradict by not requiring a creation for their own god... Much of this type of "reasoning" is prevalent when you press them for reasons behind the faith.
Ultimately-gods are just santa clause for adults. The only difference is that we are told at some point NOT to believe in santa. Just as you LEARN to believe in a god, just as you did to believe in a santa or tooth fairy. It is only because our parents believe in such things and it's a tradition I like to call "self mental caging". I see nothing positive that has come out of faith in gods-frankly the darkest periods of human history seem to usually be closely connected to some theist faith and its ideas...
There is no evidence of any gods, nor of any creation. The best evidence I think theists can come up with is "but look at all this stuff" which is fallacious reasoning that creation is necessary-which of course they contradict by not requiring a creation for their own god... Much of this type of "reasoning" is prevalent when you press them for reasons behind the faith.
Ultimately-gods are just santa clause for adults. The only difference is that we are told at some point NOT to believe in santa. Just as you LEARN to believe in a god, just as you did to believe in a santa or tooth fairy. It is only because our parents believe in such things and it's a tradition I like to call "self mental caging". I see nothing positive that has come out of faith in gods-frankly the darkest periods of human history seem to usually be closely connected to some theist faith and its ideas...
stillwantmore
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Crazy Doc;423925 said:
Exactly. I once said something like (to a "religious" person) "Wouldn't it royally suck if you got to heaven one day and realized ah shit...the Buddhists (or whoever) were right?"
Wow,
What a fantastic question and yet soooo difficult to answer on a forum.
I found my spirituality a few years ago - before then I can't say what I was.... perhaps a totally confused person ?
I wasn't religious (though my parents insisted I was a muslim!), didn't believe in God as such, yet my life wasn't working. I knew I was here for a reason, but didn't know what that reason was. I'd spent most of my life searching.
When I read some of the comments on here about God/Religion etc etc etc, to me the problem is not God, but MAN and his HEAD.
When man 'interferes' with stuff, writes books (bibles, korans, etc) then we are all open to misinterpreting the words within them. For they are only words, words which will mean one thing to one person, and another thing to someone else.
I believe in God, and in fact I actually believe totally in God and believe a lot less in Man....... I believe that when man can control his ego letting his 'godly-ness' shine, then I will trust man.
What is Godly-ness ?? Essentially, Truth and Love.......
People who don't believe in God, and this is going to sound extremely attacking, but to me, they're blind. They're blind in that they are ignorant about themselves, they are unaware that there is God within them and within us all and that we can all be truly great. Instead the vast majority of us (men) are walking zombies, using our 'heads' and hardly our hearts.
Hence why not a lot of people believe in God.
We are all God's children and contrary to what and why a 'man' might put fear into you, saying that God punishes you for this or for that, I'm afraid that that is simply wrong - that, again, is man's ego, coming from fear to have control over you.
A brilliant book (if you're ready) and very easy to read is Neale Donald Walsch's "Conversations with God".
Better still, buy the Audiobook (it'll have you in tears).
Oh, and to all the Atheists, you need to suspend disbelief in life sometimes, again, that's your ego wanting to know/calculate/fathom every single minutiae before accepting something.......sheesh !
Peace to you all.
P.S. I'm not a muslim anymore (that was a religion 'given' to me at birth) - I keep my options open for there are many great teachers out there and that is what it's all about for me. For example, when his words are explained to me, I totally get Jesus' teachings and they resonate/make perfect sense to me. I think that's the case with a lot of the other religions also, i.e. there is goodness in all of them. The trouble starts happening when man (there we go again!) starts 'inter-fearing'.......
What a fantastic question and yet soooo difficult to answer on a forum.
I found my spirituality a few years ago - before then I can't say what I was.... perhaps a totally confused person ?
I wasn't religious (though my parents insisted I was a muslim!), didn't believe in God as such, yet my life wasn't working. I knew I was here for a reason, but didn't know what that reason was. I'd spent most of my life searching.
When I read some of the comments on here about God/Religion etc etc etc, to me the problem is not God, but MAN and his HEAD.
When man 'interferes' with stuff, writes books (bibles, korans, etc) then we are all open to misinterpreting the words within them. For they are only words, words which will mean one thing to one person, and another thing to someone else.
I believe in God, and in fact I actually believe totally in God and believe a lot less in Man....... I believe that when man can control his ego letting his 'godly-ness' shine, then I will trust man.
What is Godly-ness ?? Essentially, Truth and Love.......
People who don't believe in God, and this is going to sound extremely attacking, but to me, they're blind. They're blind in that they are ignorant about themselves, they are unaware that there is God within them and within us all and that we can all be truly great. Instead the vast majority of us (men) are walking zombies, using our 'heads' and hardly our hearts.
Hence why not a lot of people believe in God.
We are all God's children and contrary to what and why a 'man' might put fear into you, saying that God punishes you for this or for that, I'm afraid that that is simply wrong - that, again, is man's ego, coming from fear to have control over you.
A brilliant book (if you're ready) and very easy to read is Neale Donald Walsch's "Conversations with God".
Better still, buy the Audiobook (it'll have you in tears).
Oh, and to all the Atheists, you need to suspend disbelief in life sometimes, again, that's your ego wanting to know/calculate/fathom every single minutiae before accepting something.......sheesh !
Peace to you all.
P.S. I'm not a muslim anymore (that was a religion 'given' to me at birth) - I keep my options open for there are many great teachers out there and that is what it's all about for me. For example, when his words are explained to me, I totally get Jesus' teachings and they resonate/make perfect sense to me. I think that's the case with a lot of the other religions also, i.e. there is goodness in all of them. The trouble starts happening when man (there we go again!) starts 'inter-fearing'.......
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Shooting for 7";424427 said:
See... now earlier you mentioned meditation.... and you do realize what you describe is much closer to Buddhism than any Theism yes? Generally, Buddhism is what we call an "Atheist Faith". Atheism does NOT mean you don't believe in anything or don't have spirituality, or don't have faith. But that is a common misconception.
Atheism is a very simple concept it simply means "Without Theism" or "Without Belief in god/s". Nothing more, nothing less. The largest group of atheists is BABIES (you have to learn about a god to have faith or belief in one, nobody is born with a faith or belief in a god or gods). The second largest group of atheists is BUDDHISTS. Lots of Christian and Theist Scholars today begin to describe god as more of a "force" or "law" than an entity. To do so is beginning to approach Buddhism and it's really stretching to describe that as "theism" once you've reached that point.
My faith runs very deep, I've seen things that most might not have the fortune to see... yet I am in fact an atheist.
REDZULU2003
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I'll link this thread in here as-well. Has loads of e books on many religions.
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Crazy Doc;424502 said:
I believe that this thing called God exists - I don't believe that it is in any form that *we* as human beings may currently understand.
I don't think that it's that Old bearded man up in the sky, I believe it's something far more 'energy' based as it were.
But I *do* believe that whatever word you want to give it, that yes, there is a 'god' and that we are all part of the great plan of the Universe, we are evolving, along with the Universe's expansion - we are part of that expansion.
In the book I mentioned, Neale asks 'God' to make himself visible so that he could see who/what it was that he was channelling - and God replied along the lines that 'I am a form you would not understand'. The cynics would say "Nice cop out", whereas most of us can accept that. If there was a Creator, he (oops !) must be extremely advanced and way ahead of our current knowledge I'd be sure of that.
Do you not feel that you are here for a purpose ?? That you are playing your part in this great scheme of things ??
Peace to you all.
P.S. I'm not sure I'd agree that the largest group of atheists are babies !!! I could argue that they are the largest group of believers in God !! For to me, they come from that pure place of love (I'm not talking about the love of their parents) and it's only over a period of time, as they grow up, when humans (especially adults) taint them with Ego that they start to lose their 'god-li-ness' and become less from God and start questioning why this and why that (back to ego-ic mind/thinking).
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Shooting for 7";424544 said:
This couple paragraphs sums up my feelings along with the ideas that basically, man's whole CORRUPTION of religion is the ARROGANT view that "my CHRISTIAN, BUDDHIST, MUSLIM, MORMON, CATHOLIC, (insert religion) view of God is the only correct view and damn you if you don't believe what I do" I have yet to find a religious person who was not truly open minded about religion. It (religion) is honestly one of the most closed minded, (dare I say) brain-washing indoctrinations that exists.
stillwantmore2;424551 said:
No disrespect to you my friend, but I wouldn't get so defensive about religions - just take from them the good that resonate with you and disregard what doesn't.
We are all 'teachers' - man there are things which people on this site have explained fantastically, which I simply haven't understood otherwise. It's how things are explained whether they'll work for you.
If they don't they'll work for someone else. Take muslim religion - now that was something that was shoved down my throat for most of my life (I'm 48). When both my parents died, I went through divorce etc etc, I was finally able to 'please myself' - guess what ?? I got rid of the Muslim label - for years I was told to believe in something which felt alien to me. My parents didn't know better (for I live in the UK and the Muslim religion was prevalent where they came from). With my little knowledge of their mother tongue and my own being English, Christianity or rather the teachings of Jesus Christ resonate easier with me.
I think there is good in religion, but man 'inter-fears' too much - and where does that fear come from ?? The ego-ic mind. This forum's about LOA etc and that stuff comes from the sub-conscious mind. So, yet again, I'm pointing back to man and his interferences......
Peace to you.
REDZULU2003
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stillwantmore2;424551 said:
On these forums your meeting lots of religious guys (Myself one Church of England) who are respectful and tolerant of all other religions and thoughts about higher beings and oneself. Many religious people are very respectful, perhaps its where you come from in the US? I know some piece of shit yank burned a Koran and started tons of shit in Afghanistan because he was a loser with no respect for other religions, especially Islam and only his religion counted. Here in the UK we are very open minded, have many places of worship for all religions plus we got the alternative stuff for those who meditate or even worship Satan.
I know some guys think they are god, the source runs via them and we are all god in a sense. Sure if that is your belief go with it.
REDZULU2003
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Shooting for 7";424557 said:
Exactly. This sub-forum is about all things religions, Occult, Spiritual, Art and Science really not just LOA. The LOA to me is nothing new at all, nothing fancy. Its used by us all the time if we know or not. Prayers, Meditation, Invocations, Chants all work by either going through yourself (Higher being) via a god or other deity but they all will feed off ENERGY and that when you break it all down and think about it is very much how the LOA comes about and reverts back to the whole universal cosmos thing.
I have known many very successful Jews and they know something many dont, but now they do. This secret is knowing how to unleash and 'manipulate' to your advantage the powers of the universe and is why to some extent 5% of the nation has all the money and power. It didn't happen by accident, sure many work hard for it but the occult has parts to play. These people know the score (Masonry) but now we all have the chance to tap into the potential, what you do from thereon in is your business.
For me this whole debate around 'Do you believe in god' is useless because those who practice anything involving meditation, occult, religion etc are connecting in some way to a god source. Thats my thoughts around it. Those who meditate and claim its all within, well your using energy aswell and this energy isnt all yours ... the whole universe as Quantum Psyhsistcs suggest is a power source, so we are tapping into it ... the god if you like for those who have no thoughts on gods is the UNIVERSE, the cosmos is the ultimate god. God is everything, its power and its all around us ... its just us pathetic humans cant see this yet or the vast majority cannot see this and instead ASSUME god is a person or has to be something we can see or touch.
Gotta assume you don't have kids then. Babies think about eating and gas, that's about it lol. One can use semantics to prove any argument. There is no question that faith is something one learns about, and certainly not as a baby. If "faith in a god" was inherent-then there would be no atheists. So stretch this concept of "god" all you like, but there's no indication that one baby would know what you are talking about. And the closest thing in theism that you are describing here would be LDS-so maybe you're a mormon and just don't know it yet!
stillwantmore2;424551 said:
You're not listening very well- I already explained that Buddhists are mostly Atheists, so we have NO view of god, god is a contradictory concept to our fundamental beliefs. My point was that guys that try to twist god into something that really contradict the very foundation of what a god is... are kind of like closet gays... they do all these things that are gay, but then try to deny they are gay lol. It's better to simply know the self and just come out with whatever you are or believe. Also-there are many ATHEIST faiths, so again your statement appears a bit ignorant. None of those believers has ANY view of any god, period.
Shooting for 7";424557 said:
If the doctrines are TRUE, there is really no way to twist them. You can't blame man for all the bad and give some god credit for all the good. If what you say were true-then ALL RELIGIONS would kill in the same per capita ratio, yet they DON'T. This indicates a problem with some doctrines, therefore religions, NOT WITH MEN.
REDZULU2003;424574 said:
Again we see some ignorance here, allow me to repeat: NOT ALL RELIGIONS HAVE A "HIGHER POWER". So you are quite wrong, MOST chants have NOTHING to do with a higher power, only the self. Most chanting is a form of meditation and may involve a mandala. Most mandalas are not depictions of a god, gods, or pantheon of beings. Not sure where you're getting your information zulu.
And by your argument, I could simply redefine pedophilia as "all things" just as you have redefined the concept of god to encapsulate everyone-including hundreds of millions that have NO concept of god nor of a "cosmic being" or whatever. This again is the fallacy of semantics. So back to the point, by your reasoning, I can now say "anyone who does any meditation, chanting, praying or any other faith based activity is a pedophile." Funny how semantics kind of throw out the rule book, idn't it
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