MAXAMEYES;424890 said:
As physical beings we have "time" to deal with, no getting around that. Spiritually, conceptually even, maybe not so much. But "the future" need only be a thought ahead.

I disagree-if time is infinite, then infinity is in the moment. Time is an illusion. Sure, you can start measuring something infinite-but you cannot finish and if it is infinite, all those measurements are meaningless. And if you live in the moment-you don't "deal with time" at all. Not saying I can live that statement, but it is how I would wish to live every moment, I can only count a few so far.
 
Time may be infinite, but we sure ain't.
And now there's a growing body of evidence, and argument, that "time" as we have known and defined it for ...well...just about ever, actualy just does not exist. Even Einstein observed that 2 hours with a pretty girl could seem like 10 minutes where 10 minutes on a hot stove could seem like 2 hours.

I like Steven Wright's take on it: Time is Gods way of keeping everything from happening all at once.

Like most things, for each individual it's a matter of perspective and definition.
Crazy Doc;424891 said:
I disagree-if time is infinite, then infinity is in the moment. Time is an illusion. Sure, you can start measuring something infinite-but you cannot finish and if it is infinite, all those measurements are meaningless. And if you live in the moment-you don't "deal with time" at all. Not saying I can live that statement, but it is how I would wish to live every moment, I can only count a few so far.
 
MAXAMEYES;424942 said:
Time may be infinite, but we sure ain't.
And now there's a growing body of evidence, and argument, that "time" as we have known and defined it for ...well...just about ever, actualy just does not exist. Even Einstein observed that 2 hours with a pretty girl could seem like 10 minutes where 10 minutes on a hot stove could seem like 2 hours.

I like Steven Wright's take on it: Time is Gods way of keeping everything from happening all at once.

Like most things, for each individual it's a matter of perspective and definition.

Agreed, also I'd point out that a lot of what I'm saying is Idealism, but Idealism that I fully believe. I'm not saying it's easy to live it, it's damn near impossible-but the correct path SHOULD be difficult, not easy. I care about THIS world, not the next. And that is not because of lack of faith in the next world-that is irrelevant, I simply believe that THIS is the "pure land", for purity is in the mind, not some distant environment.
 
doublelongdaddy;424843 said:
In my opinion it is smart to believe in God because if you don't and he is real it would really suck when you pass :) I would rather have faith and play it safe.

It's like the lotto. You can't get saved if ya don't play.
 
The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings.

Buddha.
 
Do Buddhists Believe in God? -- by Kusala Bhikshu

Why is it... The Buddha never talked about the One God of the desert, the Judeo-Christian God? Does this mean that all Buddhists are atheists and don’t believe in God? Did the Buddha believe in God?

These are some of the questions I would like to try and answer today.

The Buddha was born 500 years before Christ, in what is now Nepal. His dad was a king, his mom was a queen, and his dad wanted him to take over the family business (the kingdom) when he got older.

The kind of world the Buddha was born into was magical. Everything seemed to be alive. The trees, mountains, lakes, and sky were living and breathing with a variety of gods in charge. If you needed rain you asked one god, if you needed it to stop raining you asked another. The priests of India did all the religious work, and got paid for it.

In India at the time of the Buddha you became a priest if you were born into the right family, and not because of the school you went to, or the grades you got.

There were other kinds of religious people as well.

Mendicants were men who left their family, friends, and jobs to find the answers to life. They did not live in homes or apartments, but lived under trees and in caves, and would practice meditation all day long. They wanted to really be uncomfortable, so they could understand what suffering was all about.

Many kinds of meditation were practiced by these mendicants. In Tranquility Meditation for instance, you think about just one thing, like looking at a candle or saying a word over and over. When the mind becomes focused in oneness, you experience a great peacefulness.

Even if the mendicants were sitting in the rain on a cold day, they were still content. They found in their meditation practice the essence of happiness.

Renunciation is when you give up all the things that make your life pleasant. Sometimes the people with money and power in India would buy a lot of stuff to make themselves happy and their lives more comfortable, thinking that happiness and comfort depended on what they owned.

When the mendicants could see their own suffering clearly, after many years of renunciation, they understood that happiness was not dependent on the things they owned, but the kind of life they lived.

Even all the gods in India could not end the suffering of one human being.

At the age of 29, the Buddha stopped praying to the gods to end his suffering and the suffering of others. He left his family and friends, went to the edge of the forest, took off all his clothes and jewelry, covered his naked body with rags of cloth, cut off his hair and started to meditate.

He became a mendicant, and It took him six years of hard work and much suffering, but in the end he was able to stop his suffering forever (Nirvana) and help others stop their suffering as well.

Did the Buddha believe in God, the One God of the desert, the God of the Christians, Jews and Muslims?

Well... No... He didn't... Monotheism (only one God) was a foreign concept to the Buddha, his world was filled with many gods. The creator god BraHydromaxa being the most important one.

At the time of the Buddha, the only people practicing the religion of the One God of the desert, were the Jews. Remember, it was still 500 years before Christ came into the world.

The Buddha never left India. The Buddha walked from village to village... In his entire lifetime he never went any further than 200 miles from his birthplace.

The Buddha never met a Jew... And because of this, he never said anything about the One God of the desert.

There is also nothing in the teachings of the Buddha that suggest how to find God or worship the god's of India, although the Buddha himself was a theist (believed in gods), his teachings are non-theistic.

The Buddha was more concerned with the human condition: Birth, Sickness, Old age, and Death. The Buddhist path is about coming to a place of acceptance with these painful aspects of life, and not suffering through them.

Please be clear on this point... The Buddha is not thought of as a god in Buddhism and is not prayed to. He is looked up to and respected as a great teacher, in the same way we respect Abraham Lincoln as a great president.

He was a human being who found his perfection in Nirvana. Because of his Nirvana, the Buddha was perfectly moral, perfectly ethical, and ended his suffering forever.

Does that mean that every Buddhist in the world is an atheist?

No!!! I have met a lot of Buddhists who believe in God. I have met a lot of Buddhists who don’t believe in God... And a lot of Buddhists just don’t know.

All three points of view are OK if you’re Buddhist because suffering is more important than God in Buddhism.

Sometimes a student will ask me how everything in this world got started... "If you don’t have God in Buddhism then who or what caused the universe?"

When the Buddha was asked how the world started, he kept silent. In the religion of Buddhism we don’t have a first cause, instead we have a never ending circle of birth and death. In this world and in all worlds, there are many beginnings and ends. The model of life used in Buddhism has no starting place... It just keeps going and going.

Now having said that... If you’re a Buddhist it’s OK to believe God was the first cause... It really doesn't go against the teachings of the Buddha, his focus was on suffering... It's also OK to believe science has the answer… Like the big bang theory, etc... Some Buddhist’s don’t even care how it all started, and that’s fine too. Knowing how the world started is not going to end your suffering, it’s just going to give you more stuff to think about.

I hope you can see that God is not what Buddhism is about... Suffering is... And if you want to believe in God, as some Buddhists do, I suppose it's OK. But, Buddhist's don't believe God can end suffering. Only the teaching's of the Buddha can help us end suffering through wisdom and the activity of compassion.

In his whole life and in all his teachings the Buddha never said anything about the One God of the desert.
 
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Here is what the late Dr. Suzuki, one of the greatest teachers of Zen Buddhism, says about his concept of God: "If God after making the world puts Himself outside it, He is no longer God. If He separates Himself from the world or wants to separate Himself, He is not God. The world is not the world when it is separated from God. God must be in the world and the world in God."(
 
I would have to chime in on this: First, there are many buddhists that treat Buddha (and this is used generally as there are hundreds of buddhas, bodhisattvas and other beings) as a god, including praying to one Buddha, several Buddhas or a pantheon of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas... So I'm not sure where you got the info max but I have to assume it's about a specific sect or branch. Buddhism ranges from Polytheism to Monotheism to Atheism, depending on which sect. And each of those would likely say the others are "non-Buddhist" due to doctrinal differences (Just as I have in this or another thread). To my knowledge the Buddha (here I mean the historical Buddha, Gautama) renounced BraHydromaxanism, so to claim he believes in a god or gods doesn't make much sense. It is also clear that he taught life to be infinite, and thus that no creation has ever occurred. Just as there is no end, there is no beginning in Buddhism. So mixing creation with Buddhism is illogical. I'm not well versed in every sect, so who knows-maybe some Buddhists do cling to creation ideas.

Lastly, and this is an important point that you failed to mention: Those Buddhist sects that DO have gods do not have gods in the Western sense. They have powers and so forth, but for starters they are not infinite like western concepts of Gods. I believe they live around 16,000 years. These gods are also considered LOWER than the human being as the gods do not have the potential for Buddhahood-these gods must be reborn as human beings to have the chance to attain Buddhahood. So you can call them "theist" if you like, but considering what the word normally means, I would say it's not very accurate. A better word might be "Metaphysical" as they believe in metaphysical things, including these beings with special powers.

However, I would also argue that the Buddha taught progressively. He taught from the simplest to the complex. He used many tools to teach. For example, he originally claims he attains Buddhahood while meditating under a tree, but later he claims he attained Buddhahood in the remote past (trillions of lifetimes ago). The point being there that Buddhahood is always there, the potential for it is eternal and was there before he lived this life. I see Buddhism like math, he starts out with addition, and continues on and on into more complex math. The problem is, people would stop and cling to the addition or some other lower math thinking it is the entirety or complete or highest teaching, when in reality it was a mere building block.

We can only speculate on what men like this (those that lived long ago) believed or taught or meant... but there is no question to me that the Lotus Sutra is his highest teaching and from that perspective, gods are nothing more than the representation of the world (life condition) of "Heaven"-the relief of a suffering or fulfillment of desire. Also-on that note, Theravada Buddhism may be about "suffering" but Mahayana is not in most cases. Buddhism is about reason and happiness and transforming suffering.
 
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My beliefs have evolved over the years.

I was born into a family of.....I guess I would call them semi-passive Christians.....Church every Sunday, some social involvement in Church events, good people who lived good honest lives but did not regularly discuss God or The Bible or beliefs or Religion. It was something which was accepted and never questioned.

As I grew up I was exposed to a lot of the hypocrisy of Christianity, and even at a young age, I noticed it and thought it was wrong. People seemed to throw their values out when it suited their purpose (not all Christians - just many of those around me, family and beyond). And as I learned about many of the terrible deeds carried out in His name, I was given a horrible awakening. But I never blamed God.

I had the grace to realise that this was not God's fault - rather, his PR department were letting Him down badly.

To this day, I hear doubters and Atheists say "Where was God when this happened to me? Where was God when that happened?"

I think God was with them the whole time, but they rejected Him because He did not deliver the miracle they wanted. I feel like a lot of people think God ought to hit Pause every time something bad is happening and step in and fix it.

God doesn't work that way. And for that reason, some shun God because he doesn't do what THEY think he should. He doesn't conform to their expectations of what God should be and do.

If I get in a car and try to drive underwater, I'd be screwed. Why? Because I clearly don't understand what cars are for. Would I say "Automobiles be damned" and wash my hands of them? No. I would have to improve my understanding of cars and utilise them wisely and correctly and not expect them to sail or fly.

That admittedly weak analogy reminds me of the relationship many people ultimately develop with God. "You didn't do what I wanted so we're done".

Now......bear with me here.....

As I have grown older, I have had many thoughts, ideas, and questions about the existence of the G-man, and I have made my peace with this philosophy:

It is hard for me to believe in the concept of the invisible man up in the sky with the big beard who watches everything. It is hard for me to take the Bible literally - it is the most misinterpreted text of all time. I think there is great wisdom in its teachings, but I also think it to be entirely man-made. This offends people, and I'm sorry for that. I have no wish to offend anyone or their beliefs.

I believe in a Divine creative force within the universe. Some call it God. We humans love to personify. Hey, we even give our Hurricanes names, right?

Some say that divine creative force is nature. Some say it is science. Some say it is God. Others call it Allah. And so on.

I believe we are all correct. We just give that Divine force different names, get to it different ways, assign different expectations to it, attach different rules to it.

You believe in the Law of Attraction? Karma?

All the work of the Divine creative force, in my most humble opinion.

I do not fully understand it. No-one ever really did, and no-one ever really will. Whatever you call it, however you celebrate it, worship it, honour it, whatever you expect of it, no matter how you curse it? It's fine. It's there. It does what it does and it will continue to forever.

Do I believe it steps in on command and rescues you? No. Why? Because part of the lesson is in our hands.

Treat people well. Spread love wherever you go. Do not ask for possessions. Do not ask for wealth. Be good. Work hard. Be positive. Lift others up. Do not expect the Divine force to send you a cheque for a million dollars. Money is not Divine. Money is a negative system which can provide positive temporary solutions, but it is not Divine by nature. Curb your expectations. Be a good person. Do not curse the Divine force when you are disappointed.

I believe in a higher order, but I never claim to understand it and I expect nothing from it. It put us here, but what happens while we're here is up to us.

And remember - even if you turn your back on something..........it's still there.

Feel free to disagree, my brothers, but please let's not argue about our beliefs. That is the biggest problem in the history of mankind.
 
I am a biblical Christian. I worship the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of the Bible. I belong to no religion, for me it’s Jesus plus nothing.
 
I have been studying and researching this field for over a decade already.
There was a point in my life in which I had all these philosophical questions and I needed an answer. I wasn't gonna sit down and follow the rest like a sheep.

I will start by saying this, and I will elaborate and explain later about it. Every time you use the word "believe", you are implying ignorance. You are implying lack of information. You imply a "guess". It is proof of nothing, is like if tomorrow I spread the word at work that I won the lottery and now I am a multimillionaire. People at work and people who know me have 2 options: believe or do not believe in Jackxxx. Do any of them have proof? NO. Their common sense will tell them to NOT believe, unless they see real changes like me buying a new car, a new big house, a yacht, etc. If they see me living in the exact same conditions, their common sense will tell them that I am full of it.

But now let me change something in the story. And see how common sense and reason work. Imagine the same scenario, only with the difference that I selected 5 people and showed them my bank account, my assets, and I even gave them a lot of money to each one of them. Nobody else knows that I did this, only those 5 people. The rest only know about the news, but the rest have no proof.

150 years go by, and these 5 people to whom I showed them my life changing events, told their kids about me. And their grandsons. And by the 3 generation, one of them wrote a book about the story.

That book down the road 150-200 years in the future, will be labeled as myth, science fiction, the original story will be twisted and modified. Overall, nobody will believe that the story was real unless an investigation uncovers that it was. But if there is no concrete proof, it will just stay at the discretion of the reader which most probably will consider the whole story "an invention"

Now lets get closer to the topic. Lets not go that far away in history of the world. Lets go closer in our own backyard. George Washington. I ask everybody here the following: "Do you believe in George Washington?" If so, why? Do you have any proof of him? Did you ever meet him? True, there are signed documents. Why should I believe that those documents were really signed by a creature called George Washington? Would it be possible that the story about him was fabricated and somebody else signed? After all, there is no proof. It is only popular belief to trust in the accounts and spread thew word. It is a social psychological phenomenon.

When it comes to our origins, we are trapped in a similar situation. 2 main streams theorize our existence. One is the scientific field, the other is the religious field. What each one of them states: The scientific filed tell us that basically we evolved from a common ancestor. In essence we are primates, nothing more than primates, and will never be more than a primate.

Well, there is a problem with that theory. Number one, there is no proof. A lot of "scientists" play tricks with semantics talking about the relationship of DNA and proteins, and enzymes and a lot of bullshit to justify their salaries. But it doesnt add up. Evolution of the species is true, real, it happens every where al the time, but in the case of homo sapiens, NOPE. It doesn't make sense. In fact, there is a reason why the alleged "missing link" still hasn't been found. Again, "scientists" play trick sayin "oh yes it was found already it turns out that we are a mix with neardenthal and we also coexisted with this other creature here and eventually we prevailed and here we are. BULLSHIT. Bring me PROOF, not BULLSHIT.

All primates have a penis bone. All of them. We dont. Our erecitons work by inflating a balloon like a horse. Primates have an erection with a tiny bit of blood that push this bone out and theyre ready to go. Why did it change? when? how long did it take? which was the first creature without a penis bone? was it a homo sapiens? if it wasn't, why that creature got extinct? if it got extinct how then him sapiens didn't? Well, good luck. Science will never be able to explain you that.

Evolution is based on several mutations that occur in a species as a process of adaptation to the environment. Its called natural selection. The strong, better adapted survive, it gets to reproduce. The weak less adapted mother nature gets rid of it, cannot reproduce. If the whole species cannot adapt, it goes extinct.

IF HOMO SAPIENS, came from primates perfectly adapted to their environment, then why do we have the genetic defects we carry. Why do we get skin cancer from the sun. A creature that is adapted to this planet like primates, dont get skin cancer.. Losing that adaptation is not evolution. How come we cannot sleep on the floor. Why do we need mattresses? We need chairs. Animals dont. Why? when did that change? Anyways. There are thousands of irrational things related to that so called theory of evolution of humans. It has always been a theory and it will always be a theory.

There is simply not enough time for that huge gigantic leap from a primate to a creature that today is putting robots on another planets and building space stations in orbit. Theres simply not enough time. Millions of years would be required for a natural evolution of that magnitude. Not just a few thousand. Dinosaurs were here for hundreds of millions of years in a planet WAY richer of resources and way better climate than ours. And guess what. Those poor things never even invented a fork.

There is not a single ancient civilization of humans in the world that somehow worship or remembers ancient monkeys. NONE. No matter where you look in the world, no matter which ancient texts and books and stories you pull, nobody in every corner in the world remembers or worship an ancient monkey.

Now lets go to the other field of our origins: Religion.
Remember the predominant religion of christianity and catholicism was invented. It was invented for control by Emperor Constantine in 5th century AD. Before that christianity was an unorganized pagan religion based on ancient texts and development of brain abilities and enlightenment mostly taught by Jesus the Nazarene.

Before the 5th century AD, there was a knowledge of The Gods in the Roman Empire. And this is an important detail: IT WAS NOT A BELIEF. Nobody "believed" in The Gods, rather people KNEW about The Gods as part of the ancient history of the World.

Constantine through the council of Nicea and the council of Trento, grabbed all existing ancient books and texts. The complete it including everything that was convenient for the Roman Empire, and whatever did not make sense or was not convenient, they left it outside. They created the Bible. The old testament composed in its majority by texts taken from the Torah, and the New testament composed mostly by the life of Jesus. At the same time Monotheism was imposed. The "belief" of one God was imposed by the sword. Christianity became the official religion of the state, and the emperor was the representative of God on Earth. And anybody who questioned this fact was prosecuted by the state and punished by death. That is how religion started, and that is how "belief" started. The ignorant belief.

And now I clarify my initial statement. The "belief" the bible talks about is a different one. The Belief in Jesus and his father, is a form of trust. The belief asked is a way of openly accept him and trust him. Believe in HIM. The intention of belief in the bible was never intended to believe in Gods existence of Jesus existence. There was no reason to ask to believe in their existence if that was evident.

What happened, just like the analogy I wrote about me winning the lottery, the critical mass of humans exposed to our origins did not pass the critical mass. That exposure occurred before, but got erased.

So today, we are born and raised in this "belief" and this belief basically tell us to believe in a story, that has no explanation nor proof, basically saying that there is a God, that nobody knows what it is, some people call it universe, some people call it energy, some people call it a light. This light is sitting on top of a white cloud with a magic wand. And since it has nothing else to do with its existence, this light creates planets around and just happens to create humans too. And this light is spying on everybody waiting for you to fuck up and punish you.

Well, that popular belief doesnt make any sense either. Just like the theory of evolution. Some people based on that belief walk on their knees for 100 miles asking for something and if that something is the expected outcome, they attribute that random outcome to the belief. Senseless.

So what do we do? how do we get answers? Well, I did that homework. We know religion started in Rome. What was before? Well, as stated, before that it was the Knowledge of The Gods. ok The Gods. Who the fuck were The Gods. What did the Greeks said? Well, the Greeks knew about The Gods. Interesting. And what was before? or somewhere around the world? Well, in those days the Egyptian empire was in north Africa. What was the deal with them? Well, they knew about The Gods too. Interesting. In fact, their civilization and their existence was founded by the first dynasty of Pharaos.

But lets keep digging in other places. What was going on in regions like Scandinavia? Well, they knew about The Gods. Same in Asia, same in India. It was the same pantheon of Gods ruling the planet. Even more, in the Americas there were the Mayans, the Aztecs, The Incas, all of which knew about the pantheon of Gods.

OK BUT WHO THE FUCK ARE THE GODS!!!

Well, we gotta keep going further back in history. What was even before the Egyptians? The Babylonians. The knew about the pantheon of The Gods. Before them the Assyrian, The Akkadian. At that point in time, there was not much going on around other places of the planet. Ancient mesopotamia was pretty much the only place in the world with civilized human life.

And what was before the Akkadian? The Sumerian civilization. And before the Sumerian? NOTHING. Dead end. No previous human civilization. There are many sites and megalithic structures around the planet dated way older than the sumerian civilization, HOWEVER, all those sites are in no way shape or form related to the sumerians, nor any information of what or who created those gigantic structures.

So where the Sumerian came from. Who were they. What was before? ho did they learn? The sumerian showed up in the picture from one day to another with mathematics, writing, language, astrology, astronomy, farming, the plow, the wheel, cities, government, bi cameral congress, school system, geometry, even trigonometry. Not much was known about the Sumerians.

Until in the late 1800's a group of archeologist discovered in what is today Iraq, thousands and thousands of clay tablets buried under the surface of the region. Thousands of clay tablets perfectly preserved, but all written in sumerian cuneiform. Nobody know how to translate this. All those tablets and artifacts were taken to the British museum. Until almost 100 more years passed, they were able to start translating them.

The Sumerian cuneiform language is composed by over 400 characters. Way more complex that almost any language today. When scholars started translating, they were speechless.

Sumarizing, Sumerians stated that their civilization was created by a Pantheon of Gods. These Gods ruled the earth and their kingdom, but eventually the kingdom was passed on to humans. The Gods walked on earth among them and taught them everything they knew, and The Gods themselves built their empire and all the structures around the planet in ancient times.

The Sumerian call these Gods The "Anunnaki" which translates into "those who from the heavens to earth came"

Around 450,000 years after sending probes to earth, The Gods made the first expedition to this planet. They were looking for gold. Massive amounts. And they found it in abundance here. Their home planet was losing its atmosphere. Processing the gold in monoatomic form and spraying it in the atmosphere they realized they would be able to control their climate and save it.

For thousands of years these beings themselves were digging the gold with advanced machines, but still it required their presence and work. Until finally some day they revolted. The atmospheric pressure, temperature, oxygen levels and over all gravity, was killing them.

The planet in those days was under the rule of 2 bothers, appointed by their own father. Their father, Anu, stayed in his home planet. His sons, Enki and Enlil, were given the task of rule the earth and supervise operations. Enlil was given the lands and ENki the waters. Enki was a master genetic engineer. As a solution, he proposed the creation of a rudimentary biological creature that could do the job form them. He grabbed the DNA of the Homo Erectus and mixed it with his DNA. The first homo sapiens was created. He made that creature just able to follow basic instructions, unable to reproduce. This first creation took place in southern Africa where giant ancient mines have been unearthed. (search adam's calendar or ancient African mines) These creatures were kept in stalls like animals and were not intelligent enough to do a productive and efficient job.

Thousands of years passed, until Enki came up with the new version of his creation. He called it the Adamu, adjust like a previous creation, a woman was created for him too as a companion. This last creation, the Adamu, was dangerous because it was created in their image after their likeness, with very similar intelligence. They were put in an enclosed habitat to observe and record their behavior.

To make a long story short, the creation was a mistake. They populate the earth fasted than expected and their intelligence was too advanced for the planet and its environment. Enki's father And and his brother Enlil had the opinion of destroying the creation but Enki always opposed to this.

The Anunnaki stationed in orbit assisting the settlements on earth, known as the Igigi (The watchers) saw that earth was populated by beautiful females that looked just like them but in wild form. They secretly started coming down to grab and rape as many as they could. The genetic differences gave birth to some atrocities such as the giants. These Gods taught humans to work the metals and create weapons of war. The planet was devastated in corruption, blood and sodomy.

Anu and Enlil agreed to not eliminate the creation, HOWEVER, they decided to intervene in the natural warming of the planet and produce a MASSIVE melting of a polar ice sheet. This caused a sudden catastrophic raise of sea levels. All the towns in those days were located in coastal areas. All of them around the world got flooded and the vast majority of life was extinct. Enki, who never gave up on his creation, saved a chosen one descendant of pure created line. His name was Utnapistim. AKA Ziusudra, Noah. Other humans survived in other areas too. Wicked and corrupted, they reproduced once again to take over the world. The Gods never took again an active role in between humans, but rather from behind the scenes.

The Gods remained during all ancient civilizations intervening a specific times and communicating with selected humans. They also kept attempting to steer the civilization towards a specific path sending some of their own to influence humanity.

The most important one to this day, was a God known in ancient Sumer as Ningizshida. This God was a master manipulator of multidimensional energy and matter. He had the ability to reincarnate, he had the power to resurrect himself and others. He could manipulate matter to heal humans and even to walk on water. That same God, Ningizshida, was known in Egypt as Toth. Toth was known in Greece as Hermes. Hermes was known in Rome as Mercury.

It turns out, all these Gods that ancient civilizations knew about, were the same dieties around the world, just with different names. That same God Mercury, was reincarnated and inseminated in artificial form into a human female. He was reborn as Jeshua, known today for us as Jesus. He was a full blood God, born from a human female. This God Jesus or originally Ningizshida, is a direct son of the line of Enki. Jewish people was chosen by Enlil, who is brother and enemy of Enki. That is one of the many conflicts why some aspects of Judaism reject Jesus.

The mission of Jesus, once he completed his training, was to influence civilization one last time in an attempt to organize an established civilization. The mission failed. Jesus was brutally assassinated by humans. Tortured like no man has been tortured before, crucified with nails in his arms and feet and left to suffocate in a cross. Of course, he resurrected himself and was rescued, only to leave the planet with the Gods and never return for any form of influence, only when the time is right and come back for a complete obliteration "with the army of the heavens" and take over of the planet once again.

There are literally years of data, information, study, details, correlated stories that create this whole picture. This is a general sequence of events, and the information is out there publicly.

Everything I mentioned comes from scientific research of translation from the original sumerian clay tables dated back to 6,000 BC.

If anybody would like to start reading about this research, my best recommendation is to read a book called "The 12th planet" by Zecharia Sitchin. Bible scholar, and one of the first to translate Sumerian cuneiform. The book "the 12th planet" belongs to a series of books called "Earth chronicles" being "the 12th planet" the first of the series and the one that will explain you most of the stories behind the translations.
 
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The best way is to put on the table ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE. All of it. from the scientific stream to the religious stream to the mythical stream, historic data, information, knowledge, archeological, mathematical, spiritual, etc. EVRYTHING. A puzzle of mills of pieces of information.

Only then through a process of critical thinking and reason, something that put us light years apart from a monkey, we an create a more clear pictures of the possible scenarios. Reason and logic do not fail in this dimension of time and space.
 
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well in essence we are energy too. Our energy is multidimensional and immortal.
just like The Gods. The difference is that their knowledge and technology allows them to manipulate this energy beyond a single carbon unit carrier (body) which is biologic and trapped in a single dimension of time and space.
 
This is old subject but I think I could not pass without replying.
There is one God who is the creator of this universe and he is not jesus, sorry cristina guys. Jesus is a man who was honored to be a God's messenger .
Just spend more time to study religion from the right place and people , and not just your religion all .then you will be able know your path.
 
One of the many reasons why this subject is old and never ending, is because as I explained before, ignorance. And I dont mean ignorance in an insulating way, I say it as lack of information which we all suffer from. That is why. For science is easy to beat down there topic because science conveniently takes one step at a time proving every single step so nobody can deny them. In the case of religion is nothing proven, its all fictional and word of the mouth. Or is it?

You cant really say that Jesus was an ordinary man who was honored to be Gods messenger. Where did you get that from? Who said that? where does it say? who wrote it? when? Because the problem is, if you go to christianity which was invented and extorted by the Roman Empire, it will say one thing. But if you go to the original manuscripts like the dead sea scrolls for example and ancient civilization predictions from before, is a complete different story.

The bible for example omit the part in which Virgin Mary before being pregnant was visited by 2 "angels" who put her to sleep and then told her she was going to be pregnant with the son of God.

Well, of course there is no such thing a cherubins with wings flying down from a cloud. These were two astronauts, aliens, Gods, its all the same, who came down and after putting Mary under anesthesia they artificially inseminated her with this alien body which received Ningizshida reincarnated.

So Jesus was a true bone and flesh God, son of what he calls the Father which we could imply was Marduk, his biological father, or Enki, the genetic engineer father of Homo Sapiens, or even Anu, Supreme ruler of their home planet.

As far as who created the universe, it wasn't them or it wasn't "God", unless you or any other human is completely fabricating and inventing a different God. Our only God or Gods, are those who came from a different planet and created us.

The confusion comes because if you research the ancient clay tablets of the Sumerian civilization, one of the scribes was writing the words of Lord Enki in those days. These compilation of tablets was made public by Zecharia Sitchin in a book called "The lost book of Enki"

Lord Enki makes reference only ONE TIME to what he calls "The creator of all" meaning, the one who created the universe when time begun, implying that it was not them, but somebody else perhaps greater than our imagination can ever realize.

At the same time, the old testament is confusing in the book of genesis with the seven days of creation. It was never 7 days of creation.

The tale of 7 days of creation comes form the "Enuma Elish" the Sumerian poem of the origins of the Solar System. The Enuma Elish was written in 7 tablets of creation and explain the scientific phenomenon behind the creation of the Solar System with it 12 members and the asteroid belt. 12 members because its 9 planets, not 8 as some barbaric so called "scientists" have been trying to impose, 9 planets, plus they counted the moon, Sun plus another object that orbits outside and we haven't found yet, being what it theorized today to be the 12th planet, or planet x, nemesis, red dragon, etc depicted throughout history in every single ancient civilization.
 
There is one God the Lord Jesus Christ. That one God is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. That’s my belief and nothing will ever change it. I respect your beliefs but I truly wish she would except Jesus Christ.
 
There is one God the Lord Jesus Christ. That one God is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. That’s my belief and nothing will ever change it. I respect your beliefs but I truly wish she would except Jesus Christ.

Well, it turns out that after all my years of research I do not "believe" in a God or in Jesus. Instead, I KNOW Jesus and The Gods and who is our true God. There is no question in my mind, there is no doubts anymore. There are no more question marks. Jesus IS INDEED OUR SAVIOR. Known as Hermes in the Greek Empire he was known as "The carrier of the souls" Because when we finally leave this physical dimension of time and space, is Jesus who take us in our true spiritual form to the kingdom of the heavens. This is not science fiction, this is not myth, this is FACT. Of course, I cannot prove it through ridiculous prehistoric so called "scientific method", BUT that would be like having to scientifically prove to everybody who is your mom or who is your dad. You or we dont have to. We know who are they and we just say this is my mom or this is my dad. With Jesus, even though his story has been distorted, ridiculed, and these days attacked more than ever before, his word never died. In reality he succeeded. He literally gave his life for us. He suffered, felt unbearable pain, bled to death, for us. But his teachings and word surpassed the critical mass and spread all over the world. He resurrected, not only to return to the kingdom of the heavens, but to be in a high position of power ready to return some day.

It really change your life to find and discover all out true origins with proof. Every time I watch a movie that is about the life of Jesus I cry. Because I imagine how valuable was his presence on earth. Just imagine for ONE MINUTE, have the opportunity to go back in time to those days and see him and meet him in person, KNOWING who he is/was. I would fall on my knees and just cry without a reason, and in shock. To have literally GOD in front of you. A high power that we cannot even comprehend and we will never comprehend.

I recommend a movie quite recent called "Risen" It is about what happened to a Roman general who was exposed to Jesus. Based on true stories.
 
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Well, it turns out that after all my years of research I do not "believe" in a God or in Jesus. Instead, I KNOW Jesus and The Gods and who is our true God. There is no question in my mind, there is no doubts anymore. There are no more question marks. Jesus IS INDEED OUR SAVIOR. Known as Hermes in the Greek Empire he was known as "The carrier of the souls" Because when we finally leave this physical dimension of time and space, is Jesus who take us in our true spiritual form to the kingdom of the heavens. This is not science fiction, this is not myth, this is FACT. Of course, I cannot prove it through ridiculous prehistoric so called "scientific method", BUT that would be like having to scientifically prove to everybody who is your mom or who is your dad. You or we dont have to. We know who are they and we just say this is my mom or this is my dad. With Jesus, even though his story has been distorted, ridiculed, and these days attacked more than ever before, his word never died. In reality he succeeded. He literally gave his life for us. He suffered, felt unbearable pain, bled to death, for us. But his teachings and word surpassed the critical mass and spread all over the world. He resurrected, not only to return to the kingdom of the heavens, but to be in a high position of power ready to return some day.

It really change your life to find and discover all out true origins with proof. Every time I watch a movie that is about the life of Jesus I cry. Because I imagine how valuable was his presence on earth. Just imagine for ONE MINUTE, have the opportunity to go back in time to those days and see him and meet him in person, KNOWING who he is/was. I would fall on my knees and just cry without a reason, and in shock. To have literally GOD in front of you. A high power that we cannot even comprehend and we will never comprehend.

I recommend a movie quite recent called "Risen" It is about what happened to a Roman general who was exposed to Jesus. Based on true stories.

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Are use these memes to begin my sermons every night in my ministry. This seems like a perfect place to post them. Let me know what you think. If anyone wants me to expand and explain more just let me knowView attachment 1821933
 

Ill watch it one of these days. I saw a little bit here and there to get a glance. It is evident anywhere in the world when studying ancient civilizations, it can be CLEARLY seen the difference in construction when more recent humans took over the empire. Most ancient civilizations built on top of what was already built many thousands of years before.

Interestingly enough I was watching another video last night on youtube in which a researcher/archeologist was showing the differences in ages in constructions in Egypt where the most ancient stone has water erosion dated to be in the area over 10,000 years old, while the newer stones were just some 2,000 years old.

At the same time most civilizations explain themselves who started them and who built the megalithic structures. They always point to The Gods. They were the ones ruling the earth and started civilization all over the world. In the case of Egyptians it was the fist Dynasty who were pure Gods strictly using humans as slaves. In fact, we see the depictions of Akhenaten in which he clearly does not look completely human.

When the Spanish conquistadors first arrive in what was the Inca civilization in Peru and the Aymara in Bolivia, of course one of the first things they asked was "HOW THE FUCK did y'all build all of this" In every case they always explain "it was already built when we got here" or "it was built by our space brothers"

Ancient civilizations knew better than we know. I find the arrogance of the "scientific" community to be insulting. To deny, cover up and distort our origins. To push down our throats a RIDICULOUS and IMBECILE theory saying that we came from monkeys. Its is an atrocity. I dont know about others, But I dont have nor feel that I have any relationship with a monkey. I mean, when I look at those poor things no matter what variation they are, I can only feel sad for the rudimentary primitive brain they have.
 
Well don't get Organized Religion and Religion mixed up. Organized Religion & Dogma in general is designed to keep you in chains one way or another.

Actual Religion can Help teach you about life and successful ways to live it if you so choose. Most Christians don't actually read the bible. But then again many versions of it are Organized Religion (Rewritten from the Original into Dogma instead of Self-Discovery)

 
That is what original Religion is (or Esoteric Christianity) that was co-opted into Organized Religions.

Nevermind its not just that -
its about getting you to question everything or at least trust in yourself (taking back your power)
and (maybe) start the journey inwards

Holistic living - Living without Duality
Unifying the 3 yous - Social, Internal and Nature.
Total Self-Reliance - Actual Self Esteem
Becoming Self-Actualized - Developing the Ego to the point it takes command of the Superego and ID.
Living in your Conscious. Getting out of your own Way to your very core.
 
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True, that was the original christianity before it was taken over by the Romans and invented into a centralized organized monotheistic doctrine.

The true christianity comes from all the ancient teachings from The Gods. Mostly from Jesus, the most influential in relatively recent times.
 
Also original knowledge included Alchemy, in which the use of Mercury was extremely important in this planet.
Incorporating science, ancient Mercury has been found in recently discovered caves in the pyramids of Mexico. And if you connect the dots, Jesus was known as Mercury in the ancient days of the Roman Empire. Same God was Hermes in the Greek Empire, and Hermes was for the Greeks the "carrier of the souls" due to his out of this world advance knowledge in energy manipulation, resurrection, immortality, time space travel, reincarnation.

Apologies for exanding in the topic since there is so much "mysticism" and ignorance in our society due to government control and manipulation of our origins, but everything has an explanation and everything was very well documented by our past civilizations. All the information is available but scattered all over the place, unorganized, and labeled as MYTH by the governments.

It was Jesus the builder of ALL pyramids in the world. I feel it important to relay this information for everybody to know and do your own research to confirm it.

After the great flood took place and the mining operations in coastal towns were destroyed, specially in Africa, new gold settlements needed to be found. Large amounts of Gold was found in the American continent. Specially what is today Mexico, central america, northers south america.

Ningizshida was appointed to find, build new installations. Ningizshida, who was Toth in Egypt and the master mind behind all the pyramids in Egypt, traveled to America where gold was found. Initially, in order to establish a center of operations, he brought with him helpers from Africa. THAT is the reason why you see the giant Olmec stone heads of African humans in that area, something that "scientists" cannot explain to this day, nor they will ever be able because their methods are deplorable.

With the help of these African helpers Ningizshida raised the Mayan, Aztec and the ancestors of the Incas in America.

Although there is no written record, there are HIGH probabilities that Ningizshida was known for American creation as Kukulkan, Quetzalcoatl, a serpent plumed God. Not that he crawled like a serpent, but The Gods are actually Reptiles in nature. We are a hybrid of mammals and reptiles (them)

I mention these stories because involved in the teachings of Ningizshida/Kukulcan/Jesus Christ, was the use of Alchemy. Specially Mercury with electricity to create antigravity. There was plenty of use of electricity in the ancient world, only to be rediscovered in recent times. Look up "the Baghdad battery" to have an idea of the principles of electricity use in ancient times.

Although we will never be Gods, WE DO posses the power in our brains of multidimensional existence. Our body is physical matter, composed of carbon atoms, and CANNOT physically travel to another dimension of time and space. Our Soul however, IS multidimensional energy, and WE DO have a multidimensional portal in our carbon units. It is called the Pineal Gland. VASTLY depicted and used in ancient times. When you dream, it is your subconscious brain traveling to multiple dimensions of time and space. IT IS REALITY, just not real in this dimension of time and space in which your conscious and carbon unit coexist.

When we die, is the beginning of our true existence. Once we die, we get out of our vessel (body) and we become multidimensional ion existence. We exist everywhere at the same time, and that is the true existence in this universe. In our present perception of existence, in reality we are trapped in one dimension of time and space of suffering, in which we tend to try to make the best out of it.

Following the teachings of Jesus Christ/Ningizshida of enlightenment is the beginning to a liberty and freedom of joy, and preparedness to enter the kingdom of the heavens.
 
Some information to corroborate ancient knowledge, read the Vaimanika Shakstra, a text inside the Vagavadgita, a sacred book of the Mahabharata.

The Vaimanika Shakstra explains the propulsion system used by the Vimana, the flying vehicles used by The Gods. The propulsion system was composed by spinning mercury creating an electromagnetic field that cancels gravity.

This phenomenon is known today as the "lorentz force" in physics, something every "taboo" in science since is the foundation of highly classified top secret technology in military.
 
I was gonna say before your comments, its actually Jesus vs Organized Religions (not Religion vs Organized Religion) but you already did.

Interesting info, i'll look into it.
 
Yes, although The Gods walked among humans after creation took place and they were still ruling the earth, after the great flood the kingdom was passed to humans. The Gods remained on earth for thousands of years but not interfering directly in the creation. Humans learned from them all the basics to develop civilization but the knowledge was very primitive in terms of enlightenment. Jesus was the one who created this closed sect of knowledge, not only as Jesus, but he started hundreds of years earlier en Greece in his previous material life as Hermes. Hence we use the term "Hermetic", synonym of "sealed" because it comes from the secret sect of knowledge taught by Hermes. He continued this teachings as Jesus, giving birth to the original christians after his resurrection.

By the way, these ancient knowledge has a very close relationship to the knowledge known by the ancient Kabbalah. NOT RELATED AT ALL to the modern Kabbalah. The ancient knowledge that was lost, included extreme highly advanced development of brain power. It is theorized that the top Rabbi in Israel have this knowledge and keep it as a highly protected secret between themselves.
 
All doctrines are bad.
Only information, use of reason and logic provides the individual with enlightenment.

Doctrine and religion is bad. There is only one way and that way is Jesus.
 
All this has happened in a blink of an eye LOL
For us is an eternity, in astronomical terms is absolutely nothing. If we put the amount of time of our existence in an equation that includes the life of the universe and the life of the solar system, the result in calculus would be close to ZERO.

The first one to arrive to Earth was Alalu around 450,000 years, in an attempt to gain the throne of his home planet. All the astronomy data indicated that Earth had plenty of Gold, but there was only one way to find out. Sending probes was not an option due to limited amount of time. He personally flew in here with all the necessary equipment for testing and survival, and sure enough, he found massive amounts of gold and plenty of primitive life.

Although the first human creation took place around 250,000 years ago, the kingdom or civilization was given to humans after the great flood which put us around 10,500 years ago. However, the first known human civilization is The Sumerians who lived in today mesopotamia from what we have found archeologically up to 8,000 years ago. Thats when "everything starts" for us.

If you wanna see something very interesting, look up the "sumerian king list" It is a remarkable piece of information left to us by the Sumerians.
 
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