Request for Kong

Sorry. I like shithead. I was just joking around. My kids say "Sit down, so-and-so," when they are playing Halo 2 and outgun someone else. Shithead challenged me with the tried-and-true "where's your sources" and I responded in kind. If you fail to see the humor, I apologize. I will try to not kid around in the future. :D

PS-- sorry to add this, but of the 10 people who responded to this thread, 1 (myself) was the victim of a bad circ and another (smackmybitch) has a son with a skin adhesion from circumcision. That puts the percentage of known bad circs just in this thread's respondents at 18%. Unless you count Ex, who seems to have some problems with his circ, too. Counting Ex, we could put the percentage of botched circs in this discussion at 27%-- if he thinks he's included in this. I'm not sure. Just an interesting tidbit to think about. Anyone smell that? I think it's coffee. :D j/k

your last post was pointless but the rest are a hell of a lot better approach.

Thanks. I'm shooting for a solid 33% good posts! :D

"According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, the risks of circumcision are extremely low. Only about 0.2 percent of circumcisions -- or 1 out of 476 -- lead to complications. "

http://www.cirp.org/news/beaconjournal9-12-2000/

Rest of the article is a good read if anybody is interested.

regardless of how low complications are in circumsisions why chance it when the procedure is completely unnessasary? take a look at what could happen http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm would you put your child at risk to something like this ?

Thats some good info Swank. Let's run with that a minute. What I have been able to find, there were 3.94 million babies born in the US in 98. For sake of argument, let's say exactly half of those were boys....now we have 1.97 million baby boys born that year. The math gets real easy...4138 botched circs in 98 alone. Wow. That's a large number no matter how you slice it (pun intended) Ok...back to the argument. Let's use Kong's lowest number from a medical journal of 1.5% Then of course the number leaps signifcantly to 29550. Either way there is a lot of preventable damage to penises going on in just this country.

Look. I was real lucky and I have never had a problem with what was done to me. And even though like most males my age(35) I have had my share of sexual problems. Non of which I can link to my cut. However, there are thousands of babies born every year who will have some sort pf problem. That's all I am saying. And I don't want my kid to be one of them. From now until the wife and I decide to have kids, I am going to try and give her as much info on the subject that I can to see if we can remove an entirely cosmetic proceedure from the equation. Like most fathers, when my daughter was born all I hoped for was 10 fingers and 10 toes and completely healthy. I will hope for the same if I have anymore. If your child is born healthy and completely "normal", why complicate matters by throwing something completely uneeded into the mix?

kooky

i don't think Swank was trying to justify circumsisions by giving that stat.

Oh, I don't think so either Shithead...he was just adding some info here as to what he had found and he injected no opinions one way or the other. Since we had two numbers from two guys who are 'usually' at odds here, I just used both numbers. I was the one who used an entirely 'made up' number of 1% to begin with. My point was that whether you use Kong's or Swank's number, you still have a lot of damage going on that could be eliminated.

kooky

This is my personal opinion, and I label it as such so there is no confusion. I suspect that the number of actual fucked up, "Oops, I just cut off the head" circumcisions is extremely low. Lower than swank's number, even. I think the number of plain, not-so-good "a little too much off the top" circumcisions is closer to my larger figure. It's not a black and white thing. It's shades of gray. Some worse than others, and alot of them not so bad that medical treatment is needed but still some aggravating shit like turkey neck, tight erections, loss of some sensation. There is a ���� photo model with an extremely noticeable skin bridge from the c-scar to the glans. Have you ever seen him? I wonder how many guys are out there with adhesions, bridges, nerve damage and etc. and they just think that's the way it is?

That's interesting as well Kong and needs to be said. It makes me wonder how "bad" one has to be to be labeled "botched" and how many are of the "oops, it's acceptable" variety. There is one thing that one can be 100% sure of. If you take your child out of that equation, it won't happen. Even though I have myself read cases where the circ was done without parental consent. In those cases, I honestly think the doctor should be completely stripped of his liscense, serve jail time, and get his ass sued for big time crazy money.

kook

Good for you Koooky. Glad to see you've done you homework and will try to convince your wife as best you can. If I'd known then what I know now, I never would have allowed my three sons to be circ'd. And I would have talked to my oldest son before my grandson was born.
Like you said, he can make his own decision later in life.
KOT
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I confess that both my sons are cut, too. Most young men just don't know the facts. Sadly, circumcision is presented to young parents as the normal thing to be done. I put up a little bit of a fight with my youngest-- just cause I thought it would be more "natural" if he was uncut-- and the doctor sneered and told me "Well, it's not really your decision, is it?" My wife had signed the papers already, without my presence. I myself didn't start to have real problems (erectile and sensitivity) until my thirties, and that's when I began my investigation and got educated. Now I want to make sure everyone knows!

I am part of the partly botched jobs although I never thought about it until Kongs last post.

I have a piece of skin that is right along the circ discoloration ridge(not sure of the name). This piece of skin runs along the line there and is about a half inch long and 2-3 mm wide. I can grab this piece of skin and literally see daily through it. It looks like a VERY tame version of a stretched earlobe when stretched. When not stretched it just falls flat and is not really thought about.

Hmmm. Didnt realize I was a slightly botched job.

Eww...! j/k, jakb

That puts it to 36% just of the respondents of this thread...Now that I think about it, my brother has four sons and one of them had a problem with infection and an adhesion that had to be fixed...41% now! Anyone else?

I don't think a thread in the FR forum of a Penis Enlargement website is very valid sample group for the male population at large . . .

I think the figure I quoted does take into account all reported instances if it's derived by standard means. This would include any minor things the parents notice to the very serious conditions that have an incidence rate into the one in millions level. There is, however, definately something to be said for the idea that some men may have had a less than perfect operation but didn't report it.

The chances that anything will happen are low Koooky, but that's not a good reason to have it done. I've never said once on this forum that I thought it was something that should be done, just that I think parents should still have the choice.

If you don't want it done, I'd explain to your wife that they can easily have it done later on if they want it. They're not going to be encountering any locker room situations are judgemental women for quite a while, so what would be her objection to any sons not being circed when they're younger? That seems reasonable to me anyway.

I agree that the chances of something happening are low Swank. I said earlier that I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't one of the most successful % wise of all 'common' procedures. That being said, I am sure nose jobs are way up there as well but I wouldn't consider having one of those for a new born baby either. Poor analogy I know but I don't think there is any fair comparisons.

I think my wife is like most women in this country and have very little knowledge of it and I am sure many are 'sold' right before or right after birth. I also have no clue and it's honestly none of my business of her experience with uncut men. I am sure she thinks it is easier to keep clean and that their are lower chances of problems if a baby is cut. All of which could be debated and maybe she will have second thoughts.

kooky

quakedaddy said:

Good for you Koooky. Glad to see you've done you homework and will try to convince your wife as best you can. If I'd known then what I know now, I never would have allowed my three sons to be circ'd. And I would have talked to my oldest son before my grandson was born.
Like you said, he can make his own decision later in life.
KOT
qd

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Honestly, all the negative info I have picked up on it can be directly linked to this section and to Kong for the most part. When my daughter was born, my ex and I had decided that were it a son, we would have had him cut no question asked. Now I have a lot more to go on and I would never forgive myself if something bad were to happen and I could have stopped it.

kooky

Swank said:

I don't think a thread in the FR forum of a Penis Enlargement website is very valid sample group for the male population at large . . .

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I didnt know mine was a botched job before reading this forum. Not that it has effected me in any way. It is still interesting to know.

In all actuality it is probably the best place to find out about what other mens penis' are about. The only detriment to this is that the numbers are limited here. I know I wouldnt bring up 95% of these discussions with my friends outside of here. I have never brought up botched circumsion with your friends. So with knowing that this is probably the best place to get advice and viewpoints. And yes foreskin botches.

By that comment I meant that guys replying on a thread on this topic, in a FR forum, on a Penis Enlargement site, aren't exactly what a scientist would consider a random sample that is representative of the population at large. 9/10s of the guys could chime in on this thread and say "I think I had a rotten circumcision" but that doesn't mean the figure has any connection to the general public.

It's kind of like a thread at a European cars forum (just an example) where 50% of the guys chip in and say "I had a bad time with my American or Japanese car." Doesn't mean 50% of non-Euro cars are bad, it means there are some compromising factors created by the nature of the forum itself.