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PenilePersist said:
I couldnt disagree more completely with you. However, you are entitled to your opinions.
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I couldnt disagree more completely with you. However, you are entitled to your opinions.
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9X6.5 said:
Yeah, by deduction of logic, it really seems to all come down to anxiety at this point. I could be missing something though, but try the natural anti anxiety stuff we talked about on the first page herein ... and then consider natural 5-HTP or synthetic SSRIs if that doesn't work .... but go see a primary care doctor and psychologist/psychotherapsit if it comes to that point .... and think about getting lab work done on your blood (real simple).
Give that natural stuff a try for at least a month though - IMO.
Just step away from all the bullshit in your life. Maybe even get off the computer completely. Just workout/run, laugh, go outside a lot, eat healthy, do things that make you happy without substances for the most part. Don't rush into trying to call this girl to come over tonight and just immedietly force yourself to change your attitude ... because that will be difficult to be genuine about. Just take at least a week or two off.
You could also hang out with the chick but don't have sex. Make out with her, maybe give her oral if you want ... but talk to her about your issue and explain you think it's just because you want to please her so much and are worried. But you have a big dick and are physically fit so it's all in your head if it's not in your blood ... and at 18 and physically fit it shouldn't be in your blood at all ... just your head. She should be flattered that you care so much about pleasing her and say some things to make you feel more relaxed. You guys should laugh about it.
Now, if you're trying to run game on this chick - instead of have a relationship with her .... the last type of "bonding" thing may be something you want to skip and deal with on your own.
Hope this helps.
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jqsderrida said:
Yes, as well as you are - as well as psychs are. But, go ahead and explain your opinion as I already have essentially done for that of my own. Don't leave us hanging my dear intellectual friend.
Your considerate explanation will add to this man's benefit of contemplation and resolution theory and purview of options.
Please do expound.
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PenilePersist said:
Psychiatrists are quite capable of offering psychotherapeutic aid (and oftentimes do depending on their theoretical orientations) in addition to psychopharmacological aid. Psychopharmalogical intervention for his above-described difficulties does not here make a great deal of sense. However, psychotherapeutic approaches have been constructed to address exactly this problem and have been statistically shown to be extraordinarily beneficial in ameliorating symptamology. This dramatic psychologic impotency could possibly be indicative of a severe psychiatric malaise. Like all serious medical illnesses, they should be addressed by extensively trained physicians. What I especially took umbrage to, however, was your implicit attack against seekers of psychiatric aid. You adduced, essentially, that they were helpless morons who are incapable of solving their own problems. However, the history of the profession, not speak of the metatheories of psychotherapy/analysis, shows quite a different spectacle.
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9X6.5 said:
3:00, Ouch, Sorry i could'nt be of any help. Just had the thought so i figured i'd throw it out there.
Hope some of the other's ideas help ya.
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Wow, I really appreciate the good advice bro...
Can you give me a link again to that thread....or a place where i can
obtain these anti-anxiety pills?
and what is this lab work on my blood mean?
can you explain that a little bit more?
when summer comes you just stated everything i am planning to do lol
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Nature is cruel. The male mind has the amazing ability to consciously overpower drugs and hot booty to kill an erection even with the slightest negative thought, while it is helpless when trying to do the opposite.
How is it that natural selection produced minds that can willingly shut down a function of the body necessary for survival, but cant do anything to reverse it? hehe I know I'm not helping here.
How is it that natural selection produced minds that can willingly shut down a function of the body necessary for survival, but cant do anything to reverse it? hehe I know I'm not helping here.
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jqsderrida said:
Thank you for the opportunity for mental masturbation on a topic that I have not fatigued in a long time. I was a bit bored, but I have actually nearly exhausted my interest of the topic. It was actually psychotheraputic for me in some ways. I hope that this is also of help to 9x6.5 .
Time for run-ons from me....(please forgive me for deliberate butchering of sentence formation and possibly grammar, combined with typos despite the fact that I've always been an excellent speller when I try.
)Your points are well taken. However, I like practicality. No offense to you at all, because I love your ability to think critically from what I have seen, but I see very simplistic meanings and effects - though valuable - dressed up with fancy words. This is part of the reason why I do not often choose to even put effort into vocabulary or punctuation ... and often actually run so carelessly through my posts that I have to edit all the typos if I even care about them. Maybe it's a bad habit, but I like the practicality and it's a way for me to not let my intelligence turn me into a pretentious, uptight, prick (and I'm not saying that you are one, honestly).
(I did Ace all standard and advanced studies ... but proceeded to advance and dabble in physics, chemistry, math, political science, social science (along with a "personal deveopment" focus, along with a focus on how it is all used - in conjunction with hypnosis - with marketing in business, in media and propaganda - since these three things can be one in the same) ,
egineering, economics/finance/business/sales and marketing, a bit of biology, a bit of pharamcology, a bit of medical surgery of various sorts, and some other things .... not english of course since, despite my previously proven ability to exceed with the laguage in written and spoken form ... I found/find litle interest in putting in so much effort into form of something that is largely trivial after the fundamental level - though I do appreciate and enjoy moderate observation and involvement with people who make language more of a formal art.)
Plus, if one uses forums as I do - mostly for a hobby - then I would think they would want to relax a bit - as I do want to ... so it gives me even more reason to try less ... because I try more than enough in areas of life that matter much more.
But to counter the points - not wanting to turn this into a topic about why and how to post at all, just mentioning it because it seemed relative:
I see a world culture that is growing to get far too complex with things that they shouldn't - like vanity of the body- often with pharma aid, entertainment (more American Idol votes than for any President in USA HISTORY - EVER, plus mainstream media that is apparently 90% entertainment no matter which mainstream news source you grab), possessions, psychology or thought control (whether it be with the "vanity" of ego from all the things that can give reason for ego, or the battles with anxiety and depression which are essentially caused by this very society described by this list that I am forming right here) - especially with psychopharma aid, crafty ways to be lazy and lazily euphoric - that they/we of course want to have crafted for them/us rather than come up with for them/ourselves, crafty ways to be better than everyone at everything (from sexual prowess, to sports, to school, to career or bank account, to power, body, everything) - that people prefer to do with little effort, substance use of any kind whether it be in diet (and the way some food is manufactured now, it can be more substance filled than many would like to think about - though they should think about) ... or in any prescription, OTC, or recreational substance (all of which I've had my times of overconsuming or abusing in the past before I learned about the value of moderation and studied more from a perspective detached from society and observing it as one living organism of sorts) and more (like the whole workerbee obsession dynamic)...
.... and a society that is far too simplistic with things that they should be more complex about - like natural discipline/self control, natural health, recreation with absolutely no care for money and career - just fullfillment with yourself in nature with your fellow humans, social awareness, political awareness, the species and universal awareness that we are animals - just creatures - who only really need to survive and be happy .... and all of this other crap going on in the world - though real and necessary to deal with - is really just one big game or ride that we have conformed to and entranced ourselves with so much that we often can't stop, step outside of the box and look at the whole thing for the ride, game, fake existance that it is and that we have simply chosen to bith for ourselves in the name of "civility" .... and that we appear to have run a bit amock with ... as is natural for humans to do ... and more.
In other words, I think we make things too complex - and psychology and psychopharma aid is a great example IMO. I don't ENTIRELY (mostly do not) buy into the whole idea that psychology is really a science of the mind that is found to be so precisely patterned - in such a dynamic world with human minds at a stage of evolution that is so advanced to be incredibly dynamic beyond comprehension other than to make that very observation (granted, albeit with some fundamental trends) - that one person or group of persons who have their own biases on life, their own problems, their own financial motives that CAN obviously be conflict of interest, who have this same overly complex world to deal with (they are just humans living in this same world like the rest of us, afterall) ... can build up such an arrogant or egotistical persona - albeit under the guise of aid and tactful verbiage, with probably some sincere motivation to help which may eventually wear off into an obligation of duty since it is only natural for humans to experience this - ( - yet this arrogance or ego that is inherent and eventually inevitable, even if developed on a subconscious level, when these people are propping themself up [stroking ego and building rationale for ego] with money, education, intellectual conversation and analysis etc while simultaneously spending all of their hours - most of their life - day in day out - dealing with troubled people who in many ways seem to be inferior to them ... because they seem to have mnore problems than them ... which can lead them to thinking - possibly subconsciously - that everybody is and or most people are inferior to them) .... that these people can observe people and conclude/JUDGE (psychologists can be extremely judgmental people, whether they always speak their mind about it or not .. as it IS their job and becomes their daily way of life practice) ....so accurately ... people who may have a tough time even explaining what they feel their problems are .... as if they can really talk with these people better than anyone else who cared (really, to me, it's like paying somebody who is supposed to be sane and have their life together to care, listen and give advice when plenty of people who do not need to be "professionals" can do it if they care - and these psychologists are not necessarily/always sane and as together as they'd seem in fact either since they are human in addition to especially since I know that plenty of people become psychologists after a very demented childhood of their own that they may or may not have handled well ... but they figure since they spent their whol childhood growing used to facing problems they may as well make a living off of it. Add the drugs to it - the idea that they can find so many answers for a human with chemical concoctions - though they are not chemists, biologists, nutritionalists and medicine and in some cases have no clue what the drug is really doing to the body nor if it will really work ..... just pharma eductating them on the very product they make money off of and that they financially incentivize physicians to prescribe (like an in person infomercial drug ad with paid actors - albeit who are more convincing because they are more appropriately educated) .... and ... as you pointed out ... some studies that do seem to more often than not give desireable results ... regardless of what it could be really doing to the body/mind/CNS (albeit sometimes with a well theorized or lab proven understanding) .... and regardless of how hastily, quitely and mono-tonally they have to read the long list of undesireable side effects - or list them in fine print - in hopes that you will overlook them and get lucky enough to not experience them.
Henceforth, our points are not mutually exclusive at all. And yes, I did understand every word - those synonyms for what I explained practically -in laymens terminology in the brevity of my initial post - and in this prolific elaboration in reply to "the articulation of your astute observations in concert with your fervent and civilly abhorrent sentiments" - and could have used them myself if I cared to as just now shown, as previously explained how and why not at the start of this post.
jqsderrida said:
I agree. What I have said, albeit hastily, herein this post and initially is:
PenilePersist said:
Let's look up psychotherapy:
Talking with people in ways that encourage them to think and communicate in certain ways for progress. This is often really a form of tact and pursuasion that a lot of people naturally possess and exemplify when they exert real care (or maybe I am over-estmating the maturity and intelligence of the population.... but I'd like to think I am not). This is also used in media, propaganda, marketing etc ...but with psychs it is supposed to be with the premise and or intent of true aid. The only real sense I see in thoruogh "advanced studies" on thes quite simple techniques ... is if we as humans who naturaly posses these abilities don't have the awareness of what effects they are producing. The only reason I see in really needing to see a "professional" to do this is if your are not comfortable about nor privileged to talk with somebody who would put the care and time in as a friend or loved one.
You see, I am not saying psychs are not capable ... nor ineffective ... I am saying that it is not necessary to seek them for the same effects they can provide at cost when you can get the same results for free by untapping natural abilities and having good friends ... which is what happens .... they become your paid friend and help you untap your natural ability.
What is really happening here is encouraging a person to look into themselves calmly, carefully and responsibly to identify what is bothering them, what the root causes may be - by asking them about their typical behavior or practices and surroundings etc and then communicate that effectively. Like I said - they are helping thre person to identify the problem, the cause and resolution for themselves. The communication is not really as important for a psych to hear as it is for the person themselves to hear - because lots of time the person had no idea that could be brought out of them even though they possessed it the whole time and simply needed to dig into their senses and ability and use them to their full potential instead of letting them get washed away and clouded by the mutliple society factors that are present today, some aforementioned, that encourage make such clouding more easy to be challenged with.
The communication is only important for the psych to hear,beyond continuing to help the person figure themselves out, if 1) the person needs advice on what to do with that knowledge, 2) the psych wants to know what drug to prescribe that may help and or pocket them some cash. The main point is to get the person to identify the problem and cause for themselves by helping them to think critically about themselves with the aid of all of their senses performing to more of their natural potential.
It is my belief, and observation, and experience that once the person realizes what is wrong they often know the answer - especially if it is mental .... but some people are so troubled, emotionally disturbed and erratic or something of the sort ... that they just can't come to their emotional and mental senses at that point to give them the often simple - common sense answer. Or sometimes, they are so unsure of themelves that they don't even trust in the answers they already have for themselves and they need somebody else to agree with them or validate what they already had for a solution within them - possibly in part because we live in a society where people are quick to say "see a psych for professional help". This uncertainty is not only very possibly ... and certainly to some extent ... magnified, encouraged or caused by this societal influence .... but this unscertainty alone can magnify the anxiety issue exponentially to beyond an order of magnitude (10 times, or 1000%) .... whereas .... thanks to these problems being psychological in the first place ... encouraging a person to be sure of themself and self solvent can be all the difference in alleviating completely or ameliorating their issue ..... and can be that difference without having to go through the worse to get to the better - just accelerate to the better.
But, really, once again .... in this society that is making things so complex that it is assumed - without stepping outside of the box .... that only trained, degreed or certified people can do this .... opposed to a stable, caring friend ...or the individual themselves ... is something I disagree with.
jsqderrida said:
Right, and like I said - the psychs persona, personal life and personal opinions can have varying effect .... as does all of our commentary.
jsqderrida said:
Never said they weren't.
jsqderrida said:
Somewhat agree, somewhat disagree. Afterall it is an opinion on medical practices that vary in effect for people despite some lab tested trends that can make effect more universal for some drugs than for others.
I do not believe in "chemical imbalances" to my knowledge. I do believe in nurtitional deficiency, but especially for psychological problems I believe in self control and not getting sucked into taking life too seriously because life IS short and this IS all a world we have created to conform to that is increasinlgly FAR beyond natural in MANY ways .... to the point where it is really more and more like a very real game, ride and illusion.... and we forget that we are all human and all have insecurities and problems and when stripped with all of the fakeness and ego we all are incredibly similar and equal.
Drugs are a bandaid, not a healing. Drugs may or may not be able to help with healing. I did suggest possibly drugs or nutritional supplements with potentially similar effects as 1) experimentation to see if we are right in saying this is likely anxiety based - whether the result is placebo or chemical induced ... and 2) as a bandaid for him while he gets to the root of the problems ... and I would only suggest using these drugs with careful guidance.
But, of utmost importance, with the intent to suggest as priority over drugs ...
I suggested natural things for the young man to do already - both on his own and with the particular person that he has been experiencing his problem with.
jsqderrida said:
Talking exetnsively - potentially nauseatingly, though effectively - in depth to confirm the theory that his problem is anxiety and to trace the anxiety back to possible causes to help understand exactly why ... which can be much deeper and more disturbing than the more simple theory in this case: that he simply is really passionate and concerned about pleasing this particular woman ... would be the truly methodical and telling way of knowing what to specifically remedy methodically ... and that may be necessary if this following, and previously suggested, other natural psychotheraputic technique does not work.
The other technique is that the fascinating beauty of the dynamic body/mind/CNS is that even just genuinely forgetting that you have a mental or emotional problem and doing all the other healthy and simple changes in behavior to make you genuinely laugh about it and forget about it (by realizing it is normal for people to have problems like this and largely because we have become extremely serious about making things more complex than they need to be ... like the competition of ultimate sexual prowess) and resume a more typical lifestyle with genuine change of mindset where one has returned to living in the moment and enjoying themselves and their partner with passion .... can achieve the same results of understanding exactly why with no ill effects ... as long as this is the only issue that is of consequence - or sympotmatic - from whatever the POTENTIALLY (though not certainly) deeper "psychiatric malaise" could be (i.e - "when I was 7 my parents divorced and I heard the argument about my dad being horrible in bed" ... possibly with the addition of "and them my mom raped me and my dad beat me up for having sex with my mom", which could open up a huge can of worms ..... or "I watched the movie that Pandora - moderator at MOS - posted in the chill out forum where the chick bites off the guy's dick and now I'm scared of that happening to me even though I don't want to be" ). lol (Just for laughs while making a serious point, and not to trivialize or to lack compassion nor empathy nor sympathy for people with deep issues to come to terms with).
"All serious medical illnesses" are NOT the same as psychological issues ... or they wouldn't be such drastically different practices that only share the basics of all problem solving - identify the problem, identify the cause, remedy and or cure the cause .... yet in application of them show DRASTIC difference.jsqderrida said:
If the issues were that deep, that serious, and the problem not completely alleviated or at least ameliorated by the other more simple approaches already talked about .... which stem from self wareness and self control ... and the person honestly did not realize how it ties into the deep issues and thus couldn't even address them with friends or family etc even if they wanted to ... or if they did not want to address it with anybody else ... or if people they wanted to address it with were not available ... then yes .... I agree ... the person should immediately hire a psych.
jsqderrida said:
Helpless is a mischaracterization. Even helping themselves to a psych shows they are not helpless. Even more to my point, the psych helps them help themselves .... which is for me to say that these people are not at all helpless .... quite the contrary. These people have all the ability in the world to helpthemselves if they would just exercise their potential ... and the latter is what a good psych ... and a good friend ... and a person who is very self ware and self solvent does effectively ... however there is an added psychoemotional element to sharing the resolution process with another human ... which has it's pros and cons that vary in value for different people - mostly in ascertaining whether that makes them feel less prideful of responsibility, self control, independence .... and or if it makes them feel glad to have a good companion and give the feeling or realization that they live in a world where people care about them and want to help them ..and are there to help them.
Morons is a mischaracterization. It's the self awareness in concert with the self control that I was getting at .... not intellectual aptitude. Furthermore, I know that people have the ability to be self aware and self controlled .... and it largely stems from will to exploit this potential. Some people can naturally do it ... and some people need guidance on how. Some people don't have thre right people in their life to give them that guidance when they don't give it to themselves, so then it is appropriate to seek a psych.
On "incapable of solving their own problems." :
So, as you see from these last to paragraphical explanations, it is not my belief that these people cannot solve their problems .... it is the contrary. It is my assertion that for some reason or another they are not solving problems ... when in the overwhelming majority of cases ... in my observation ... they are capable and the psychs simply help them do it for themselves.
When you think about it, there is much more logic in concluding that one who asserts that the troubled person has a "serious medical illnesses" ( opposed to a very understandable problem that was as humans in the present existance of the world are perfectly normal to face) .... and that they "should be addressed by extensively trained physicians [psychs in this case, which by the way is an important distinction to make in how I perceive all of this in comparison to physical conditions]" .... (opposed to saying that the psychs help people help themselves, so people do actually have the ability to simply help themselves, or to seek friends to help them fill the role of a psych ... which would be more personally fulfilling,character building, possibly people bonding/relationship building, and much cheaper mind you) .... that the person NOT described parenthetically is actually very possibly and logically making things more complex than they need to be, possibly blowing the issue way out of proportion from the common human problem into an enormous magnitude of a serious medical condition, which is possibly and logically worsening the anxiety issue of the troubled person (them saying: "damn , I'm fucked and in a world of neck high shit of trouble", "oh my god, I need help" "why me"), which is also certainly saying that this person has lost complete control of themselves and that they are incapable of solving their own problems .... only giving them the very minute credit of being able to solve their own problem by expecting them to be able to go see a psych for help ... opposed to instilling comforting faith and encouragement in them with the genuine belief that they are very possibly and even very likely more than capable of solving their own problems.
Now for the testimony that I was thinking of placing after the "experience" word aofrementioned:
This is the reality. People are human. This does happen to people. The world is a tough place and can be even tougher depending on your suroundings with people and things.
This shit [psychological issues tough to identify and gain control of] happened to me many many years ago and my parents own separate issues were what was effecting me .....so I didn't really want to talk to them ....and I wasn't old enough to have intelligent, wise, experienced, caring friends (I was only about 6 years old) ... and either because my parents didn't have the ability, care or time to talk it through with me the few times when I tried ... they sent me to a psych. (On the lack of time issue - that is another ridiculous reality that we are faced with in this day ... a aprent doesn't have time to be a parent because they have to make money .... so they go make money while spending money to have somebody else parent .... essentially.) Honestly ... with the psych ... I just remember being bored out of my mind and simply happy to be on vacation away from my dysfunctional parents. The psych asked me a bunch of really simple shit and came up with a lot of "revelations" that I already knew for myself ... and mostly just gave me time away from all the bullshit at home to think about how I can best deal with it on my own .... and bounce my own ideas off of her for validity. In effect ... she was a friend and a parent that I didn't have at the time and it was more emotionally comforting than locking myself in my own room, talking or thinking to myself while staring at a wall .. because it didn't make me feel so alone. Plus, the psych had far better games to play in her office while she was boring me to death ... than I had in my bedroom ... so that made me happy and gave me something to "meditate" with (meditation comes in many forms, really just where you focus on something that makes you forget about all other issues).... like I'd try to do at home .... and probably from the psychs standpoint .... much like any good interviewers ... she was simply aware that encouraging somebody to do something that makes them happy while talking to them is not only going to make them happy for the activity alone but is more likely to get the person to open up with their thoughts and thus better communicate ... which again ... some people have to be made aware of and some people are naturally aware of.
PHEW!!!!!!! My mental masturbation on this topic has resulted in climax and fatigue, for now.
Good day.
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doublelongdaddy said:Didn't this thread just start yesterday? This shit blew up. I got allot of reading to do
lol Well, the first 1.5 pages was basically 4 bored insomniacs instant messaging short messages ... while multitasking on the forum ... over about an hour or two .... and then my most recent post took about almost a whole page .... so ... that needs to be taken into consideration . lol
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By the way, I made corrections with "SpelChek" and it didn't do shit ... so people really will have fun reading through my typos.
Maybe lack of effect was because my session timed out. I did "insert to document" though, so maybe it is yet another forum bug. I'd edit it right now but the forum wont let me because admin settings don't allow for edit after 10minutes. Possibly another forum bug to address, possibly the time-out issue, possibly consider more lax edit timeframe.
Best to all my e-comrades, and especially to 9x6.5 in his quest to remedy his erectile plight - whatever the cause and solution ends up being.
Maybe lack of effect was because my session timed out. I did "insert to document" though, so maybe it is yet another forum bug. I'd edit it right now but the forum wont let me because admin settings don't allow for edit after 10minutes. Possibly another forum bug to address, possibly the time-out issue, possibly consider more lax edit timeframe.
Best to all my e-comrades, and especially to 9x6.5 in his quest to remedy his erectile plight - whatever the cause and solution ends up being.
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In all of the above I do not believe that you made one valid point; well one, obviously, which will be explicit to anyone who cares to see it.
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doublelongdaddy said:Gotta go rest my eyes but I will get to reading it
Heh. Reflecting on my random choice to take such extensive interest in mental masturbation .... with the added motivation of helping a troubled fellow MOSer ... I wonder if I should have taken a nap in the middle of my composition. An eye rest is more than understandable.
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jqsderrida said:
Okay. I think you are counting them short, but there was certainly redundant exhaustion of a less amount of points. I suppose I made it even more challenging because I rushed through it without trying to avoid run ons.
Fuck it. Like I said, the mental masturbation was a bit satisfying.
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Im glad you had fun :s . Now, let us hope that our friend can find some respite.PenilePersist said:
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jqsderrida said:
You can't even humor me with some form of positive patronage? Well, fuck you then - bastard. :s
jsqderrida said:
Indeed, now as always before - or as you might like to say, in your choice of vocabulary that some may interpret as pretentious, (though as I have yet to take as such) "as heretofore". :s
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You know, I hope noone interprets my style of writing as being a pretentious show. People have to understand that I spend my whole day at the University of Chicago with professional mathematicians,or, reading graduate texts on pure mathematics, or, teaching kids calculus, or, playing the piano, or reading. Its simply that, this is who I am. Not trying to be a dick.
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