Do you believe in god? the gods discussion thread

[rivieraman71]

I believe that there is someting, what? I don't know. I feel it is to much to comprehend and understand, and even if the answer was given to us we would question it anyway. Like I said, I believe in something. It may be an ora, spirit, or just mother nature herself.

I went to church for 1.5 yrs and I have to honestly say there were people of everykind in that church, good, bad, 2 faced, etc just like the world outside it. I believe religion can be both good and bad to a certain degree. I never felt anything when I was there, no presence of God so to speak. Doesn't mean that a God doesn't exist. MAybe it wasn't the right time for me to feel his presence, I can't explain what a higher power would feel like so I just live my life one day at a time.

I have to admit I bought the bible 2 weeks ago and have been reading it straight through. The more I read thought the more I find unexplainable and even unbelievable. But I guess that's where faith comes in. Alot of it I don't understand and maybe we aren't supposed to and just accept it for what it is. The bible is based on faith and science is based on theory. Niether can be proven to a certain degree.

 

[rivieraman71]

I believe that there is someting, what? I don't know. I feel it is to much to comprehend and understand, and even if the answer was given to us we would question it anyway. Like I said, I believe in something. It may be an ora, spirit, or just mother nature herself.

I went to church for 1.5 yrs and I have to honestly say there were people of everykind in that church, good, bad, 2 faced, etc just like the world outside it. I believe religion can be both good and bad to a certain degree. I never felt anything when I was there, no presence of God so to speak. Doesn't mean that a God doesn't exist. MAybe it wasn't the right time for me to feel his presence, I can't explain what a higher power would feel like so I just live my life one day at a time.

I have to admit I bought the bible 2 weeks ago and have been reading it straight through. The more I read thought the more I find unexplainable and even unbelievable. But I guess that's where faith comes in. Alot of it I don't understand and maybe we aren't supposed to and just accept it for what it is. The bible is based on faith and science is based on theory. Niether can be proven to a certain degree.

 

[rivieraman71]

Sorry, didn't mean for it to show up 5 million times, my computer kept locking up.

 

[Want_that_gain]

God is one of those outdated theories just like evolution.. I believe we are our own God, we chose our own destiny, we chose our own future and our future is directly related to our actions and our behavior.

Religion is one of the most manipulative forms of social conditioning and a very old one at that. People were forced into believing in religion, murdered and sacrificed for the good of a belief, in my opinion this directly contradicts the teaching of the religion itself which makes it hypocrisy at it's finest.

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Believing in religion and threatening people that do not believe that they will spend eternity in hell, is like a hippy threatening to punch you in the aura!

 

[rivieraman71]

God is one of those outdated theories just like evolution.. I believe we are our own God, we chose our own destiny, we chose our own future and our future is directly related to our actions and our behavior.

I think a verse from Metallica best describes this. "My lifestyle determines my deathstyle!"

 

[BANANAxBOY]

God is one of those outdated theories just like evolution.. I believe we are our own God, we chose our own destiny, we chose our own future and our future is directly related to our actions and our behavior.

Religion is one of the most manipulative forms of social conditioning and a very old one at that. People were forced into believing in religion, murdered and sacrificed for the good of a belief, in my opinion this directly contradicts the teaching of the religion itself which makes it hypocrisy at it's finest.

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Believing in religion and threatening people that do not believe that they will spend eternity in hell, is like a hippy threatening to punch you in the aura!

Just curious, what kind of death and afterlife are you choosing?

 

[Want_that_gain]

Just curious, what kind of death and afterlife are you choosing?

Well, I'm not really sure if I believe in an after life.. I don't like to think about things I will never actually know the answer too, it's the puzzle of life, like figuring out what came first, the chicken or the egg.

 

[BANANAxBOY]

I garuntee you that once you stop living, like when your body shuts down from deterioration you will then be in "afterlife mode.

Something gave us life, an explosion in the universe cannot create a miracle, you.

BxB

 

[Want_that_gain]

I garuntee you that once you stop living, like when your body shuts down from deterioration you will then be in "afterlife mode.

Something gave us life, an explosion in the universe cannot create a miracle, you.

BxB

I don't believe in the big b ang, in fact most of that retarded science can never be proven and never will be so I refuse to accept it as an accurate event when it's impossible to understand what happens to us when we are dead or before we can record being alive.

No one knows what happens when we die, maybe our spirit floats freely in all dimensions or maybe nothing happens, maybe our whole relaity is created inside our brain and when we die reality seizes to exist as our brain does.

It's impossible to guess or believe in anything if there is no evidence to it.

 

[Krispin]

Blessed is he who has not seen but still believes....

They just tell you that so that you don't feel like a total sucker believing in something that you've never seen or heard or otherwise had demonstrable proof of (or even probabilistic proof of).

 

[bluetard117]

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd this is where the argument starts. This thread should probably be killed before things get out of hand and hard feelings are forged, instead of hard cocks.

In other words, stop talking about religion, and GET BACK TO JELQING! :D
Surely, God, Buddha, Allah, the people that Star Trekkies worship, all wish you to have a massive dick, to make more little worshipers ;]

 

[BANANAxBOY]

Its ok to talk about this here bluetard117, this is the "deep thoughts" section. I think we can be respectful about our opinions here.

 

[BANANAxBOY]

They just tell you that so that you don't feel like a total sucker believing in something that you've never seen or heard or otherwise had demonstrable proof of (or even probabilistic proof of).

I'm a total sucker and I have experienced personally, Jesus. Even if i tell you a cool story of a true miracle i think that you will still find reason to believe otherwise. In my opinion, this feeling of not wanting to hear or believe comes directly from the evil one. His job is to make sure that you don't become a follower of Christ and to do it in a way that you don't notice yourself doing it.

Please understand that i am not saying this for the sake of argument but because i care about you, and i wish that if there were a heaven and hell
that you, and me, and all of us here could go to Heaven. Please exept this as my opinion.

Love BxB

 

[MAXAMEYES]

In response to this question I usually have to ask for clarification:
"To which particular definition of God are you referring?"

And remember; belief, by its nature and definition, requires no proof, simply belief.

 

[Krispin]

I'm a total sucker and I have experienced personally, Jesus. Even if i tell you a cool story of a true miracle i think that you will still find reason to believe otherwise. In my opinion, this feeling of not wanting to hear or believe comes directly from the evil one. His job is to make sure that you don't become a follower of Christ and to do it in a way that you don't notice yourself doing it.

Please understand that i am not saying this for the sake of argument but because i care about you, and i wish that if there were a heaven and hell
that you, and me, and all of us here could go to Heaven. Please exept this as my opinion.

Love BxB

Once again, people who believe in God or religion usually use the "evil one" (aka the Devil, Satan, and sometimes Lucifer) to explain why others don't believe also, thus rationalizing the opposition away and not feeling like a total sucker by believing in something that has not been demonstrated or probabilistically confirmed.

 

[BANANAxBOY]

Once again, people who believe in God or religion usually use the "evil one" (aka the Devil, Satan, and sometimes Lucifer) to explain why others don't believe also, thus rationalizing the opposition away and not feeling like a total sucker by believing in something that has not been demonstrated or probabilistically confirmed.

Once AGAIN I'm a total sucker, but you rationalize a miracle as much as I rationalize "the devil". On many occasions Jesus has demonstrated miracles, not to mention he was still on this earth in front of people just over 2000 years ago. That is why we have the year 2009. In fact, thousands witnessed these miracles!

If you want to know an incredible King then just simply ask Him. Honestly, just ask Him to show himself to you. You will feel weird doing it because there is constant spiritual warfare fighting against you saying that. If you really want to know, you can ask and I think he just might give you a little nudge on the shoulder if you are SINCERE. If you don't want to know, you will likely never know Him.

Please don't take this as me shoving shit down your throat, i feel that you are reading these posts because you are interested, or maybe just for the sake of arguing, but regardless, I just care.

BxB

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Of what significance is it, if any, that this thread is over six years old, and the original poster hasn't participated in this-the MOS-forum in over five years?

Just a thought.

 

[Krispin]

Once AGAIN I'm a total sucker, but you rationalize a miracle as much as I rationalize "the devil". On many occasions Jesus has demonstrated miracles, not to mention he was still on this earth in front of people just over 2000 years ago. That is why we have the year 2009. In fact, thousands witnessed these miracles!

If you want to know an incredible King then just simply ask Him. Honestly, just ask Him to show himself to you. You will feel weird doing it because there is constant spiritual warfare fighting against you saying that. If you really want to know, you can ask and I think he just might give you a little nudge on the shoulder if you are SINCERE. If you don't want to know, you will likely never know Him.

Please don't take this as me shoving shit down your throat, i feel that you are reading these posts because you are interested, or maybe just for the sake of arguing, but regardless, I just care.

BxB

No miracles have been confirmed; they're only supported by the perpetuation of belief from one generation to another, building momentum until their origins become unquestionable to those who follow them. Scientology gained millions of converts in 50 years; now multiply that by 40 to get 2000 years and billions and instead of millions of converts for Christianity.

Stop using miracles, the Devil, or "believing without seeing" to rationalize a belief in something for which there is nothing even resembling conclusive proof.

 

[BANANAxBOY]

No miracles have been confirmed; they're only supported by the perpetuation of belief from one generation to another, building momentum until their origins become unquestionable to those who follow them. Scientology gained millions of converts in 50 years; now multiply that by 40 to get 2000 years and billions and instead of millions of converts for Christianity.

Stop using miracles, the Devil, or "believing without seeing" to rationalize a belief in something for which there is nothing even resembling conclusive proof.

Its ok if you don't want to believe. Who would you like confirmation from?

BxB

 

[DLD]

No miracles have been confirmed; they're only supported by the perpetuation of belief from one generation to another, building momentum until their origins become unquestionable to those who follow them. Scientology gained millions of converts in 50 years; now multiply that by 40 to get 2000 years and billions and instead of millions of converts for Christianity.

Stop using miracles, the Devil, or "believing without seeing" to rationalize a belief in something for which there is nothing even resembling conclusive proof.

In duality there are many ways to create doubts about the actuality of history, science, religion, etc. We can only go on faith in this type of dualistic environment on subjects like God. When deductibility is applied and all duality is eliminated, there is only 1. You, like every other creature, are part of the one. This 'one', that each of us is a part of, is the creator. This tends to take a human form through our dualistic religions but GOD, the 'One' the Creator, 'that which was before time' is of the same form and function of energy for that is what this is. With this said, the energy that created all of this, and all of us, must follow the Law of Energy Conservation, essentially making it timeless and eternal much like what many call GOD. Following the Mass/Energy Equation, energy and mass are interchangeable, as mass can become energy and energy can become mass. This makes all of mass, the whole of energy. When viewed from this perspective it is easy to see that the creator is the simplest form of energy, pure light, and that energy, GOD, created all of creation. We learn that this creation came from the most dense bit of matter but that creation had to have come from the smallest vibration of energy before what science sees as the BigBang. Once this happened, energy becoming matter, creation ensued and dualistic separation eventually split MAN from GOD.

Thanks to Young's work in particle/wave function we know that experiments are bias to the consciousness of the viewer creating big questions around everything we have ever learned up to this point. Nothing is for sure and everything is possible. Consciousness is becoming more and more accepted as the single decision maker in anything and everything that happens.

Who is right? All are right. Who is God? I am God, just like you, because we are a part of that which created us GOD/Energy/Light. How can you ever be sure that all of this, what you see, what you believe is real, all that you can touch, all of history as you have learned it, every book, every bit of knowledge, all that you have ever experienced through ANY of your senses has only happened since you became "CONSCIOUS" of it. ALL of it exists only for you, only in your mind, each and every person, thing, place, time, it is all a mental flicker ONLY for you...You are the light, you are the energy, you are that which you see as God. Why not? It makes more sense than the bullshit science and religion are forcing into every opening in your senses input. When you approach life under the premiss that you MIGHT be God, you live a little bit better...you are a little bit kinder....you give a little bit deeper...you essentially start to realize that "treat your brother like yourself" brings a deeper more realistic perspective. You see all of creation as God, as it exists in YOU...If you are the creator, JUST IN CASE...Create Responsibly.