Do you believe in god? the gods discussion thread

[whtballa18]

I don't know if this has already been talked about, because I don't have the patience to read ALL the posts, but !

Well reknowned scientists, astronomers, and others regarding the Universe/Big Bang etc do not deny the existence of some sort of intelligent design in the universe, they say it's more likely to dive in a random point in the ocean and find Atlantis then to have the equilibrium and harmony of nature's forces... or something smart like that.

Here is a good link for yall regarding the subject

http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna7.html

 

[ItsMeAgain]

...hHydromaxmm.

It's not a question on believing. It's more an answer of just being! It's no secret that our existence is based on unicity (unified field of theory)... life is constant in it's giving... it creates therefore we exist.

Taking that same idea and applying it to the "creator" one would end up in the same arena of the so-called question.

Hence: The belief in G_D is constant for which I live now, as I create I birth live into something else. As it is above so shall it be below!

 

[pumaz]

You can't deny microevolution, its been witnessed and recorded as occuring in modern times. In fact, most creationists who aren't ignorant even agree that it occurs.

http://www.rae.org/accept.html

 

[pumaz]

The reason I am skeptical about a god, at least in the Christian sense is that there are a number of things that don't add up for me.

God is said to know us before he creates us and he intentionally gave humans free will. Now if God truly knew me before he created me then he knows that I would be inclined to not believe in him; therefore, if God exists he has created me and doomed me to eternal damnation.

God can also not be a benevolent in any sense of the word. He commands that we shall not kill, yet he does not follow his own guidelines. If you believe the story of Noah, then you also must recognize that God is a murderer of epic proportions. It is said that he knows people before he creates them and he purposely gives them free will, yet they failed to obey so he whiped the slate clean.

BTW, the Bible is riddled with contradictions.
http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html

Even if it was God's word, its not anymore. Thousands of years of translation have turned it into a work of man. If it were actually a divine text, there would be no debate on the meaning. The word of an omnipotent being would be infallible and there would be no misconception of the message. The Bible as we know it is no more then a good storybook which doubles as a guide on morals.

 

[pumaz]

Originally posted by German Stallion
Hi Bob.....Fossil records, so called, are based on predetermined criteria....namely that they are millions of years old. The theory that things happen like they have for millions of years without a glitch does not wash. In fact, you can't have a fossil unless something catastrophic happened. Fossils are evidence of things not happening in the norm. So, that fossil from Iowa is evidence of something happening in that sea that once was in Iowa. But what caused it to become a fossil. If it died today, it would not become a fossil unless there was a catastrophe.

German, fossilization is nothing but a mineralization of an organic tissue.

Heres a fossilized cowboy's leg found in a boot made no earlier then the 1950s. What catastrophe let this one happen?

http://informationcentre.tripod.com/boot.html

The link even suggests that dinosaulr fossils may not necessarily be as old as we commonly think.

Heres one that I'd like to hear your response though. If the Earth is not millions of years old how do you explain plate tectonics? The world's landmass used to be joined together. This is difficult to deny as even by looking at a map you can see how the coastilines match up. Fossil records show matching species on continents that are now seperated by a vast Ocean. We know the current rate of seperation, how do creationists debunk this evidence that the world is very old?

 

[pumaz]

Originally posted by NeXus
i just want to make point quick before i ask you guys something else. When Chris Columbus sailed to America 200 years ago, everyone except a few seriously believed that the world is flat and that he would fall to ultimate death be falling off the face of the world.

1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue, its been a bit more then 200 years, but I do agree there is a whole lot of stuff that was blindly accepted as fact that is now easily dismissed as legend. A lot of stuff can be passed on as fact when the vast majority of people traveled no more then 10 miles beyond their birth place until the 1900s.

Believing that God exists because the Bible exists is like saying Grendel exists, because the story Beowulf exists.

 

[pumaz]

Originally posted by MightyBigWeiner
also, just to add onto the discussion about why we don't have fins. because mammals are believed to have originated from little possum-like creatures. of course all life originated in the water, but thats where evolution/natural selection comes into place. These small possum creatures have developed into bigger creatures, then monkeys, apes, and finally humans. hence we have that bone in our asses (damn, forgot what its called), that can often give us troubles.

Excellent point. Vestigial organs and bones are strong evidence of evolution. Why do whales have a pelvis bone?

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by pumaz
The link even suggests that dinosaur fossils may not necessarily be as old as we commonly think.

It uses the usual tactic of quoting "everyone says" that fossils take millions of years to form.

Actually mineralization probably occurs in a few years. So that isn't a useful metric of age.

The age of fossils is usually determined by the strata they are in. And the age of strata are usually determined by certain radiological markers.

 

[Scrub Ducky]

I believe in god.
I'm christian actually,or at least I try to be, I'm not a very good one.

 

[fender646]

I was watching public tv and they had this NOVA on space and shit. They said so far they have discovered many galaxies but none of the planets like Earths distance to the sun, so they are unable to support life.

They talked about how they use the Hubble Space Telescopes to figure out the paths of stars and comets. And they found a comet, that in about 100,000 years, it will collide with Earth. But they said by the time it even gets relatively close, they will blow it up or just set it off its path so it misses Earth.

They also said that its about 1.5 times bigger than the comet that killed off all the dinosaurs. Kinda crazy, huh?

 

[Super]

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ With all my heart.

 

[Xmetal]

There is no God and anyone thinking so is in a false state of hope and needs to grow up and read between the lines. Science (knowledge acquired through experience). Bible (the holy book of bullshit, old and new).

 

[BANANAxBOY]

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ"

(2 Corinthians 11:3)

WORD

 

[BANANAxBOY]

It is so easy to find a reason to not believe, what if you really wanted to? Some may think "I don't even want to believe in such .........BULLSHIT>>>>>>>>"

If for some reason there was a God and a Satan I think Satan would use everything in him to prevent us from knowing God, I think the bible says this too which kinda sounds legitimate, the bible says that "Satan" has a lot of power and that he is a bastard with it. If there were a God He would probably know better than to just address the world in person otherwise He would have already, or maybe he already did in the past and we still refuse to believe. If I were God and had parted the Red Sea, set a bush on fire and didnt let it consume, flooded the Earth, sent plagues of frogs and locusts across the land to prove a point, and still most people wouldnt believe in me I would be getting pretty tired of trying to prove myself. What would it take for one to believe in Him? I think that If God spoke to thousands of us and performed a miracle right in front of us we would still find a reason NOT to believe. "It was probably just the wierd weather we've been having recently", or "ah, David Blain's done that trick before". If there were a Satan and this was his job, he is doing fairly well, I will credit him for that.

Its hard to say.

 

[bjembe]

After all that has been said, I cannot resist but to add my comment on the subject;

First of all I want to thank, every believers who have take time (in some cases so much time) to post on this thread. I think it really goes a long way in helping non-believers to consider and change their hearts for the better of themselves. Special mention to GS, you are a very, very wise man. Appreciate all your comments you have put forward.

Now, let’s get started, people do not believe in GOD because of
1. FEAR and 2. Ignorance.

Why the fear? Because those people that has been exposed to the bible or some sort of religion in their life does not want to abide by the rules of God as per the Bible. Why? Because it’s easy to live life without rules and boundaries, for example that’s why teenagers rebel against their parents. They want to do what they want, but a parent being older and wiser wants to guide their child on the right path and therefore set certain rules and boundaries.

People fear GOD, they fear to believe, because again they do not want to live by the rules (GOD commandments). Some people rather blaspheme the bible; pretend it is all bullshit and rather believed in men THEORY or even aliens.

Why some choose against GOD? Because God created man Free and as long as Satan, devil or which other way you prefer to call it, there will be the temptation to go against Goodwill.

In terms of Ignorance; some people are born and raised in family where they are not exposed to any religion. They grow up without beliefs and thus why they are quick to discard God, until some of them go through a rough patch in their life and starts to question and finding answers, leading them to God. People does not acknowledge GOD when they are living a good life, it’s only when they down and out (e.g lose their homes, jobs, loved ones) that they turn to GOD.

At the end of the day, all I want to say is; we cannot argue against GOD or the Bible. It’s there for us to live a better life without evil. We human beings think we can outsmart our Creator, but we just cannot, it’s just simply too complex to the point of unexplainable, to our ability to understand our existence.

In the mean time, what we can do is; do good things to one another, help one another and love one another. Choose to believe in GOD, all his asking is obey his commandments, which is made up of good things. Because, at the end of our last day on earth, the SPIRIT lives on and nothing else; the body will rot away along with our hard earned inches . Life continues after death in SPIRIT and again we just cannot argue against that.

Save your SPIRIT and choose to believe, open your hearts, HAVE FAITH, what have you got to lose by obeying and doing good things?

 

[Phoenix22]

Evolution is an impossibility. Pure and simple, there is absolutely no merit, evidence or possibility of evolution. If you have been lied to, it is about evolution. As far as God is concerned, certainly there is God. Not gods. Our whole universe points to a creator, not happenstance or chance. Chance is out, God is in. As far as religion, now that is another story. Religion, traditions and systems are man made. The bible account of creation is just that, an account. Not a story, not a made up system, just records. The bible is history, HIS story, Gods story of mankind. No inconsistency, no hiding facts. The fact that the bible tells us all of mans failings as well as success, give it credibility. Glad to have this discussion. GS

Quoting an old post.

Religion has and will always be a way to control the masses. I mean, what better way to control an unruly kingdom than to instill fear in the hearts of it's citizens by saying that if you do not believe in god, you will go to a place where you will be punished for eternity? As stated in a previous post, there are numerous contradictions in the bible. Did you know that just about every aspect of todays religions can be traced back to the Egyptians?

There is nothing worse than someone who will blindly follow religion. It is human nature to question, but if you question god to someone that blindly follows some religion, you get scolded. How about the numerous priests that molest little kids? Are you going to believe "the word of god" from someone who gets his jollies off by having a 7 year old suck his dick? No. But, according to a majority of priests and preachers, they were chosen by god. So the supreme being is going to enlist a freak who abuses little children for his sexual pleasure? I think not. Just another contradiction with religion. Or how about the fact that you can kill as many people as you want, but by saying a simple prayer you can redeem yourself and go to heaven and kick back in the clouds?

It's a shame that we as a society will draw pity upon someone who has murdered a little child because while he is in prison serving a life sentence, he found god. Depending on the state you're in, that has a big role in determining if you get awarded parole.

GS, the bible is a story itself. There were no records, but the accounts of a few people all with a common goal. Control the masses. Control the wealth. Control the direction your country/empire will go by influencing the king.

Evolution isn't always a change in physical shape. The human form has remained similar for the last 6,000 years I believe, maybe more. Over the course of that 6,000 we have made huge advancements in technology. We've evolved to survive. We've evolved to thrive. More notably, the advancements we've made in the last 600 years. Like someone else has said, just 400 year agos people thought the world was flat and if you sailed far enough in one direction, you'd fall off. Which now that we look back we find that extremely odd and stupid. People used to fight with spears and clubs. Now we fight with depleted uranium rounds and UAVs. But that's right, evolution is bullshit according to you.

You really are just one big walking contradiction to everything in the bible.

^ That's the supreme being

 

[roddthewadd64]

Im a practioner of the sumerian faith so i believe in the gods of old..not just one deity.

 

[SillyStick]

Quoting an old post.

Religion has and will always be a way to control the masses. I mean, what better way to control an unruly kingdom than to instill fear in the hearts of it's citizens by saying that if you do not believe in god, you will go to a place where you will be punished for eternity? As stated in a previous post, there are numerous contradictions in the bible. Did you know that just about every aspect of todays religions can be traced back to the Egyptians?

There is nothing worse than someone who will blindly follow religion. It is human nature to question, but if you question god to someone that blindly follows some religion, you get scolded. How about the numerous priests that molest little kids? Are you going to believe "the word of god" from someone who gets his jollies off by having a 7 year old suck his dick? No. But, according to a majority of priests and preachers, they were chosen by god. So the supreme being is going to enlist a freak who abuses little children for his sexual pleasure? I think not. Just another contradiction with religion. Or how about the fact that you can kill as many people as you want, but by saying a simple prayer you can redeem yourself and go to heaven and kick back in the clouds?

It's a shame that we as a society will draw pity upon someone who has murdered a little child because while he is in prison serving a life sentence, he found god. Depending on the state you're in, that has a big role in determining if you get awarded parole.

GS, the bible is a story itself. There were no records, but the accounts of a few people all with a common goal. Control the masses. Control the wealth. Control the direction your country/empire will go by influencing the king.

Evolution isn't always a change in physical shape. The human form has remained similar for the last 6,000 years I believe, maybe more. Over the course of that 6,000 we have made huge advancements in technology. We've evolved to survive. We've evolved to thrive. More notably, the advancements we've made in the last 600 years. Like someone else has said, just 400 year agos people thought the world was flat and if you sailed far enough in one direction, you'd fall off. Which now that we look back we find that extremely odd and stupid. People used to fight with spears and clubs. Now we fight with depleted uranium rounds and UAVs. But that's right, evolution is bullshit according to you.

You really are just one big walking contradiction to everything in the bible.

^ That's the supreme being

Wow...you pretty much said what I believe. Not only do they want to control out of fear...but it also pushes good ole divide and conquer! I am far less worried about if there is a god or not, then the few powerful elite out there controlling our world.

 

[rivieraman71]

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[rivieraman71]

I believe that there is someting, what? I don't know. I feel it is to much to comprehend and understand, and even if the answer was given to us we probably would question it anyway. Like I said, I believe in something. It may be an ora, spirit, or just mother nature herself.

I went to church for 1.5 yrs and I have to honestly say there were people of everykind in that church, good, bad, 2 faced, etc just like the world outside it. I believe religion can be both good and bad to a certain degree. I never felt anything when I was there, no presence of God so to speak. Doesn't mean that a God doesn't exist. Maybe it wasn't the right time for me to feel his presence, I can't explain what a higher power would feel like so I just live my life one day at a time.

I have to admit I bought the bible 2 weeks ago and have been reading it straight through. The more I read though the more I find unexplainable and even unbelievable. But I guess that's where faith comes in. Alot of it I don't understand and maybe we aren't supposed to and just accept it for what it is. The bible is based on faith and science is based on theory. Niether can be proven to a certain degree.