Current Administration (be prepared-not holding anything back)

goodbutnotgreat · Jun 1, 2005

Both sides are doing a great job of terribly oversimplifying each other's position. Nobody is totally correct, though Bush is a sack of shit to be sure (but hardly original in this role). Conservatives get off on feeling rightous and smug in their belief system (and it has everything to do with belief, not sensible policy or politics). Most leftists just get their jollies whining about how evil and bad conservatives are without examining the issue from anything but an oppositional viewpoint, and so little is reconciled.

Rush Limbaugh is a moron though. For years he raged against drug defendents, adovating strict punisHydromaxents for even offenses such as minor possesion of substances like pot. Then, king-sized asshole that he is, attempts to buy tens of thousands of dollars of narcotics from his housekeeper. Why? Oh yeah, he's a drug addict. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, and damn good at what he does. He just regurgitates all the opinions of his rabid conservative audience right back at them, so they can feel vindicated and justified in their opinions because a guy on the radio agrees with them. Yep, that's some deep scholarship and political discourse right there - an uneducated opinionist on the radio spits out half-baked soundbites he already knows all his listeners agree with, and you all just lap it up with a smile. That's not discussion or even interesting, it's just mental masturbation. He has little if any respect for his adoring audience; you all are just a meal ticket for a bloated pill-popping media enterpriser.

kong1971 · Jun 1, 2005

Ouch! Swank just fucked Limbaugh HARD! haha!

Kal-el · Jun 1, 2005

What is his right-wing agenda?

I think Swank effectively and sufficiently answered that question. Haha

But anyway, more and more Americans do not agree with what George Bush tells us-that "war is unfortunate but necessary to rid the world of evil", implying that God approves of America's policies in which thousands of innocent children are killed in Iraq, US and British soldiers torturing Iraqis or the hundreds of US coffins coming home-all this while the populations of Muslim countries are indoctrinating little children that Islam is the only true religion in order to retaliate.
I just love how right-wingers call liberals "unpatriotic" or other such nonsense. I fully support our troops, just NOT the Commander-In-Chief. No matter what is proven or said, impeacHydromaxent will never happen, mostly because of a GOP controlled congress.
He is pledging a pure campaign of disinformation in order to support the "war on terror". And by invading other countries in the name of this so called "war on terror", killing thousands of innocent civilians, imprisoning and torturing thousands of others, America is only generating a thousand times more terrorists ready to die to avenge the death and tortures endured by their friends and families. How can citizens of the "country of freedom" and the most advanced country in the world, USA, suddenly become war criminals, torturers, and abusers? Only because they are indoctrinated by this big lie of a "war on terror" which makes them see all Arabs or Muslims as potential terrorists guilty of the 9/11 attacks, and needing punisHydromaxent. It is exactly like the Germans in 1938 who were indoctrinated to hate the Jews so much that the majority of them were ready to help Hitler put them in concentration camps. Guantanamo looks more and more like Auschwitz and it is indeed a concentration camp where so called "detainees" have absolutely no rights. The imaginary "war on terror" is creating more terrorists and the future will sadly prove it. Before this quagmire began there were a few hundred religious fanatics ready to blow themselves up in the name of their god, now there are hundred of thousands all over the Muslim world who hate America as never before. Hatred creates hatred. War brings war, and violence brings more violence. "Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword". That's why its more important than ever to remember what Jesus said: "Love your enemies". If these words of Christian wisdom were applied by George Bush, who falsely claims to be a Christian, after September 11 Bush would not have started a war, but by loving his enemies, would have given more support to Palestinians, received more Palestinian refugees,withdrew the military from Saudi Arabia, canceled the economic sanctions against Iraq killing so many children, ask Israel to desroy their wmds, and give as much money as it gives to Israel to Arab countries in a more balanced way. This would have brought peace and love which would have dramatically brought down the number of potential terrorists.

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iwant8inches · Jun 2, 2005

Are any of you "dissenting" September 24th in D.C. L.A. or San Francisco? I've never driven down to D.C. before from here (OHIO), (been to D.C. of course), but I'm hoping to have a friend come with me just in case I get lost.

iwant8inches · Jun 2, 2005

Kal-el said:
What is his right-wing agenda?

I think Swank effectively and sufficiently answered that question. Haha

But anyway, more and more Americans do not agree with what George Bush tells us-that "war is unfortunate but necessary to rid the world of evil", implying that God approves of America's policies in which thousands of innocent children are killed in Iraq, US and British soldiers torturing Iraqis or the hundreds of US coffins coming home-all this while the populations of Muslim countries are indoctrinating little children that Islam is the only true religion in order to retaliate.
I just love how right-wingers call liberals "unpatriotic" or other such nonsense. I fully support our troops, just NOT the Commander-In-Chief. No matter what is proven or said, impeacHydromaxent will never happen, mostly because of a GOP controlled congress.
He is pledging a pure campaign of disinformation in order to support the "war on terror". And by invading other countries in the name of this so called "war on terror", killing thousands of innocent civilians, imprisoning and torturing thousands of others, America is only generating a thousand times more terrorists ready to die to avenge the death and tortures endured by their friends and families. How can citizens of the "country of freedom" and the most advanced country in the world, USA, suddenly become war criminals, torturers, and abusers? Only because they are indoctrinated by this big lie of a "war on terror" which makes them see all Arabs or Muslims as potential terrorists guilty of the 9/11 attacks, and needing punisHydromaxent. It is exactly like the Germans in 1938 who were indoctrinated to hate the Jews so much that the majority of them were ready to help Hitler put them in concentration camps. Guantanamo looks more and more like Auschwitz and it is indeed a concentration camp where so called "detainees" have absolutely no rights. The imaginary "war on terror" is creating more terrorists and the future will sadly prove it. Before this quagmire began there were a few hundred religious fanatics ready to blow themselves up in the name of their god, now there are hundred of thousands all over the Muslim world who hate America as never before. Hatred creates hatred. War brings war, and violence brings more violence. "Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword". That's why its more important than ever to remember what Jesus said: "Love your enemies". If these words of Christian wisdom were applied by George Bush, who falsely claims to be a Christian, after September 11 Bush would not have started a war, but by loving his enemies, would have given more support to Palestinians, received more Palestinian refugees,withdrew the military from Saudi Arabia, canceled the economic sanctions against Iraq killing so many children, ask Israel to desroy their wmds, and give as much money as it gives to Israel to Arab countries in a more balanced way. This would have brought peace and love which would have dramatically brought down the number of potential terrorists.

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I don't want to get too much into this because right now I just don't have the energy, but I find it funny how ALL the countries during WWII had GOD on their side. Every leader said something similar to the effects of God is on our side. It's been that way quite a bit. It's one of the key elements in manipulating and brainwashing a nation into believing their government/leaders are righteous in their quests. It's that extreme patriotism backed by the majority of a people unwilling to question the government outright. Facism is quite beautiful to our current administration...rigged elections, scaring the people into thinking the enemy is anywhere, everywhere, and could be anyone, justifying war on false premises, and limiting the press substantially. It's pretty easy to do here it seems. Our leaders are now more than ever switching from corporate man X to government leader X and back again when their terms are done. And we blindly go about our business thinking it's not so bad...it could be worse. Good thing is we still have the power to stop the insanity that's taken place recently. We still at least can show our government that WE are still here. If the guys under Nixon that are very much involved in today's administration want to see their unsettled business and ideologies come to fruition we'll have to put a stop to it. Who does the U.S. government officials work for exactly? Let's remind them of what happens when the people are ignored. If all of our names ended with an Inc. maybe then they'd change their ways.

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LambdaCalc · Jun 2, 2005

Why do you think the majority of our nation has been brainwashed and bamboozled by the current administartion? This is a very unhealthy, and common belief amongst the liberals in our country. It's like saying everyone is too stupid to realize the truth. The left 'believe' they hold the truth, and those that do not follow are just too stupid and brainwashed to realize it. The left is shooting themselves in the foot with this attitude, and are too dense to realize it is hampering their agenda.

Again, remember that congress overwhelmingly voted to go to war based on the exact same information presented to W and his administartion.

As for Limbaugh, the challenge still stands to listen to what he says and discredit his opinions on the issues at hand.

Who has done more damage, Limbaugh with his dive into pain killers, or Rather/Newsweek/CNN presenting completely false information.

Kal-el · Jun 2, 2005

Again, remember that congress overwhelmingly voted to go to war based on the exact same information presented to W and his administartion.

Congress was definetly told a string of lies about Iraq to push this cause for war. Bush definetly wanted to activate war prior to being president, he was just waiting for a grave tragedy (9/11) to happen to cover it up.

Below is the Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of WMDs, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9/11. Both claims have since been dissaproved and discredited, and appear to be created by the Pentagon office at the heart of the latest Israeli spy scandal.
Therefore, under United States law, the war in Iraq is illegal. And We The People are not under any legal or moral obligation to pay for it, let alone our kids be killed in it.
If anything, Bush and his pro-war Neocon buddies should be required to reimburse the treasury for their private use of government property. I leave the question of civil lawsuits for wrongful deaths to the families of the dead American service people, and the live service people still suffering from depleted uranium.

Read the whole report at www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.html

anti-pop · Jun 2, 2005

Al Franken discredits Rush Limbaugh on a routine basis. Al plays a quote or claim that Rush has said. And then he tells how it's a lie and then tells the truth. The only one I can think of was where Rush said something like "over 70 percent of the people on welfare are teenagers on their first jobs". Al then goes and gets the real statistics from the US Department of Labor and it's realy like 15 or 20%.

Don't quote me on the actual numbers, but the point remains the same. Al also does it with Sean Hannity and O'Reilly. He catches them in outright lies.

iwant8inches · Jun 2, 2005

LambdaCalc said:
Why do you think the majority of our nation has been brainwashed and bamboozled by the current administartion? This is a very unhealthy, and common belief amongst the liberals in our country. It's like saying everyone is too stupid to realize the truth. The left 'believe' they hold the truth, and those that do not follow are just too stupid and brainwashed to realize it. The left is shooting themselves in the foot with this attitude, and are too dense to realize it is hampering their agenda.

Again, remember that congress overwhelmingly voted to go to war based on the exact same information presented to W and his administartion.

As for Limbaugh, the challenge still stands to listen to what he says and discredit his opinions on the issues at hand.

Who has done more damage, Limbaugh with his dive into pain killers, or Rather/Newsweek/CNN presenting completely false information.

No you see the thing about hampering their agenda is that the way things stand currently the agenda is more important than anything else. It's even more important than what the people want and the right (if you want to play this card) cares only what is in the sight's of the President and his administration. And the very few actual Conservatives have any say as to what is pushed in the agenda or more importantly in legislation. Don't even start with the judiciary. The President has made it clear that he'll go along with anything that involves benefitting the elite, cutting out any form of socialist programs which are vital to the country with our health care system, helping friends profit from war and reconstruction, completely dismantle all that this country supposedly stands for, and makes sure that he has as much power as possible. If anyone thinks the President is looking out for anyone other than himself, his elitist friends and international criminals alike then he or she cannot put two and two together or hasn't bothered doing any research. Also, anytime someone mentions the left or liberals somehow fails to see that those terms are not bad words. If there wasn't another side or a group that criticized the government and President do you know what we'd have here? But I suppose all of us liberals should be quiet and behave ourselves. After all our frame of mind hasn't produced a single solution to social security yet right? Oh wait, that's right our way of thinking brought us Social Security. I understand it's a bit difficult to comprehend pragmatism in this country, but if you try hard enough you'll begin to see why Social Security was a pretty good idea and still is to many Americans today.

Newsweek did not report false information. The Koran has been "mishandled" quite a bit since 9/11 and it has been reported many times over the last few years. You know maybe if the U.S. was keeping to any of the things they insisted they wouldn't do in Afghanistan, as in building miltary bases in Afghanistan, maybe the people wouldn't be protesting. Afghanistan has become the pet of the U.S. and like many other countries which we've helped or liberated we've allowed former war criminals run the country. Just one more reason the Afghans were protesting is probably because things haven't changed there for the majority of the population. But I guarantee you the Afghan "President" is glad that the U.S. is still there considering the Pipe Line sitting in their country. The people of that country truly needed help, but the help wasn't delivered because things are not the same, but they are the same.

Innocent people are being held without any formal charge in Guantanamo Bay. How many recieved their right to be heard by a court of justice? Tens of thousands were sold to the military back when there were massive rewards for that sort of thing and how many of those "terrorists" do you suppose were just your every day person? How many of them were dissidents? And you bring up left wing/right wing arguments and a three paragraph report in Newsweek that was doing nothing more than reporting the truth? The amount of misinformation and suppressing of the real news is sickening in this country. Don't ever believe that where we stand today as a country that we are as free as people will tell you. Don't think this country isn't slipping. After all that has happened, with every change that is being attempted like with the fillabuster and the nuclear option...if you can't see that our Senate is full of plenty of crazy power hungry bastards that will toy with something like the fillabuster...and if you can't see it (talking to anyone out there) or take it seriously then we're all in for a long bumpy ride.

goodbutnotgreat · Jun 2, 2005

Yeah, that shit about Limbaugh being "factually correct" all the time is just stupid. The reason people think that is because nobody bothers to check. If you get online though, there are watchdog sites that keep track of the BS, and of course the Franken show, which is infotainment as well but infinately less stupid and at least honest about its political slant. All the conservative mouthpieces present themselves as non-biased or centrist. Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Savage, all of them, but gee whiz, what do you know, their entire fan base is conservative and so is nearly every comment out of their mouths. Yep, they definately don't have a conservative agenda . . . Anybody that buys that will buy anything these guys say. Why? Like I said before, it makes them feel good that some guy on the radio agrees with them. Nothing more, nothing less.

The point of mentioning Rush's drug addiction is that he's a huge hypocrite who just says things to gratify his audience. When Rush got busted did he stand up in court and say "Judge, I've been saying for a decade that all drug offenders ought to be locked up like wild animals, so please do the right thing and throw the book at me. Give me the maximum sentence plus ten." Nope, he plea bargained like a madman and hired some of the most expensive defense lawyers in the country to keep himself out of jail.

It's not about journalism, politics, or really anything topical, it's about selling radio ads. It sickens me that people turn to that mindless drivel for their news and interaction. You all are just lining up to let somebody else tell you what your opinions and ideals should be. If you seriously tune into Limbaugh or Hannity of any of those morons for your news and consider it to be a real discussion of issues, then you're just as dumb as they think you are.

Here's a thought - turn on the BBC world news instead, where it's just coverage of facts and events with no opinions and loud, quarrelsome sound bites. Try making up your own minds about events and politics. It's a lot more useful exercise without some swollen loudmouthed bullshit artist holding your hand for you. Then again I'm inclined to believe that people who listen to that nonsense like having someobdy else tell them what to think, so you may just find it disturbing . . .

iwant8inches · Jun 2, 2005

Well it's easier that way Swank. In the United States the people aren't taught that politics matter. We like sport's statistics. Anyone who knows a little bit more than where they stand on abortion is in the minority. We like to think we're everything we've been pumped up to be, but in truth from the educational system to the way we vote to how little attention the majority pays to their government (federal or state or even local for some) we're set up to be ignorant and non-participitory. Pushing an agenda to those who are ill-informed and too lazy or too narrowminded to see what's what ties in with that and taking comfort in other people thinking similarly. Then again I live in Ohio. Hello Intelligent Design! Goodbye thousands of jobs! well, the jobs have been long gone...so I guess I'm late on that.

LambdaCalc · Jun 2, 2005

Newsweek admitted the report was false.

I don't totally agree with the patriot act either, but for the most part it's not like they are going to the grocery store and nabbing random guys named Bill...unless Bill's real name is of Arabic origin, and Bill tends to buy weird supplies in bulk.

Why do you say the press in this country are suppressed and fed misinformation? It's the duty of the press to gather and validate their own information...that's why they exist. Perhaps you would prefer the press to be controlled by the government as it is in most of the Arab world.

The Koran will probably be mishandled, and the prisoners may be a bit uncomfortable...but isn't prison suppose to be somewhat uncomfortable? Perhaps you would prefer we handle our prisoners in the same manner as our enemy. Perhaps you would prefer our millitary and government to handle the war in the same manner as our enemy. As far as I can tell, the 'torture' the prisoners have been through doesn't amount to anything less that you experience being a fresHydromaxan football/baseball...player or joining a fraternity.

Liberals always seem to be announcing our doom, and genrally being negative about absolutely everything...why?

LambdaCalc · Jun 2, 2005

You are right Swank...Conservatives just line up and listen to a fat man tell them what they want to hear, becasue we are just fat, lazy Americans headed for doom. We can't even check up on the facts ourselves, and proclaim every word out of fat man's mouth to be truth. It's good to have people like you around to remind the rest of us dumb americans just how fat and dumb we are.

iwant8inches · Jun 2, 2005

LambdaCalc said:
Newsweek admitted the report was false.

I don't totally agree with the patriot act either, but for the most part it's not like they are going to the grocery store and nabbing random guys named Bill...unless Bill's real name is of Arabic origin, and Bill tends to buy weird supplies in bulk.

Why do you say the press in this country are suppressed and fed misinformation? It's the duty of the press to gather and validate their own information...that's why they exist. Perhaps you would prefer the press to be controlled by the government as it is in most of the Arab world.

The Koran will probably be mishandled, and the prisoners may be a bit uncomfortable...but isn't prison suppose to be somewhat uncomfortable? Perhaps you would prefer we handle our prisoners in the same manner as our enemy. Perhaps you would prefer our millitary and government to handle the war in the same manner as our enemy. As far as I can tell, the 'torture' the prisoners have been through doesn't amount to anything less that you experience being a fresHydromaxan football/baseball...player or joining a fraternity.

Liberals always seem to be announcing our doom, and genrally being negative about absolutely everything...why?

I trust that you don't realize that people were taken in and not released from custody after 9/11 in this country. There are lots of people that were taken out of their homes in the middle of the night at gun point, but I guess if you were paying attention to the news you'd have known. And it was all based on hear say and racial profiling.

You do realize there are innocent people in prison today in OUR country right? So when our government leaders like Donald Rumsfeld make it clear that indeed there has been reported and confirmed torture going on in Cuba among many other foreign nations it's okay because everyone of the detainees are guilty in some way? That's crazy! Torture is wrong. It doesn't exactly send the message to the people our troops have to fight that torture is not allowed. People's lives have been endangered and have lost lives because of a war, a preemptive war at that, which was based on false/manipulated information, yet the White House of course has enough balls to send Scott McLellan (how he hasn't hanged himself by now I don't know....I don't think the man has ever told the truth in his life, but then again that is his job...he's the least significant man and yet there he is forever lying and spinning) saying that Newsweek's report cost people their lives. Incredulous. And the fraternity analogy? Are you serious? How about looking into Uzbekastan and how they boil people's body parts. Fraternity stuff. Man, I hope you don't believe people in the Middle East hate us for our freedom too.

Yeah liberals, we are here to let everyone know of our pending doom. We're here to offer another side, another viewpoint. It just happens in most cases especially when there is war going on involving the U.S. we are right. It's just nobody seems to really catch on until the end or much later.

goodbutnotgreat · Jun 2, 2005

Lamdacalc, man alive, you just proved my point buddy. That shit about detention centers in Iraq being nothing no worse than "fraternity hijinks" is almost a direct quote from Limbaugh. He famously said the prison guards were making "tough" and "smart" decisions that were possibly saving lives. Thanks for demonstrating that you will actually repeat shit you hear on the radio like a parrot.

The problem with our conduct over there is that A) we're supposedly the shining light of the world and an example, yet we were clearly violating the Geneva Convention and international rules of conduct, which we helped create and enforce, so we looked like total jackasses, and B) In a societal conflict in which they already hate us, internationally publicized photos of our people humiliating and torturing prisoners for sport is like a fucking gift to terrorist recruiters. Our behavior over there recruited a legion of new terrorists and dissolved any credibility we might have been clinging to. We fucked up and caught doing it - what's unpatriotic about acknowledging that?

And, to be clear, there was a lot more shit going on than making the prisoners strip down and pose (which any Muslim man would tell you is more humiliating and horrible for somebody from that culture than almost anything else that could be done to them). The investigations by the Red Cross have revealed that prisoners that died of neglect and abuse were actively hidden from human rights investigators and this is currently under federal investigation. Our own military leaders have condemned the prison and detainment activites over there, and those directly responsible have been tried and convicted of war crimes by a military court (too bad they won't go up the ladder a little farther, they really pinned it down on a few scapegoats). Prisoners were beaten, starved, threatened and attacked by guard dogs, the list goes on. On top of that, a vast number of the detainees in Iraq were just suspects and we had absolutely no right to detain and abuse them. They were denied access to their families, international agencies, or basically the outside world - they just disappeared. One Iraqi journalist that was imprisoned simply because he looked like a suspected insurgent organizer for six months and nearly died is writing a book about his experiences as well as the whole situation. Yep, no worse than a little hazing.

Also, I didn't say you were fat. But Americans are fat - we're the fattest fucking country on Earth, and if the entire world consumed at the rate that we do the planet would be a desert inside of a year. And I know we're dumb, because Rush Limbaugh and BIll O'Reilly are two if the most popular broadcast personalities out there.

German Stallion · Jun 2, 2005

Just for the record....Good answer Bib. To those of you who really are upset with the present administration: Interesting that you live and like it in America but don't like what it takes to get and keep what we have. If we would follow your advice and position, we would soon lose our freedom, and be in the mess some of these other countries. I am proud of our leaders. GS

Bib · Jun 2, 2005

Wow, I had no idea there were this many cool-aid drinkers on this board. Abe Lincoln had it right about fooling people.

Just no way to respond to all the tripe and misinformation reported in this thread by the left leaning members. Nobody would read the lengthy post it would take to respond anyway.

But just a few common sense things to think about.

How come the US did not remove Saddam in the first Gulf War, 1991?

Why is it when the US is asked to leave a country, we always do?

Where is the US stationed in the world, at present, that we are not welcomed by the government.

Why is it that so many people forget that the US has stated emphatically we will leave Iraq if the recently, freely elected government ask us to?

Why were the US and UK the only countries attempting to enforce the Iraqi oil embargo?

Why were Saddams troops almost daily firing at the US and UK planes patrolling the no fly zone?

If Saddam had gotten rid of his WMDs, why did he not allow free and unfettered inspections as he swore he would under the first Gulf was surrender documents.

Why is it nobody on the left ever remembers the numerous UN resolutions that Saddam was in violation of?

What about the oil for food program thefts, and the bribes paid to the Security Council members?

Any deaths or injuries in war are terrible, but how does the left bitch about a war that freed 50 million people, with the fewest casualties in history, on both sides, and the least amount of collateral damage in history?

Why does the left center on bitching about Iraq, but says nothing about Afghanistan? Both were preemptive strikes, against known threats. Afghanistan had never declared war on the US, but Saddam had in the earlier war. A war in which he was in violation of the surrender documents.

How does the left forget so easily that it was the Bill Clinton appointed CIA director, George Tenet that proclaimed the evidence for WMDs in Iraq a "slam dunk", both privately to the President and members of Congress, and publically.

We know that Saddam had WMDs. He admitted it after his son-in-law spilled the beans on his various programs, and when he used them on his own people, the Kurds, and on the Iranians. He did not disclose what happened to these known WMDs as he was supposed to under the surrender documents of the first war, and UN resolutions. So, what happened to them?

IF this was an illegal war, why does the left NOT call for the reinstallation of Saddam, and for paying war costs to Iraq?

As far as all the false quotes attributed to Bush et al, following is a great resource:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/query.htm...q=0&oq=&text=0&qm=0&ql=&st=91&nh=10&lk=1&rf=1

You can search and check on anything the Administration has said about anything. Always good to have accurate information, and to be able to read quotes in context.

Once again, the US has had an election since the was in Iraq began. All the evidence, the true evidence is on the table. Probably every single person in the US understood the position of Bush. And he received the most votes in history.

Be interesting to see how Chirac does.

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kong1971 · Jun 2, 2005

It is NOT unpatriotic to criticize our leaders or national policies. It is our DUTY to do so! We are a DEMOCRACY that is founded on FREEDOM and the RULE OF THE MAJORITY. Anyone who claims otherwise is not talking about a democratic political structure DEPenis EnlargementNDENT on the opinions and needs of the citizens, but a TOTALITARIAN STATE ruled by a privileged few.

The next time you say we should just shut up and support our president and our country's policies, you should just throw up your arm and scream "Heil, Hitler!" Then we can start burning books, imprison dissenters, organize an SS and just hope that our personal religious, racial or political group does not go on the list for extermination in the name of the common good.

In a democracy, it is the job of all citizens to police and contribute to the steering of this vast, powerful and free nation.

Fascists, go get your own country.

Bib · Jun 2, 2005

kong,

Who the hell said you can't criticize? I do all the time. Just not generally about Iraq.

In fact, that is one of the things our guys are fighting for. Do you think the Taliban or Saddam allowed for dissent?

A person may be wrong, and sound stupid as hell. But in the US, he has the right to do so.

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Rod Buster · Jun 2, 2005

Bush and Limbaugh are both lying hypocrites and about the poorest excuses for Christians anywhere. All they really care about is getting richer and finding ways for their pals to get richer. The right wing agenda is to perpetuate class division through economics.

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