Need Help Brother! I may be in the wrong but feel I am not

I enjoy this forum. Always have even as I've come and gone with how much time I spend on here. The one correlation I've made is when I stay active on here i stay more active in my PE routine. I appreciate everybody who takes the time to help with what follows. I just want to know if I am really in the wrong in others eyes as well.

Today I had a run in with ADF that has really bothered me. I was asked by a member who watched my LM video what I use for a wrap b/c he has been having trouble with his wrap. I told him "unfortunately it is a secret right now...It is the first wrap that ever worked for me well besides when I used toilet paper. believe it or not the toilet paper worked well hahaha. I may end up selling this wrap one day." Brother ADF then responded to my comment to the other member, "If DLD kept all his secrets secret, then you would not be as far along as you now are with PE. So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood. I am pretty good at wrapping and even have a sticky about it, but other guys here are not as fortunate as us and need help w/ such issues. Just saying......

Me and him went back and forth because I did not appreciate him demeaning my work and my choice to continue to work on it before sharing it with anyone regardless of the possibility of me selling it one day. He demeaned my work by insinuating I am not here for the brotherhood and only for myself and business. He never asked me any questions about it. Just told me I wasn't supporting the brotherhood and essentially saying I'm selfish and don't care about the brotherhood.

I don't feel as though I am not supporting the brotherhood. This wrap is just something I came up with and am working to perfect just like DLD and the LengthMaster before I release it. I am also working to secure manufacturers so I can have things uniformly sized correctly so people don't have to go through the trouble i have with buying large amounts of material to make something very small.

I hope to get others opinions on this b/c I am hoping I don't seem like I am just some schemer as ADF called me in a post a few minutes ago. Below I will attach our conversation and link it.

It all starts at post #38 and goes until the end of the thread
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83809-Video-using-lengthmaster/page2

He then made me question myself in another thread where i thought we were joking back and forth b/c of the use of lol's and though it ended up seeming he wasn't joking b/c he said to me, "I would not support your personal money making scheme with your secret wrap. Calling me a personal money making schemer i found to be rude, uncalled for and again made me wonder if I am in the wrong. But I think back to DLD and all the other PE equipment designers who took their time to make good products before sharing and/or selling them and i believe i am just doing that. I have been working on this a a very long time and am continuing to work on it to improve the wrap. I hope to create the best wrap ever.

here is that thread. it started on post #1928 (and these first posts here were before ADF and I ever had direct messaging with each other) the recent ones from tonight were bothersome but stemmed from yesterdays posts.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...cial-order-thread-now-shipping-2014!!!/page97


obi1
Re: Video using lengthmaster
youknowme123321, how do YOU wrap for the length master? I've tried DLD's, supra, kingD, stillwantmore, fedora, and superdick's wrapping method. and with all of them I get a lot of pressure on the glans, and I don't see how you guys can stretch at full strength, without the head pressure. that's why I would like to know your(youknowme123321) wrapping method.


youknowme123321
Re: Video using lengthmaster
unfortunately it is a secret right now...It is the first wrap that ever worked for me well besides when I used toilet paper. believe it or not the toilet paper worked well hahaha.
I may end up selling this wrap one day. very cheap materials.


ADF
Share Your Secret Brother 123321
If DLD kept all his secrets secret, then you would not be as far along as you now are with PE. So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood. I am pretty good at wrapping and even have a sticky about it, but other guys here are not as fortunate as us and need help w/ such issues. Just saying.....


youknowme123321
continue moving along...DLD didn't just give away everything he came up with right away...some yes, some no. I went through many wraps and will continue to perfect this one and do as I please with it. I will also continue to share what I want with the brotherhood here through ideas and support and will have no worries about your judgement as to what i should share. just saying......


ADF
I was not judging you and you can do anything you want with you secret precious wrap. Again just saying......


youknowme123321
yes you were...you said I should share my wrap based on your judgement that I wouldn't be as far along in PE as I am if DLD kept all his secrets secret. It was your belief that I should share something I didn't want to based on the brotherhood here and therefore it is implied that if I don't I am not supporting the brotherhood...Judgement. Glad I could clear that up for you.

You are very passive aggressive as displayed by your "secret precious wrap" comment as well as your "again just saying" comments. Your "secret precious wrap comment" also makes me think you were the kid who was always player 1 on video games because its your video game...hahaha. Or you took your basketball home when you lost or weren't picked. Could be wrong about these things though.

This will probably fall on blind eyes but hopefully reading our conversation will make you see you shouldn't tell anyone to share anything they don't want no matter what their reason or your belief.

My last thought that I gathered from your brotherhood comment is I am surprised you did not provide support to me and my endeavors moving forward with something that could become a business venture for myself.


ADF
Take a Xanax and relax bro, it's no big deal. A business venture for yourself I will not support but one for the brotherhood here on MoS I will support. You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here. I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you.

It was not a judgment but a suggestion to share your secret precious wrap. Just keep it or sell it I personally don't care. There is more to the BrotherHood here than you realize and maybe someday you will see that.


youknowme123321
You are very wrong and selfish. Based off your thought process nobody should do anything in PE that requires them to charge money. Did DLD give out the design for any of his PE equipment that he sells before he started selling them. The answer is no.

You are blind to see that this is something I am working on that I hope will be good enough to share someday with members here and elsewhere. Yes I hope it can make me money...just like DLD did & does with his PE ideas b/c it allows him to keep doing it. I'm sure DLD came up with ideas and after working on them himself he said forget it and some became the LENGTHMASTER.

You do care...that is why you commented in the first place. If you did not care you never would have told me what you believe I should do based on your beliefs (that is judgement). To think I only want to think about myself b/c I'm not ready to share something I have been working on for a long time is selfish and misguided (oh and it's judgemental lol). But expected by a judgemental person like yourself.

You do not realize what the brotherhood is about. You said you will not support a business venture for me but would support for the MOS brotherhood. My business venture I hope will be good for the brotherhood one day. Your lack of support for me is a lack of support for the brotherhood that i have and plan to continue to support both through my project and outside of it.

You expect people to do as you feel they should without any thought to their time or what it may bring in the future to the brotherhood. This is my project just like the PA and LM were DLD's projects. Do you feel DLD should share everything he is working on right now that he hopes will be good enough to share and sell or not sell in the future? Or can he keep working on whatever he may be working on and share for free or profit it when he is ready to do so? I look forward to your answers on that.

If you would open your xanax now and take one it would calm the arrogance within you and allow you to step back and see where your thought processes have broken down.

You should see that it makes you seem immature and young to tell that to someone as well as tell them what they should do. Again looking forward to your response about what DLD, or anyone for that matter who designs and sells PE tools, should do when designing something because according to you we are all selfish and don't support the brotherhood because we go out and put in time to improve the brotherhood whether it is something that may make us financial gains or not


youknowme123321
DLD also didn't share SRT with the brotherhood when he was first coming up with the idea..."what an ass" (in my ADF voice)


smerc
Re: Video using lengthmaster

A. If your wrap is something you designed, like w/ products you made and everything. Then I could see your frustration w/ wanting to share it or just being asked to.

B. However, if it's a method/tactic of use w/ products that were given to you w/ the LM, then it's a stingy stance to take to not want to openly divulge information on that. The same can be said w/ any wraps purchased online.


I'm just trying to put out the different point of views here. If you don't want to share something, that's all you. You have every right to share what you want or don't want to.

I will say though, if it's anything like "B.", then you're going to have a hard time wrapping it up as a product for sale. It would need to be more like an ebook if it's comprised of products that are easily obtainable online.


Don't really see what the issue is on the wrap. There are a lot of wrap techniques online if someone didn't want to pay for information on one.


youknowme123321
It would be ridiculous if it were just wrapping materials that came with the LM or were readily known for being used to create a successful wrap lol. It does involve an ACE bandage that can be seen in my pics and videos but beneath that is where the design is happening. One of the materials can be easily purchased online or in specialty type stores but only in large sizes that have to be cut down to size. And then another material i found that I haven't found online yet but can pick up at one local store. Just not for wholesale price . My wrap is very good but still working to make it even better as well as find a manufacturer where I can get these materials sized and wholesale. I have another idea to add to it that was inspired by a yoga product that may replace the ACE bandage forever!!!

Thanks for your reasonable outsider perspective Smerc.

In the end I hope it is a wrap that works for everybody b/c of it's great comfort and to be able to sell these items together for the same price they would purchase them if they were able to go out and order them all from separate sources or actually be able to find them in stores as well as avoid having to resize and shape any of the materials. Also to have in depth videos on applying the wrap.

ADF
*ADF is done w/ this thread*

That was his last thread then it continued through email started by ADF

EMAIL

ADF
Apparently it makes no difference what I say or respond to you since your just going to twist it around to make me look bad for your own selfish gains. FYI DLD has completely given away for free all the SRT info on the free forum. But it is not even mentioned on the members pay site. But you would know that if you were a real paying member. Are you a member of the lifetime members site?

You know that Flaming another member as you did me in post #46 and other posts, is against forum rules right?


youknowme123321
I am not twisting anything around. My points all make sense. You look bad b/c you told me to do something that you shouldn't you have. Otherwise you have to go say the same thing to anyone who has ever worked on something for PE with the plans to sell it. DLD included. That is your mistake, not mine. When I make a mistake I'm not afraid to admit it.

Everyone is aware he gave it away for free. Are you aware that he spent a lot of time on SRT before sharing it? Are you aware of that? Are you aware that is the scenario I am in. I am working on something that I am not ready to share yet. Are you aware that before DLD sold the LM people knew he was working on something and just wasn't ready to share it yet?

You know that you were the first to flame another member in your first message when you told me what to do when you said, "So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood." which rudely insinuates I am not for supporting members here. And again when you said take a xanax and relax. Here is another quote, "A business venture for yourself I will not support but one for the brotherhood here on MoS I will support. You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here." I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you." Now blatantly saying I don't support the brotherhood when I am doing just as DLD and others have done before me. And again in calling me young and immature when I back up everything I say with valid points. You though do not provide any. You just try to put me, my goals, and my projects down that I hope will move the brotherhood forward which DLD inspired me to do.

And you still do not call out DLD on holding back things at first like you do me. Why was it ok for him and others to do that at first but not me?

In post #46 I was not directly calling you an ass. I was sarcastically calling DLD an ass for not telling everybody about SRT right when he began working on the idea even though it wasn't a complete theory and form of training yet. And i was doing so in my ADF voice because you got on my case about not sharing something that isn't completely done and I am still working on. So I used your "voice" to do the same to DLD.


ADF
OK bro, have a nice day. Hope you have success w/ your product.

youknowme123321
thanks bro


That was the end of our privates


I then went on to dicuss wrapping with obi1 a bit.

It would be nice if it could be dropped as it's spilling into other threads now.

My original opinion still stands.

Maybe DLD might express his opinion(s) here.

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smerc;594402 said:

It would be nice if it could be dropped as it's spilling into other threads now.

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Agreed. Along with Why I explained opening this thread...it also takes it out of other threads. Hopefully I can see if others feel I am in the wrong and not supporting the brotherhood. I don't feel this is the case but i am open to others opinions if they share them and it makes sense with rational thoughts whether the opinion is in agreement with me or not. This allows me to work on my thought processing in situations like this moving forward whether it is here or in other realms of my life.

smerc;594402 said:

Maybe DLD might express his opinion(s) here.

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his opinion would be awesome on the situation since he has designed PE equipment and educational info both that he sells and does not sell. I feel that i am doing what he has done and continues to do by designing and working on something to possibly create a business within PE.

I worry peoples responses may dance on the fence between both sides b/c they will want to avoid making one person feel bad. hopefully we will see.

Maybe somewhat (not fully) describe with him through pm with him what you are working on. Also let him know your plans going forward and how much it means to you about helping the brotherhood. Since he has tried different wrapping methods. You never know he may have a suggestion. I don't know or have interacted with either of you. I'm not taking sides at all. Just trying to help defuse a situation.

Edited: I didn't read all the threads and posts between you two.

Happywithbm;594410 said:

Maybe somewhat (not fully) describe with him through pm with him what you are working on. Also let him know your plans going forward and how much it means to you about helping the brotherhood. Since he has tried different wrapping methods. You never know he may have a suggestion. I don't know or have interacted with either of you. I'm not taking sides at all. Just trying to help defuse a situation.

Edited: I didn't read all the threads and posts between you two.

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ok i did explain what I was doing to him. It was obvious from my first message to the person who asked me about my wrap that I was working on a PE product that wasn't ready to share.

I'm not going to tell him the materials for my wrap. that is how you get an idea stolen

You have done all you can. Good luck on the product, I will be more than glad to pick one up from you when they are ready.

Sent this response to ADF so hopefully this can get out of other threads. Read below ADF for my response to your rudeness.

ADF;594433 said:

I am bipolar and sensitive and I'm not a kid, I am 58 and not used to people talking to me the way you do. Well since everything is a joke to you, then why are you so upset at me for asking you to share your secret wrap. You should of just told me right off that you are planning on developing it and selling it, instead of snapping back at me the way you did and accused me of judging you, with child like behavior. Yes, I am an older gentleman who thinks you are acting like a child about all this. I guess I should have just cut you a big check for your project then maybe I would of got a little respect from you.


I don't consider myself rude and no one else but you have ever told me that. As far as being a know it all, I did work at Stanford University physics department as a mechanical designer in engineering back in 1984 so I got a little mechanical device experience under my belt. But I have never mentioned it here until now, since you are making it an issue.


Again you are over exaggerating here what I said. I said I would not support your money making scheme and I said nothing about DLD or any other mechanical designer in the world. It is my money and I will support who I want to with it, or who I don't want to. That is my right. The word scheme does not always have to have a negative connotation put on it. You did that yourself not me.


No your wrong, your the one who brought it up first, You have over exaggerated here, everything i said and anyone reading back thru this thread can see that.

Please try and not bring this up anymore on this thread OK bro!

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Oh you're bipolar. Sorry you have to live with that. I have had many patients in the past who bipolar disorder has affected to varying degrees. That explains why you are unreasonable and continue to refer to the development of PE equpiment as a money making scheme. Google scheme so you can find out what it means in case you don't. If you do know what it means then it is just very rude b/c it is rude to call someones project a secret scheme as you have repeatedly done.

you should have never told me what to do right off the bat when I was talking with someone else.

youknowme123321;594443 said:

Sent this response to ADF so hopefully this can get out of other threads. Read below ADF for my response to your rudeness.



Oh you're bipolar. Sorry you have to live with that. I have had many patients in the past who bipolar disorder has affected to varying degrees. That explains why you are unreasonable and continue to refer to the development of PE equpiment as a money making scheme. Google scheme so you can find out what it means in case you don't. If you do know what it means then it is just very rude b/c it is rude to call someones project a secret scheme as you have repeatedly done.

you should have never told me what to do right off the bat when I was talking with someone else.

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Actually you never posted the above message there. You posted this one:
"Bipolar or not you're very rude."
So I'm glad I have a copy of it here. Saying that me being bipolar has something to do with my behavior and being unreasonable, as you say above, is a prejudice against bipolar people in general. You have continued to be obsessed with me and my opinions to the point of creating this thread and dragging over here posts and threads about me being rude and judgmental. You need to get over this and stop complicating things by over exaggerating everything I say. Look man, you have just broke a major Forum rule of being prejudice against a person or group. DLD is also bipolar like me and may not take kindly to you posting your prejudice ideas about bipolar on the forum. Just let it all go bro and focus on your PE and your wrap.

ADF;594449 said:

Saying that me being bipolar has something to do with my behavior and being unreasonable, as you say above, is a prejudice against bipolar people in general. You have continued to be obsessed with me and my opinions to the point of creating this thread and dragging over here posts and threads about me being rude and judgmental. You need to get over this and stop complicating things by over exaggerating everything I say. Look man, you have just broke a major Forum rule of being prejudice against a person or group. DLD is also bipolar like me and may not take kindly to you posting your prejudice ideas about bipolar on the forum. Just let it all go bro and focus on your PE and your wrap.

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That is not prejudice. How bipolar affects a person is individual to that. Making an assessment that you're rude then linking it to you bipolarr (once you shared that) based on your behavior since your first post to me where you told me what to do and then began calling me a schemer in following posts is a statement made directly towards you. Not anyone who suffers with bipolar to any degree whether it be mild or extreme for them...JUST YOU. Again, whether you had bipolar or not, you're very rude. You have been rude since your first post to me when I was messaging with someone else. You felt it was your place to come in and tell me what to do.

ADF;594449 said:

Actually you never posted the above message there. You posted this one:
"Bipolar or not you're very rude."

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Correct. I did not post the entire message there. I wanted to get it out of the other thread. That is why i sent you the link to hear where I posted the message that was in response to your post in the other thread and you could respond to it here rather then over there. Make sense? Had to get it out of the other thread...Again, that is why i added the link to HERE

youknowme123321;594453 said:

That is not prejudice. How bipolar affects a person is individual to that. Making an assessment that you're rude then linking it to you bipolarr (once you shared that) based on your behavior since your first post to me where you told me what to do and then began calling me a schemer in following posts is a statement made directly towards you. Not anyone who suffers with bipolar to any degree whether it be mild or extreme for them...JUST YOU. Again, whether you had bipolar or not, you're very rude. You have been rude since your first post to me when I was messaging with someone else. You felt it was your place to come in and tell me what to do.

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Your just in denial you are prejudice and you broke the rule:

Before you post at MOS please read these rules and completely understand them.

Racism, Racial Slurs, Prejudicial Behavior, White Power, Nazism, Sexual Orientation discrimination, any other type of discrimination is not tolerated and you will be permanently ban on the spot.

I am now tired of your crap and excuses and jokes and falsely accusing me of being rude. You are the one who is rude and out of control.

*ADF Is Done w/ This Thread*

WOW, I am more confused now than before I read this thread. Maybe someone needs to explain it better for my mind to grasp. My eyes could not understand the fist part especially with all the various posts. An easy explanation would greatly help me.

ADF;594460 said:

Your just in denial you are prejudice and you broke the rule:

Before you post at MOS please read these rules and completely understand them.

Racism, Racial Slurs, Prejudicial Behavior, White Power, Nazism, Sexual Orientation discrimination, any other type of discrimination is not tolerated and you will be permanently ban on the spot.

I am now tired of your crap and excuses and jokes and falsely accusing me of being rude. You are the one who is rude and out of control.

*ADF Is Done w/ This Thread*

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I hope you are actually done. b/c continually telling me what to do and calling myself and all others who have ever worked on PE products and then sold them schemers was extremely frustrating. to be called a schemer so many times by you was getting so old.

ADF please also look up the definition of prejudice. When you decided to share that you have bipolar disorder to me that insinuates to the person you tell that it is the reason for your behavior. Now it only insinuates...you may not have actually informed me you were bipolar as an explanation for your name calling (schemer) and your telling me what to do in your first post to me. You may have just randomly decided to share that.

Me considering your bipolar is the reason for your behavior is a very rational thought after you told me you have bipolar disorder. Though I did say, "bilpolar or not, you're very rude." BY saying or not i leave it open the fact that you may have not meant to tell me you were bipolar to explain you behavior. either way i have found you continued name calling and telling me i didn't support the brotherhood to be rude and unreasonable.

doublelongdaddy;594464 said:

WOW, I am more confused now than before I read this thread. Maybe someone needs to explain it better for my mind to grasp. My eyes could not understand the fist part especially with all the various posts. An easy explanation would greatly help me.

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Basically I was asked about my wrapping technique by another member. I explained to that member it was currently a secret b/c i have been working on finding a great wrap and may eventually sell wraps. ADF then told me to tell everyone my wrap b/c if DLD kept all his secrets secret I would not be where i am in PE and to tell what my wrap was for the brotherhood. which insinuates I am not in support of the brotherhood.

He then told me i wasn't thinking of the brotherhood. I pointed out to him that DLD and other PE equipment developers didn't share all there ideas right away and that some of them such as your LM and PA were then sold. He continually told called what i was doing a scheme and a money making scheme. Which would make anything you and anyone who has made and sold PE equipment a scheme/schemer. I didn't understand why he kept referring to me that way and he never gave any reasoning. Just told me i didn't support the brotherhood and he did and that he doesn't support me, which is fine, but he continued to call me a schemer multiple times and reference the brotherhood. and he didn't like when I called him rude for telling me what to do and calling me a schemer.

then he shared he was bipolar for some reason. I figured he decided to share that he was bipolar b/c it was his way of explaining why he was against my creation of a PE tool for seemingly no reason.

That pretty much somes it up.

youknowme123321;594494 said:

Basically I was asked about my wrapping technique by another member. I explained to that member it was currently a secret b/c i have been working on finding a great wrap and may eventually sell wraps. ADF then told me to tell everyone my wrap b/c if DLD kept all his secrets secret I would not be where i am in PE and to tell what my wrap was for the brotherhood. which insinuates I am not in support of the brotherhood.

He then told me i wasn't thinking of the brotherhood. I pointed out to him that DLD and other PE equipment developers didn't share all there ideas right away and that some of them such as your LM and PA were then sold. He continually told called what i was doing a scheme and a money making scheme. Which would make anything you and anyone who has made and sold PE equipment a scheme/schemer. I didn't understand why he kept referring to me that way and he never gave any reasoning. Just told me i didn't support the brotherhood and he did and that he doesn't support me, which is fine, but he continued to call me a schemer multiple times and reference the brotherhood. and he didn't like when I called him rude for telling me what to do and calling me a schemer.

then he shared he was bipolar for some reason. I figured he decided to share that he was bipolar b/c it was his way of explaining why he was against my creation of a PE tool for seemingly no reason.

That pretty much somes it up.

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I am all for creation of new tools to make the PE process better, of course I have to moderate what is sold on the forums so we don't have a spam issue but if there is something beneficial to the Brotherhood then we definitely want to see it.

doublelongdaddy;594464 said:

WOW, I am more confused now than before I read this thread. Maybe someone needs to explain it better for my mind to grasp. My eyes could not understand the fist part especially with all the various posts. An easy explanation would greatly help me.

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My version is different Brother DLD. It all started when I simply, and NOT rudely suggested he share a secret wrapping idea with the brotherhood and he snapped back at me accusing me of judging him and being rude. I had no idea he was saving it for development and sale. Maybe he mentioned that but I did not read that part. He could of just said it was for sale without accusing me of being rude for interrupting him.

One thing led to another until he made this thread here and dragged stuff here from other threads to continue to accuse me of being rude which I never have been on this forum. Then when he found out I was bipolar he said then thats why you are acting so unreasonable and rude etc. It's all here in the above posts. So I told him that he is prejudice against bipolar people for saying that is why I am acting unreasonable. So I told him that by saying that, he broke a major forum rule about being prejudice aganst bipolars in general and posting those ideas here on this thread. It's all here right above.

So personally DLD, I just want to go on with my PE and just ignore 123321 and his personal issues he has about me. I do wish Brother 123321 the best and hope he has success with his product, and I told him that in a recent post but I guess he either ignored it or didn't see it. I have no problem with 123321 and I hope he feels the same about me.

youknowme123321;594494 said:

Basically I was asked about my wrapping technique by another member. I explained to that member it was currently a secret b/c i have been working on finding a great wrap and may eventually sell wraps. ADF then told me to tell everyone my wrap b/c if DLD kept all his secrets secret I would not be where i am in PE and to tell what my wrap was for the brotherhood. which insinuates I am not in support of the brotherhood.

He then told me i wasn't thinking of the brotherhood. I pointed out to him that DLD and other PE equipment developers didn't share all there ideas right away and that some of them such as your LM and PA were then sold. He continually told called what i was doing a scheme and a money making scheme. Which would make anything you and anyone who has made and sold PE equipment a scheme/schemer. I didn't understand why he kept referring to me that way and he never gave any reasoning. Just told me i didn't support the brotherhood and he did and that he doesn't support me, which is fine, but he continued to call me a schemer multiple times and reference the brotherhood. and he didn't like when I called him rude for telling me what to do and calling me a schemer.

then he shared he was bipolar for some reason. I figured he decided to share that he was bipolar b/c it was his way of explaining why he was against my creation of a PE tool for seemingly no reason.

That pretty much somes it up.

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I was never against your creation of a PE tool. You are making things up that don't exist bro. I shared that I was bipolar cuz you said I was very sensitive and I was confirming it in association w/ bipolarity. Bipolar people are also in the genius category and very creative like DLD and myself. Maybe that Is why you called me rude and a know it all cuz you sensed my ability and it frightened you. You need to chill out and talk to DLD about bipolar so you can learn something about it.

That pretty much sums it up!

I think this whole debacle is similar to the UJW.

UJW a. = a compilation of product(s) purchased online/locally (NOT FREE)
UJW b. = instructions on how to wrap administer the wrap (FREE)
UJW c. = sold here on the forum for users that might not want BS around finding a good material source (NOT FREE (but instructions still free))

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OPwrap a. = a compilation of product(s) purchased online/locally (NOT FREE) (also assumed no wholesale costs to make the $$ lesser on the consumer)
OPwrap b. = instructions on how to wrap administer the wrap (NOT FREE)
OPwrap c. = sold here on the forum (assuming it will be) because it might not be sold anywhere else other than other forums or a website (NOT FREE (& instructions not free until after purchase))


I never seen anyone sell a wrap or brand it a certain way for sell, other than whats listed in "UJW c.".

So I think what ADF took issue with was that you shouldn't withhold instructions to make something. As instructions for the UJW were not withheld from the PE public. That's really the only PE product you can compare it to. Not the LM, which is crafted heavily.

STATED: Like you stated earlier or what you alluded to, was that there is a assumed high cost for the wrap material.
ASSUMED by me: Which you would then purchase w/ a bulk discount and sell the material along w/ instructions on how to do the wrap.


Forgive me if I'm incorrect.

doublelongdaddy;594521 said:

I am all for creation of new tools to make the PE process better, of course I have to moderate what is sold on the forums so we don't have a spam issue but if there is something beneficial to the Brotherhood then we definitely want to see it.

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I've never presumed or mentioned hopes I'd be selling it through your forum or website. If that happened of course it'd be cool b/c that would mean I created a legit product.

Always appreciate your positive outlook and support

smerc;594536 said:

I think this whole debacle is similar to the UJW.

UJW a. = a compilation of product(s) purchased online/locally (NOT FREE)
UJW b. = instructions on how to wrap administer the wrap (FREE)
UJW c. = sold here on the forum for users that might not want BS around finding a good material source (NOT FREE (but instructions still free))

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OPwrap a. = a compilation of product(s) purchased online/locally (NOT FREE) (also assumed no wholesale costs to make the $$ lesser on the consumer)
OPwrap b. = instructions on how to wrap administer the wrap (NOT FREE)
OPwrap c. = sold here on the forum (assuming it will be) because it might not be sold anywhere else other than other forums or a website (NOT FREE (& instructions not free until after purchase))


I never seen anyone sell a wrap or brand it a certain way for sell, other than whats listed in "UJW c.".

So I think what ADF took issue with was that you shouldn't withhold instructions to make something. As instructions for the UJW were not withheld from the PE public. That's really the only PE product you can compare it to. Not the LM, which is crafted heavily.

STATED: Like you stated earlier or what you alluded to, was that there is a assumed high cost for the wrap material.
ASSUMED by me: Which you would then purchase w/ a bulk discount and sell the material along w/ instructions on how to do the wrap.


Forgive me if I'm incorrect.

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I know I said I was done with this thread, but after just posting my version of what happened to DLD, I might as well add this post as well. You are right smerc with your explanation of my issue about it, though I didn't know it was called a UJW.