ADF;594557 said:
I know I said I was done with this thread, but after just posting my version of what happened to DLD, I might as well add this post as well. You are right smerc with your explanation of my issue about it, though I didn't know it was called a UJW.
Also I have just put brother youknowme123321 on 'IGNORE' for my own sanity. Not letting you be a trigger anymore 123321. You have a total lack of respect for anyone who disagrees w/ you and upsets you the way I guess I did. So I apologize for upsetting you. But you should also apologize for saying that since I am bipolar I am:
"That explains why you are unreasonable and continue to refer to the development of PE equpiment as a money making scheme." (your words not mine) The word scheme does not have to have a negative connotation put on it, but you did that too!

And last but not least, lets not forget that you did break a major forum rule by posting your prejudice against people w/ bipolar even though you were in denial about it right away, you still did it. But you may not even get a warning about it since DLD and staff here are kick back and relaxed and very good hearted people. But rules are rules when it comes to the major ones. Again I will say I'm sorry for upsetting you but that is no accuse
to break a major forum rule like you did 123321.
 
Now ADF you can see in the breakdown below where you have been rude, unreasonable, controlling (telling me what to do) and lied.

ADF;594528 said:
My version is different Brother DLD. It all started when I simply, and NOT rudely suggested he share a secret wrapping idea with the brotherhood and he snapped back at me accusing me of judging him and being rude. I had no idea he was saving it for development and sale. Maybe he mentioned that but I did not read that part. He could of just said it was for sale without accusing me of being rude for interrupting him.

You did not simply suggest suggest anything. below is your first message to me in response to my message to obi1. a message not to you.

ADF;594256 said:
If DLD kept all his secrets secret, then you would not be as far along as you now are with PE. So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood. I am pretty good at wrapping and even have a sticky about it, but other guys here are not as fortunate as us and need help w/ such issues. Just saying.....:)

"So tell us your secret wrap so we can all move along home together as one Brotherhood." those were your words... that comment insinuates that by me not being ready to share my wrap yet is that i am not for the progression of the brotherhood. that is rude and judgmental of you to say.

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ADF;594528 said:
I had no idea he was saving it for development and sale. Maybe he mentioned that but I did not read that part. He could of just said it was for sale without accusing me of being rude for interrupting him.

That is a lie...you did know. that info was literally in the first message I sent to obi1 which was also the first message you responded to me about. You can see that in my quote below responding to obi1.

youknowme123321;594247 said:
unfortunately it is a secret right now...It is the first wrap that ever worked for me well besides when I used toilet paper. believe it or not the toilet paper worked well hahaha. I may end up selling this wrap one day. very cheap materials.


look at that...you did know.

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ADF;594528 said:
One thing led to another until he made this thread here and dragged stuff here from other threads to continue to accuse me of being rude which I never have been on this forum.

i showed examples of your rudeness above. More below

ADF;594266 said:
Take a Xanax and relax bro, it's no big deal. A business venture for yourself I will not support but one for the brotherhood here on MoS I will support. You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here. I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you.

There is more to the BrotherHood here than you realize and maybe someday you will see that. :)

Xanax comment...rude. you said, "You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here. I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you." all of that is judgmental and rude. you said, "There is more to the BrotherHood here than you realize and maybe someday you will see that. :)". again, that is rude and judgmental. all of this was said by you to me b/c i wasn't ready to share my wrap b/c it's not ready and I may sell it one day like you told me to.
you literally told me multiple times I don't support the brotherhood...very rude and judgmental

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ADF;594266 said:
Then when he found out I was bipolar he said then thats why you are acting so unreasonable and rude etc. It's all here in the above posts. So I told him that he is prejudice against bipolar people for saying that is why I am acting unreasonable. So I told him that by saying that, he broke a major forum rule about being prejudice aganst bipolars in general and posting those ideas here on this thread. It's all here right above.

I did not find out you were bipolar...YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE BIPOLAR. see below

ADF;594266 said:
I am bipolar and sensitive and I'm not a kid, I am 58 and not used to people talking to me the way you do.

My first response to you telling me you were bipolar was saying "bipolar or not, you're very rude". you can see that below

youknowme123321;594444 said:
ADF...Use the link below for my response. This way it stays out of other threads. Bipolar or not you're very rude.

My 2nd response that referenced you telling me you were bipolar was in this thread. you can see that response below.

youknowme123321;594443 said:
Oh you're bipolar. Sorry you have to live with that. I have had many patients in the past who bipolar disorder has affected to varying degrees. That explains why you are unreasonable and continue to refer to the development of PE equpiment as a money making scheme. Google scheme so you can find out what it means in case you don't. If you do know what it means then it is just very rude b/c it is rude to call someones project a secret scheme as you have repeatedly done. you should have never told me what to do right off the bat when I was talking with someone else.

Now it is not unreasonable or prejudice against anyone with bipolar for me to consider your bipolar disorder as a reason for your rudeness and unreasonable comments when you voluntarily told me you are bipolar. bipolar disorder does affect people to varying degrees. I have shown in this post you have been rude, unreasonable, controlling (telling me what to do), and lied. That could or could not be related to your bipolar...no one will ever know.

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ADF;594266 said:
So personally DLD, I just want to go on with my PE and just ignore 123321 and his personal issues he has about me. I do wish Brother 123321 the best and hope he has success with his product, and I told him that in a recent post but I guess he either ignored it or didn't see it. I have no problem with 123321 and I hope he feels the same about me.

you cannot expect me to care, acknowledge, or even believe that wish me the best and hope i have success with all the things you have said to me. i've done nothing but provide fact after fact about what you've said to and about me.

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ADF;594266 said:
I was never against your creation of a PE tool. You are making things up that don't exist bro. I shared that I was bipolar cuz you said I was very sensitive and I was confirming it in association w/ bipolarity. Bipolar people are also in the genius category and very creative like DLD and myself. Maybe that Is why you called me rude and a know it all cuz you sensed my ability and it frightened you. You need to chill out and talk to DLD about bipolar so you can learn something about it.

this entire statement is off base. I called you rude long before you told me you were bipolar and what ability are you speaking of that may have frightened me? you have suggested or provided no genius like abilities in anyway. you have though proven to be rude, unreasonable, controlling (telling me what to do), and a liar. Sure some people who are bipolar are smart and creative just as there are people who are bipolar and are neither of those. Some genius creative people aren't even bipolar.
 
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Here is more proof you lied

ADF;594266 said:
I had no idea he was saving it for development and sale.

Back to this lie that you told at 4:16PM today today to DLD. If you had no ides that i was saving it for development and sale how come at 11:17AM yesterday said you will not support my business venture and to just keep it or sell it that you didn't care. below is your quote where you will see you said that which proves you knew I wasn't ready to share it and have considered selling it.

ADF;594266 said:
Take a Xanax and relax bro, it's no big deal. A business venture for yourself I will not support but one for the brotherhood here on MoS I will support. You sound young and immature to accuse me of judging you right off instead of thinking of the Brotherhood here. I don't really give a damn about your secret precious wrap and was just thinking about the guys here. But it seems you only want to think about yourself and what is financially good for you.

It was not a judgment but a suggestion to share your secret precious wrap. Just keep it or sell it I personally don't care. There is more to the BrotherHood here than you realize and maybe someday you will see that. :)

Here is more proof you knew I was unready to share it and that you knew I am considering selling it once the wrap is done. Below you call my idea a money making scheme. That is the proof you were not being truthful. It was also rude to call it a money making scheme. A scheme is dishonest and implies intent to screw people over dishonestly. And you said that yesterday at 10:17PM again proving you knew i was developing and selling it even though you told DLD at 4:16PM today you didn't know that.

ADF;594395 said:
I don't remember having any tiff w/ you this morning. I said what I said and left the thread since you somehow took offense to it. You called it a bad joke yourself so I just repeated what you said. Look bro 123321, if you want to cry about: "It's even worse b/c explanations of the joke have been made:(" then go ahead. You made the explanation yourself.

You are upset with me cuz I said I would not support your personal money making scheme with your secret wrap. But here on this thread is not the place to discuss this matter. :)
 
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Wow youknowme no need to start a thread about really nothing at all the guys were just asking about your secret wrap technique and you come back with all guns blazing relax dude oh and what wrap are you using?
 
8incyclops;594571 said:
Wow youknowme no need to start a thread about really nothing at all the guys were just asking about your secret wrap technique and you come back with all guns blazing relax dude oh and what wrap are you using?

to be told what to do by someone you dont know is not nothing. To be be told you are a money making schemer that doesn't support the brotherhood is not nothing. to have someone repetitively lie is not nothing. my wrap is in development and not available. The products can't be bought in stores. except for the ACE bandage i do use with it.

I dont appreciate you telling me to relax when you clearly aren't a part of this and don't know exactly what has been going on. Please don't message me in reference to this matter again... thank you 8incyclops
 
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Leave ADF alone he is suffering from bipolar and doesn't need a downer from you.
DLD or an admin please remove this thread it's got nothing to do with PE only a guy trying to get his way
 
smerc;594536 said:
I think this whole debacle is similar to the UJW.

UJW a. = a compilation of product(s) purchased online/locally (NOT FREE)
UJW b. = instructions on how to wrap administer the wrap (FREE)
UJW c. = sold here on the forum for users that might not want BS around finding a good material source (NOT FREE (but instructions still free))

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OPwrap a. = a compilation of product(s) purchased online/locally (NOT FREE) (also assumed no wholesale costs to make the $$ lesser on the consumer)
OPwrap b. = instructions on how to wrap administer the wrap (NOT FREE)
OPwrap c. = sold here on the forum (assuming it will be) because it might not be sold anywhere else other than other forums or a website (NOT FREE (& instructions not free until after purchase))


I never seen anyone sell a wrap or brand it a certain way for sell, other than whats listed in "UJW c.".

So I think what ADF took issue with was that you shouldn't withhold instructions to make something. As instructions for the UJW were not withheld from the PE public. That's really the only PE product you can compare it to. Not the LM, which is crafted heavily.

STATED: Like you stated earlier or what you alluded to, was that there is a assumed high cost for the wrap material.
ASSUMED by me: Which you would then purchase w/ a bulk discount and sell the material along w/ instructions on how to do the wrap.


Forgive me if I'm incorrect.

The UJW is just an ACE bandage. Nothing more. This is why i can compare my wrap with the LengthMaster. I have obtained various materials (some in stores and some ordere as they are not sold in stores) and continue to in order to improve this wrap. Most materials went in the trash.

I have the right to withhold anything I want, I'm sure you know that, whether it is a product I'm developing or not. for ADF to take issue is unnecessary & unreasonable. Also the manner he did it was rude. of course if it was just as simple as the UJW it would be stupid of me to not share it and actually try to sell it.

The actual wrap material will not be that expensive. don't remember where i stated or possibly alluded to that they would have a high cost. below is my first message ever that i reference my wrap in and at the end you can see i say "very cheap materials". i bolded it.

youknowme123321;594247 said:
unfortunately it is a secret right now...It is the first wrap that ever worked for me well besides when I used toilet paper. believe it or not the toilet paper worked well hahaha.

I may end up selling this wrap one day. very cheap materials.

instructions will be free with the wrap but you are correct a person will only get them after purchasing but I make vids for here anyways so whether it was sold here or not I'd make a video showing how to do the wrap. this video could be seen as a marketing tool.

Also no need to assume it will be sold here...i dont work with DLD.
 
ADF's response was very minor he didn't mean to be rude he stated that and you have attacked him in in most of your posts and started a thread about being upset because your not happy about him defending himself,STOP!! being a bully admins please get rid of this thread it's very off putting
 
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8incyclops;594574 said:
Leave ADF alone he is suffering from bipolar and doesn't need a downer from you.
DLD or an admin please remove this thread it's got nothing to do with PE only a guy trying to get his way

ADF is the one that didn't leave me alone. He was rude to me. He told me what to do. He told me and anyone who read his posts that i don't support the brotherhood. And he lied to DLD in posts. all of this can be read above. i quoted everything he said...even added in times and days posted on some of them that proved. He was the downer from the start. I was taught not to let anyone treat you poorly or push you around whether verbally/mentally or physically.

Not sure what you mean by trying to get my way? I have nothing to get out of this. I just won't let someone walk all over me and talk to me the way he did. His random choice to tell me he has bipolar does not excuse him from saying the things he did to and about me. Hopefully he has his bipolar under control so he can live happily.

This thread wasn't made in a PE section

Again, please don't message. you are not and were not a part of this.
 
8incyclops;594579 said:
ADF's response was very minor he didn't mean to be rude he stated that and you have attacked him in in most of your posts and started a thread about being upset because your not happy about him defending himself,STOP!! being a bully admins please get rid of this thread it's very off putting

ADF responses were not minor. he never stated he didn't mean to be rude. he called me a schemer. he told me i did not support the brotherhood like he does. he told me what to do. etc etc etc.
 
It's the internet we can talk to you how we want to talk to you he probably feels the same way!
 
8incyclops;594582 said:
It's the internet we can talk to you how we want to talk to you he probably feels the same way!

if it is the internet and you and him can talk to me how you want to talk to me why is it not okay for me to talk to him the way i want to talk to him?

your statement lacks logic..if you really felt that way you wouldn't mind the way anyone talks to each other on the internet. Is this ADF? lol
 
8incyclops;594574 said:
Leave ADF alone he is suffering from bipolar and doesn't need a downer from you.
DLD or an admin please remove this thread it's got nothing to do with PE only a guy trying to get his way
I agree with you bro 8incyclops 100% And yes please someone remove this thread since 123321 is now just using it to spam his product. I am now in a bipolar depression because of this thread and the other posts he made about me in the other threads. <:( it is effecting my PE and I can't eat.
 
ADF;594584 said:
I agree with you bro 8incyclops 100% And yes please someone remove this thread since 123321 is now just using it to spam his product. I am now in a bipolar depression because of this thread and the other posts he made about me in the other threads. <:( it is effecting my PE and I can't eat.

You started this ADF with your rude comments towards me about a money making scheme, about my lack of support for the brotherhood. with your lies. Go read all of it above. facts are facts.

I don't have a product to spam with. I was asked about my wrap which i stated i wasn't ready to share in response. you then began talking to me about my wrap and what to do. prior to obi1's question i had never mentioned my wrap.

YOU STARTED ALL OF THIS...YOU DID. you made statements to me for no reason. I only responded to you. sorry if that hurt your feelings but you messaged me first and started saying things to me. not the other way around.
 
ADF...I'm sorry for my part in this. we disagreed and that happens to everyone whether it's with friends, family or people you don't know. I've stated my dislike for the things you've said to me since the very first message you sent. it all upset me. especially when you called me a money making schemer and told me I don't support the brotherhood like you do. How could I not feel upset and offended by that and defend myself? that's a rhetorical question.
 
youknowme123321;594583 said:
if it is the internet and you and him can talk to me how you want to talk to me why is it not okay for me to talk to him the way i want to talk to him?

your statement lacks logic..if you really felt that way you wouldn't mind the way anyone talks to each other on the internet. Is this ADF? lol

We are just fighting back and you don't like it
Yeah I'm ADF :s I've been on mos since 2006 this has been 8 years in the making
 
LOL this fits
brotherhood bla bla bla.. its all about money..its just a cover.. level IQ/EQ very low but at least you have huge dicks and egos lol
 
8incyclops;594610 said:
We are just fighting back and you don't like it
Yeah I'm ADF :s I've been on mos since 2006 this has been 8 years in the making

ummm that is not an answer to the question if it is the internet and you and him can talk to me how you want to talk to me why is it not okay for me to talk to him the way i want to talk to him? you avoid questions like ADF did.

fighting back and i dont like it? lol...there is no reason for you to have said that. If anything my willingness to comment back means I don't mind you "fighting" back. Very poor choice of words on your part.

what exactly are your fighting? is it the facts i provided? is it the direct quotes i provided to back about what i say? neither you or ADF provide and facts. you say things but then can't back them up.
 
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