Current Administration (be prepared-not holding anything back)

Throughout the summer of 2001, even as U.S. embassies buzzed with word of an impending attack, Bush remained focused on such ancient obsessions as ousting Hussein and building a missile defense sheild against long-range missiles that no terrorists or rogue states possesed. (fast forward 2 years)
France had taken a courageous position against the war in Iraq. President Chirac reacted with good common sense, as a world in peace is always preferable and more constructive.This did not stop George W. Bush, from sending his troops and, from ravaging the country. All this under the pretense of eradicating the totaltarian regime of Saddam Hussein and all forms of terrorism. Not to mention Iraq NEVER possesed wmds, and that was Bush's main sales pitch for this bloodbath. The result is 1,600 dead US soldiers for nothing, and several thousand wounded. The Iraqi population weeps for 40-50,000 victims from American bombings. Iraq, a ruined and devestated country, has become the "sanctuary" for all of Islam's armed groups, a place where they can perpetrate attacks, kidnappings, fierce struggles against the illegal occupant, who is a symbol of the "infidel" and delinquent west, which imposes its democracy with missiles and its christian values through torture, and all this for a few more barrels of oil...
The one responsible is George W. Bush. I hold him personally liable and responsible for the deaths of over 1600 American soldiers, and almost 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. And the numbers keep swelling. I don't blame the soldiers, they have to feed their families and they are just doing what they think is right, I blame the brains behind the braun.
And whats worse is George Bush is now trying to justify the whole operation by posing as the champion of democracy and promising that it will definetly bring peace to the middle east. He even wants to go one step further by using the sucess of the Iraqi and Palestinian elections, hoping that Egypt and others will follow. He now hopes to turn his illegal mistake into a historical sucess and become known as someone who changed history by bringing peace into this devestated region. This is a new manipulation of the truth in order to give the illusion to the world that this Illegal invasion of a soverign country, carried out under false pretenses, was in fact extremely beneficial.
And I like how he claims the US is doing "the will of God"- I think George is a bit confused, he seems to not be able to differentiate between Satan and God.

I know this will piss some people off, but please don't judge me as one should'nt be judged based on their beleifs.

Judge you? I agree with you. Part of the reason I quit watching television was because I was tired of the government controlled "news" and media brainwashing. Anyone with a half-way functioning brain can see what is going on here. Let's see... son of well-to-do oil company family becomes president, shortly invades and takes control of oil-rich underdeveloped country. Haha. It's almost laughable if this travesty wasn't so bloody and tragic. George Bush will go down as one of the biggest crook presidents of all time ...just wait and see... if we survive the next three-some-odd-years...

I really shoudn't say it, but if the founding fathers knew what W was up to, they'ed be rolling around in their graves! This is kinda off topic, but I think stem cells, once perfected, can prolong the lives of millions of people with diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's to name a few, and W used his presidential veto, and shot down further funding on stem cell research. He claimed," Being a well-devoted Christian(as if thats not contradicting enough), I'm against killing". I find that once again contradicting, when he said hes against killing, it seems like he has no problem killing 100s of thousands of Iraqi civilians with his illegal occupation.

i agree with you on most parts, how i differ is that i don't consider bush the only person to blame, there are many many people behind him.

and i do think the soldiers are partly to blame, they are willingly participating and furthering this wrong cause.

and the whole religion thing, politicians will just throw in the religious twist and it'll instantly convince 90% of the christians out there that they're doing the right thing. happens everywhere, not just politics.

Shithead, I blame the WHOLE administration for this war, or bloodshed. Starting with W- right down to the head of Fox news for being the "mouth" of the Bush administration. The soldiers are being used based on lies, and soon they will realize this. I personally think Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice, Ashcroft, and Powell should be in front of an international court being tried for "crimes against humanity".

I think George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers are probably spinning like tops down there. One problem with turning a country like the US into an empire is that empires fall, and when they do, they usually fall hard. We need only look to the past to learn this lesson. Rome, Spain, England... History repeats itself. Once we were an undeveloped region fighting off the yokes of an overseas oppressor... now, almost 300 years later, we have cast ourselves in the role of Imperial Occupier. Doesn't W have any advisors who studied history and can tell him what happened in those historical situations? There is no profit in the occupation of a resistant foreign nation. Military enforcement and losses will offset any profit eventually.

I think George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers are probably spinning like tops down there. One problem with turning a country like the US into an empire is that empires fall, and when they do, they usually fall hard.--kong 1971

That's democracy at work; the creation of a democratically supported imperialist power. It feels good to vote for the emperor when you are a citizen of the empire, benefiting from the fruits of the looting that were taken by brute force.

Kal,

And now, for a different perspective...

>France had taken a courageous position against the war in Iraq. President Chirac reacted with good common sense, as a world in peace is always preferable and more constructive.<

What a load of shit. France and Chirac had been bought off with oil-for-food money. He is a crook, and after the defeat of the EU constitution, is totally ineffective, and will probably be defeated. While Bush, Blair, etc, have been re-elected. Standing up for what is right generally pays off.

>This did not stop George W. Bush, from sending his troops and, from ravaging the country. All this under the pretense of eradicating the totaltarian regime of Saddam Hussein and all forms of terrorism.<

So you believe it would be better to re-install Saddam as the leader of Iraq, correct? Either he was one of the worst leaders of a country in history, or he is innocent. Either he should be tried as a criminal, or put back in power. Perhaps those hundreds of thousands of bodies dug up in the desert were manufactured.

>Not to mention Iraq NEVER possesed wmds, and that was Bush's main sales pitch for this bloodbath.<

So the Iranians and Kurds killed by Saddam's WMDs were faked also? He never had WMDs? What a load of shit. I believe he still had them at the beginning of the war. It just does not make sense that he did not. But whether he did or did not, he still had the capability, the knowledge, the means, and the will, to make more WMD once the heat was off. That is what was important. Not the evidence of barrels of weapons.

The threat was the man himself, and his obvious willingness to use these weapons, and not only possibly, but probably give them to terrorist organizations for use in other countries. That is and was a risk too great. Bush, Blair, Howard, et al made the correct decision.

>The result is 1,600 dead US soldiers for nothing, and several thousand wounded.<

Thankfully, myself and millions of other citizens do not feel this way. These men and women did not die for nothing. They died in the most honorable way possible, in service to others. They not only died protecting the US, and the rest of the world, but especially to free 50 million people. Look back in ten years time to see their true contribution.

Interesting in your diatribe, you never even mention Afghanistan. Was that was also wrong? All of the same things could be said about that situation, or many other situaitons throughout history. Why did the US become involved in WWII in Europe? Germany had done nothing to the US. Were we wrong to help defeat Hitler?

An obvious comparison would be to look at the millions of East Asians killed after the US pulled out of Vietnam. Everyone celebrates the end of the Vietnam war, but how many realize the death and destruction that occured after the US protection was pulled out? Who is responsible for THOSE deaths? How about the "peace" activists?

>The Iraqi population weeps for 40-50,000 victims from American bombings. Iraq, a ruined and devestated country, has become the "sanctuary" for all of Islam's armed groups, a place where they can perpetrate attacks, kidnappings, fierce struggles against the illegal occupant, who is a symbol of the "infidel" and delinquent west, which imposes its democracy with missiles and its christian values through torture, and all this for a few more barrels of oil...<

Oh bullshit. Where is this new oil coming from? Why not mention the oil for food program, with all of it's foibles? Where is the fucking torture? Nude pics? Compared to Saddam's regime? You must be joking. News flash: The Iraqis see the tide of the US actions, and are well on their way to building a free, fair, and democratic country. They are fighting AGAINST the insurgents, the former Sunni torturers and Al Queda, who care NOTHING for their fellow Muslims.

>The one responsible is George W. Bush. I hold him personally liable and responsible for the deaths of over 1600 American soldiers, and almost 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. And the numbers keep swelling. I don't blame the soldiers, they have to feed their families and they are just doing what they think is right, I blame the brains behind the braun.<

Thankfully, there are millions who do not hold your view, not just in the US, but around the world. Bush re-elected, Blair re-elected, etc, etc. What is great is, Bush and Blair, et al, do take the responsibility. They should also accept the accolades for a job well done.

>And whats worse is George Bush is now trying to justify the whole operation by posing as the champion of democracy and promising that it will definetly bring peace to the middle east. He even wants to go one step further by using the sucess of the Iraqi and Palestinian elections, hoping that Egypt and others will follow.<

Well duh. Do you deny that democratic countries are historically more peaceful? What a wonderful idea. If the entire middle east becomes democratic, the common man of each country having the ability of self determination, then it is almost guaranteed that the region will finally be free and peaceful. There are only about 50,000 violent Wahabists, that have an irrational voice because of violence. If their voice is drowned out by the millions of peace loving Muslims, there will be peace in the region.

And W said all of this from the beginning, not just during or after the war.

>He now hopes to turn his illegal mistake into a historical sucess and become known as someone who changed history by bringing peace into this devestated region. This is a new manipulation of the truth in order to give the illusion to the world that this Illegal invasion of a soverign country, carried out under false pretenses, was in fact extremely beneficial.<

Illegal? He had the consent of a huge majority in Congress (who were privy to the same information W had), as well as a UN resolution. Same in about thirty other countries. You may try to rewrite history, but it does not wash. Every true, fair examination of the actual facts reveals the opposite conclusion to your findings. Be honest.

And in the end, in the decades to come, when all can be seen in the light of hindsight, you will find that his decisions were true and correct.

>And I like how he claims the US is doing "the will of God"- I think George is a bit confused, he seems to not be able to differentiate between Satan and God.<

Please find ONE occurance of W claiming he is doing "the will of God". You are not honest.

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Bib, I have to respectfully disagree with you:

[/QUOTE]Interesting in your diatribe, you never even mention Afghanistan. Was that was also wrong? All of the same things could be said about that situation, or many other situaitons throughout history. Why did the US become involved in WWII in Europe? Germany had done nothing to the US. Were we wrong to help defeat Hitler?
[/QUOTE]So you believe it would be better to re-install Saddam as the leader of Iraq, correct? Either he was one of the worst leaders of a country in history, or he is innocent. Either he should be tried as a criminal, or put back in power. Perhaps those hundreds of thousands of bodies dug up in the desert were manufactured.[/QUOTE]

I agree that Saddam has alot of blood on his hands, heck, he put his own people in shredders, but he'll NEVER have the amount of blood on his hands as the coalition, err should I say, American army. What Saddam did I consider "population control" I know that sounds harsh, but its true. George Bush should have just put our soldiers in shredders, or pulled the trigger himself, because the end result is the same.
The USA is only 5% of the world population and they dominate the whole world and have militaries in 120 countries. It is not possible for 5% of the world population to bring democracy to 95%!

A job of a military soldier is to protect the US from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, not to overthrow dictatorships. WW2 was alot different. It wasn't a quagmire. Germany wasn't being illegally occupied for years with no end in sight, and the majority of the population not to mention the world supported us. In hindsight Saddam NEVER attacked us, while Hitler declared war on the U.S.
The American invaders announced that they were going to be welcomed as liberators and covered in flowers by the people. In fact, the truth is that they were seen for what they really were, an occupying force and over 1600 american soldiers were killed by the Iraqi resistance and over 10,000 severly wounded and probably handicapped for life. And this massacre continues today.
This occupying force then claimed to have "won the hearts and minds" of the people, but instead, the humiliations, the arbitrary imprisonment, the torture carried out in the prisons, the blatant crimes and massive destruction such as in the city of Fallujah, has made the people hate the occupying force as never before. Consequently the occupyiers prefer to avoid contact all all costs with the Iraqi people,who keep on asking them the akward question of "when will you go home?", and instead pass the buck to the Iraqi police of maintaining order.
Anyone who resists the American occupation is branded as terrorists, just as the Nazi soldiers called the French resistance terrorists too. Bush is also smoke-screening with his attempt to make beleive that the resistance is either composed of foreigners or old followers of Saddam. The truth is that the vast majority of it is composed of Iraqis happy to have been rid of Saddam, but who also want the occupying forces to leave their country. I'm sure you wouldn't feel the same way if lets say China illegally attacked and occupied the US, killing and torturing the populus.
Finally, the recent elections are wheeled out as an American victory, as if it is the miracle cure which will bring peace by magic. They claim that democracy will be a sort of final solution bringing peace and somehow not specified, magically disolve all anti-zionist and anti-american sentiments.
The truth is that if the Arab people were to vote right now to see if they were pro or anti Israeli or American policy,the vast majority would be anti. And that is Bush's biggest defeat. As long as he can pass the blame of the middle east problems and terrorism onto a few dictators,all was well. All one had to do was overthrow the dictators, and all would be fine.
The USA is only 5% of the world population and they dominate the whole world and have militaries in well over 50 countries. It is not possible for 5% of the world population to bring democracy to 95%!
And while I really think this is the best country on the planet, this is exactly why I think Bush needs to be replaced immediately. His comments 2 years ago that "God told me to strike at Saddam" serves only as further proof that he is a fanatic. The old testament's "Eye for an eye" was taught to be wrong by Jesus and was replaced by "Love your enemy". George Bush, who claims to read from the bible every morning, somehow missed this most famous message of Jesus and if he really followed Jesus, would lead the world to peace instead of war.

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Please find ONE occurance of W claiming he is doing "the will of God". You are not honest.

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I beg to differ Bib, Bush told Israel's Haaretz news this , and it was made a book by Justin A. Frank, MD called "Bush on the Couch"

Religion MUST be kept seperate from the state. The founding fathers knew this and so created our democratic government in such a way. The problem with government and religion intertwining is that it tends to draw religious extremists to positions of power. As such, although I am a Christian, it makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable when my leaders claim to be doing the Will Of God. When government and religion become one we do not have democracy, we have a theocracy, which shortly becomes a totalitarian state. Men in power tend to want to keep that power, and if "God says for them to stay in power" who is to stop them? Very frightening to think about.

Colin Powell, February 24, 2001:" [Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So, in effect, our policies have strenghtened the security of the neighbors of Iraq."

Condoleeza Rice, July 2001: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

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The Downing Street Memo. July 23, 2002: There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the facts were being fixed around the policy.

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That says it all. Everyone in this administration has lied to us about this bloodbath, or war if you wanna call it. Here's more proof of Bush and his cronies lying -www.whatreallyhappened.com/WMDlies.html

The only advice I have is for you guys to start listening to Limbaugh. He backs up what he says with references so you can check up on his claims.

The only advice I have is for you guys to start listening to Limbaugh. He backs up what he says with references so you can check up on his claims.

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You got to be joking? Rush Limbaugh is so far on the right, he makes Joe scarbourogh seem like a moderate. He peddeles his right-wing political mumbo jumbo so often it makes me sick, not to mention he made a racial comment (on the air no less) towards Eagles quarterback Donovan Mcnabb.

Is it just me?
every time he goes off on a rampage, spouting off about the "Evil Doers" I expect him to don a cape and fly off the stage!
it's like watching a cartoon!
Now if someone would jsut drop an anvil on him we'd be all set!

His comment about Donovan Mcnabb was taken out of context and blown up for media frenzy. His point was that people like to see people from disadvantaged backgorund do well, not that black people aren't good quarterbacks.

If you actually listen to what Limbaugh talks about and follow up on what he says, you will be hard pressed to discredit his claims. I challenge anyone to listen to him for two weeks and follow up on what he says.

Is it just me?
every time he goes off on a rampage, spouting off about the "Evil Doers" I expect him to don a cape and fly off the stage!
it's like watching a cartoon!
Now if someone would jsut drop an anvil on him we'd be all set!

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Now that is some funny stuff, man!

I bet a lot of people are going to start chiming in with negative comments about Limbaugh. That's just fine, but try to be more specific than:

guy: 'Limbaugh sucks...'
guy2: 'Why does he suck?'
guy: 'I don't know, he just sucks...because I heard he sucks'

Everyone, besides BIB, seems to be forgetting that congress voted to go to war based on the same info Bush had, and nobody is offering any real insight on what should be done to improve our situation. We should do more than just list things that suck and point at people.