smitty2590;718965 said:
Exactly I completely agree. All I was trying to get at from all that is there is no age to say exact because everyone is different for the op asking this if he has to ask I'd say hold off. You'll know when you and your child are ready for that conversation. I completely agree with dld about the relationship aspect of this question. Me and my father are super close and I can say and tell him anything and that is what's needed for this.

This is an old post lol but it just helps create more discussion
 
kyomoto;718919 said:
Pretty much. It's when the parent himself or herself believes he is mature enough for this type of concept.

Not really. It is not so much that they reach an age and they are ready but more that they are suffering and come to you for advice. Many men, may out of self-insecurity, push their child into PE. This, in itself, will cause more damage than if you did nothing at all. Some children will never want or need this and this needs to be respected. This is why I have said that the relationship needs to be very close in order to have the trust necessary. Maturity does not become a point when a son is introduced to PE, it is when they have a need for it.
 
doublelongdaddy;719001 said:
Not really. It is not so much that they reach an age and they are ready but more that they are suffering and come to you for advice. Many men, may out of self-insecurity, push their child into PE. This, in itself, will cause more damage than if you did nothing at all. Some children will never want or need this and this needs to be respected. This is why I have said that the relationship needs to be very close in order to have the trust necessary. Maturity does not become a point when a son is introduced to PE, it is when they have a need for it.

Dld is for sure a very wise man. Great words of wisdom there bro.
 
doublelongdaddy;719001 said:
Not really. It is not so much that they reach an age and they are ready but more that they are suffering and come to you for advice. Many men, may out of self-insecurity, push their child into PE. This, in itself, will cause more damage than if you did nothing at all. Some children will never want or need this and this needs to be respected. This is why I have said that the relationship needs to be very close in order to have the trust necessary. Maturity does not become a point when a son is introduced to PE, it is when they have a need for it.

I believe it is necessary to have maturity. You can teach your son when he needs it but may be immature about it mentally thus not preparing himself for a true love devotion rather just having sex because its fun as fuck with no good intention but selfishness.
 
doublelongdaddy;719001 said:
Not really. It is not so much that they reach an age and they are ready but more that they are suffering and come to you for advice. Many men, may out of self-insecurity, push their child into PE. This, in itself, will cause more damage than if you did nothing at all. Some children will never want or need this and this needs to be respected. This is why I have said that the relationship needs to be very close in order to have the trust necessary. Maturity does not become a point when a son is introduced to PE, it is when they have a need for it.

Wise words. How do you think is the best way to bring up the subject of PE?
 
A teen will search the Internet for pe on their own. But there has to be a way to let them know that they shouldn't hesitate to ask you for money for some pe equipment. Because alot of kids get depressed when they don't have money to buy the pe equipment that they can use.
 
Disco Dave;719455 said:
A teen will search the Internet for pe on their own. But there has to be a way to let them know that they shouldn't hesitate to ask you for money for some pe equipment. Because alot of kids get depressed when they don't have money to buy the pe equipment that they can use.

When you were younger and wanted to buy something really important, what did you do? I know I did anything/everything I could, odd-jobs, mowing lawns, whatever if it was an item I absolutely had to have. If it was completely out of my reach, I'd ask for Christmas and Birthday 'combined'. Kids these days are given everything without having the sense of earning anything...if they want it bad enough, they'll be resourceful...plus it will have more value since they worked for it
 
Big Schwanz Acht;719463 said:
When you were younger and wanted to buy something really important, what did you do? I know I did anything/everything I could, odd-jobs, mowing lawns, whatever if it was an item I absolutely had to have. If it was completely out of my reach, I'd ask for Christmas and Birthday 'combined'. Kids these days are given everything without having the sense of earning anything...if they want it bad enough, they'll be resourceful...plus it will have more value since they worked for it

If my kid needs a cheap car to get on his feet and make things happen for himself, then I would help instead of forcing him to take the long route while giving up hope or doing something stupid to get the money.

So I see no reason for not helping him get some basic pe equipment now and let him focus more on his mission instead of scrambling for months trying to scrape and save. Plus you could direct him to the good equipment to avoid more problems later on.

But the rest is on him after that.
 
Disco Dave;719455 said:
A teen will search the Internet for pe on their own. But there has to be a way to let them know that they shouldn't hesitate to ask you for money for some pe equipment. Because alot of kids get depressed when they don't have money to buy the pe equipment that they can use.

If the relationship is strong and trusting enough they will search you out before the internet. But even if they do search the internet, all roads eventually lead to the Brotherhood. I bet there are Father and Sons on here who don't even realize it. As far as equipment costs and how they can attain this, it is called a part time job :)
 
Big Schwanz Acht;719272 said:
Let them bring the subject up to you

How can they bring it up to you if they don't know about it? I guess you would have to create the relationship where your son is comfortable bringing these types of things to you.
 
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higherone;720082 said:
How can they bring it up to you if they don't know about it? I guess you would have to create the relationship where your son is comfortable bringing these types of things to you.

That is what needs to happen. My Son will come to me with everything as I do with Him.
 
higherone;720426 said:
We should all strive for that kind of relationship with our sons.

Indeed! My Son is my best friend, my spiritual advisor, the one I go to when things turn out bad, I rely on Him with the same way He relies on me. We share everything with each other and there is no topic of taboo, just pure love and acceptance.
 
Bottom line. I started this thread and I will now make a statement to those whom think that this is some pedo thread.

First and foremost. Everyone on this site is here because they are searching for something.

Now your searches are at the right place where you get to congregate with other searchers whom are searching for the same thing.

So why should a father not have the same pe relationship with his son that we all have here with other members?

By the way. I am sure that 14 year old males visit this site as well.

Now most of us older gents wished we started pe earlier in our lives.

So let's not tell the young ones on this site that its creepy to have their dads discuss pe with them at the 15 year old range.

Especially since the government will talk your son to fight in Iraq at the age of 17 - 18 years old.
 
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We have a fourteen yr old you are correct he's been identified, but I won't mention names (cough) Kay (cough) why(cough) would I do that? I'll give a clue his favorite food is Italian because he's extra virgin
 
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templnite;721563 said:
We have a fourteen yr old you are correct he's been identified

I am not here to identify anyone on here since this site should always be anonymous.

Because how would you feel if a person blasted you for looking at pe methods and equipment.

So hopefully this site still keeps people identity safe.

Because I don't need to know anyones real identity
 
Anonymous is here too main they hacking me up. And my friends have seen my Bathmats theyll occasionally tease when we get drunk like "yeah but where the pump though" not in front of anyone relevant because we have a small tight knit circle . its fine because we usually just enjoy the simple things in lif like living ,breathing and talking shit about anything and everything
 
templnite;721571 said:
Anonymous is here too main they hacking me up. And my friends have seen my Bathmats theyll occasionally tease when we get drunk like "yeah but where the pump though" not in front of anyone relevant because we have a small tight knit circle . its fine because we usually just enjoy the simple things in lif like living ,breathing and talking shit about anything and everything

So are you saying that the hacking group anonymous is hacking here instead of hacking the lottery system for million dollar payouts?

Dld please help rectify the posters statement. Thanks.
 
acromegaly;721648 said:
I am disco daves 14 yr old son

Junior. Didn't I tell you to stay off [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] until after you do the dishes. Lol
 
I'm glad we can get [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words] back on track to being the positive community is meant to be.
 
stillwantmore2;721729 said:
I'm glad we can get [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words] back on track to being the positive community is meant to be.

Damn right! (Imagine Isaac Hayes -voice here ;-) )

On the topic, I don't have a son to tell these PE related things. But overall, I feel that most guys, at quite young age might become interested about this PE topic. Depends quite a lot from the upbringing I would assume, if sex isn't a big taboo or if it is, I feel that would correlate strongly on how interest a child / teenager could be.
Nowadays I feel that sexual related stuff comes to play in a very young age; innocence is gone far too early I think. Of course by a long stretch kids have usually been interested about their bodies and genitalia, but things getting to the more "adult" side happens so early in today's world.
I'm not that old-fashioned, but world is pushing a bit too hard on the whole growing up process. Just my viewpoint.

Anyhow, if I had a son, I'd probably let him know around 16-18 years of age, more likely closer to 18th birthday. Although, the human nature is curious and probably he might had found about this stuff way earlier already!
That's what in a way I would rely on, partially at least. Of course there are books about sex for teenagers, which can be good. Although a straight honest talk is always the better thing, but often times it can be embarrassing for the adult and the kid I guess. (Awkward might be more suitable word. Really depends about the relationship between you and your son I think.)

Maybe if one is to give a book about sexual related things, an idea would be write [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words]'s forum address on the inside page, with a short note. Something encouraging, as in "I know you're healthy and fine, but if you're ever in doubt or want to learn, the Brotherhood can help in many ways." And of course that you're there for him.
Probably sounds so naive and ideological, as I don't have experience about this in real world that much. I read and learned things by myself from Internet and books. Lots of good stuff too, like many things from [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] and several "guide" books.
 
Thanks Still for informing me and sadly, my 70 x70 forgivenesses have expired :)
 
Big Schwanz Acht;721757 said:
forgiveness, just like love has no bounds or expiration dates

I was joking, hence the smiling face: I forgive him but the rules are the rules.
 
I'd say 11/12/13 is a good age to start, depending on the physical and emotional state of the boy. Like having a beer, watching a match or playing sports, PE is better when father and son do it together.
 
Maybe in his teen years 16 or soon . Any sooner than that could be weird I wouldn't want my kid to caught up on pe
 
I started at 33 years old, 17 years later still involved and I am going to be 51 in march.
 
Disco Dave;594848 said:
Some fathers have their sons playing tackle football at 7 years old. So lets say that at birth you realize that your son may need PE. What Age Should You Start Your Son On PE And How Should You Go About It ? This is a SERIOUS QUESTION.

It depends on how mature the mind of my son is before I can tell him. But one thing I have noticed on this forum is that most people who have gained so much did so from the age of 30. The younger you are the more likely you are to quit PE. Just my opinion though.
 
huge-girth;760669 said:
It depends on how mature the mind of my son is before I can tell him. But one thing I have noticed on this forum is that most people who have gained so much did so from the age of 30. The younger you are the more likely you are to quit PE. Just my opinion though.

Most younger men lack the concentration and focus but the ones that can remain focused make insane gains. Some men here started at 18 and is still here today in their 30's.
 
doublelongdaddy;760692 said:
Most younger men lack the concentration and focus but the ones that can remain focused make insane gains. Some men here started at 18 and is still here today in their 30's.

Those men are indeed very lucky.
 
My Son always knew about PE as He was always with me when I was working on the forums. Although He knows PE and how it works He has no interest in getting any larger.
 
doublelongdaddy;760824 said:
My Son always knew about PE as He was always with me when I was working on the forums. Although He knows PE and how it works He has no interest in getting any larger.

He might pick interest later you never can tell what tomorrow has in stock.
 
huge-girth;760925 said:
He might pick interest later you never can tell what tomorrow has in stock.

True, but I doubt it, He seems very content and He has known about PE since He was 12.
 
doublelongdaddy;761804 said:
He will take my place when I retire, if I ever retire.

Okay now I understood what you said on another thread. Your son will take over the forum when you retire
 
huge-girth;761881 said:
Okay now I understood what you said on another thread. Your son will take over the forum when you retire

My Son owns the forum at this point. I stopped taking a salary a long time ago. I live off of my SS and when I need money my family and the Brotherhood help. I always have my daily bread and this makes me very happy.
 
doublelongdaddy;761940 said:
My Son owns the forum at this point. I stopped taking a salary a long time ago. I live off of my SS and when I need money my family and the Brotherhood help. I always have my daily bread and this makes me very happy.

You are doing great Boss, you have a big heart.
 
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