truant;459733 said:
Hey, I was trying DLD's expressive stretch and may have found something cool. In DLD's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] thread he explained how to do expressive stretching with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words]. Here's a quote from the thread...

"With the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] or the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PowerAssist[/words] you can do Expressive stretching your penis and balls through the loop and push heavily against the body. From here, using both hands, you can stretch the expressed penis."

After messing around with this stretch I found a simple modification that rocked my socks off, here's the steps.

1. Put your penis and balls through the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words], then put on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] at the base of the penis.
2. Place the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] under your legs to gain leverage and close your legs.
3. Lean back and pull the loop of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] upward using two hands. Or you can push the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] downward with one hand while your pulling up from the loop with the other.

That's it, you can do this sitting or standing. While doing this I was feeling that intense feeling of when you get a good stretch. I actually felt that tingly sensation at the the base of the penis which is a shore sign that the internal penis was targeted. I don't know if this has been done before or if DLD already came up with it. If so than I apologize ahead of time for taking credit. Thank you DLD, without your expressive stretching advice I would have never known about this.

Now that sounds amazing! I wish I had a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] in hand, I would try now (in the starbucks bathroom):) I definitely will try tonight, thanks for the exercise!
 
Why thank you DLD, let me know how it turns out. I want to note that you don't have to put your balls through the loop to get a good stretch. During the winter it's hard because the balls shrink and it may become painful. Also you can pull the handles instead of the loop to get a powerful stretch.
 
Hey, I may have found another internal stretch that feels even more powerful than the other one I was describing earlier. Here's the steps

1. Put penis through the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] loop and attach [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] below the glans like usual.
2. Bring the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] under your legs, exactly like your doing down and outs.
3. Grab the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] and bring it straight upwards so it rests on your quads.
4. Now from here you can grab the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] handles and pull downwards while the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] is resting on your quads for leverage. You will see the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] loop forcing down the base of the penis.

This is it, I felt it to be more powerful than the other internal stretch cause your pulling the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] handles straight down. I like to do both stretches after a set of bundled [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] stretching. It's great b/c you can just bring the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] down under your legs right after you finish the other stretch. Any questions let me know.
 
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This thread is gold! I'm new to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] and the practice of stretching with the balls through the loop is really hitting the target.
 
toucHydromaxyjunk;526945 said:
This thread is gold! I'm new to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] and the practice of stretching with the balls through the loop is really hitting the target.

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PowerAssist[/words] is the best replacement for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words], until it is ready. I will also be offering a buy-back program to bring even greater discounts to it's release, and all the old equipment will be repurposed and used as donations to the less fortunate.
 
All I have is a Bib. Has anyone used a Bib low on the shaft for this expressive stretching? I know from his forum, Bib seems to find base hanging worthless.

Some idiot at TP who is a moderator also dismisses the theory of inner penis, calling it "unsubstantiated hypothesis." Sorry if I've broken rules here - let me know if I have and I'll correct my actions in future posts.

So if anyone has any opinions on the Bib for low shaft hanging, I'd love to hear it.
 
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?
 
longstretch;571969 said:
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?
If I remember correctly, yes - it was skin stretch. I know that as the Bib gets to the base, it gets harder to grasp the internals. I also worry about turkey neck on this. Looks like I'll be pretending like I have a 3 inch penis in order to place this thing. Wish me luck and I'll post back my experience.

If the inner penis theory holds true, which I believe it does, and if I can properly grasp them with the Bib, this should help get more out. I think the theory is correct about grabbing closer to the base and being able to pull out more IP.
 
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longstretch;571969 said:
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?

Base hanging is brilliant! It embodies the very heart of Expressive Stretching. It may not effect shaft gains but it certainly stretches the internal penis we so desperately want to expose. Mandingo has a highly trained and exposed base where he has pulled forward much of his internal penis to become part of his shaft. It is very evident with Mandingo as the internal penis that was exposed is a bit thicker than the rest of his shaft. Now, this can be avoided and expressed equally using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] as the stretches can be directed in rolls, twists and bundles that train ALL areas of the base and the internal components.

Expressive Stretching should not embody the entire workout, it should be a part of the workout. Other stretching is needed to make gains come with greatest speed. This is why, even in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] Routine, which is the newest of the new as far as my routines go, Basic Stretching still plays a very big role. In basic stretching we are hitting all angles allowing for gains to come from many places, that if went un-stretched would leave the gain unclaimed. I am a very big believer in covering all my bases and not leaving any area uncharted. This is, again, why [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] draws exercise and method from so many areas. For me, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] is the biggest "just in case" routine in the world! It leaves no stone unturned and it will allow every man, who practices it, to make the fastest possible gains with the best possible healing, without ignoring penile health. Some may say that it is overkill but I disagree. I believe that the penis needs to be trained in very specific areas (as outlined in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]) in order to develop with the greatest expedience.

Limiting ourselves by theory or conjecture in silly and debilitating. A good example of such would be LOT theory and how it claims that no ligamental gains can be made when a certain measurement of LOT (loss of tug back which is measured from 12:00 being a high LOT while 6:00 being a low LOT) is reached. If the very original study is read it is plain to see that I was a VERY BIG ANOMALY according to LOT. I was the one who had a LOT that ligamental stretching determined would not benefit me but, low and behold, the ligament stretching I continued to practice brought much more length, MUCH MORE. One simple exercise in basic stretching completely eliminates any accuracy from LOT theory, Behind the Cheeks Stretching, in this stretch position any man with any LOT measurement can certainly make even greater ligament gains through stretching BTC. If 6:00 is the lowest LOT measurement, look at Behind the Cheeks as a 11:00 measurement in the other direction!

I think that limiting anyone with theory that advocates avoiding any of the necessary parts of penis enlargement is a complete disability. As I said and have said since the beginning, "do it all, just in case"
 
longstretch;571969 said:
I don't have a Bib but I could see where it would work similar to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. If you have a Bib try it out and let us know what you think. Also just out of curiosity why did Bib say base hanging was worthless? Does he think its too much skin stretch?

Base hanging is brilliant! It embodies the very heart of Expressive Stretching. It may not effect shaft gains but it certainly stretches the internal penis we so desperately want to expose. Mandingo has a highly trained and exposed base where he has pulled forward much of his internal penis to become part of his shaft. It is very evident with Mandingo as the internal penis that was exposed is a bit thicker than the rest of his shaft. Now, this can be avoided and expressed equally using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] as the stretches can be directed in rolls, twists and bundles that train ALL areas of the base and the internal components.

Expressive Stretching should not embody the entire workout, it should be a part of the workout. Other stretching is needed to make gains come with greatest speed. This is why, even in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] Routine, which is the newest of the new as far as my routines go, Basic Stretching still plays a very big role. In basic stretching we are hitting all angles allowing for gains to come from many places, that if went un-stretched would leave the gain unclaimed. I am a very big believer in covering all my bases and not leaving any area uncharted. This is, again, why [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] draws exercise and method from so many areas. For me, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] is the biggest "just in case" routine in the world! It leaves no stone unturned and it will allow every man, who practices it, to make the fastest possible gains with the best possible healing, without ignoring penile health. Some may say that it is overkill but I disagree. I believe that the penis needs to be trained in very specific areas (as outlined in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]) in order to develop with the greatest expedience.

Limiting ourselves by theory or conjecture in silly and debilitating. A good example of such would be LOT theory and how it claims that no ligamental gains can be made when a certain measurement of LOT (loss of tug back which is measured from 12:00 being a high LOT while 6:00 being a low LOT) is reached. If the very original study is read it is plain to see that I was a VERY BIG ANOMALY according to LOT. I was the one who had a LOT that ligamental stretching determined would not benefit me but, low and behold, the ligament stretching I continued to practice brought much more length, MUCH MORE. One simple exercise in basic stretching completely eliminates any accuracy from LOT theory, Behind the Cheeks Stretching, in this stretch position any man with any LOT measurement can certainly make even greater ligament gains through stretching BTC. If 6:00 is the lowest LOT measurement, look at Behind the Cheeks as a 11:00 measurement in the other direction!

I think that limiting anyone with theory that advocates avoiding any of the necessary parts of penis enlargement is a complete disability. As I said and have said since the beginning, "do it all, just in case"
 
Sounds good DLD! I likenthenlogic behind the Expressive; to me it makes sense. Here was Bib's reply to me: "Attaching at the base, you are much more likely to only stress and stretch skin. Further, if you grasp the internals properly, you will stress less of the tunica. There are no positive reasons to do it, that I know of."

As I type, my weights are hanging closer to my base than I have ever done. As for skin stretch, I wrapped up really good, so I would hope to avoid excessive skin stretch. I can't say I really feel it pulling IP, but I'm going to give it at least a few weeks to a month before formulating an opinion.

About halfway through, I moved the attachment point closer to the base and the skin stretch was bad. So I moved it up to the original place, which is roughly an inch between the base and the circ scar, right around the middle. I'm experiencing most stronger lig pull rather than IP stretch.
 
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I still want to know what you guys are considering the extreme base? The bottom of the shaft where it meets the scrotum? This is where I've been grabbing for the expressive stretching and slow squash jelqing....but I'm not sure if you mean that or even further down, underneath the scrotum where the scrotum meets the pelvic bone. I've seen people talk about this too, and doing "under scrotum jelqs".....so, is the extreme base the base of the shaft or under the scrotum? Perhaps both?
 
TheKing1;572025 said:
I still want to know what you guys are considering the extreme base? The bottom of the shaft where it meets the scrotum? This is where I've been grabbing for the expressive stretching and slow squash jelqing....but I'm not sure if you mean that or even further down, underneath the scrotum where the scrotum meets the pelvic bone. I've seen people talk about this too, and doing "under scrotum jelqs".....so, is the extreme base the base of the shaft or under the scrotum? Perhaps both?
This is all new to me so I have no clue. I find it extremely hard to grab my penis near the base, though.
 
spyoung;572031 said:
This is all new to me so I have no clue. I find it extremely hard to grab my penis near the base, though.
How so? The base as in, right where the shaft meets the scrotum or...? Wrapping my hand at the base as in where my scrotum meets the pelvic bone was hard at first and still am trying to figure out how to jelq that area
 
The extreme base will be as close to the pubic bone as you can grip. I've seen most guys talk about "base stretching" as griping an inch from the base. "The Total Package Stretch" is where you grip around the penis and scrotum. I guess you could jelq below the scrotum, what I refer to as my taint (because it taint my balls and it taint my asshole... lame joke but its my lame joke), but I've never done it so I don't know of any benefit.
 
longstretch;572098 said:
The extreme base will be as close to the pubic bone as you can grip. I've seen most guys talk about "base stretching" as griping an inch from the base. "The Total Package Stretch" is where you grip around the penis and scrotum. I guess you could jelq below the scrotum, what I refer to as my taint (because it taint my balls and it taint my asshole... lame joke but its my lame joke), but I've never done it so I don't know of any benefit.

Total Package Stretch is the JOINT, I can't believe I did not include these in the Expressive portion of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]! Thanks for the reminder and now I will write them in....so happy about this, I invented the stretch, forgot about it and now KNOW it will be highly influential in gains via Expression.
 
longstretch;572098 said:
The extreme base will be as close to the pubic bone as you can grip. I've seen most guys talk about "base stretching" as griping an inch from the base. "The Total Package Stretch" is where you grip around the penis and scrotum. I guess you could jelq below the scrotum, what I refer to as my taint (because it taint my balls and it taint my asshole... lame joke but its my lame joke), but I've never done it so I don't know of any benefit.

Total Package Stretch is the JOINT, I can't believe I did not include these in the Expressive portion of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words]! Thanks for the reminder and now I will write them in....so happy about this, I invented the stretch, forgot about it and now KNOW it will be highly influential in gains via Expression.
 
I am not sure if I understood this. You grip with both your hands the base of the penis,balls included and then you pull/stretch outwards?
 
DLD no problem man. It was either this thread itself or perhaps another about expressive stretching that made me remember it. So its come full circle I guess

IcePackx Yes for the Total Package Stretch you do. I wouldn't recommend it for beginners because its powerful and one would know how and what a stretch should and shouldn't feel like. It also requires a good bit more baby powder for me
 
dickerschwanz;590889 said:
These can have a rather good hit on the EQ right?

Did variations of expressive stretching today and my dick hangs good but rather dead ;)

Expressive Stretching, although I invented it a while back, will become the most relevant stretching one can do to increase length.
 
doublelongdaddy;590890 said:
Expressive Stretching, although I invented it a while back, will become the most relevant stretching one can do to increase length.

I know, I just discovered it. Great stuff. Its very tough on the dick I think. I might do it every 2nd day in my routine.
 
dickerschwanz;590910 said:
I know, I just discovered it. Great stuff. Its very tough on the dick I think. I might do it every 2nd day in my routine.

It takes some getting used to but soon you can do some pretty serious sessions daily. It is my precursor to masturbation, if I get a good session in I will allow myself to get off:)
 
Doing expressive stretching with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], it's normal to feel skin stretch at the base right? Also, is it effective to do bundled expressive stretching?
 
Halp;620005 said:
Doing expressive stretching with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], it's normal to feel skin stretch at the base right? Also, is it effective to do bundled expressive stretching?

yes it is normal. i feel that skin stretch as well. you are also feeling the inner lig stretch right? the inner lig stretch is much more subtle then the skin stretch most feel.

hmmm i don't know for certain if it is effective to do expressive bundle stretches b/c i have never seen that mentioned or thought of it myself my first thought would be no. i think not b/c the point of bundle stretches is to targer the tunica. if you are attached at the base to hit the inner ligs you will not get any tunica stretching benefit from doing a bundled stretch. also you will not twist the inner penis much even though i wouldn't think twisting the inner ligs would be good. does that seem like it makes sense to you as to why expressive bundled stretches aren't necessary? I am looking forwrd to hearing DLD's opinion on it
 
youknowme123321;620006 said:
yes it is normal. i feel that skin stretch as well. you are also feeling the inner lig stretch right? the inner lig stretch is much more subtle then the skin stretch most feel.

hmmm i don't know for certain if it is effective to do expressive bundle stretches b/c i have never seen that mentioned or thought of it myself my first thought would be no. i think not b/c the point of bundle stretches is to targer the tunica. if you are attached at the base to hit the inner ligs you will not get any tunica stretching benefit from doing a bundled stretch. also you will not twist the inner penis much even though i wouldn't think twisting the inner ligs would be good. does that seem like it makes sense to you as to why expressive bundled stretches aren't necessary? I am looking forwrd to hearing DLD's opinion on it

Doing expressive stretches bundled would be just fine but it may not leave a lot of room to bundle. But Youknowme is correct, bundled stretching is mainly used to target the tunica.
 
ok id like to give people my view on streching the interal penis and how i see it . The internal penis is just penis matter that can be added to your current penis got it get it good :) lol this means more girth or length depening on what you decide to do with this nmew penis matter but why not go for both:)
 
samuriajack;625421 said:
ok id like to give people my view on streching the interal penis and how i see it . The internal penis is just penis matter that can be added to your current penis got it get it good :) lol this means more girth or length depening on what you decide to do with this nmew penis matter but why not go for both:)

Ever since I was a child I always wondered how all that penis inside of me could be brought out. Amazingly years after I found the way. I think Expressive Stretching was one of my greatest contributions to PE.
 
shortdick;625681 said:
hahaha funny, by the way how many inches can the average man can have of "inner penis"?

I estimated mine to be about 9" of internal penis. It is a good question and I would like to hear other men's internal length.
 
samuriajack;625696 said:
well you could allways speak to your inner"penis" and ask more of it lol

lol, wouldn't that be a wonderful thing!
 
i began this recently and i feel this is way way better than stretching normally. By applying force and seeing the stretch i can feel it i will definitely gain from this exercise.
But the exposed penis is thick and when the internal penis comes out , wont it be disproportionate compared to the external thick penis??
 
pogzee;626173 said:
i began this recently and i feel this is way way better than stretching normally. By applying force and seeing the stretch i can feel it i will definitely gain from this exercise.
But the exposed penis is thick and when the internal penis comes out , wont it be disproportionate compared to the external thick penis??

Girth will catch up as long as you are doing girth exercises.
 
Another thing that I should share about: BIB once told me in an email (paraphrasing) ‘…release the moorings to let the ship out of the harbor…’. Ligs are the moorings and “inner penis” is the ship. I understand the geometrical and mechanical constraints associated with the concept of “releasing the inner penis”…however, I am able to get a single, substantial lig pop every day…and here’s the rather simple rationale for continuing to exercise that daily lig pop: it’s more likely that a lig pop helps with length gains than it is that it hinders them. Even if the effect is completely neutral, for the 5 seconds that it takes to generate that daily lig pop, it’s costing me very little time.

Here’s what I do: I call it the Sumo Stretch: grasp shaft in overhand grip with both hands; I place left web of hand between thumb and pointing finger over the dorsal surface of the shaft as close to the base as possible; right hand grasps outboard of left hand, also overhand. Then I squat like a sumo wrestler does prior to the start of a match, while simultaneously pressing down hard with left hand and out and down with right hand. The I quickly (or sometimes a bit slower) stand up while maintaining or even increasing hand applied stress to the shaft. With rare exceptions, I get a strong lig pop every day with this stretch…like 95 out of 100 times.


This goes with the tips still gave us about girth work. That wen you squat, and place your grip all the way down then get up you'll receive a big uli effect from your leg power
 
BigBeardBig;681084 said:
Its what templnite quoted above, from BIB. Grab a dick at base, squad like sumo warrior and get up = lig pop

Alright, I see.
 
I tried it, but very cautiously since I've never received a lig pop. I can see how this stretch will give you a pop it is pulling virtually only ligs, and very forcefully
 
templnite;681508 said:
I tried it, but very cautiously since I've never received a lig pop. I can see how this stretch will give you a pop it is pulling virtually only ligs, and very forcefully

I still don't get them like this, the only time is when I am erect and I push against my erection angle.
 
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