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Bib said:>Why i have to stretch my penis out to do this test<
You do not.
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But in a other posting you said you have to pull out.
Bib said:Any guy can pull straight out, palpate and find the bottom of the pubic bone with his middle finger, and then put his thumb on the top of the shaft where it exits the skin.
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Im confused now,but perhaps im understanding it wrong.
Bib,
I understand what you are talking about, in stretching the ligs to allow the inner penis to express. I am wondering if you experienced changes in your testicles? It would seem that the inner penis is below the sack. If everything were suddenly stretched out, wouldn't the ball sack come out as well? I suppose that by gradual stretching over time, more skin is stretched and the testicles can keep sliding down to the base of the shaft.
One more question, as the inner penis is expressed by lig stretching, wouldn't the attachment point of the ligs to the penis be pulled out as well - this point which was inside the body, is now pulled out into the exterorior shaft? Could this be why some of the guys such as Stillwantmore and others who have posted pics, look like the base of the penis is a "V"? I'm picturing the ligs being pulled out, thus adding girth to the base as well as length.
My bib hanger has been on the shelf for a long time, but I hope to finally have time to devote to hanging and I'm getting motivated to start up.
Thanks,
wesb
I understand what you are talking about, in stretching the ligs to allow the inner penis to express. I am wondering if you experienced changes in your testicles? It would seem that the inner penis is below the sack. If everything were suddenly stretched out, wouldn't the ball sack come out as well? I suppose that by gradual stretching over time, more skin is stretched and the testicles can keep sliding down to the base of the shaft.
One more question, as the inner penis is expressed by lig stretching, wouldn't the attachment point of the ligs to the penis be pulled out as well - this point which was inside the body, is now pulled out into the exterorior shaft? Could this be why some of the guys such as Stillwantmore and others who have posted pics, look like the base of the penis is a "V"? I'm picturing the ligs being pulled out, thus adding girth to the base as well as length.
My bib hanger has been on the shelf for a long time, but I hope to finally have time to devote to hanging and I'm getting motivated to start up.
Thanks,
wesb
dex,
>But in a other posting you said you have to pull out.<
Pulling out may help you keep track of the shaft as you follow it down, the shaft being tense rather than flopping. However, as long as you can feel the shaft as you palpate down to the bottom of the pubic bone, that is all you need.
wesb,
>I understand what you are talking about, in stretching the ligs to allow the inner penis to express. I am wondering if you experienced changes in your testicles? It would seem that the inner penis is below the sack. If everything were suddenly stretched out, wouldn't the ball sack come out as well?<
Damn good questions. I hope I can do justice to them. There are a few things that determine what happens to the scotum and testicles. First is the skin. Most guys find that they need to do some scrotum wrapping to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and get rid of "turkey neck". When the ligs are stretched, and the shaft pulled down, the top shaft skin will be stretched, but the bottom shaft skin will not be stretched so much. This is because during the stress, the scrotum loans skin to the bottom shaft.
Interesting point: The midline of the scrotum is internally connected to the fundiform ligament, which goes under the shaft at the base. When you stretch or hang at the lower angles, this ligament is also stretched, and therefore the midline of the scrotum also is lowered. So generally, you do not have to worry about hanging causing the testicles to ride up.
But as I wrote above, you may need to wrap to stretch the scrotal skin on the sides, and the bottom shaft skin. If you hang at the upper angles while scrotum wrapped, all of this skin should stretch fairly rapidly.
>One more question, as the inner penis is expressed by lig stretching, wouldn't the attachment point of the ligs to the penis be pulled out as well - this point which was inside the body, is now pulled out into the exterorior shaft?<
You are correct. The effective attachment points, both on the shaft and pubic bone, no longer are 'valid'.
>Could this be why some of the guys such as Stillwantmore and others who have posted pics, look like the base of the penis is a "V"?<
Yes. Some guys refer to this as tree roots.
>I'm picturing the ligs being pulled out, thus adding girth to the base as well as length.<
For some guys, this could be a girth addition. But also, for many if not most guys, there is an actual increase in shaft base girth.
>My bib hanger has been on the shelf for a long time, but I hope to finally have time to devote to hanging and I'm getting motivated to start up.<
Get busy. Multi-task. If you are sitting around alone, you should be hanging.
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>But in a other posting you said you have to pull out.<
Pulling out may help you keep track of the shaft as you follow it down, the shaft being tense rather than flopping. However, as long as you can feel the shaft as you palpate down to the bottom of the pubic bone, that is all you need.
wesb,
>I understand what you are talking about, in stretching the ligs to allow the inner penis to express. I am wondering if you experienced changes in your testicles? It would seem that the inner penis is below the sack. If everything were suddenly stretched out, wouldn't the ball sack come out as well?<
Damn good questions. I hope I can do justice to them. There are a few things that determine what happens to the scotum and testicles. First is the skin. Most guys find that they need to do some scrotum wrapping to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and get rid of "turkey neck". When the ligs are stretched, and the shaft pulled down, the top shaft skin will be stretched, but the bottom shaft skin will not be stretched so much. This is because during the stress, the scrotum loans skin to the bottom shaft.
Interesting point: The midline of the scrotum is internally connected to the fundiform ligament, which goes under the shaft at the base. When you stretch or hang at the lower angles, this ligament is also stretched, and therefore the midline of the scrotum also is lowered. So generally, you do not have to worry about hanging causing the testicles to ride up.
But as I wrote above, you may need to wrap to stretch the scrotal skin on the sides, and the bottom shaft skin. If you hang at the upper angles while scrotum wrapped, all of this skin should stretch fairly rapidly.
>One more question, as the inner penis is expressed by lig stretching, wouldn't the attachment point of the ligs to the penis be pulled out as well - this point which was inside the body, is now pulled out into the exterorior shaft?<
You are correct. The effective attachment points, both on the shaft and pubic bone, no longer are 'valid'.
>Could this be why some of the guys such as Stillwantmore and others who have posted pics, look like the base of the penis is a "V"?<
Yes. Some guys refer to this as tree roots.
>I'm picturing the ligs being pulled out, thus adding girth to the base as well as length.<
For some guys, this could be a girth addition. But also, for many if not most guys, there is an actual increase in shaft base girth.
>My bib hanger has been on the shelf for a long time, but I hope to finally have time to devote to hanging and I'm getting motivated to start up.<
Get busy. Multi-task. If you are sitting around alone, you should be hanging.
Bigger
Today i did the palpation test.
I hope i did it the right way.
Some questions and problems i figured out:
In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?
I figured out, that my penis has curve insight my body.I dont know how i can describe it.
I will describe it the way i feel it, when im doing this test in the standing position. I stretch straight out and put my forefinger on the side of my penis and then i palpate down to the inner shaft.Then suddenly the penis goes down it seems like a right angle,perhaps between 70 and 90 degrees(i have problems in guessing the right angle).And in this right angle the shaft goes down to the end of pubic bone.
My question is if this is normal. I also want to know how can measure this curve precisely.
In general i want to ask if anybody knows the average or a common distance from the skins exit point to the end of the pubic bone.
How deep can the pubic bone be?
Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?
I hope i did it the right way.
Some questions and problems i figured out:
In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?
I figured out, that my penis has curve insight my body.I dont know how i can describe it.
I will describe it the way i feel it, when im doing this test in the standing position. I stretch straight out and put my forefinger on the side of my penis and then i palpate down to the inner shaft.Then suddenly the penis goes down it seems like a right angle,perhaps between 70 and 90 degrees(i have problems in guessing the right angle).And in this right angle the shaft goes down to the end of pubic bone.
My question is if this is normal. I also want to know how can measure this curve precisely.
In general i want to ask if anybody knows the average or a common distance from the skins exit point to the end of the pubic bone.
How deep can the pubic bone be?
Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?
Bib said:I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test(1) to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point(2). Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point(3).
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Is test 2 and test 3 the same?Im asking because both tests use the words exit point and pubic bone.
dex,
>In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?<
I do not really know what you mean.
>I figured out, that my penis has curve insight my body.I dont know how i can describe it.<
The pubic bone is curved. The ligs hold the shaft to the pubic bone. Hence the curve.
>I will describe it the way i feel it, when im doing this test in the standing position. I stretch straight out and put my forefinger on the side of my penis and then i palpate down to the inner shaft.Then suddenly the penis goes down it seems like a right angle,perhaps between 70 and 90 degrees(i have problems in guessing the right angle).And in this right angle the shaft goes down to the end of pubic bone.<
That sounds like the normal curve of the shaft going under the pubic bone.
>My question is if this is normal. I also want to know how can measure this curve precisely.<
For guys with a substantial amount of penis from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point, there must be a substantial curve that you describe. I call it an S curve, because the penis must curve again when it exits the body. There are some drawings that I made in this section that explains how this all works.
There is no reason to measure the inner curve.
>In general i want to ask if anybody knows the average or a common distance from the skins exit point to the end of the pubic bone.
How deep can the pubic bone be?<
It can be very tall. I believe I have read as much or more than 8 cm. Plus, the ligs can hold the inner penis even further than the height of the pubic bone, on to the lower abdomen.
>Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?<
Yes, you can palpate down to the prostate gland, just in front of the anus.
>Is test 2 and test 3 the same?<
No, the 2nd test is by feel. The third test is by sight, using a picture.
>Im asking because both tests use the words exit point and pubic bone.<
Because those are the two points that give you an indiction of inner penis length.
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>In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?<
I do not really know what you mean.
>I figured out, that my penis has curve insight my body.I dont know how i can describe it.<
The pubic bone is curved. The ligs hold the shaft to the pubic bone. Hence the curve.
>I will describe it the way i feel it, when im doing this test in the standing position. I stretch straight out and put my forefinger on the side of my penis and then i palpate down to the inner shaft.Then suddenly the penis goes down it seems like a right angle,perhaps between 70 and 90 degrees(i have problems in guessing the right angle).And in this right angle the shaft goes down to the end of pubic bone.<
That sounds like the normal curve of the shaft going under the pubic bone.
>My question is if this is normal. I also want to know how can measure this curve precisely.<
For guys with a substantial amount of penis from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point, there must be a substantial curve that you describe. I call it an S curve, because the penis must curve again when it exits the body. There are some drawings that I made in this section that explains how this all works.
There is no reason to measure the inner curve.
>In general i want to ask if anybody knows the average or a common distance from the skins exit point to the end of the pubic bone.
How deep can the pubic bone be?<
It can be very tall. I believe I have read as much or more than 8 cm. Plus, the ligs can hold the inner penis even further than the height of the pubic bone, on to the lower abdomen.
>Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?<
Yes, you can palpate down to the prostate gland, just in front of the anus.
>Is test 2 and test 3 the same?<
No, the 2nd test is by feel. The third test is by sight, using a picture.
>Im asking because both tests use the words exit point and pubic bone.<
Because those are the two points that give you an indiction of inner penis length.
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Bib said:dex,
>In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?<
I do not really know what you mean.
I wanted to say that if my finger would be longer, i would be able to put my finger more inside the pubic bone.
Bib said:For guys with a substantial amount of penis from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point, there must be a substantial curve that you describe. I call it an S curve, because the penis must curve again when it exits the body. There are some drawings that I made in this section that explains how this all works.
I think i have one of this s curves.
Bib said:>Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?<
Yes, you can palpate down to the prostate gland, just in front of the anus.
Iis this really possible to get with your finger through the pubic bone to your anus? You need a very long finger for this.
Bib said:>This makes no sense to me. You said that you have 2.5 inches of inner shaft.
I think your LOT should be higher than,or?
Perhaps bib can help us to interpret this result.<
There are many variable in physiology. He may have a much steeper curve to his pubic bone, giving a lot of length from his exit point, but showing a lower LOT on his clock face. That is one of the reasons I thought of the other tests to try and determine the amount of potential from lig stretch.
So a steeper curve in the pubic bone can result in a not so high LOT?
Does it also mean, that a more horizontal curve in the pubic bone can lead to a higher LOT?
Another question:
Is it possible to have an high exit point, when your pubic bone is curved more horinzontal? Because a horizontal curve would mean, that the penis would automatically came out straight of the anus,hope you got me.
Has the anatomy of the pubic bone also effects on the palpation test?
How can you measure the form of a pubic bone, atually i do not really know what "steep" means. I think my pubic bone is more horizontal, because my pubic bone seems to be deep.
dex,
>So a steeper curve in the pubic bone can result in a not so high LOT?<
A more horizontal tilt to the pubic bone can result in a lower LOT.
>Does it also mean, that a more horizontal curve in the pubic bone can lead to a higher LOT?<
A more vertical pubic bone can lead to a higher LOT reading.
>Another question:
Is it possible to have an high exit point, when your pubic bone is curved more horinzontal?<
No, more vertical.
>Because a horizontal curve would mean, that the penis would automatically came out straight of the anus,hope you got me.<
If the pubic bone was tilted more horizontal, then it would be more likely that the shaft would appear to come out straight from the anus. A more vertical pubic bone, with the same lig attachment to the pubic bone, would appear to be a higher exit point.
>Has the anatomy of the pubic bone also effects on the palpation test?<
No. The palpation test effectively finds the bottom of the pubic bone. Comparing that to the exit point will give an estimation of the amount of inner penis that may be exposed by lig stretch.
>How can you measure the form of a pubic bone, atually i do not really know what "steep" means. I think my pubic bone is more horizontal, because my pubic bone seems to be deep.<
That could be. From what you described in the other thread, I would say you do have potential for gains from lig stretch, and a low LOT.
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>So a steeper curve in the pubic bone can result in a not so high LOT?<
A more horizontal tilt to the pubic bone can result in a lower LOT.
>Does it also mean, that a more horizontal curve in the pubic bone can lead to a higher LOT?<
A more vertical pubic bone can lead to a higher LOT reading.
>Another question:
Is it possible to have an high exit point, when your pubic bone is curved more horinzontal?<
No, more vertical.
>Because a horizontal curve would mean, that the penis would automatically came out straight of the anus,hope you got me.<
If the pubic bone was tilted more horizontal, then it would be more likely that the shaft would appear to come out straight from the anus. A more vertical pubic bone, with the same lig attachment to the pubic bone, would appear to be a higher exit point.
>Has the anatomy of the pubic bone also effects on the palpation test?<
No. The palpation test effectively finds the bottom of the pubic bone. Comparing that to the exit point will give an estimation of the amount of inner penis that may be exposed by lig stretch.
>How can you measure the form of a pubic bone, atually i do not really know what "steep" means. I think my pubic bone is more horizontal, because my pubic bone seems to be deep.<
That could be. From what you described in the other thread, I would say you do have potential for gains from lig stretch, and a low LOT.
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Bib,
Sorry to sound redundant but just needed one thing clarified. I myself have a low lot yet when I palpate the amount of inner penis, its around 2 inches. Btw, my pubic bone definetely has a horizontal tilt to it. I wanted to know if I can still gain from lower angle hanging to expose those two inches ?? Or does the fact that I have a horizontal shift to my pubic bone makes the inner penis harder or impossible to pull out? thanks
Sorry to sound redundant but just needed one thing clarified. I myself have a low lot yet when I palpate the amount of inner penis, its around 2 inches. Btw, my pubic bone definetely has a horizontal tilt to it. I wanted to know if I can still gain from lower angle hanging to expose those two inches ?? Or does the fact that I have a horizontal shift to my pubic bone makes the inner penis harder or impossible to pull out? thanks
oz,
>Sorry to sound redundant but just needed one thing clarified. I myself have a low lot yet when I palpate the amount of inner penis, its around 2 inches. Btw, my pubic bone definetely has a horizontal tilt to it. I wanted to know if I can still gain from lower angle hanging to expose those two inches ??<
I would say that is correct. There is no substitute for measureing the amount of inner penis.
>Or does the fact that I have a horizontal shift to my pubic bone makes the inner penis harder or impossible to pull out?<
No. The only thing that would do that is the strength of your ligaments.
Bigger
>Sorry to sound redundant but just needed one thing clarified. I myself have a low lot yet when I palpate the amount of inner penis, its around 2 inches. Btw, my pubic bone definetely has a horizontal tilt to it. I wanted to know if I can still gain from lower angle hanging to expose those two inches ??<
I would say that is correct. There is no substitute for measureing the amount of inner penis.
>Or does the fact that I have a horizontal shift to my pubic bone makes the inner penis harder or impossible to pull out?<
No. The only thing that would do that is the strength of your ligaments.
Bigger
@Bib
How do you think lig gains will occur when you have a horizontal shift in your pubic bone?
I think when you have a horizontal shift, you will gain massive in bpel because the more you penis is pulled down and therefore hangs lower, you are able to push the ruler more into the curve("cave") which leads to a very higher bpel measurement but not so much NBPenis EnlargementL.
How do you think lig gains will occur when you have a horizontal shift in your pubic bone?
I think when you have a horizontal shift, you will gain massive in bpel because the more you penis is pulled down and therefore hangs lower, you are able to push the ruler more into the curve("cave") which leads to a very higher bpel measurement but not so much NBPenis EnlargementL.
When you look at those 2 drawings you see that the pubic bone is not vertical (90 degrees).
The pubic bone is curved in this drawing.
The ligs are holding the shaft close to the pubic symphysis.
Here is my question.
I still do not understand the lig gaining process. When you stretch your ligs like in the second drawing, your inner shaft will be pulled away from the pubic bone which is supposed to lead to a longer shaft.
And here is my problem:I think (may be based on a limited imagination) you are only gaining BPenis EnlargementL because you are able to push the ruler more inside the pubic bone (inside the deeper parts/part which is more horizontal of the pubic bone because the base of the penis extends lower now).
I do not see how NPenis EnlargementL length gains can occur. The guy who made this drawing is measuring in both drawings from the same point(the yellow line).
The shaft normally should be the same lenght, i do not see why he is talking about "new external penis".
Specific Question to the drawing. What do you think about his idea, that you have to deal with a new ligament, the purple one instead of the red one after you were succesfully in stretching the red one?
My opinion is, that drawing number 2 shows the lowest possible exit point, so there are no more lig gains.
The pubic bone is curved in this drawing.
The ligs are holding the shaft close to the pubic symphysis.
Here is my question.
I still do not understand the lig gaining process. When you stretch your ligs like in the second drawing, your inner shaft will be pulled away from the pubic bone which is supposed to lead to a longer shaft.
And here is my problem:I think (may be based on a limited imagination) you are only gaining BPenis EnlargementL because you are able to push the ruler more inside the pubic bone (inside the deeper parts/part which is more horizontal of the pubic bone because the base of the penis extends lower now).
I do not see how NPenis EnlargementL length gains can occur. The guy who made this drawing is measuring in both drawings from the same point(the yellow line).
The shaft normally should be the same lenght, i do not see why he is talking about "new external penis".
Specific Question to the drawing. What do you think about his idea, that you have to deal with a new ligament, the purple one instead of the red one after you were succesfully in stretching the red one?
My opinion is, that drawing number 2 shows the lowest possible exit point, so there are no more lig gains.
i think im imagining it right:- imagine the exit point being held up by the ligs. if the ligs are stretched, then the exit point will be lower, and because the inner penis runs up the pelvis then there is less distance for the inner penis before it reaches the exit point. so some of the inner penis is now expressed as exposed penis, making the exposed penis longer and the exit point lower
gorillaunit said:i have a question for all the experienced hangers on board. what is the minimum amount of time you've hung per day and still saw gains?
currently i'm a month in to my hanging and i'm hanging 18 lbs fairly comfortably for 80 minutes/day. i try to split up my 4 total, 20 minute sets into two in the morning or early afternoon and then again before bed at night.
I want to split my hanging routine up through-out the day. Is this advisable, or will the ligs begin to heal enough between a lets say 7 hour period to ill advise this?
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