Chaco's Chem PE and Bib Progress

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I'm really tired of manual stretching. So tired that I haven't been getting it done. I found out that my Max-Vac is shipping out this week. I'm excited about that.

I'm going to be posting here my MV routine and progress once it arrives. I may also order a Bib in a few months and use both. The Bib for heavy short sets and the MV for [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]'ing. I'll see how it goes.

I also decided to take a huge leap and start a Lite Chemical Penis Enlargement routine using igf-1 long r3.:O

I'm planning on injecting 3 days per week at 10 mcg per injection. I should have enough to run about a 6 month cycle. I might bump my injections to 4 days per week but that won't be for a few months. For those interested this Chem routine is costing $248.87 for the 6 months. This includes the IGF-1, syringes, and bacteriostatic water.

I don't plan on gaining any extra length from the IGF-1. All my length will come from hanging, manual stretching, and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words].

I hope my EG is at least 5.75-6 at the end of my first 6 months with this chemical program.

I will keep you posted once I'm hanging and injecting. Wish me luck.:)
 
playtowin;301795 said:
looking forward to the log. I ordered my mv back in march when did you order yours?
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March 23rd. I called and emailed a couple of times with no response. I made a whining post over at MNS yesterday and within an hour I had a PM. He said he had been away and was behind but promised mine would go out this week. My complaining post disappeared after that too.:s

I'd try to call or post over on their forum so you know it's being shipped out soon.
 
Still haven't received my MV yet. 7 weeks is a long time to wait. I hope it's worth it.

I did my first injection on Friday. WOW. What a rush. Nothing like sticking a needle into your dick to let you know you're alive.

I had to pound 4 beers pretty quick to get up the nerve. I'm hoping I won't need to catch a buzz after a couple more injections though. Maybe I'll taper down like 3 beers for the next injection then 2 then 1.:)

I took some fresh measurements too.

EL 5 1/4
EG Base 5 1/8 Circ Scar 5

Planning on 5 3/4-6 EG within 6 months.
 
Hydromaxm, not sure if it will do what you want it to. I took it for a little bit but not for Penis Enlargement. doesnt matter where you put it, its going into your bloodstream anyways. Im assuming you think whatever IGF touches will grow. But, keep doing the exercises and stretches and let me know how it works out.
 
tgotti83;302203 said:
Hydromaxm, not sure if it will do what you want it to. I took it for a little bit but not for Penis Enlargement. doesnt matter where you put it, its going into your bloodstream anyways. Im assuming you think whatever IGF touches will grow. But, keep doing the exercises and stretches and let me know how it works out.
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Sure it's going into my bloodstream but it has a much better chance of attaching to cells in my penis if I put it there. I also wear a cock ring for at least 30 minutes after injection. Some will still get out of my cock but I'm taking the chance and hoping I get some attachment soon after injection.

I know there is no chance of making my cock bigger by injecting anywhere else. I also know there's a chance of it getting bigger by injecting right into it. So I am.

This is all an experiment. I'll keep you posted on the results.
 
10inchadvantage;302213 said:
Please do keep us updated with all of your discoveries, problems, etc.
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I will.

I just did injection number 2. It only took 3 beers. Not bad. It was on my left side since the last was on my right. I was a bit worried because of the angle and I'm right handed. It hurt but worked out ok.

This whole thing is kinda fucked up. I really want some good gains from all of this but when I need to inject gains are the farthest thing from my mind.

It's almost as if I'm doing this to see if I can. Gains will be awesome but after only 2 injections this is taking me somewhere beyond gains. I can't describe it exactly but sticking needles in my cock is pretty powerful for me.
 
Chaco;302254 said:
I will.

I just did injection number 2. It only took 3 beers. Not bad. It was on my left side since the last was on my right. I was a bit worried because of the angle and I'm right handed. It hurt but worked out ok.

This whole thing is kinda fucked up. I really want some good gains from all of this but when I need to inject gains are the farthest thing from my mind.

It's almost as if I'm doing this to see if I can. Gains will be awesome but after only 2 injections this is taking me somewhere beyond gains. I can't describe it exactly but sticking needles in my cock is pretty powerful for me.
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Woah, don't get too freaky on us. There aren't permanent needle marks on the penis are there?
 
10inchadvantage;302280 said:
Woah, don't get too freaky on us. There aren't permanent needle marks on the penis are there?
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I won't. I think it's just a high from overcoming such a strong fear.
 
if you have the real IGF, you should get extreme pumps when you work out. also, your dik has to be really really sore putting this stuff in. Can you even jelq?
 
I was thinking of doing this myself. Im still in newbie phase, but maybe it would be more effective.

Chaco whered you get the igf? im looking a various sitesresearch labs etc, pm me if you want.
 
tgotti83;302335 said:
if you have the real IGF, you should get extreme pumps when you work out. also, your dik has to be really really sore putting this stuff in. Can you even jelq?
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I'm not going to get extreme pumps working out because I'm only injecting 10 mcg 3 days a week right now. Bodybuilders do 40-100mcg daily.
 
Here is the theory of how IGF works in exo-skeletal muscles which "hopefully" works the same way in the smooth muscles of the penis...

Muscle satellite cell prolferation is the single most important effect of IGF-1 to us bodybuilders. In order to perfectly understand what this means, we must examine how muscles grow.

Muscle grows in two ways: the amount of contractile protien inside a fiber increases, which increases muscular strength and the space taken up by that additional strand of protein is added lean body mass. This is a comparatively small amount of size, but a lot of strength. The second way that muscles grow is when satellite cells merge with real muscle cells and donate their nucleus. Satellite cells have only one nucleus. And muscle cells, unlike the other cells in the human body, have at least one nucleus, without a set ceiling to how many there can be.

Myonucleii are the parts of the cell that are responsible for protein synthesis and expression. Whenever you damage a muscle through training, the rebuilding process that ensues is accomplished mostly by the myonucleii, which make new contractile protein which is used to repair and when possible upgrade the muscle cell's ability to generate and withstand force. Moreover, the size of a muscle cell is directly proportional to its myonuclear number, i.e. the number of nucleii that the cell contains. So the maximum amount of carbohydrate, water, minerals and protein that a muscle cell can absorb and retain are all dependent on ONE thing: the myonuclear number.

Moreover, the ability to recover (and upgrade) from damage is also proportional to the myonuclear number. As such, having high myonuclear numbers should be on top of every bodybuilder's priority list. Now how do we get the satellite cells to donate their nucleii? Interestingly, it is the autocrine IGF-1 that signals adjacent satellite cells to donate their myonucleii. Autocrine IGF-1 expression happens with exercise and is proportional to many things, including the level of androgen receptor stimulation. Yes this means that one of the ways in which anabolic steroids help growth is through the added expression of autocrine IGF-1 and merging of satellite cells.

One very interesting theory of steroids is that the decreasing results from successive cycles, which have absolutely nothing to do with receptor downregulation, actually has more to do with having merged more and more of the satellite cells into the muscles and having less and less new satellite cells for merging and donation puposes.

As you guessed, exogenous IGF-1 administration fixes this splendidly by its potent stimulation of satellite cell hyperplasia. Hyperplasia pulls a lot of carbohydrate and protein from the bloodstream to make new cells. This also requires a very large amount of energy, which can be obtained from burning fats, since the energy expenditure is not extremely rapid. The low blood glucose that ensutes IGF-1 administration as well as greatly increased triglyceride metatolism on the part of the dividing myoblasts compound to generate a substantial fatloss effect.

When injected, IGF-1 floats around until it finds an IGF-1 receptor or another binding site such as the IGFBP. Of course for the usual Long R3 form that most use, the IGFBP is not a factor and the IGF molecule will just wander until it finds a receptor. Exercise upregulates the trained muscle's receptor, bringing it to the cell's surface and "opening" it for business with an IGF-1 molecule. Once IGF-1 binds to that site, it will be absorbed by the cell and metabolized. One IGF-1 molecule can only trigger one receptor. Obviously, we want to target muscle receptors, as all other cell types also have IGF-1 receptors. Skin & hair follicles, sure why not. What you want to avoid growing are bones, internal organs such as intestines, and tumors. Interestingly, the highest concentration of IGF-1 receptors are in the gut.
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For bodybuilding puerposes it is most effective when injected AFTER the muscle has been worked and are fatigued, not before so i'm not sure what the real benefit of injecting into the penis before it's been worked will do.
 
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Chaco, what is your routine going to be for this experiment?? Are you going to do any girth work at all?? A hanging/ADS only routine is not really suited for IGF use since you tissues should be in fatigued state to get best results... and when i say tissues i don't mean the ligs but the smooth muscle as that is what will contain IGF receptors, not your ligs/tunica.
 
10inchadvantage;302380 said:
Could you explain how IGF makes your penis feel and react?
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To early to tell. I just got done with my third injection. From what I read it takes 1-3 weeks to feel anything. Sometimes longer at a low dose like I'm doing. I'll bump it up in a few weeks if I don't feel anything. I think it's best to start slow based off others experience who started with a larger dose and hurt themselves.
 
Chaco;302420 said:
To early to tell. I just got done with my third injection. From what I read it takes 1-3 weeks to feel anything. Sometimes longer at a low dose like I'm doing. I'll bump it up in a few weeks if I don't feel anything. I think it's best to start slow based off others experience who started with a larger dose and hurt themselves.
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That's a good idea. So you don't get erect at all?
 
10inchadvantage;302452 said:
That's a good idea. So you don't get erect at all?
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Nope. I'd get erect if I was using the PGE-1. I'll start using that soon but I'm still trying to find a cheap source without a prescription.
 
Chaco;302457 said:
Nope. I'd get erect if I was using the PGE-1. I'll start using that soon but I'm still trying to find a cheap source without a prescription.
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There are some Chinese drug manufacturers that you could hit up, you know.
 
sikdogg;302390 said:
Chaco, what is your routine going to be for this experiment?? Are you going to do any girth work at all?? A hanging/ADS only routine is not really suited for IGF use since you tissues should be in fatigued state to get best results... and when i say tissues i don't mean the ligs but the smooth muscle as that is what will contain IGF receptors, not your ligs/tunica.
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I stretch, jelq, pump, and clamp. I don't have a set routine on times and days. I follow my dick really. If it's too tired I don't Penis Enlargement. If I'm feeling good I do.

That being said I generally stretch 4-5 days for 20-30 minutes. I jelq 15 minutes 3 days. I pump 30-60 minutes or clamp 3 days. I mix the clamping and pumping depending on how I feel.

I do my stretching and girth work before my injections. I make sure I'm nice and sore before I inject.
 
Pump 30 min 5hg
Jelq 20 min
Stretch 30 min

I did my 5th injection today and it took me 2 tries. The first try hurt like hell. I just couldn't bring myself to push through the tunica. I backed out and tried another spot. I was worried that it would hurt worse since the first attempt dulled the tip. The second try wasn't bad at all though.

I got my MV shipping number today. It should be here in a few days. Also ordered some PGE-1 to start into my routine. It should be here within 2 weeks.
 
Chaco, what made you go this route? Just to experiment, or did you hit a wall with NPenis Enlargement?

This seems extreme to me (and I think to you to), but I trust you found justification to doing it. Nevertheless, I am curious about your results and I will continue to monitor your progress.

BTW, are your stats current, or starting?

Best of luck.
 
goingforit;302833 said:
Chaco, what made you go this route? Just to experiment, or did you hit a wall with NPenis Enlargement?

This seems extreme to me (and I think to you to), but I trust you found justification to doing it. Nevertheless, I am curious about your results and I will continue to monitor your progress.

BTW, are your stats current, or starting?

Best of luck.
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I hit a mental wall. I just don't want to pe so much for good gains. I'm trying for some easier gains. Nothing in Penis Enlargement is easy but I'm hoping the chemical part of my pe will lighten my workload and shorten the time to get to my goals.

This chemical thing is really extreme at the start but it's already old hat.

My stats are current as of a couple weeks ago. I'll probably measure in a month or 2.
 
Tuesday-Rest

Wednesday-6th injection(note to self-Do Not Clamp after injection.)
1x10 clamp
1x40 clamp
20 minutes stretching
PC Work

Thursday
30 minutes stretching
10 minutes [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] stretching
PC Work
 
7th injection today

Took a few tries today. It was painful today.

2x15 clamp
1x15 clamp base and circ scar.
30 minute stretch
PC Work

Hope my MV comes tomorrow. I'm tired of manual stretching. I don't mind clamping or pumping but tugging is a real chore.

Ordered some Andractim to throw into the chemical cauldron. It should be here in a week or two.
 
Chaco;303328 said:
7th injection today

Took a few tries today. It was painful today.

2x15 clamp
1x15 clamp base and circ scar.
30 minute stretch
PC Work

Hope my MV comes tomorrow. I'm tired of manual stretching. I don't mind clamping or pumping but tugging is a real chore.

Ordered some Andractim to throw into the chemical cauldron. It should be here in a week or two.
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Man I'm having problems trying to order Andractim. My bank isn't allowing the funds to go overseas for some reason. I have the money for it it's just that the card keeps getting denied.
 
8th injection today

2 tries were painful then I found a dead spot where it went right in. It's kind of weird how it can hurt to the point of gasping for air and then a couple millimeters over and there's no pain.

3x15 pump
30 minute stretch
PC Work

Still no MV. Got a tracking number for my PGE-1 today. I hope it gets here next week. Maybe it will beat the MV and it's coming from Hong Kong.:)
 
Chaco;303493 said:
8th injection today

2 tries were painful then I found a dead spot where it went right in. It's kind of weird how it can hurt to the point of gasping for air and then a couple millimeters over and there's no pain.

3x15 pump
30 minute stretch
PC Work

Still no MV. Got a tracking number for my PGE-1 today. I hope it gets here next week. Maybe it will beat the MV and it's coming from Hong Kong.:)
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Haha man you're so evil :). Anyway, why don't you just jam it in the first spot? I just push really hard wherever I'm injecting and it goes in, although I always experience that "gasp" pain of which you speak. It's over in like .5 seconds though, a quick sting, like you stubbed your toe on something.
 
10inchadvantage;303494 said:
Haha man you're so evil :). Anyway, why don't you just jam it in the first spot? I just push really hard wherever I'm injecting and it goes in, although I always experience that "gasp" pain of which you speak. It's over in like .5 seconds though, a quick sting, like you stubbed your toe on something.
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Cause I'm a big pussy.rofl
 
It just does the poke for you... you still have to push the plunger in to inject the solution. What this device does is eliminate the scariest part of injecting... the actual poke.

I do have an Autoject which does the poke and inject... that thing is awesome. In about a second and a half, it's all done so there is no injection anxiety.
 
sikdogg;303524 said:
It just does the poke for you... you still have to push the plunger in to inject the solution. What this device does is eliminate the scariest part of injecting... the actual poke.

I do have an Autoject which does the poke and inject... that thing is awesome. In about a second and a half, it's all done so there is no injection anxiety.
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Ah, I guess it's for those who don't like looking at a needle going into their skin? I can understand that, but I think the anticipation from that machine would get me more ancy as I would be "waiting" for it to prick.
 
10inchadvantage;303537 said:
Ah, I guess it's for those who don't like looking at a needle going into their skin? I can understand that, but I think the anticipation from that machine would get me more ancy as I would be "waiting" for it to prick.
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I may try one. I don't know. I don't mind the needle it's the pain that gets me.:) When it doesn't hurt it's actually kind of cool to watch it go in.
 
When you use something like the INJECT-EASE, there is no pain. It jabs so quick that it's painless. I also used 31g needles so that may have helped alot...
 
9th injection last night.
I pushed in in quicker and it was easier. Just a pinch and no blood.

2x10 pump at 3-4hg
20 minutes stretching
1 hour sex with cockring prior to injection.
 
10th injection yesterday. Wasn't too bad.

2x15 Clamp
20 Stretching
PC Work

Received Andractim(DHT Gel) yesterday. I'm using 2.5 grams daily.
 
I am also interested in using igf1 - long r3 for gaining girth. So I am looking forward to seeing your posts regarding your progress for the next 6 months. Are you doing any girth exercises also alongwith taking igf? Have you heard of any chemical which may help in gaining length also? Wishing you all the best with your routines.

Arunv
 
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