Truthfulness of theories?

Zambrodom3 · Nov 26, 2014

Hey everyone! This thread of mine I open to mainly ask about your opinion (DLD specially). I have been reading quite a bit lately and I came across a few interesting threads and theories that sound really logical, but I want to hear your opinion on them. What do you think of the "Mirror Test- Ligament potential theory" (which I find REALLY logical) and the TGC Theory (which sounds logical as well and if true- can help a lot of people with their struggles)? Everyone is more than welcome to comment, but to me- DLD's opinion on these would be THE most important. Both of them really sound very logical and if true- sure can help a lot of people around with the methodics that stand behind them.

P.S- I can give links, but first I need the permission of LIGHTNING, DLD or any of the mods to do so (as the links are outside of MOS).

DLD · Nov 26, 2014

Zambrodom3;622183 said:
Hey everyone! This thread of mine I open to mainly ask about your opinion (DLD specially). I have been reading quite a bit lately and I came across a few interesting threads and theories that sound really logical, but I want to hear your opinion on them. What do you think of the "Mirror Test- Ligament potential theory" (which I find REALLY logical) and the TGC Theory (which sounds logical as well and if true- can help a lot of people with their struggles)? Everyone is more than welcome to comment, but to me- DLD's opinion on these would be THE most important. Both of them really sound very logical and if true- sure can help a lot of people around with the methodics that stand behind them.

P.S- I can give links, but first I need the permission of LIGHTNING, DLD or any of the mods to do so (as the links are outside of MOS).

Yes, please post the original information so I can read the theories in question.

Zambrodom3 · Nov 26, 2014

https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-the...-focus-your-pe-gain-tgc-theory-explained.html (it is a 4 part theory- every part is discussed in a separate post)

Bib's Hangers (these are tests (aside from Bib's LOT theory) that show what your ligament-gaining potentials are)

master_mind · Nov 26, 2014

Zambrodom3;622183 said:
Hey everyone! This thread of mine I open to mainly ask about your opinion (DLD specially). I have been reading quite a bit lately and I came across a few interesting threads and theories that sound really logical, but I want to hear your opinion on them. What do you think of the "Mirror Test- Ligament potential theory" (which I find REALLY logical) and the TGC Theory (which sounds logical as well and if true- can help a lot of people with their struggles)? Everyone is more than welcome to comment, but to me- DLD's opinion on these would be THE most important. Both of them really sound very logical and if true- sure can help a lot of people around with the methodics that stand behind them.

P.S- I can give links, but first I need the permission of LIGHTNING, DLD or any of the mods to do so (as the links are outside of MOS).

i agree with the tgc theory.

youknowme123321 · Nov 26, 2014

i just started reading tgc. so far i am liking it and finding it interesting. smooth muscle info is great. as we age muscle decreases everywhere so it makes sense that it does in the penis as well. I was always inconsistent with my PE up until the recent months and I've always noticed my erection quality improved when i was doing PE even if it was just for a few weeks in the past. and it's cool to read this explain the smooth muscle of the penis so well

Aussigymguy · Nov 26, 2014

Thanks for sharing that my man the tgc theory was really interesting I may have to switch up my focus based on that

youknowme123321 · Nov 26, 2014

just was able to finish the tgc theory. good read.i am just going to train both. i am going to add in more bundled stretching.

longstretch · Nov 28, 2014

The TGC is the closest thing that matches my actual experience with PE. The percentages are just guidelines but the concepts are the main take always for me. I've gained well when I was mixing both and here recently suffered some drop in EQ and had trouble getting my dick hard. Added some jelqs back in to my limited to routine and I'm good as new

Zambrodom3 · Nov 28, 2014

longstretch;622455 said:
The TGC is the closest thing that matches my actual experience with PE. The percentages are just guidelines but the concepts are the main take always for me. I've gained well when I was mixing both and here recently suffered some drop in EQ and had trouble getting my dick hard. Added some jelqs back in to my limited to routine and I'm good as new

Yes, I agree with your post- even if the theory is NOT true (as it is a theory)- I find it a great read!

DLD · Nov 28, 2014

There are some very good points but also some misinformation here but this is why we say the word "Theory". First, the penis does not contain 50% smooth muscle, not even close most men have about 10% smooth muscle in the penis. Is this restrictive? Not in any way, just like the stomach, after you eat a huge meal the smooth muscle expands to accommodate the food but after digestion it goes back to it's original size. Just like the mechanic of an erection and returning to flaccid size. Placidity in smooth muscle is different than that in skeletal muscles in this way meaning skeletal muscles will become larger with exercise and smooth muscle will expand but return to it's original size. It would be difficult to gain so much that the smooth muscle could not stretch to that size. The biggest limiting factor in gaining size is the Tunica and this has a elasticity of about 5% but it will permanently expand with continuous stretching which is vital to length and girth work.

Long ago I put smooth muscle out of the mix in my PE work because of the reasons above, I knew that if my Tunica expanded the smooth muscle made no difference in size gained, it would simply stretch to accommodate any size erection I could attain. My focus went on 3 main areas of importance, Tunica, Ligaments and Internal Penis. As many know I try to keep things very simple because too much complicated science can greatly effect the belief system of gaining. Addressing each of these 3 areas will bring gains to all men who train properly. The Tunica is expanded through mainly girth work and bundled stretches, ligament growth happens due to high grip stretching manually and long sessions of extending, internal penis grows by low grip stretching. Including these 3 areas in your workout will ensure you have covered all areas of importance to gaining.

Zambrodom3 · Nov 28, 2014

doublelongdaddy;622503 said:
There are some very good points but also some misinformation here but this is why we say the word "Theory". First, the penis does not contain 50% smooth muscle, not even close most men have about 10% smooth muscle in the penis. Is this restrictive? Not in any way, just like the stomach, after you eat a huge meal the smooth muscle expands to accommodate the food but after digestion it goes back to it's original size. Just like the mechanic of an erection and returning to flaccid size. Placidity in smooth muscle is different than that in skeletal muscles in this way meaning skeletal muscles will become larger with exercise and smooth muscle will expand but return to it's original size. It would be difficult to gain so much that the smooth muscle could not stretch to that size. The biggest limiting factor in gaining size is the Tunica and this has a elasticity of about 5% but it will permanently expand with continuous stretching which is vital to length and girth work.

Long ago I put smooth muscle out of the mix in my PE work because of the reasons above, I knew that if my Tunica expanded the smooth muscle made no difference in size gained, it would simply stretch to accommodate any size erection I could attain. My focus went on 3 main areas of importance, Tunica, Ligaments and Internal Penis. As many know I try to keep things very simple because too much complicated science can greatly effect the belief system of gaining. Addressing each of these 3 areas will bring gains to all men who train properly. The Tunica is expanded through mainly girth work and bundled stretches, ligament growth happens due to high grip stretching manually and long sessions of extending, internal penis grows by low grip stretching. Including these 3 areas in your workout will ensure you have covered all areas of importance to gaining.

Perfect post! So you say that smooth muslce only training is not what is best as you think the tunica as the most important factor and that smooth muscle would catch up however big the tunica gets, did I get it right or I misunderstood?

DLD · Nov 29, 2014

Zambrodom3;622556 said:
Perfect post! So you say that smooth muslce only training is not what is best as you think the tunica as the most important factor and that smooth muscle would catch up however big the tunica gets, did I get it right or I misunderstood?

You can think of it like the stomach, if it is full of food it becomes bigger and the smooth muscle will conform to this, but once you empty the stomach the smooth muscle retracts to it's original size. Now the penis is different in the sense that when it becomes erect and the tissue has grown to a new size the smooth muscle will conform to this new size. Everyones penis becomes smaller when they are flaccid, so again the smooth muscle will retract again. If this was not the case we would end up with a very baggy look to the penis when flaccid. The Tunica, when effectively stretched will retain the new stretched size and never retract to it's smaller size and once the tunica has expanded it allows for more blood to be held in the penis causing permanent gains.

Zambrodom3 · Dec 8, 2014

doublelongdaddy;622503 said:
There are some very good points but also some misinformation here but this is why we say the word "Theory". First, the penis does not contain 50% smooth muscle, not even close most men have about 10% smooth muscle in the penis. Is this restrictive? Not in any way, just like the stomach, after you eat a huge meal the smooth muscle expands to accommodate the food but after digestion it goes back to it's original size. Just like the mechanic of an erection and returning to flaccid size. Placidity in smooth muscle is different than that in skeletal muscles in this way meaning skeletal muscles will become larger with exercise and smooth muscle will expand but return to it's original size. It would be difficult to gain so much that the smooth muscle could not stretch to that size. The biggest limiting factor in gaining size is the Tunica and this has a elasticity of about 5% but it will permanently expand with continuous stretching which is vital to length and girth work.

Long ago I put smooth muscle out of the mix in my PE work because of the reasons above, I knew that if my Tunica expanded the smooth muscle made no difference in size gained, it would simply stretch to accommodate any size erection I could attain. My focus went on 3 main areas of importance, Tunica, Ligaments and Internal Penis. As many know I try to keep things very simple because too much complicated science can greatly effect the belief system of gaining. Addressing each of these 3 areas will bring gains to all men who train properly. The Tunica is expanded through mainly girth work and bundled stretches, ligament growth happens due to high grip stretching manually and long sessions of extending, internal penis grows by low grip stretching. Including these 3 areas in your workout will ensure you have covered all areas of importance to gaining.

I see, but I need to ask you- do you believe in what's written about smooth muscle and its effects on the erection?

Satyr · Dec 8, 2014

I couldn't find anything on the subject of smooth muscles in the CS and CC in the net. Do you have any links to anatomy sites or sth. that describe these muscle structures? If there's something like that, I'm sure it has already been scientifically explored, so there must be something to find. I ask because I've never heard about it before and as you know I always like to have as much scientific evidence as possible.

Zambrodom3 · Dec 8, 2014

Satyr;624390 said:
I couldn't find anything on the subject of smooth muscles in the CS and CC in the net. Do you have any links to anatomy sites or sth. that describe these muscle structures? If there's something like that, I'm sure it has already been scientifically explored, so there must be something to find. I ask because I've never heard about it before and as you know I always like to have as much scientific evidence as possible.

Anatomy of the Penis Tadaaa!

Satyr · Dec 8, 2014

Zambrodom3;624391 said:
Anatomy of the Penis Tadaaa!

thanks Zam. Smooth muscles are mentioned there, although in just one def. of penile erection. Also, on first sight, I couldn't find anything about the quantity of muscle tissue (I'm wondering how the 50% came up). Have to take a closer look later.

DLD · Dec 8, 2014

Satyr;624393 said:
(I'm wondering how the 50% came up)

Wondering the same thing, maybe it was taken out of context.

Zambrodom3 · Dec 9, 2014

doublelongdaddy;624456 said:
Wondering the same thing, maybe it was taken out of context.

Nope, I guess they just tried to fill the gap and make their theory sound better... So you do agree on the erection mechanisms states above- that the smooth muscle plays a vita role in the erection proceess and if the width of the tunica is larger than what the smooth muscle can expand to- the erection would not be as good. Do you agree with that specifically or you think there is something wrong in that statement?

DLD · Dec 9, 2014

Zambrodom3;624621 said:
Nope, I guess they just tried to fill the gap and make their theory sound better... So you do agree on the erection mechanisms states above- that the smooth muscle plays a vita role in the erection proceess and if the width of the tunica is larger than what the smooth muscle can expand to- the erection would not be as good. Do you agree with that specifically or you think there is something wrong in that statement?

Smooth muscle will play the same role in a small penis that become bigger by the nature of it;s function. If the penis grows far bigger the smooth muscle will expand to that point with absolutely no need to put any effort into expanding the smooth muscle, it is the job it was meant to do. You can look at it like someone who was once very fat in the belly but then lost all the weight, the smooth muscle will simply reconfirm to that size and if he gains back that weight his smooth muscle will reconfirm to that size.

This article will give a good explanation of how Smooth Muscle expands and contracts without an increase in mass.

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