Training for maximum EQ

emceemonkey · Oct 21, 2014

After some soul searching, I've decided I don't want to add much more size - I'm 7.75" x 5.75" now, so almost 8x6. I'm already seeing headjobs being difficult, and I really do not want to end up not being able to go balls deep.

What I really want to aim for right now in my PE training is A) maximum eq and B) to cement my current size.
If I hit a permanent 8x6 only the way, that's cool, but not really the goal.
Right now, my maximum EQ is not as skin popping hard as it used to be.... I want that back!

So the theory goes that smooth muscle gains without any tunica expansion should result in improved EQ... noting that my stretched flaccid length is a good half inch longer than my erect length.

I was thinking of just doing a pumping/jelqing routine every second day with the bathmate, and ligament focused stretching with the length master on the other days. I won't do any bundled stretching or fulcrum stretching, nor will I do any clamping, SSJs, erect jelqing, etc. - i.e. avoid anything that has a tunica stretching effect.

This seem like a reasonable plan?

And also, anyone else have experience achieving improved EQ this way?

samuriajack · Oct 21, 2014

im 8.3 /5.7 , go for 8.5 by 6 or 6.5 screw bjs hahaha

tkto · Oct 21, 2014

I think that if your gonna cement that means gaining, along with kegels you should be all set in the end

DLD · Oct 22, 2014

jacob5414;614279 said:
im 8.3 /5.7 , go for 8.5 by 6 or 6.5 screw bjs hahaha

BJ's are the best when they can't fit it in their mouth and their eyes start watering

smerc · Oct 22, 2014

You're wanting to avoid any tunica work in regards to only length or just anything tunica related?
You said tunica stretching, but you mentioned clamping/SSJ's/jelqing. You also mention tunica expansion above as like you're wanting to avoid it.
Yet you also mention you doing pumping in your 2on/1off routine, but this causes expansion.

emceemonkey · Oct 22, 2014

This is why I need some help here

Firstly on whether the theory even works - i.e. does working the smooth muscle + avoiding tunica stretching/expansion = better erections

And secondly on how to achieve that.... my thinking is...
a) avoid
- tunica oriented stretches - bundled, fulcrum, blasters, etc.
- erect expansion - clamping, erect jelqs, SSJs, etc.
b) do
- ligament oriented and expressive stretches - down, BTC, side to side, etc.
- non-erect expansion - non-erect wet and dry jelqs, pumping

So pumping is the one I am most unsure about. I've done a lot of clamping in the past, and you can definitely feel the expansion of the tunica then - you really push up hard against it. But with pumping I have done so far, I don't feel that at all, the expansion does not seem to hit up against tunica so much. Note that I am going into the pump fully erect, just semi, so that might be part of it. My gut feeling is that pumping is not as much of a tunica expansion exercise as it might seem, especially when compared to clamping or any erect squeeze type exercise.

Anyways, thoughts appreciated.

youknowme123321 · Oct 22, 2014

make sure you have a good kegel routine.

i dont think ligament oriented and expressive stretches will directly improve EQ themselves but avoiding tunica oriented stretches - bundled, fulcrum, blasters, etc. and erect expansion - clamping, erect jelqs, SSJs, etc. like you plan can directly improve EQ by eliminating the fatigue that can come with those exercises.

My EQ is great after pumping but people have had varying negative impacts to their EQ from pumping.

i'd recommend just kegeling and using your LM to cement your gains and improve EQ. maybe some zinc, citrulline or arginine, and horny goat weed

emceemonkey · Oct 22, 2014

Kegels is a good point!! I do kegels and reverse kegels while I'm at work, but I don't have any particular routine... I'll make sure to get more focused around what I'm doing kegel wise.

DLD · Oct 23, 2014

emceemonkey;614618 said:
Kegels is a good point!! I do kegels and reverse kegels while I'm at work, but I don't have any particular routine... I'll make sure to get more focused around what I'm doing kegel wise.

That is just fine and the way I do them. I do them throughout the day, most subconsciously, but I am doing them. They are completely necessary to the growth process, without strong pelvic floor muscles the penis will not have the ability to have proper blood flow to support it.

ishuge · Oct 23, 2014

BM, and manual girth work + kegels gives me great erections.

DLD · Oct 24, 2014

ishuge;614942 said:
BM, and manual girth work + kegels gives me great erections.

That will do it!

emceemonkey · Oct 25, 2014

Cool, well I feel like I'm on the right track, and I've already been experiencing some crazy nighttime/morning wood.

I don't think it's as simple as just only doing manual girth work though, as some manual stuff his the tunica hard too, anything done erect or heavily constricted.

My gut feeling is that all the clamping I did stretched my tunica, but I wasn't doing enough smooth muscle oriented girth training to go with it - jelq based exercises mainly. I think this has added up to sub par erections over time. They're hard, but not skin popping like they used to be, and the CS/head especially are not as hard.

When you are really close to the size you want, this kind finessing of what you have is important I think. Much like bodybuilding where at first you just have to put on mass, but then you have to balance things out, attack weak points, etc. If I can get the skin popping erections back, I should be right at 8x6 anyways.

jordey · Oct 25, 2014

emceemonkey;615426 said:
Cool, well I feel like I'm on the right track, and I've already been experiencing some crazy nighttime/morning wood.

I don't think it's as simple as just only doing manual girth work though, as some manual stuff his the tunica hard too, anything done erect or heavily constricted.

My gut feeling is that all the clamping I did stretched my tunica, but I wasn't doing enough smooth muscle oriented girth training to go with it - jelq based exercises mainly. I think this has added up to sub par erections over time. They're hard, but not skin popping like they used to be, and the CS/head especially are not as hard.

When you are really close to the size you want, this kind finessing of what you have is important I think. Much like bodybuilding where at first you just have to put on mass, but then you have to balance things out, attack weak points, etc. If I can get the skin popping erections back, I should be right at 8x6 anyways.

thats good to hear. if you just need to work on the smooth muscle, do you think doing maybe 300 jelqs a day would solve the issue?

FireDragonLeo · Oct 25, 2014

Hello emceemonkey. I'm new to PE, but I've been into sexual fitness for a long time. Personally I'm a big believer in the Ancient Chinese view of health and sexual fitness. I'm so much of a believer that I'm in acupuncture school, so there is some full disclosure for you.
The basic view is that our internal health, (body organs, mind/emotions, and spirit) determines the function and health of our outer body. So if we are internally healthy we we have superb body function, which includes EQ.
In regards to EQ from this perspective, the main issues are Frequency of Ejaculation and the basic elements of taking care of ourselves: Diet, sleep, stress management, exercise, etc... Classical Chinese Medicine teaches that there is two kinds of energy in the human, External Energy and Inherent Energy [not the technical terms]. External energy comes from breathing, food, spiritual practices, etc. We are born with a finite amount of Inherent Energy from our parents. When the Inherent Energy runs out... You dead. The biggest way Men spend this Inherent Energy is, wait for it.. Ejaculating. (For women it's the gestation and breastfeeding of a child). One rule is limiting the frequency of ejaculation so that Inherent Energy is preserved. Some take it so far as to never ejaculate, but what fun is that?
I could go on for pages about this, but I will simply say that in my personal experience and my experience with clients, keeping a healthy body and mind will keep EQ quality high. If you're interested I can share more specifics about diet and exercises you can do to improve EQ.
Good Luck on your Quest!

tkto · Oct 26, 2014

Your talking about chi. I'm azn pryd so I no all about, and I even saw the man with the iron fists which gave me tons of experience points.

To top it off my pastor says I see things that others dont (bad energies'), but I'm sure I get that from living in a border town.

emceemonkey · Oct 26, 2014

jordey;615430 said:
thats good to hear. if you just need to work on the smooth muscle, do you think doing maybe 300 jelqs a day would solve the issue?

Could do, but I just bought a bathmate

The bathmate, at least to me, feels very different to clamping, it doesn't have that tunica stretching feeling at all.... and the plumpness afterwards is excellent for jelqing with, so I think the combo is great.

jordey · Oct 26, 2014

emceemonkey;615473 said:
Could do, but I just bought a bathmate

The bathmate, at least to me, feels very different to clamping, it doesn't have that tunica stretching feeling at all.... and the plumpness afterwards is excellent for jelqing with, so I think the combo is great.

ah i see, just be careful with fluid retention then if your main goal is hardness

DLD · Oct 27, 2014

emceemonkey;615473 said:
Could do, but I just bought a bathmate

The bathmate, at least to me, feels very different to clamping, it doesn't have that tunica stretching feeling at all.... and the plumpness afterwards is excellent for jelqing with, so I think the combo is great.

Usually a combination of exercises and tools is best in PE. Each exercise and tool performs a slightly different function and will bring gains fastest when used together intelligently. Most of the workouts I write are based on super-sets and combinational exercises and tools. SRT is a perfect example of this.

Iceman338 · Aug 18, 2016

FireDragonLeo;615451 said:
Hello emceemonkey. I'm new to PE, but I've been into sexual fitness for a long time. Personally I'm a big believer in the Ancient Chinese view of health and sexual fitness. I'm so much of a believer that I'm in acupuncture school, so there is some full disclosure for you.
The basic view is that our internal health, (body organs, mind/emotions, and spirit) determines the function and health of our outer body. So if we are internally healthy we we have superb body function, which includes EQ.
In regards to EQ from this perspective, the main issues are Frequency of Ejaculation and the basic elements of taking care of ourselves: Diet, sleep, stress management, exercise, etc... Classical Chinese Medicine teaches that there is two kinds of energy in the human, External Energy and Inherent Energy [not the technical terms]. External energy comes from breathing, food, spiritual practices, etc. We are born with a finite amount of Inherent Energy from our parents. When the Inherent Energy runs out... You dead. The biggest way Men spend this Inherent Energy is, wait for it.. Ejaculating. (For women it's the gestation and breastfeeding of a child). One rule is limiting the frequency of ejaculation so that Inherent Energy is preserved. Some take it so far as to never ejaculate, but what fun is that?
I could go on for pages about this, but I will simply say that in my personal experience and my experience with clients, keeping a healthy body and mind will keep EQ quality high. If you're interested I can share more specifics about diet and exercises you can do to improve EQ.
Good Luck on your Quest!

The more a man ages the less he should ejaculate. That's what the Taoists say. You lose internal energies that can't get easily replenished (as you age).

But Western medicine says that men should ejaculate a lot as they age as it's good for the prostate.

Whom does one believe?

habban · Aug 19, 2016

doublelongdaddy;614875 said:
That is just fine and the way I do them. I do them throughout the day, most subconsciously, but I am doing them. They are completely necessary to the growth process, without strong pelvic floor muscles the penis will not have the ability to have proper blood flow to support it.

When you say that DLD. Do you mean that you do both kegels and reverse kegels subconsciously. As i have understand it from you it seems that you only do kegels and only reverse kegels when you stretch, meaning that you think that reverse kegels for pelvic floor balance is bullshit?

This is how i understand it from you. Can you correct me?

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