taking ephedra? shrink?

[P]okey[B]ear · Oct 23, 2005

i'd love to see some contest pics during actual posing. You look great though man I hope to look like you someday.

prince Albert · Oct 23, 2005

Looking good VK arms and delts look very good,hard to tell from those pics but your back looks like it could do with more mass,no leg shots?

[P]okey[B]ear · Oct 23, 2005

Yeah come to think of it lets see them wheels

Vaseline_Knight · Oct 23, 2005

prince Albert said:
Looking good VK arms and delts look very good,hard to tell from those pics but your back looks like it could do with more mass,no leg shots?

Thanks buddy

I do have contest pics, but they're not digital so i have to get around to scanning them at my friends house sometime soon.

here's a back shot. My back is very wide, and lats are easy to train, but i have problems with my inner back,

http://img436.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offseason0038la.jpg

Vaseline_Knight · Oct 23, 2005

Vaseline_Knight said:
Thanks buddy

I do have contest pics, but they're not digital so i have to get around to scanning them at my friends house sometime soon.

here's a back shot. My back is very wide, and lats are easy to train, but i have problems with my inner back,

http://img436.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offseason0038la.jpg

and this is me normally off season before i bulk up.. (notice the beast hair on my chest =( )

http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offseason008i1fw.jpg

prince Albert · Oct 23, 2005

Take my words back mate back looks very good indeed,big delts as well

[P]okey[B]ear · Oct 23, 2005

someday I wish I can get there sooner rather then later

Vaseline_Knight · Oct 23, 2005

prince Albert said:
Take my words back mate back looks very good indeed,big delts as well

thanks alot bro.. ya im still debating if i should do roids or not. I gain very fast, but i lose just as quickly.

MAXAMEYES · Oct 24, 2005

Gettin' back to the original subject...much as I used to like the kick from ephedra, or Ma Huang, and the way it kept my sinuses clear, ya gotta remember that it's a vasoconstrictor. So...if you're trying to expand anything with blood vessels; ephedra's gonna detract from that to a certain extent.
And I'll chime in on the whole 'roids thing too: One thing that's a damn big question mark is the quality of the shit you might be getting, a LOT of this stuff comes from Mexico. Most of it (in the States at least) is veterinary grade and some isn't even that! You've gotta watch out for contamination, inconsistent doses and just pure crap thrown in there just to give you some kind of charge/high/jump but no real benefit of any kind. Last I knew they were still illegal here in the States, (can you say Barry Bonds?) so unless you've got a doctor in your pocket and a damn valid reason, a prescription,
a quality product and regular blood testing is most probably unattainable.
Is it all worth it? I dunno, but, anybody remember Lyle Alzado or the Tooz ?

prince Albert · Oct 24, 2005

Vaseline_Knight said:
thanks alot bro.. ya im still debating if i should do roids or not. I gain very fast, but i lose just as quickly.

Cutting is the problem for naturals,you can gain well but once you start to get the bodyfat below a certain level the size drops quickly,thats one of the attractions of aas use for alot of people they are very effective at keeping muscle while cutting.

MAXAMEYES

Gettin' back to the original subject...much as I used to like the kick from ephedra, or Ma Huang, and the way it kept my sinuses clear, ya gotta remember that it's a vasoconstrictor. So...if you're trying to expand anything with blood vessels; ephedra's gonna detract from that to a certain extent.
And I'll chime in on the whole 'roids thing too: One thing that's a damn big question mark is the quality of the shit you might be getting, a LOT of this stuff comes from Mexico. Most of it (in the States at least) is veterinary grade and some isn't even that! You've gotta watch out for contamination, inconsistent doses and just pure crap thrown in there just to give you some kind of charge/high/jump but no real benefit of any kind. Last I knew they were still illegal here in the States, (can you say Barry Bonds?) so unless you've got a doctor in your pocket and a damn valid reason, a prescription,
a quality product and regular blood testing is most probably unattainable.
Is it all worth it? I dunno, but, anybody rememberl Lyle Alzado the Tooz ?
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I'm a big fan of eph but have stopped using to see if it has any effects on pe.

Your right about quality in the states of aas,there are alot of labs churning out gear that has been knocked up in there kitchen and sterility is a big question,luckily in the uk we can get human grade gear easily.

The law in the states is ridiculous,we are pretty liberal in the uk,you are allowed up to a 3 month supply for personal use,it is possible to be prosecuted but never happens and in the rare cases it does its usually a fine.supplying is a big deal though.

Don't no who Tooz is but lyle alzado's name often gets put forward as an example of a steroid related death,the guy died from brain cancer was it down to roid use or was he always going to die from brain cancer who knows.

From an article ive read he he was on gear constantly and never took a break also being 300lb he must of been using quite large dosages,which is sili,use v abuse

pullups · Oct 25, 2005

guys where can i even buy epehdra hcl anyone got a link for it?

[P]okey[B]ear · Oct 25, 2005

I wouldn't recommend it. Ephedra = very dangerous.

pullups · Oct 25, 2005

ephedra= dangerous if you have no clue what ur doing just like anything

Vaseline_Knight · Oct 25, 2005

im2manly said:
ephedra= dangerous if you have no clue what ur doing just like anything

exactly
u want dangerous, try clen
almost ended up in the hospital after 4 days of being on it... I dont know how ppl take so much of it for so long, 1.5 tab was wayy too much for me.. i guess i have too fast a metabolism

pullups · Oct 25, 2005

clen and tren are big no no's for me

prince Albert · Oct 26, 2005

[P]okey[B]ear said:
I wouldn't recommend it. Ephedra = very dangerous.

Not if your sensible,its the idiots that pop 100+mg in one go along with caffine that end up getting problems,even worse the people who use eph and coke to get a buzz.

Some good reading on the safe use of eph.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/ECA_(Epedrine,_Caffeine,_Aspirin)/m_155953/tm.htm

prince Albert · Oct 26, 2005

Vaseline_Knight said:
exactly
u want dangerous, try clen
almost ended up in the hospital after 4 days of being on it... I dont know how ppl take so much of it for so long, 1.5 tab was wayy too much for me.. i guess i have too fast a metabolism

What happened,hate the stuff myself.

Vaseline_Knight · Oct 26, 2005

prince Albert said:
What happened,hate the stuff myself.

well i started getting muscle cramps which ws more or less expected cuz of the potassium flush, but then they got intense. Like i was shaving, i tilted my head the left and the whole of the left side of my body froze. couldnt move. so that was alarming. But i took some extra potassium and ignored it as jus a 'coincedence.'

a day later i noticed my heart was palpatating and it was beating a lil too fast. I took a home blood pressure test. 221 / 95. and my heart rate was 190. and i hadnt ran or done anything.. i laid down to slow down the heart rate.. nothing happened. i was lucky cuz at that blood pressure adn that heart rate u can have a heart attack or stroke easily.

MAXAMEYES · Oct 26, 2005

I really can't agree with Pokey Bear that ephedra's dangerous. It's much more a case of peoples misuse, abuse and freakish overuse that constitutes the danger. I, personally, used to love the stuff, my sinuses were never clearer, my breathing was better, (head and lungs both) and I even liked the lift it gave my energy levels. But, like everything else it can be abused. Think of it this way; consider water: Water in your stomach is essential, water in your lungs is drowning! Same substance, different use, different results. But getting back to ephedra? shrink? ...You might not shrink, but it'll prevent you from pumping to the fullest. Dig a little deeper in the 'net and you'll find Eph's properties...one of which is it's ability to shrink your blood vessels. That's one of the things that helps take the pressure from inflamed sinuses and lung tissue, which helps you breath better. But if you're looking to inflate your muscles, or penis, with blood to increase size, strenght, endurance or appearance then I'd recommend steering away from ephedra.

MAXAMEYES · Oct 26, 2005

prince Albert said:
Cutting is the problem for naturals,you can gain well but once you start to get the bodyfat below a certain level the size drops quickly,thats one of the attractions of aas use for alot of people they are very effective at keeping muscle while cutting.

MAXAMEYES

Gettin' back to the original subject...much as I used to like the kick from ephedra, or Ma Huang, and the way it kept my sinuses clear, ya gotta remember that it's a vasoconstrictor. So...if you're trying to expand anything with blood vessels; ephedra's gonna detract from that to a certain extent.
And I'll chime in on the whole 'roids thing too: One thing that's a damn big question mark is the quality of the shit you might be getting, a LOT of this stuff comes from Mexico. Most of it (in the States at least) is veterinary grade and some isn't even that! You've gotta watch out for contamination, inconsistent doses and just pure crap thrown in there just to give you some kind of charge/high/jump but no real benefit of any kind. Last I knew they were still illegal here in the States, (can you say Barry Bonds?) so unless you've got a doctor in your pocket and a damn valid reason, a prescription,
a quality product and regular blood testing is most probably unattainable.
Is it all worth it? I dunno, but, anybody rememberl Lyle Alzado the Tooz ?
quote

I'm a big fan of eph but have stopped using to see if it has any effects on pe.

Your right about quality in the states of aas,there are alot of labs churning out gear that has been knocked up in there kitchen and sterility is a big question,luckily in the uk we can get human grade gear easily.

The law in the states is ridiculous,we are pretty liberal in the uk,you are allowed up to a 3 month supply for personal use,it is possible to be prosecuted but never happens and in the rare cases it does its usually a fine.supplying is a big deal though.

Don't no who Tooz is but lyle alzado's name often gets put forward as an example of a steroid related death,the guy died from brain cancer was it down to roid use or was he always going to die from brain cancer who knows.

From an article ive read he he was on gear constantly and never took a break also being 300lb he must of been using quite large dosages,which is sili,use v abuse

PRINCE ALBERT
The Tooz was John Matuszak, he coulda been Alzado's twin brother from a different mother. He was another great big son-of-a-bitch who juiced a lot and often. He also used a shitload of drugs and booze and he wound up dead of a heart attack at about 39. One thing ya gotta remember about the roids is their negative effect on connective tissue. Chronic overuse will weaken, then begin eliminating, then begin destroying your connective tissue. And what good are enhanced muscles if they tear from the bone?

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