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took the words right outta my mouth, thank you.
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took the words right outta my mouth, thank you.
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DWTS00 said:
DWTS, chill out and have a decent discussion.
And you're wrong. Really, really, really wrong. Dead wrong. If you were any more wrong, the universe would implode upon itself. That's how wrong you are. :D
And, had you actually done any research (which I find highly doubtful that you have), you'd know you're wrong, because every, reputable, respected, highly-regarded, revered, renowned, and legitimate (hey, they couldn't all start with re-) sports nutritionist I know of recommends high-GI carbs and fast-digesting protein post-workout. And you can repeat that I relayed that revelation to you. Really.
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goldmember said:
I'd be curious to read about that, since I'm currently cutting. Got any reports readily reachable?
lol this is too much fun.
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9cyclops9 said:
POPULARITY IS NOT A MEASURE OF TRUTH
you do need whey pwo and you do need carbs pwo but you do not need HIGH GI index carbs low-meidum will do just fine and provide more nutrients in the proccess.....
wait everyone is doing it?? oh so it must be rite oh ok...yeah dude High GI carbs are deff needed pwo......:s
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DWTS00 said:
I never said anything about that. I mean, that statement sounds good and all, but it has nothing to do with what I said.
I didn't say anything about "need." I said it is "recommended." You don't "need" anything post-workout. What we're talking about is "what is most effective to take post-workout?" And high-GI carbs have been conclusively proven beyond any reasonable, educated doubt to be superior for this purpose. You should be getting plenty of the nutrients you need at other times of the day.
No, more like "Oh wait, the best nutritionists in the world recommend it, and their recommendations are based on extensive research conclusively proving that it's the best way to do it? Oh so it must be right."
Ya know, good spelling and grammar. All that stuff.
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LMFAO
This thread is a complete joke, but I will try to salvage what is not.
CY, unfortunately, I cannot dig up any research per se, but I can try to explain what knowledge I have retained. Linoleic acid (LA) is a fatty acid that is converted to arachidonic acid (AA), which is further converted to prostglandin-2. This last step is achieved using an enzyme called delta-5-desaturase (and delta-6-desaturase). Unfortunately, these enzymes also convert alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) into EPA and DHA. Consumption of omega-3 fatty acids compete for this enzyme and it shows that omega-3's have 4-10 times the affinity for the delta-5/6-desaturase enzymes than does AA. This means less prostaglandin-2 production.
Less Prostaglandin production is a bad thing for muscle-building. Prostaglandins are responsible for the inflammation response, and are one of the causes of muscle soreness...not a big deal. Prostaglindins are also a direct stimulus for protein sysnthesis and cause an upregulation of androgen receptors in the muscle cells...BIG deal.
Udo Erasmus has a phenomenal book on this (and anything you would care to know about fats) called Fats that Heal Fats that Kill.
Consuming any type of omega-3, olive oil (or any other compound with anti-inflammatory compounds such as pineapple), peanut oil, NSAIDS, sesame oil, N-acetyl-cycsteine, CLA (competes for d-5/6-de also) while trying to be in an anabolic state is a bad thing. I would recommend a couple weeks of an anti-inflammatory diet followed by 6 weeks on an "inflammatory omega-6" diet. As long as bodybuilding is your goal. When your body senses a shift in its EFA balance for too long, it will make efforts to counteract those trends. Two weeks on fish oil, evening primrose oil, flax oil, sesame oil, olive oil, etc. will help to balance out the six weeks of eggs, steak, and liver.
The AA content is not the only benefit of steak, however. Steak also contains high levels of Carnitine which is very beneficial for fat loss. Not to mention the muscle-sparing creatine, glutamine, and other goodies :D
If you seriously need help finding some articles (please do a search yourself first) I would glady assist you, as I have access to many medical and sports medicine journals. It will take some time though, as my studies come first.
This thread is a complete joke, but I will try to salvage what is not.
CY, unfortunately, I cannot dig up any research per se, but I can try to explain what knowledge I have retained. Linoleic acid (LA) is a fatty acid that is converted to arachidonic acid (AA), which is further converted to prostglandin-2. This last step is achieved using an enzyme called delta-5-desaturase (and delta-6-desaturase). Unfortunately, these enzymes also convert alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) into EPA and DHA. Consumption of omega-3 fatty acids compete for this enzyme and it shows that omega-3's have 4-10 times the affinity for the delta-5/6-desaturase enzymes than does AA. This means less prostaglandin-2 production.
Less Prostaglandin production is a bad thing for muscle-building. Prostaglandins are responsible for the inflammation response, and are one of the causes of muscle soreness...not a big deal. Prostaglindins are also a direct stimulus for protein sysnthesis and cause an upregulation of androgen receptors in the muscle cells...BIG deal.
Udo Erasmus has a phenomenal book on this (and anything you would care to know about fats) called Fats that Heal Fats that Kill.
Consuming any type of omega-3, olive oil (or any other compound with anti-inflammatory compounds such as pineapple), peanut oil, NSAIDS, sesame oil, N-acetyl-cycsteine, CLA (competes for d-5/6-de also) while trying to be in an anabolic state is a bad thing. I would recommend a couple weeks of an anti-inflammatory diet followed by 6 weeks on an "inflammatory omega-6" diet. As long as bodybuilding is your goal. When your body senses a shift in its EFA balance for too long, it will make efforts to counteract those trends. Two weeks on fish oil, evening primrose oil, flax oil, sesame oil, olive oil, etc. will help to balance out the six weeks of eggs, steak, and liver.
The AA content is not the only benefit of steak, however. Steak also contains high levels of Carnitine which is very beneficial for fat loss. Not to mention the muscle-sparing creatine, glutamine, and other goodies :D
If you seriously need help finding some articles (please do a search yourself first) I would glady assist you, as I have access to many medical and sports medicine journals. It will take some time though, as my studies come first.
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Thanks!
No need, bro. You've given me more than enough to work with on my own. I've been considering buying Udo's book because I had heard great things about it, but now I just may have to go get it. Thanks very much.
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No need, bro. You've given me more than enough to work with on my own. I've been considering buying Udo's book because I had heard great things about it, but now I just may have to go get it. Thanks very much.
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worst part is i really ment for this thread to help some begginers out there...anyway i got some questions. I thought EPA and DHA were some of the best fats you can get and fish is a good source of it. And you said omega 3 is bad? Isn't tuna very high in omega 3 and that is a lifting staple. and you recommend a diet of increased omega 6s? we get so many of them so easily as it is. Just to make sure I am trying to learn more, so if i am wrong by all means explain. It seems i have underestimated your knowledge, wont do that again. thanks.
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I don't take offense by you "underestimating my knowledge" and please feel free to do so in the future. If you believed every word from who appears to know what they are talking about ON THE INTERNET then you will be chock-full of misinformation. Please question, make people clarify, and everyone learns more.im2manly said:
As for omega-3's, they are anti-inflammatory. This is a wonderful thing from a health standpoint, and is one of the reasons the Mediteranean people live so long...high amounts of olive oil (not an omega-3 containing oil, but anti-inflammatory polyphenols). However, the omega-6 fatty acids (arachidonic acid is best) contribute to muscle protein synthesis and upregulation of androgen receptors. Omega-3's will oppose this action. Like I said before, don't completely give up omega-3's; you can try as I suggested going 2 weeks on a high evening promrose (for GLA), flax, fish, sesame, and/or olive oil regiment, followed by 6 weeks of steak, eggs, and liver.
As for tuna, there are actually not a high concentration of EPA and DHA in tuna, as it is a low-fat food. The fat it DOES have is of the healthy variety, but like I said, not much to offer. Tuna is generally considered a bodybuilding staple not for it's fat content, but for its LACK thereof. Also, it is a high-protein food (aren't all meat and fish?) and if you want a natural source of omega-3's, go fresh caught salmon.
If you are worried about the overconsumption of omega-6's and underconsumption of omega-3's, you can be more cautious in your approach. At the bare minimum, you can consume omega-6's and omega-3's at different times. Maybe eggs for breakfast, steak for lunch, liver or roast for dinner, and then before bed, take your omega-3's to balance it out. So long as you do not exceed a 10:1 ratio of omega-6 : omega-3 you should be able to practice this routine indefinitely.
Certainly read Udo's book if you get a chance or have time. Fats that Heal Fats that Kill, by Udo Erasmus. It is the most comprehesive book on fats and overall human nutrition that has come out for lay people IMHO.
Good luck, and keep the questions coming
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were you talking about X factor by any chance?
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I'm not sure what you mean by X factor...is that some term coined by an armchair theorist trying to popularize a diet book? Please explain.im2manly said:
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definitly should go ahead and bump this up
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