prince Albert said:
Do you mean glycolysis, or gluconeogenesis?

gluconeogenesis the body uses the Glutamine to make glucose and use it as energy which would defeat the purpose of E cardio (empty stomach morning cardio)

Btw alot the studies done on l-glutamine were IV adminstration which WILL help Im skeptic about oral ingestion tho even tho there have been studies which proved they were a bit useful but the claims they make..Gimme a BREAK! 2grams increase levels by 400% :s

Im pretty sure if you eat enough protein and take some whey youll have enough if not a 500gram container for $15 should tell u wether u see any benefits or not.

Id take 5 grams pre workout(not cardio) and 5 grams glutamine peptides in the whey/oats shake or dex if ur gonna use it
 
DWTS00 said:
gluconeogenesis the body uses the Glutamine to make glucose and use it as energy which would defeat the purpose of E cardio (empty stomach morning cardio)

Btw alot the studies done on l-glutamine were IV adminstration which WILL help Im skeptic about oral ingestion tho even tho there have been studies which proved they were a bit useful but the claims they make..Gimme a BREAK! 2grams increase levels by 400% :s

Im pretty sure if you eat enough protein and take some whey youll have enough if not a 500gram container for $15 should tell u wether u see any benefits or not.

Id take 5 grams pre workout(not cardio) and 5 grams glutamine peptides in the whey/oats shake or dex if ur gonna use it

I queried what you said about the glutamine in this thread over at MT as i'd never heard that claim before,heres the thread http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_705576/mpage_3/tm.htm#908254
 
prince Albert said:
I queried what you said about the glutamine in this thread over at MT as i'd never heard that claim before,heres the thread http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_705576/mpage_3/tm.htm#908254

Man I never said MT had nething to do with the glutamine, just the clen is what I had beef with.

when I said the claims they make I meant supplement companies.

I didnt read nething from that thread, just took a quick glance at the cutting guide they have glutamine pre cardio, MONEY WASTE!

Also, theyre suggestnig a whey shake as soon as u finish cardio which is not the best.
The best thing would be a pro/fat meal 15 mins after or a pro/carb meal 40 mins after
 
DWTS00 said:
Man I never said MT had nething to do with the glutamine, just the clen is what I had beef with.

when I said the claims they make I meant supplement companies.

I didnt read nething from that thread, just took a quick glance at the cutting guide they have glutamine pre cardio, MONEY WASTE!

Also, theyre suggestnig a whey shake as soon as u finish cardio which is not the best.
The best thing would be a pro/fat meal 15 mins after or a pro/carb meal 40 mins after

Youve misunderstood,i'd never heard that claim you made about the glutamine so i asked in the last page of that thread and james sort of agrees with what your saying.
 
prince Albert said:
Youve misunderstood,i'd never heard that claim you made about the glutamine so i asked in the last page of that thread and james sort of agrees with what your saying.

yeah I read it, Man I gotta say ur tats are JUST FUCKING AWESOME :cool:

As soon as I get enough money Im gettin inked LMAO

the best thing to take pre cardio IMO would be an OTC fat burner like this

http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=3121 wont work wonders but Its very decent , u could try ECA but I personally dont reccomend it

try experimenting with B5 10 grams a day subjects who did take it lost alot of weight while only reducing calories a bit with no hunger,fatigue or anything
 
DWTS00 said:
yeah I read it, Man I gotta say ur tats are JUST FUCKING AWESOME :cool:

As soon as I get enough money Im gettin inked LMAO

the best thing to take pre cardio IMO would be an OTC fat burner like this

http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=3121 wont work wonders but Its very decent , u could try ECA but I personally dont reccomend it

try experimenting with B5 10 grams a day subjects who did take it lost alot of weight while only reducing calories a bit with no hunger,fatigue or anything

Lol i'm a bit of a tattoo whore.

Ive used eca stack on and off for years and really rate it,why don't you like it,ive used high dose b5 while on cycle before to help with acne.
 
prince Albert said:
Lol i'm a bit of a tattoo whore.

Ive used eca stack on and off for years and really rate it,why don't you like it,ive used high dose b5 while on cycle before to help with acne.

well caffiene fvcks me up and I get addicted to it real quick and start craving cigs, ephedrine (never tried it) but from my research when u quit it u get lazy, crave cigs(a PT I knew smoked like fuck when he was off), and prostate weakning I mean it does have a place in BBing and is suitable for some people but not me.

for the acne and ingrown hairs try this!

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202309&postcount=12
 
DWTS00 said:
dude did you try oats and whey pwo?? I have and I have also tried dex+whey they both work! Im not saying dex doesnt work...IT DOES! but oats +whey work just as fine without causing an unneeded insulin spike try it for a month or 2 then decide...if u still "feel" better with dex stick to it you prob wont face any blood sugar probs as long as the rest of ur diet is clean but I hate junk and slin spikes for no reason so yeah..... LMAO


Still that is gr8 info most ppl dont know half of that stuff u posted no wonder 70% are overweight :s

neway good luck and try the Oats+whey LMAO
An insulin spike is benefitial (and will help you retain muscle when dieting) so long as it only occurs within a short period after intense weight training.

Also, keep the red meat and egg yolk intake reasonably high without going over on calores. They will also help you retain muscle while dieting due to their arachidonic acid content. Stay away from olive oil, NSAIDS, fish oil, sesame oil, and/or flax oil. These will lower prostaglandin production which is important when trying to maintain muscle.
 
Another strategy to try and GAIN muscle while cutting naturally is protein cycling. Three days of low-protein, followed by three high days will sacrifice labile liver protein for more protected muscle protein. On the low protein days, you will lose liver proteins and on the high prtein days you will retain more nitrogen that will be deposited in muscle. It works. Try it. About 0.5g/Lb of bodyweight on protein three days (higher carbs) and 1.5 g/lb bodyweight protein on the three high days. Stay around 1500-2000 calories.
 
goldmember said:
An insulin spike is benefitial (and will help you retain muscle when dieting) so long as it only occurs within a short period after intense weight training.

Also, keep the red meat and egg yolk intake reasonably high without going over on calores. They will also help you retain muscle while dieting due to their arachidonic acid content. Stay away from olive oil, NSAIDS, fish oil, sesame oil, and/or flax oil. These will lower prostaglandin production which is important when trying to maintain muscle.

Flax seed oil is the healthiest oil available, and is the best source for healthy fats? Where do you plan on getting your efa from?
 
im2manly said:
Flax seed oil is the healthiest oil available, and is the best source for healthy fats? Where do you plan on getting your efa from?
This is partially true, although you could argue what oil is best for each individual depending on w3:w6 needs and individual conversion issues. Don't Penis EnlargementRMANENTLY forego taking w3's and the like, only for short periods of time. w3's inhibit the inflammatory response (prostaglandin 2) and this is the stimulus that upregulates androgen receptors in the muscle cells, and is also a direct protein synthesis stimulus. Get your arachidonic acid from red meat and eggs (an w6 fatty acid).
 
Just a comment about aspartame and other coal tar salts that trick the body into thinking it's eating something sweet:

I have reams of information on this, and groups like "Nutrition and Fitness Board," or American Dietetics, or dozens of these so-called "Official" diet and fitness ghurus are organizations funded by companies like Monsanto and DuPont. Don't be a sucker.

If you want an unblemished report that is not biased (and Im2manly said it also) then you would want someone that YOU KNOW has no dog in that fight. So any group that you don't KNOW who controls it, should be mentioned accordingly. So, if you want to mention somebody like "Nutrition and Fitness Board," then say, "I don't know the origin of this group, but...."

On the other hand, We all know about Weston Price. There's no problem there. Here's another one: http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

These people have no axe to grind, either. We KNOW they don't make a dime on aspartame.

Like I said, however, I know of dozens of documented cases, including an airline pilot who would only order diet Cokes to drink during a flight, and who died of Liver disease, directly attributed to aspartame. (Some people are far more susceptible than others).

But why not use good ol' common sense for a change? Neither Splenda, (yes, I said Splenda and I also have a lot of information on that, too) or HFCS, or SweetnLow, or anything like that could be good for you, because it wasn't intended to be. It was intended to treat your conscience, for all those, Ahem, (idiots) who attributed their weight gains strictly to sugar.

If you will simply go by the principles of diet, you will see that too much of anything will start cascading against you and then you cannot stop the avalanche. But I'm getting into principles, and I realize we are talking specific supplements, so... really sorry about that.

What I do is start with the principle, and then build on it. But I also realize that few Americans want to start there. That's why it's so hard to tell them where to begin.
 
Formysweetie said:
Just a comment about aspartame and other coal tar salts that trick the body into thinking it's eating something sweet:

I have reams of information on this, and groups like "Nutrition and Fitness Board," or American Dietetics, or dozens of these so-called "Official" diet and fitness ghurus are organizations funded by companies like Monsanto and DuPont. Don't be a sucker.

If you want an unblemished report that is not biased (and Im2manly said it also) then you would want someone that YOU KNOW has no dog in that fight. So any group that you don't KNOW who controls it, should be mentioned accordingly. So, if you want to mention somebody like "Nutrition and Fitness Board," then say, "I don't know the origin of this group, but...."

On the other hand, We all know about Weston Price. There's no problem there. Here's another one: http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

These people have no axe to grind, either. We KNOW they don't make a dime on aspartame.

Like I said, however, I know of dozens of documented cases, including an airline pilot who would only order diet Cokes to drink during a flight, and who died of Liver disease, directly attributed to aspartame. (Some people are far more susceptible than others).

But why not use good ol' common sense for a change? Neither Splenda, (yes, I said Splenda and I also have a lot of information on that, too) or HFCS, or SweetnLow, or anything like that could be good for you, because it wasn't intended to be. It was intended to treat your conscience, for all those, Ahem, (idiots) who attributed their weight gains strictly to sugar.

If you will simply go by the principles of diet, you will see that too much of anything will start cascading against you and then you cannot stop the avalanche. But I'm getting into principles, and I realize we are talking specific supplements, so... really sorry about that.

What I do is start with the principle, and then build on it. But I also realize that few Americans want to start there. That's why it's so hard to tell them where to begin.

From the anti-aspartame site:
seizures and convulsions
dizziness
tremors
migraines and severe headaches (Trigger or Cause From Chronic Intake)
memory loss (common toxicity effects)
slurring of speech
confusion
numbness or tingling of extremities
chronic fatigue
depression
insomnia
irritability
panic attacks (common aspartame toxicity reaction)
marked personality changes
phobias
rapid heart beat, tachycardia (another frequent reaction)
astHydromaxa
chest pains
hypertension (high blood pressure)
nausea or vomitting
diarrhea
abdominal pain
swallowing pain
itching
hives / urticaria
other allergic reactions
blood sugar control problems (e.g., hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia)
menstrual cramps and other menstraul problems or changes
impotency and sexual problems
food cravings
weight gain
hair loss / baldness or thinning of hair
burning urination & other urination problems
excessive thirst or excessive hunger
bloating, edema (fluid retention)
infection susceptibility
joint pain
brain cancer (Pre-approval studies in animals)
death


WUT A LOAD OF CRAP

I can make claims about nething I want its a free fucking country but can i back my claims up thats the question u should be asking

I have posted studies which have shown aspartame to be 100% safe lets see studies which show aspartame causes death yeah rite :s
 
goldmember said:
An insulin spike is benefitial (and will help you retain muscle when dieting) so long as it only occurs within a short period after intense weight training.

Also, keep the red meat and egg yolk intake reasonably high without going over on calores. They will also help you retain muscle while dieting due to their arachidonic acid content. Stay away from olive oil, NSAIDS, fish oil, sesame oil, and/or flax oil. These will lower prostaglandin production which is important when trying to maintain muscle.

Why do you say that about insulin? i have read studies and seen no diff between high GI carbs and Low GI carbs and have tried both methods for @least 2 months

No difference at all:)

while I do agree about keeping red meat Intake and egg yolk intake reasonable without going over on calories you do need some mono-polyunsat fats in ur diet
 
DWTS00 said:
Why do you say that about insulin? i have read studies and seen no diff between high GI carbs and Low GI carbs and have tried both methods for @least 2 months

No difference at all:)
It's a well-known (and well-documented) fact that high levels of amino acids and carbs after a workout are very anabolic and the insulin spike will be targeted toward the muslces opposed to fat. Glucose (polymers or monomers) are the best way to raise insulin levels.
 
goldmember said:
It's a well-known (and well-documented) fact that high levels of amino acids and carbs after a workout are very anabolic and the insulin spike will be targeted toward the muslces opposed to fat. Glucose (polymers or monomers) are the best way to raise insulin levels.

Well known doesnt mean shit I mean millions actually billions follow some sort of religion... doesnt make it right u know... Popularity is not a measure of truth as for well documented Id love to see some proof :)
 
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WUT A LOAD OF CRAP

I can make claims about nething I want its a free fucking country but can i back my claims up thats the question u should be asking

I have posted studies which have shown aspartame to be 100% safe lets see studies which show aspartame causes death yeah rite :s[/QUOTE]


Well, I'll just see that, and raise you this:

http://www.mercola.com/forms/sweet_misery.htm

After you watch this video, you won't be so sure, I'm bettin.
 
Formysweetie said:
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WUT A LOAD OF CRAP

I can make claims about nething I want its a free fucking country but can i back my claims up thats the question u should be asking

I have posted studies which have shown aspartame to be 100% safe lets see studies which show aspartame causes death yeah rite :s


Well, I'll just see that, and raise you this:

http://www.mercola.com/forms/sweet_misery.htm

After you watch this video, you won't be so sure, I'm bettin.[/QUOTE]

Thats not a study just one mans opinion,little tip any article,research paper worth its salt will have a reference list.

Disclaimer: The entire contents of this website are based upon the opinions of Dr. Mercola.
 
Man Im not gonna read that...dude you can find sites that back up almost ne claim just how many are legit??

http://www.scientology.org/

http://www.tv-showroom.com/html/AbShaper.htm

www.muscletech.com

Man I have been using aspartame since I was 13 switched to splenda recently cuz of the taste and its more available now thats it no other reason.

the only situation where aspartame is bad is phenyl-lneoutrics (sp?) who cant tolerate it but thats about it
 
DWTS00 said:
Well known doesnt mean shit I mean millions actually billions follow some sort of religion... doesnt make it right u know... Popularity is not a measure of truth as for well documented Id love to see some proof :)
I respect when people have an alternate viewpoint BUT WHEN THEY ARE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO NOT READ WHAT IS PUT BLATANTLY BEFORE ONE'S EYES, they are a fool. What part of "WELL-DOCUMENTED FACT" doesn't make sense to you?! There are NUMEROUS studies that (here's that word again...listen up!) DOCUMENT the beneficial impact of insulin on muscle post-resistance-training. I don't have to dig up any of these NUMEROUS studies for you, as they are readily accessible through many reputable biochemistry and sport medicine journals. Do your research, and quit bitching.
 
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