You're right DLD. I used to hit p.e. very hard, and I would never gain no matter what I did. I got to the point where I believed it would never work for me, then I recently got back into it a couple months ago. I've been gaining like crazy since I got back into the game. It feels good because I'm white/fillipino, and I've always heard people say asians got small dicks. Next time I hear this I will whip it out, lol. Going for that 8 next about to do my routine and follow up with a light pumping session.