Keeping Up With Rocky

I was referring to your 6.25", lol

I like using size increases because it's quantitative, empirical and leaves zero question, but this also opens the door for the 'fudge factor'. I'm not certain there's any other way to do it, tho
 
Big Schwanz Acht;718052 said:
I was referring to your 6.25", lol

I like using size increases because it's quantitative, empirical and leaves zero question, but this also opens the door for the 'fudge factor'. I'm not certain there's any other way to do it, tho
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Gotcha, yeah thats the upside I see from going with measurement and also that it greatly simplifies the judging process. But also though it is quantitative it does get subjective, because you can't judge a vet the same way you will judge a newbie.

The voting thing though its not quantitative, it does limit the fudge factor. And people sort of have control of who wins, and we are all honest the right person should win. Also the judging process wont exist because it will be a point based system.
 
rocky1243;718055 said:
Gotcha, yeah thats the upside I see from going with measurement and also that it greatly simplifies the judging process. But also though it is quantitative it does get subjective, because you can't judge a vet the same way you will judge a newbie.

The voting thing though its not quantitative, it does limit the fudge factor. And people sort of have control of who wins, and we are all honest the right person should win. Also the judging process wont exist because it will be a point based system.
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So how will you determine who has won?
 
doublelongdaddy;718082 said:
So how will you determine who has won?
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Well for this one weve only heard back from one of our judges, arkailija. We are still waiting for temp and longstretch. So for this first time we are going to see it through as it was layed out.

However DLD, youve been following all the journals closely. If you would like to help us out and make an executive descision on who should win this competition this first time. I don't think we would have any objections.

For future ones we are trying to figure out how to go about it, because this first time around the process was a little bumpy. I do still stand behind my initial gut feeling of needing to have multiple criterias to determine the winner.
 
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I am in favor of the multiple criterias determining the winner. Come on other judges! Surely you've had the spare time to go through the nominee journals.

The different criterias are important, for one:
If the competition is without pictures, anyone could claim the biggest gain and be the winner; can't see that as the most fair practise.
Consistency is a major part in many life changing aspects; journal wise, of course it's a big thing if the workouts are posted on a daily basis. But daily posting is only one criteria; the quality of the posting matters as well! I could see that if there's a competitor that maybe is able to post once a week, but a thorough post with the weekly course of workouts, I'd say that has to be taken into strong consideration while judging.

All in all; a little bit of competition can push many of us further in the process of growing. Growth isn't just physical, it can be mental based as well.

I salute all of you who joined in the competition! It can spark a light in others as well, to train harder.
 
I would not like to judge, I would rather some other senior member. I am enjoying looking on :) Temp and Long are around, hit them on the PM.
 
arkailija;718195 said:
I am in favor of the multiple criterias determining the winner. Come on other judges! Surely you've had the spare time to go through the nominee journals.

The different criterias are important, for one:
If the competition is without pictures, anyone could claim the biggest gain and be the winner; can't see that as the most fair practise.
Consistency is a major part in many life changing aspects; journal wise, of course it's a big thing if the workouts are posted on a daily basis. But daily posting is only one criteria; the quality of the posting matters as well! I could see that if there's a competitor that maybe is able to post once a week, but a thorough post with the weekly course of workouts, I'd say that has to be taken into strong consideration while judging.

All in all; a little bit of competition can push many of us further in the process of growing. Growth isn't just physical, it can be mental based as well.

I salute all of you who joined in the competition! It can spark a light in others as well, to train harder.
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Exactly. Posting everyday does not guarantee you win. Just like spamming the forum does not guarantee winning the poster of the month.

The criterias are as mentioned before.
1. Consistency
2. Routine quality
3. Gains

But there is truth to what BSA said, gains does simplify the judging process. Which has been a little slow this time. I do think we need to figure out how to make it more efficient, faster.

@DLD I know, if you change your mind let me know!
 
doublelongdaddy;718217 said:
I would not like to judge, I would rather some other senior member. I am enjoying looking on :) Temp and Long are around, hit them on the PM.
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No response yet. Yet to confirm their presence again.
 
1.consistency
2.routine quality
3.gains

This 3 are pretty good criteria, still easy to lie about it.
I rather not compete with a prize, but as rocky and BSA said it's mike's generosity which I really appreciate.



I think we should add pics before and after every comp,one measure for all bpfl and mseg?
Maybe no judges? if there's no one willing to(personally I'll be willing to judge) the competition will become bigger with time,maybe we should keep it under 10 people. we can all judge at some point,especially if someone already won.

If not judges, popular vote within the competitors



So this is my option to decide a winner.
1.MOST WINNER OF ROUTINE OF THE WEEK.(routine quality) 3 of these would be first place automatically
We should set the same day every week to post your vote, You have 24 hours to, whoever not posted clearly not committed, looses points if we go based on point system, this would be part of the consistency criteria.


Personally I don't always have time to log in my journal,plus i make the same routine all week, so rewrite doesn't work, I think BSA said the same, some maybe we can at least write up something to let know routine was done as proof of consistency(takes less than 4 mins)


2.BIGGEST GAINERS. If you went over certain amount of gain in a month you'll be first place

If there's a tie, winner we'll be decide by judges or competitors based on the 3 criterias. so your journal will be 50% gains 50%
I believe this is not the ultimate way to decide, hopefully we can come up with something from this.
Just an Idea
 
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The thing about the prize is that it will benefit a lot of people even though it does add a small layer of diffculty to a competition based on an honor system.Yeap you could lie but I don't think it would be that easy, it would definitely require a certain level of skill and knowledge. And remember you will have 10-15 people competing with you that will keep and eye on you. But at some point we do have to trust our members, is just that if the requirement is only a measurement with no picture thats just too easy to lie. And by trying to solve a small problem we might start world war 3 on this forum, people calling each other out etc.

The thing with the pics is that most people including myself don't feel comfortable doing that, so off the bat you will loose a lot a of people. And again, I we do have to trust our members to an extent I don't believe they have bad intentions this is more about prevention.

Agreed eliminating the judging process would be ideal, I suggested a points system based on votes. This would also solve that issue of having too many people, but I don't think that will be a problem hopefully it does become a problem. Having 15+20 active journals on this forum going at it hard would be great. Anyways got any ideas for this?

Thanks for the feedback bro.
 
Point system, I thought of it too, Let me think about it, and i'll hit you up in the morning I'm about to hit the bed.. have a great night y'all.
No prob man my pleasure, I really like the purpose, we just gotta tune up the system.
 
Also I was thinking adding more people to manage this competition with me, these guys would also be involved on the decision making(and will not be eligible for a prize).Its a bit of work to do it all on my own.

Here are the positions/tasks that I could definitely use some help with.

1. Schedule keeping:
Reminding everyone to vote for things, submit measurements etc. by posting on this thread and on their journals.

2. Collecting and compiling the information:
Compiling the measurements, votes etc.

3. Recruiting:
Recruiting participants, judges etc. Maybe even being a judge themselves in the case and external judge was not found.

Just an idea, if anyone is interested in helping with this.
 
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the boss!;718309 said:
1.consistency
2.routine quality
3.gains

This 3 are pretty good criteria, still easy to lie about it.
I rather not compete with a prize, but as rocky and BSA said it's mike's generosity which I really appreciate.



I think we should add pics before and after every comp,one measure for all bpfl and mseg?
Maybe no judges? if there's no one willing to(personally I'll be willing to judge) the competition will become bigger with time,maybe we should keep it under 10 people. we can all judge at some point,especially if someone already won.

If not judges, popular vote within the competitors



So this is my option to decide a winner.
1.MOST WINNER OF ROUTINE OF THE WEEK.(routine quality) 3 of these would be first place automatically
We should set the same day every week to post your vote, You have 24 hours to, whoever not posted clearly not committed, looses points if we go based on point system, this would be part of the consistency criteria.


Personally I don't always have time to log in my journal,plus i make the same routine all week, so rewrite doesn't work, I think BSA said the same, some maybe we can at least write up something to let know routine was done as proof of consistency(takes less than 4 mins)


2.BIGGEST GAINERS. If you went over certain amount of gain in a month you'll be first place

If there's a tie, winner we'll be decide by judges or competitors based on the 3 criterias. so your journal will be 50% gains 50%
I believe this is not the ultimate way to decide, hopefully we can come up with something from this.
Just an Idea
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This simplifies the whole 'judge' issue and, (if it were me) I'd be hesitant about 'judging' anyone...especially a topic as sensitive as this. Picture/proof is also a slippery-slope, privacy is a major concern (although I have several within my routine thread) and respecting this should be paramount, as well.
I cast my vote for the point system...I'm open to whatever criterion the group chooses.
 
rocky1243;718314 said:
Also I was thinking adding more people to manage this competition with me, these guys would also be involved on the decision making(and will not be eligible for a prize).Its a bit of work to do it all on my own.

Here are the positions/tasks that I could definitely use some help with.

1. Schedule keeping:
Reminding everyone to vote for things, submit measurements etc. by posting on this thread and on their journals.

2. Collecting and compiling the information:
Compiling the measurements, votes etc.

3. Recruiting:
Recruiting participants, judges etc. Maybe even being a judge themselves in the case and external judge was not found.

Just an idea, if anyone is interested in helping with this.
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Would it be helpful to just have a new thread for each competition-period? Similar to our 'Poster of the Month'? Maybe set it up as a 'Poll' where we can cast our vote and it'll keep a running tally? Have a set number of days that the poll is open, and then add-'em up :) That would keep it from getting buried/muddled within the 'Keeping-up' thread and simplify things. yea/nay?
 
rocky1243;718312 said:
The thing about the prize is that it will benefit a lot of people even though it does add a small layer of diffculty to a competition based on an honor system.Yeap you could lie but I don't think it would be that easy, it would definitely require a certain level of skill and knowledge. And remember you will have 10-15 people competing with you that will keep and eye on you. But at some point we do have to trust our members, is just that if the requirement is only a measurement with no picture thats just too easy to lie. And by trying to solve a small problem we might start world war 3 on this forum, people calling each other out etc.

The thing with the pics is that most people including myself don't feel comfortable doing that, so off the bat you will loose a lot a of people. And again, I we do have to trust our members to an extent I don't believe they have bad intentions this is more about prevention.

Agreed eliminating the judging process would be ideal, I suggested a points system based on votes. This would also solve that issue of having too many people, but I don't think that will be a problem hopefully it does become a problem. Having 15+20 active journals on this forum going at it hard would be great. Anyways got any ideas for this?

Thanks for the feedback bro.
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Pictures needed soon if it's a monthly thing with prizes coming in from DLD and this'll be hopefully with as much evidence as possible :)
 
kyomoto;718375 said:
Pictures needed soon if it's a monthly thing with prizes coming in from DLD and this'll be hopefully with as much evidence as possible :)
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Proof is in the pictures.
 
DLD, just shot you my pics for my progress thread, there's my proof. About .25" in a little over 30 days. I thought I posted link here, can again if necessary.
 
Picture proof is going to be a problem, most people including myself are not going to participate if thats a requirement. Plus I agree with BSA in a sense, we have to be able to trust our members to some extent.

On another note, I have an UPDATE.

Templnite is not responding to PMs or forum posts so I guess he is not judging.

BUUUT Munto stepped up and gave in his decision today. So far Arkailija and Munto each picked a different winner, and to be honest I can't disagree with either one. Longstrech had a surgery today, but he said he will give his decision tomorrow, I do not want to put any pressure on him I did not know he was going through a surgery so if he needs more time he can have it. But it will be interesting cause he can either break the tie or make a three way tie in which case I suppose we would have to vote for it.
 
lehmo7;718497 said:
DLD, just shot you my pics for my progress thread, there's my proof. About .25" in a little over 30 days. I thought I posted link here, can again if necessary.
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I posted on your thread about this competition before it started and you never acknowledged it, and you never participated on this thread either. You can sign up for the next one though.

So I was thinking what BSA said about starting a new thread for the Routine of the week, I think the routine of the week covers the criteria of "routine quality". And it is its own competition so it should have its own thread, I will make it once we restart the competition. Anyways I was thinking how about you guys start sister competitions that cover other criterias of your choosing, these would run weekly, monthly whatever you want. But they will be considered when picking the winner for Keeping Up With Rocky in a 2 month period. At the end we just add everything up and see who won, so everyone knows where they stand.
 
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