Ice has shown to be better than heat for Stretching.A case for cold water pumping.
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mwwip;687839 said:
You can not do this with soap, it is going to really dry your penis out and cause pealing and cracking. Use an oil based lube like Vaseline and this will keep you supple and will actually last a lot longer than what you are using.
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I have that posted in one of postings on the science of it, though I'd have to go look. I also found more information as I said I want to update with new information and science I found . It partially due to the constant contracting and expansion from the hunting effect forcing fluid out , and the soft tissue being contract from the cold that doesn't allow it to set in. My wording is pretty terrible and sounds all bro since I don't have my paper explaining why and how with me and cant remember where I posted it at exactly.
On weather I think it gives gains yes I do. I tested on me for a little while before posting this thread, but didn't Really commit till I posted this and kept finding more info. If I still had a bathmate I'd keep at it.
I said this before but I think the biggest thing that people might think it doesn't work is the less fluid retention. You come out of a cold pump and it doesn't look as big as a hot pump you instantly think it's not effective cause some assume fluid retention is expansion.Leaving the pump cold an also cause some turtling and why I recommend the last pump session be or add a hot warm up session at the end.
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ma999;687977 said:
Very good point, almost a placebo affect from the warm water, people thinking more "pump" = more gains
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Only logic I can see in this argument that favours cold water, is hotter temperature leads to more blood flow
with that said it would be wise to suggest that since blood flow is minimal or not as much, as with hot water
It is the tissues getting stretched, not just being filled up with blood.
Also the penis tends to shrink in colder climes/conditions, so if stretched in a shrunken state,
when it returns to its normal state we should see a considerable mount of expansion which might become permanent in due time.
Hmm, this gives me an idea hanging in a very cold ventilated room with AC turned to the max.
with that said it would be wise to suggest that since blood flow is minimal or not as much, as with hot water
It is the tissues getting stretched, not just being filled up with blood.
Also the penis tends to shrink in colder climes/conditions, so if stretched in a shrunken state,
when it returns to its normal state we should see a considerable mount of expansion which might become permanent in due time.
Hmm, this gives me an idea hanging in a very cold ventilated room with AC turned to the max.
On reduced fluid. The hunting response works as an alternating process of Vasocontstrion than dilation. The Vasocontstrion cycle is what helps push out the fluid causes it's constrict it out on how ice reduces swelling. So the constant cycling of dilation and constriction is cycling fluid out.
The vasodillation and expansion caused by the the hunting response caused by the cold actually increases vasodillation, and increases blood flow, and allows the smooth muscle to relax more for expansion. It's a cycle of constant expanding and contraction.The tissue shrinkage is also what helps trap and raise the internal temperature. This is the confusing part even though it's talking about cold, heat is still a major part.The stretching studies I posted earlier explain that is how cold was allowing muscles to stretch farther cause the Vasodillation greatly increase internal temperature better than an outside heat source. Heat is still the the key to stretching but the cold is allowing it to happen.Though they say they are not sure why this works.As for soft tissue and collagen I think direct heat might still be better for hanging and stretching. Though the studies all posted are on cold stretching but on hamstring muscles and ligaments.
Mods if I was to able to re write my main post more clear could it be re added to the first page?
The vasodillation and expansion caused by the the hunting response caused by the cold actually increases vasodillation, and increases blood flow, and allows the smooth muscle to relax more for expansion. It's a cycle of constant expanding and contraction.The tissue shrinkage is also what helps trap and raise the internal temperature. This is the confusing part even though it's talking about cold, heat is still a major part.The stretching studies I posted earlier explain that is how cold was allowing muscles to stretch farther cause the Vasodillation greatly increase internal temperature better than an outside heat source. Heat is still the the key to stretching but the cold is allowing it to happen.Though they say they are not sure why this works.As for soft tissue and collagen I think direct heat might still be better for hanging and stretching. Though the studies all posted are on cold stretching but on hamstring muscles and ligaments.
Mods if I was to able to re write my main post more clear could it be re added to the first page?
"After a number of minutes,the blood vessels re-open (dilate) allowing blood to return to the area. This phase is followed by another period of vasoconstriction- this process of vasoconstriction followed by dilation is known as the Hunting Response.
Although blood still flows into the area the amount of swelling is significantly less than if ice is not applied. This decreased swelling or edema, allows more movement in the muscle and so lessens the functional loss associated with the injury."
Although blood still flows into the area the amount of swelling is significantly less than if ice is not applied. This decreased swelling or edema, allows more movement in the muscle and so lessens the functional loss associated with the injury."
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So I've been doing cold pumping for about a month now, and I'm pretty sold on the benefits, enough that I don't even consider going for warm water now. I always use ice to bring the temp down as much as I can.
More consistent expansion, less pain, kegels feel more "solid", much less fluid retention (if any), and I come out of the pump with the same size post-pump flaccid that I did with warm water... what's not to like.
Whether it will lead directly to more size I don't know yet, and I should note that I'm pumping mainly because I have much better clamping sessions when I combine them. I pump earlier in the day, usually only 2x5 mins, and then clamp at night.
Just ordered a vacu vin, so I'll be able to push it a bit harder soon.
(I have added about an 1/8 inch girth in the last 2 months doing the pumping / clapping combo, I can't attribute that to the cold pumping though)
More consistent expansion, less pain, kegels feel more "solid", much less fluid retention (if any), and I come out of the pump with the same size post-pump flaccid that I did with warm water... what's not to like.
Whether it will lead directly to more size I don't know yet, and I should note that I'm pumping mainly because I have much better clamping sessions when I combine them. I pump earlier in the day, usually only 2x5 mins, and then clamp at night.
Just ordered a vacu vin, so I'll be able to push it a bit harder soon.
(I have added about an 1/8 inch girth in the last 2 months doing the pumping / clapping combo, I can't attribute that to the cold pumping though)
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