DLD... current size???

LOL! If we're gonna look twice at that Glorysizer post, let's at least look at my response.

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=159692&postcount=28

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Belive WTF you want, I dont care.
I dont see why we must shoot pictures with rulers and tape in them to prove what size we are.
Many members have seen my pix next to a coke can and even they say its the real deal....which it is.
Belive what you must, I aint lieing about anything anf the whole admiration thing is bullshit.

Also, would I be so STUPID to claim such stats and shoot pix on these forums, knowing intelligent guys can see them and pick them apart for lies.
Anyone can see its huge, sure its RARE girth that I have, but I WORKED for it.

AncientChina said:

Again this issue isn't something I pay huge amounts of mental capacity too

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Damn, then I would like to see what is something you put huge amounts of mental capacity into. You have written a books worth in this thread alone.:D

We are doing serious things to our dick by practicing Penis Enlargement. Real proof is necessary to better the "science" and credibility of Penis Enlargement. Claiming such stats and gains with no true proof is akin to such behavior one would expect to see at LPSG.org. I thought we were better than that at MOS. I feel if you have made large gains, and wish to state them on the forum, you owe some sort of tangible proof.

@ RED: First off, you are a great addition to this forum and you add a lot. I have always respected and enjoyed your ideas and methods on Penis Enlargement. I have looked at your pics again, and you may indeed have a girth of around 7 inches or whatever you claim. You definitely appear to have a large girth. What is so hard about posting a clear measured pic showing off your hard earned girth? It would save you trouble in the long run, and put you up there among the ranks of SWM and other believable Penis Enlargementers. I really do want to believe in you and your constrictors. Unlike DLD, IMO you have little to lose and all to gain by doing this. Please don't take offense to this, I still love you RED. :D

This shouldn't have to be such an offensive matter. I think it is an important matter to discuss however.

Side note:

In life it is rarely healthy to have blind faith in anything. I have always wanted proof for everything, and consider myself to be quite a skeptic. It is my nature and I cannot help this. I urge everyone to never take anything as "gospel", and investigate everything for yourself. If you live your life accepting everything you hear as truth without proof, I seriously question your intellect.

(Maybe I am taking this forum and Penis Enlargement too seriously) lol

Yeah, I just don't see the problem with saying "prove it" every once in a while. I don't think the forum would turn into some kind of vortex of scathing negativity. People can either do it or not, it just seems so weak to post an enormous size or gain or whatever, then complain when guys want to see some proof. What do people expect?

Most are skeptics by nature, not everybody wants to take everything on good faith, and if you claim something truly impressive, people will want some verification. If some guy tells me a hundred times that he has the absolute hottest girlfriend out there, hands down, but he won't let anybody see her, then the natural instinct is suspicion. It's pretty easy to post clear, measured pictures. It's a lot easier to lie and spot yourself some extra size. It's not always so easy to be honest with yourself. How's that for wishy-washy . . .

Anyway, I guess the point is that backing your claims up is nice because, even if we should all be so mature as to not care if guys want to lie, it is our natural reaction to be bothered by it. On a forum where the regulars seem to pride themselves on being a bit more advanced than the average, it seems reasonable to be really progressive and lift the taboo on ever questioning what anybody claims. Maybe I'm childish, no doubt about it actually, but it bugs me when guys run around claiming the big numbers and then refuse to clearly verify, AND complain if anybody suspects they might not be totally honest. I think the ruler spoils the fun for a lot of guys, end of story.

Sorry guys, I lied. I'm not 6 7/8" BP, I'm really 10 7/8" BP. :s Seriously though, when I get to my goal size or anywhere near it I'm going to prove it in whatever way needed because I think that people should know without a doubt that Penis Enlargement is possible. DLD, imagine the insane amount of money you could make if you proved/documented your gains. If the FCC would allow it, can you imagine the reaction you would get if you had it measured on national TV by Kelly Ripa on Regis and Kelly? That would be cool as hell. I know thats just a pipe dream but maybe it could happen in the future as things become more and more liberal. Oh well, I believe you DLD. Your gains are a hell of an inspiration to me and the majority of guys on this site.

FWIW, it is impossible to take a pic of a girth measurement using a tape, that would prove girth irrevocably. Because more than half of the tape is out of sight, there is no way to tell for sure that it's really snug. I think that I could probably video taking the camera 360 degrees around my dick, and still "cheat" with a tape if I wanted to. Further, since dicks are generally wider not cylindrical, from the right angle a dick could appear near the size of a coke can yet be considerably less circumference.

I do agree that near 7" girth or greater is extremely rare, yet they do exist. I've seen some amateur pics and videos, and the ones with huge girth usually weren't that long. In a group sex scene, there was a guy with what looked like around 9" length, and near 6" girth. Another guy's dick appeared to be no more than 6" or 7" NBP, but was extremely thick - had to be near 7". The girl in the video made the comment "this feels like a Big Mac!" while holding it with both hands. And the short fat dick got a lot more response from her than the long one

Hmm. The one thing I applaud in all this is that, from appearances, everyone seems to be genuinely interested in making MoS a better place. The motivations seem pure, and the goal is good. There are many, many forums (internet and otherwise) where motivations and the goals are not good.

It might be worth considering, though, whether this particular debate is going to leave such a bad taste in the members' mouths, that the noble goals will never be attained. Or in other words, the discussion is so unpleasant that people will just bail and miss out on any possible benefit. It's like those TV commercials that show starving children -- yes, I feel sympathy and think I should probably send them some money; but in 100% honesty, my first reaction is to change the channel because images are so disturbing.

Everyone being completely honest on the forum would be better than not everyone being honest. We just need to find a way to get there without scaring people away.

FWIW.

PS: I want to say that I choose to believe everyone at face value until proof to the contrary exists. This philosophy is no more or less valid than its opposite, which I've lived under in the past, but at the end of the day I feel better about my world.

8x6woodBgood said:

It might be worth considering, though, whether this particular debate is going to leave such a bad taste in the members' mouths, that the noble goals will never be attained. Or in other words, the discussion is so unpleasant that people will just bail and miss out on any possible benefit. It's like those TV commercials that show starving children -- yes, I feel sympathy and think I should probably send them some money; but in 100% honesty, my first reaction is to change the channel because images are so disturbing.

Everyone being completely honest on the forum would be better than not everyone being honest. We just need to find a way to get there without scaring people away.

FWIW.

PS: I want to say that I choose to believe everyone at face value until proof to the contrary exists. This philosophy is no more or less valid than its opposite, which I've lived under in the past, but at the end of the day I feel better about my world.

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You said that better than I ever could. I tried, just a couple posts ago, but it didn't come across anything as good as that!

My feeling is that people will always exagerate and there's no way around it. I just don't agree with the complaining when guys happen to question their claims. I feel like if you state an impressive figure, you know it will catch attention and some will want proof, so no whining when the inevitable comes to pass.

I also agree that girth measurement could easily be faked. I think that probably gets bullshitted around just as much as length by some, but like you point out, there's not much to be done. It's not a huge issue, but seriously, there's no harm in asking a guy who just tosses around massive length or girth if he can prove it.

The idea of an environment that could possibly question claims is a scary one, because I think ultimately a pretty good percentage out there are full of shit. Doesn't necessarily hurt anybody, but sure doesn't help anyone either. And, the more guys that can prove they're mature adults and don't spend their time leading some kind of penis based fantasy on the internet, the better the site and Penis Enlargement look as a whole. Like another poster said, when people just run around stating wild sizes and gains and refuse to verify, it sure makes it look a lot like some other less credible internet groups.

But on the same hypocritical side of things to worry about something as artificial as the size of your penis, to scream about accuracy in measurement and all these other things associated with it, it just doesn't make sense why if I claim to have a 6.5 when I have a 6.25 what does that honestly matter. I could be embarrased to share that size so I bump it a bit, now I will give you someone claiming 8 + could provide info regarding how they got there as well as a pic or two. Why all the scrutiny though? What point is there to prove in all honesty by refuting someone's claim? What is there to be gained from it? Absolutely nothing.

I have made no radical claims, so I have no reason to step out and defend myself adimantly on any level. I'm merely stating the reality that IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW BIG YOUR Penis EnlargementNIS IS....it only matters to the owner. That is the truth when it comes right down to the bottom of the issue. Personally speaking I do not care if the guy standing next to me at the bus stop has a 10" wang, it does not effect my day, nor do I even think about life in that context, so this forum for me is no different. I really don't care, and it does not matter. I got into Penis Enlargement to see if I could make my average member into something more, and I have done just that, but I set a goal that I am working towards and I will be satisfied at that point. I realize that it is not for my wife nor for anyone else but me. Maybe Penis Enlargement can make progress with this more honest approach, and honest measurements being part of it, but it's been doing pretty well so far, so who is to make the change in policy since it's all free and out there for anyone to try?

I wouldn't say anybody is arguing for some kind of drastic 'policy change,' since I don't think there's a formal policy in the first place. What there is though, is an informal policy against ever questioning anything somebody posts, especially if they have posted a few times.

Like I said, my personal gripe is just when guys piss and moan about having their claims questioned when they refuse to prove it. I'm not sheepish about saying that I think this site is a lot like most everywhere else on the internet in that there are a lot of pretty sad saps hanging around pretending to have bigger dongs than they really do for some reason. I think this site doesn't have as many because of the generally mature attitude, but I think it would be even less so if the environment wasn't so totally permissive, and by that I mean not getting bent out of shape if somebody says "I don't quite believe that, can you prove it?"

Does bullshitting about size hurt anybody? Of course not. But like AC pointed out, this is a penis enlargement website, and many men are concerned about the size of other guys. I think the healthiest thing for any guy having penis size issues is to better understand what true averages are, and a site full of guys sitting around complaining that they're only 8X6 or whatever does create a different sort of atmosphere. If you don't think Penis Enlargement is all about penis size, then we've gone off the self-help metaphysical deep end around these parts.

There's tons of threads here wondering about the average size and guys complaining about a girl's possibly well-hung ex-lovers, and guys very much concerned with other guy's dicks. Not everybody cares, but plenty do, and I see it as pretty oversimplified to just say "hey, everybody should just be worried about themselves." That's not how it is in reality, and that's not even really how it is on this site.

millionman said:

...if I claim to have a 6.5 when I have a 6.25 what does that honestly matter. I could be embarrased to share that size so I bump it a bit...

What point is there to prove in all honesty by refuting someone's claim? What is there to be gained from it? Absolutely nothing.

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It matters if the Penis Enlargement community is trying to gain credibility. If there is an inherent permissiveness of misreporting, i.e. wink and nod at a fudge factor, then no one outside of our community is going to take what we do seriously. Granted, not everyone cares whether Penis Enlargement is ever taken seriously, but there are some here who do - hence the focus of this thread.

Btw, there is an easy way to confirm girth measurements: measure girth and width, either from the top only or from the side and top (then take the average). The penis is more or less a cylinder, so girth can be approximated mathematically from the diameter (width) measurement by multiplying it by pi.

width x 3.1416 = ~girth

Cheers!

Wow, that is right on the money. My width near the middle is 1.75" and that equates to a 5.5" girth.

Just my 2 cents...

I think some people here are honest and some are full of shit. Just like every other facet of life. You have your mods that have "power" egos here. Just like you have to deal with people like that in life. I don't get so wrapped up in it... I just don't care. If that's what these people need to give meaning to their life, then go for it.

I agree that if you claim a huge stat and refuse to post a measured pic, you should not whine about doubters questionig you. I'm not trying to turn this into Red-bashing thread, but if you look at his pics next to the can (a soft drink can is 4.75" tall btw), it doesn't look (to me) like he has another 3+" of dick below the can (hard to say for sure, but I tried to ID the vein patterns in both pics as a ref). Another thing, if you take the 2.1" wide comment from his sig and apply the std formula that Grave noted above you get a girth of just under 6.6". If the dick was a perfect cylinder, the width would have to be a hair over 2.25" to get 7.1". Does this prove he's not the size he claims? No, he may be as big as he claims, but it does give reason people to doubt. Red has every right not to post measured pics, but claiming huge size and posting crappy inconclusive pics is worse than no pics at all, to a lot of people.

Yes, it is hard for some to get a raging boner when taking a measured pic (I know from experience), but you can show a lot with a 80% hard on, or you can measure clamped, like Titelist did in his thread.

Overall, I really don't care that much. Do I think Red fudges his #s? Yes I do, but pobably not a lot. That doesn't mean he is not a valuable member of the forum. And as was noted earlier, unsubstantiated claims really don't do anything to legitimize Penis Enlargement to the outside world, but that's fine with me. I have no interest in it catching on widespread. If I were D, I would want Red to post some clear measured pics (even if not fully erect), BUT, then again, even if people do prove their huge sizes, you will still have doubters that say, 'He was just born big, Penis Enlargement didn't do that.' That's just human nature.

Good post Tex.

Texan said:

BUT, then again, even if people do prove their huge sizes, you will still have doubters that say, 'He was just born big, Penis Enlargement didn't do that.' That's just human nature.

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This is the point of documenting early, accurately, and consistently, but you're right, some people will just never believe that Penis Enlargement works.

Fuck 'em :D

The whole issue on the "policy" change was a reference to the growth state of Penis Enlargement as it is growing and continues to do so, as long as men are concerned with this area they will continue to seek out answers.

My whole point about whether or not someone is telling the truth is that if this guy wants to lie about it, and later be found to be a fraud then that is his business, as was the case with horsehung over at �other forum�. That was embarrassing to say the least, if you ask me. Again, does it really matter in my everyday life? Absolutely not, and in all honesty it should not matter what an ex-lovers size was, the reality is the woman is not with him, but with you. What most men fail to realize is that women respond to us, not us to them and that's one of the major areas where men can not seem to grasp reality. If you're asking your woman about some other guy and wanting to know blah blah blah, then she's going to see your insecurity and if it becomes a big enough issue she will grow weary of it and you and then she'll leave. Woman in many ways are an enigma to us, and that's the way we were made. They very much want a man to stand up and be a man, to lead the way. I hear that more often than not from girls that I know and am good friends with.

The best point I can make though is that we as men Penis Enlargement for ourselves and for our confidence. In some ways it involves the women in our lives, but it is not a reflection of us onto them, so don't make it that. Size is all in your head, so get over yourself and do the work, that's it.

As far as pics and what not, it's an issue, and one that I do not think has a resolution as long as people will and won't do certain things then we will never know, and the doubts won't be cleared up. That's just how it is.

Without getting into this debate I'd like to share some of my personal obstacles regarding measurement. Most of what I'm going to say is already posted on my progress log, but may be of interest to those that have not read it.

Here goes: While I don't have any difficulty measuring BPenis EnlargementL or EW, it is close to impossible for me to sustain an erection while trying to measure EG. My dick starts to go limp as soon as the measuring tape goes around. Forget about taking a picture - it just won't happen. Yes, this is obviously a psychological issue - not a physical one. I even went so far as to beg some viagra off my dad so I could measure my EG. I only got 4 pills and have used two already experimenting with my wife ( I gave her half a pill and took half myself the first time). I can get quick erections and maintain them for both sex and Penis Enlargement work. But touch that tape around my dick and watch the "world's fastest shrinking penis." This effect is worse when I am trying to take a picture or am concerned about gains. Because of this issue, I always try to be conservative when stating my EG. i.e. - I try to take the EG measurement as fast as I can before my dick goes limp.
lol
I have not tried to measure EG while on viagra yet, but will try eventually. Personally, I don't like the stuff.
One of these days I'd like to get my wife to be the one to measure my girth and try taking a picture that way. So far she has been resistant and won't help out.

In conclusion, until I can find a way to consistently and accurately measure EG, you won't be seeing any girth pics posted. I MAY post an erect pic when I hit 7" BPenis EnlargementL.

Regards,

HOOS

HOOSYODADDI said:

One of these days I'd like to get my wife to be the one to measure my girth and try taking a picture that way. So far she has been resistant and won't help out.

HOOS

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if i were to take pictures that is exactly what i would do...my girl knows i pe and make sure i am doing the exercises..cuz sometimes it is easy to slack off...when i want to measure...she holds the ruler for me...it would be great if everyone had somebody like that...but first i guess you have to be honest with your other...hoosyodaddi just keep asking be persistent but not pushy...let her know how much it would mean to you if she helped out...that might get her to relax