spinner2 said:
That would be fine, only this isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of science, and all of the science contradicts your statement. I don't understand why you'd bother to make these sorts of statements about something you don't understand.
You're being too arrogant for your own good. Your whole argument is that the penis should be in a deconditioned state to realize the most benefits from Chem Penis Enlargement .... according to what you feel is conclusive science. I already said, giving you benefit of doubt - fine - then make sure it is in a deconditioned state .... but in my opinion ... I'd suggest .... that one still not use Chem Penis Enlargement without having first tried a dedicated manual Penis Enlargement routine for 3-6 months. Our views are not mutually exclusive, and you persist to take a stance that one of us has to be right and one of us has to be wrong ... and that you are right and I am an ignorant propagandist spreading misguided info. If that were the case, and you were as exclusively correct as you persist to imply .... nobody who has ever done manual Penis Enlargement before would gain from Chem Penis Enlargement .... yet much of the reason why you have learned of Penis Enlargement and become fond of it is because other people who had tried manual Penis Enlargement for a long time wanted to find something to get them faster gains and or over a gain plateau ... and they achieved good results and decided to share it. So, in reality, the specific nature and specific delivery of your argument - as you have specifically presented it though you may later elaborate or back peddle on in attempt to change (whether you change it to express poorly explained initial views or to express evolved views to save your ego - it doesn't matter) - is already actually proven to be a distorted reality ... and it MAY OR MAY NOT be proven to be completely invalid. Yet, you have repeatedly persisted - in what is a mild display of self aggrandizement in conjunction with ad hominem - to show passive aggressive arrogance with your asinine implications that your purported exclusive truth - as specifically presented as if you couldn't be missing anything - is backed up by absolute scientific fact/law that cannot be disproved/argued with etc.
Neither of us are scientists, nor experts in this field. You feel like you have incredible superiority over mean on this subject that justifies you bashing my personal opinion based on experience that I feel is relative, some biological education that I have had, and what I feel is common sense .... because you have read all of these Chem Penis Enlargement threads on the Penis Enlargement community ... and started to experiment with it. Granted, I have only skimmed the threads and not yet wanted to experiment with the Chems. But 1) biology and science is more broad than you are making it seem. Therefore, just because you feel you have one conclusive scientific fact it does not mean that it is mutually exclusive from other alleged/actual scientific facts that you are unaware of, or not thinking of, that may render your conclusions in err due to a narrow purview. 2) Science, medicine etc are really all practices to try to understand something that has always existed outside of these formalities that humans have tried to extract laws and facts from and or build laws and facts around. In reality, it is a never ending guess and experimentation that one leans towards conclusions with after repeated results/trends that may or may not necessarily ever showcase anomalies or variations at what seems to be random and or what is actually slight variations in application or one of many control/variable factors in the "equation" so to speak. Therefore, while it is always valid to say that experimentation has shown significantly reliable trends, it is not ALWAYS valid to suggest that these are laws and facts. Assumed laws and facts in science have been and will continue to be "broken" - though it is wise to lean towards them being absolutely true until given enough theoretical or proven information to sway perception, and such an open mind that they may not be absolute law or fact is required to progress in such circumstance.
Digressing from this broader view, in return to the origination of my thoughts on using various manual Penis Enlargement techniques from the start and my thoughts on using Chem Penis Enlargement only after a dedicated manual routine for at least 3-6 months ... whether you want to and or should decon afterward or not ...I'll explain the reason for my statement.
Penis Enlargement has always been fundamentally related to fitness training - be it with strength or cardio exercises. While the penis is somewhat unlike any other organ in the body .... it still shares some fundamental traits and is part of the same body that all of the other fitness rules apply to.
I'll focus on weight training muscles relative to Penis Enlargement.
My opinion on using various exercise techniques at any stage:
In
weight training there are many different types of exercises to not only perform in order to target different muscles but to perform in order to target the same muscles in a different manner for different effect, efficiency etc in specificity though usually for the same outcome. I compare these principles to the different types of exercises in Penis Enlargement and find it to be very relative. With
weight training muscles, for everybody from a beginner to a champion body builder, warm up is important before every workout and proper progression in intensity (amount of
weight, duration and repetition) is also very important, recovery is also very important. The same fundamentals apply to Penis Enlargement, albeit with some specific differences due to the different structure of the organ that will not necessarily make the penis respond exactly as muscles do. This is what we consider a "scientific fact". HOWEVER, with
weight training muscles .... it is not a problem to use all of the various techniques to target muscles in various ways regardless if you are a beginner or if you are a body building champion. You can use every
weight lifting technique ever invented, as long as you do it in the proper form, with proper progression of intensity (amount of
weight, duration, repetition) and proper recovery.
I see no logic to form any other opinion that the same would not apply to Penis Enlargement. Therefore, in my opinion, you can do any Penis Enlargement exercise you want as long as you do it in the proper form, with the proper intensity, duration, repetition and recovery. And yes .... reasonable progression beforehand from maybe DLD's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie Routine[/words] may provide for a good warm up or acclimation to the exercises and the feelings they posses .... as I also previously mentioned ... but it does not necessarily have to be done ... just like, when training muscles, nobody necessarily has to start with resistance bands opposed to
weights. Doing these "advanced" or varied exercises does not guarantee quicker gains, nor does it guarantee that there is no truth that gains could be realized more quickly. This is proven in
weight training for muscles .... and in Penis Enlargement like with PhillipK gaining 1.2 inches BPenis EnlargementL - primarily from using an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for 8 hours a day for 2.5 months:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28874 .
Sorry, but all of you who persist to imply that it is an exclusive and conclusive truth that starting so called "advanced" exercises earlier can even be called "premature advancement" (which was somewhat oxymoronic when jsqderrida said "so called advanced" as if to imply, with which I agree, that they are not really "advanced" - immediately followed by saying that they could be done prematurely - which implies that they are something to advance toward) AND that only a fool would state that it MAY be possible that such activity MAY very possibly increase chances of exceptional gains in an exceptional time frame is actually the fool that is asserting things to be universally, exclusively and conclusively true that are not only inconclusive but that are actually proven to be wrong in some instances where certain specific variables exist to produce outcomes that are in stark contrast to this truly misguiding propaganda. Essentially, all of these exercises do the same shit in different ways with different efficiencies and different targeting - the only thing that really requires progression is the intensity ( weight/pressure, duration, repetition) - not the techniques.
Relative to this last paragraph; my opinion on using Chem Penis Enlargement only after at least 3-6 months of a dedicated, consistent manual Penis Enlargement routine - whether or not you decon before Chem Penis Enlargement:
Chem Penis Enlargement is like using steroids while weight training. In the muscle building community - shooting up IGF-1 and PGE-1, like Chem Penis Enlargement does, is considered about the same as shooting up with other substances refered to as anabolic steroids. According to wikipedia, PGE-1 is technically a hormone (like what is referred to as steroids) - though rarely classified as such ... and a lipid - like steroids. IGF-1 is also lumped in with close relation to steroids, HGH etc. Here is an example:
Howstuffworks "How Performance-Enhancing Drugs Work" . Your body can naturally produce these things and or you can consume foods and beverages that can add them to your body. In
weight training, a huge percentage of participants and advisers will never ever shoot up PGE-1, IGF-1 or any steroids etc .... and they will never ever advise anyone else to do it. I think the main difference in the likelihood that people in Penis Enlargement will be more lax with the use of these Chems in Penis Enlargement than they would for
weight training muscles is simple because people are more zealous about their penis size, for many natural reasons that are quite obvious. However, some percentage of participants and advisers in the wight training of muscles community will do both use these Chems and recommend usage of them. The latter percentage - the users - are usually - especially in this time - all still wise in their use and recommendations for use with it...and the HUGE percentage of the users will not EVER shoot these substances up from the beginning, nor will they suggest that any other beginner do it.
In general, the large majority of these people who use these substances in this manner for weight training muscles try their best to maximize natural gains and only shoot these substances up to speed gains or to exceed bodily limitations causing a plateau in gains after they have been weight training with dedication for often many years ... and at least about 3-6 months. There are many logical, and "scientific facts" - as you love to evoke as of late - that lead to this behavior that is generally considered most wise. Fucking around with these substances is no joke and can have serious side effects and need to be used with extreme care for near perfect or very reasonable efficiency with no ill effects that can be experienced in the time of use and or linger for a long time after use - possibly permanently in drastic situations. I see no logic to form any other opinion that the same would not apply to Penis Enlargement.
These are my opinions based on my research and experience. You are of course entitled to your own opinions without anyone else permission. Our opinions do not always have to be mutually exclusive; but in some cases certain views may be exclusively correct or partially more correct than others. Our opinions do not have to always be conveyed with rude, condescending arrogance presented with self aggrandizement and ad hominem - though we are all human and it happens. As humans, especially at our current stage of evolution, we can all exercise self control quite well and express ourselves however we choose. I hope that we all improve in these areas - including myself (though I still like being an uninhibited asshole on occasion as well, like some of you all do - as our psyche seems to like to balance whether we are aware of it or not).
Best to all of my fellows seeking Penis Enlargement success, no matter which techniques you use or how you use them.
