The Coming Of The Vacu-extender!!!

[monkeybar]

Opps,

Forget to mention that Modified VacExtender is released and will ship next Tuesday. This is the VacExtender version for other [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] - [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]JES[/words]/PM/Andro, etc.

As mentioned before, if you can only afford 1 device, this is it. Its a multi-purpose device that could be used as a light hanger (up to 7.5lb), manual excersizer and multi-position [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] device. You could hang, pull and wear around the waist, leg, over the neck or shoulder. All of the benefit of Vacuum device is there, in small form factor.

As I tried to explain in another board, the main strength of this device is not that its small or comfortable, but the non-invasive usability. It sometimes doesn't feel like you have it on - which to me is the holy grail of Penis Enlargement - to wear something and don't have to change your behavior (ie. walking funny, constantly checking, etc).

Some preliminary information is on the site.

Thank you and again sorry for the delay.

 

[blackice]

The link to add the whole vacexteder into your cart is missing, or is not available at the moment? Will getting one by the end of the month be a problem?

 

[monkeybar]

The link to add the whole vacexteder into your cart is missing, or is not available at the moment? Will getting one by the end of the month be a problem?

Sorry, still working on the website/order page. As mentioned, the regular VacExtender (which comes with its own base) will be released in 3rd week of this month. I'm redesigning the base a bit so that its bit wider and more comfortable.

The ordering page should be done by tonight - don't order yet as the pricing will change - cheaper. Wait till there are no notice sign on top.

 

[monkeybar]

The MaX-Vac can be used for hanging light or heavy and it's a much better design. If you look at both products it seems like a no brainer to me. Monkeybars products look cheaply made and yet the prices are still so similar.

What happens when you decide that you do want to hang heavier also?

Have you read any of the information on the forum at mynewsize?

For me this just comes down to buying the best designed, most versatile product on the market that is backed by proven excellent customer support and has also been shown to work. It's up to you but the answer seems pretty obvious to me.

I wasn't going to go this route, but have to respond (with several users prodding me as they thought this was over the line) I'm writing this with the knowledge that you are representing Crash's interest - which I believe you were going to sell his product on Ebay.

Crash, hopefully this type of things doesn't happen as I had a nice conversation with you and I mentioned your product positively in both board. If user don't like either of product, its one thing, but to have someone represent you and say something that not substantiated is uncall for. I could have many people start talking negatively about your product, but I don't as we both seem to have a genuine concern toward our hobby. You don't need to drum up business this way as my impression of you was better than that. If I mispoke about TomW's role I do apology.

TomW - how is it better design? Is it just a personal preference? or did you scientifically measured the effects. It seems like a blank and unsubstantiated statement to me. Have you beta tested my product for 3 months by veteran users before even thinking about selling? Is it because its better looking or shinier? Please explain.

I've been in the Penis Enlargement arena for long time and making stuff out of frustration. I'm not here to compete with you or Crash, the user will make their own mind. I don't really care if users buy my product, and in many (and many) cases, I steer them off my products as I don't think they have the determination to stick with the program. It will be silly and waste of money for them. I certainly could take their money, but I sometimes don't - I'm happy with what I designed and majority of people seem to agree with me. If they don't, then they get their money back. Period. I'm not saying I don't want to sell the product as lots of money went into making the product, but if something works for them already, they don't need to buy my product.

So before making some statement without substantiated facts, you need to explain your experience with both product. I could mention many veterans who have gained (a real result, not a hearsay, which seems to be common on these threads) quite a bit using less than 5lbs (used consistantly and for longer duration), so your higher weight capability is pretty much a moot point. As mentioned in my website, we only support up to 10lb. Can it do more - yes, I personally tested double the weight - but setup as a business with real liability insurance premium to pay, I do not support more than that for risk adversion. I also stick to time is more important than weight camp - and I truly belive that. So I do put 10lb as a weight limit, but I wished people would use a lower weight and do it for longer duration.

Typically, most users drop out of Penis Enlargement due to misconception, thinking that higher weight will result in quicker gain. It may be true for few people, but for the majority of users, it simply will not happen. Thats why I do preach what I preach - to keep these users involved so that they will see the gain - not give up after a month. If I simply wanted to make money, I could put up - "you could gain 3 inches in 3 months" like some website. But I don't and thats that.

You mention pricing - I remember Crash talking about his pricing. You should know that since you are involved. Its no way near the price we do charge. I'm not sure if Crash has told you (if he got his patents), but my patents process cost $12,000 alone and I have a several patents. If you wanted to know, some of the things you mentioned are already infringing on my patent (which my lawyer wanted to persue). But I dont' want to go that route as its not what I want to do - hopefully you get this message.

Lastly, I'm sorry if I mis-understood your comment and correct me if I did. In the future, I would stick with how to better use the device you are interested in and try to help people so that they don't become another short time Penis Enlargement'er.

cheers.

 

[cypher79]

Hey monkeybar, when is the Vacu-Extender head piece for the AutoExtender coming out? Its just my penis keeps slipping out of the original autoextender head piece when i try to move around, also, any ideas of what the price will be? Also, how long can you wear it for?

Thanks in advance

 

[cyberstud25]

I wasn't going to go this route, but have to respond (with several users prodding me as they thought this was over the line) I'm writing this with the knowledge that you are representing Crash's interest - which I believe you were going to sell his product on Ebay.

Crash, hopefully this type of things doesn't happen as I had a nice conversation with you and I mentioned your product positively in both board. If user don't like either of product, its one thing, but to have someone represent you and say something that not substantiated is uncall for. I could have many people start talking negatively about your product, but I don't as we both seem to have a genuine concern toward our hobby. You don't need to drum up business this way as my impression of you was better than that. If I mispoke about TomW's role I do apology.

TomW - how is it better design? Is it just a personal preference? or did you scientifically measured the effects. It seems like a blank and unsubstantiated statement to me. Have you beta tested my product for 3 months by veteran users before even thinking about selling? Is it because its better looking or shinier? Please explain.

I've been in the Penis Enlargement arena for long time and making stuff out of frustration. I'm not here to compete with you or Crash, the user will make their own mind. I don't really care if users buy my product, and in many (and many) cases, I steer them off my products as I don't think they have the determination to stick with the program. It will be silly and waste of money for them. I certainly could take their money, but I sometimes don't - I'm happy with what I designed and majority of people seem to agree with me. If they don't, then they get their money back. Period. I'm not saying I don't want to sell the product as lots of money went into making the product, but if something works for them already, they don't need to buy my product.

So before making some statement without substantiated facts, you need to explain your experience with both product. I could mention many veterans who have gained (a real result, not a hearsay, which seems to be common on these threads) quite a bit using less than 5lbs (used consistantly and for longer duration), so your higher weight capability is pretty much a moot point. As mentioned in my website, we only support up to 10lb. Can it do more - yes, I personally tested double the weight - but setup as a business with real liability insurance premium to pay, I do not support more than that for risk adversion. I also stick to time is more important than weight camp - and I truly belive that. So I do put 10lb as a weight limit, but I wished people would use a lower weight and do it for longer duration.

Typically, most users drop out of Penis Enlargement due to misconception, thinking that higher weight will result in quicker gain. It may be true for few people, but for the majority of users, it simply will not happen. Thats why I do preach what I preach - to keep these users involved so that they will see the gain - not give up after a month. If I simply wanted to make money, I could put up - "you could gain 3 inches in 3 months" like some website. But I don't and thats that.

You mention pricing - I remember Crash talking about his pricing. You should know that since you are involved. Its no way near the price we do charge. I'm not sure if Crash has told you (if he got his patents), but my patents process cost $12,000 alone and I have a several patents. If you wanted to know, some of the things you mentioned are already infringing on my patent (which my lawyer wanted to persue). But I dont' want to go that route as its not what I want to do - hopefully you get this message.

Lastly, I'm sorry if I mis-understood your comment and correct me if I did. In the future, I would stick with how to better use the device you are interested in and try to help people so that they don't become another short time Penis Enlargement'er.

cheers.

thats a lot of mumbo jumbo for a product you altered (ripped off) from stretch system 2000 and the grips gflex sleeve [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] (wich is also marketed as a pe device thats vacuum based)!
plus your aytoexster was a total ripoff of the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] and bib jeeeeez!!!!!

your gonna get lawyers and this n that involved when the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] is a patent item and you have a version out with a modified head.... funny!

why waste 12 gs on patents when someone can just change a minor detail and market those products themselves?

 

[The BTC Killer]

Monkey,

TomdW doesn't sell M/s and has no commercial interst. He's just passionate about the MaX-Vac, and that was his opinion. Respect that. The original plan, some 7 months ago, TomdW was going to sell some MVs on Ebay, but that has ceased.

I could have many people start talking negatively about your product, but I don't as we both seem to have a genuine concern toward our hobby.

This statement bothers me. I had more respect for you Monkey, we both came from the same place and learned from one another. I have never mentioned the VH in negative light (do a search on any board, you have my "word"). To draw up controversy from an opinion of a MV user is ridiculous and I want no part of that. MV users are free to speak their mind, I've had a difficult time trying to find negative experiences about the MV, to discourage a positive view of the product is not the way it is, wrong board. Do I make public statements about those that trash MyNewSize at T's? Statements along the lines as, Mr gay: "buy from monkeybar he's a better business man."? How is this different? My only place is to clarify misconceptions and "propaganda" about the MaX-Vac. As you have done here, leave it at that.

I would appreciate if you would show the same respect I have for VH users and that is: Who the fuck cares about the VH users (politically, personally), they use their product, I could care either way. Take care your own, as I have. M\/ users, I'm here for you anytime.


and it's,
~BTC

 

[monkeybar]

Hey monkeybar, when is the Vacu-Extender head piece for the AutoExtender coming out? Its just my penis keeps slipping out of the original autoextender head piece when i try to move around, also, any ideas of what the price will be? Also, how long can you wear it for?

Thanks in advance

It will come out at same time as complete VacExtender - 3rd week. I'm currently wearing it for 2 hours at a time as an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and up to 3 hours as an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] device around the waist.

 

[monkeybar]

thats a lot of mumbo jumbo for a product you altered (ripped off) from stretch system 2000 and the grips gflex sleeve [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] (wich is also marketed as a pe device thats vacuum based)!
plus your aytoexster was a total ripoff of the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] and bib jeeeeez!!!!!

your gonna get lawyers and this n that involved when the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] is a patent item and you have a version out with a modified head.... funny!

why waste 12 gs on patents when someone can just change a minor detail and market those products themselves?

Just in case, its a utility patent and no [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]JEs[/words] is not patented.

 

[monkeybar]

Monkey,

TomdW doesn't sell M/s and has no commercial interst. He's just passionate about the MaX-Vac, and that was his opinion. Respect that. The original plan, some 7 months ago, TomdW was going to sell some MVs on Ebay, but that has ceased.


This statement bothers me. I had more respect for you Monkey, we both came from the same place and learned from one another. I have never mentioned the VH in negative light (do a search on any board, you have my "word"). To draw up controversy from an opinion of a MV user is ridiculous and I want no part of that. MV users are free to speak their mind, I've had a difficult time trying to find negative experiences about the MV, to discourage a positive view of the product is not the way it is, wrong board. Do I make public statements about those that trash MyNewSize at T's? Statements along the lines as, Mr gay: "buy from monkeybar he's a better business man."? How is this different? My only place is to clarify misconceptions and "propaganda" about the MaX-Vac. As you have done here, leave it at that.

I would appreciate if you would show the same respect I have for VH users and that is: Who the fuck cares about the VH users (politically, personally), they use their product, I could care either way. Take care your own, as I have. M\/ users, I'm here for you anytime.


and it's,
~BTC

 

[monkeybar]

Monkey,

TomdW doesn't sell M/s and has no commercial interst. He's just passionate about the MaX-Vac, and that was his opinion. Respect that. The original plan, some 7 months ago, TomdW was going to sell some MVs on Ebay, but that has ceased.

This statement bothers me. I had more respect for you Monkey, we both came from the same place and learned from one another. I have never mentioned the VH in negative light (do a search on any board, you have my "word"). To draw up controversy from an opinion of a MV user is ridiculous and I want no part of that. MV users are free to speak their mind, I've had a difficult time trying to find negative experiences about the MV, to discourage a positive view of the product is not the way it is, wrong board. Do I make public statements about those that trash MyNewSize at T's? Statements along the lines as, Mr gay: "buy from monkeybar he's a better business man."? How is this different? My only place is to clarify misconceptions and "propaganda" about the MaX-Vac. As you have done here, leave it at that.

I would appreciate if you would show the same respect I have for VH users and that is: Who the fuck cares about the VH users (politically, personally), they use their product, I could care either way. Take care your own, as I have. M\/ users, I'm here for you anytime.


and it's,
~BTC

Understood, it was my understanding that he was involved and he mentioned that in other board. It that was changed, my apolgy was already mentioned.

Your 2nd statement also relate to TomW being associated with your business aspect, please re-read.

Lastly, I thought this was a thread about VacExtender... Not MV or Vacu-Hanger.

Cheers

 

[monkeybar]

thats a lot of mumbo jumbo for a product you altered (ripped off) from stretch system 2000 and the grips gflex sleeve [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] (wich is also marketed as a pe device thats vacuum based)!
plus your aytoexster was a total ripoff of the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] and bib jeeeeez!!!!!

your gonna get lawyers and this n that involved when the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] is a patent item and you have a version out with a modified head.... funny!

why waste 12 gs on patents when someone can just change a minor detail and market those products themselves?

Okay, now I could respond.

Yes, I maybe an idiot for spending that much on a patent, but I do run things straight. Also, I may be the only one paying product specific liability insurance in this business as I tried to get a comparison but found none. So if I'm an idiot for running a straight business, its okay - I sleep well at night because of it.

As for changing minor detail - you may want to re-read your patent law text. The patent law is encompassing and unless improvement is a major one (which basically invalidate the previous version), its quite enforceable. Again, its academic at this point.

As for altering the existing patent - again, we did exhaustative search and even contacted some vendors before filing our patents (AutoEXT and modified head is one and one of the vendor even contacted me about reselling the modified head). I let people know if I think it will infringe on there design as I know how much effort it takes to design anything for production. As mentioned before - Vacu-hanger was originally designed by Mgus/Mbuc in another board - and I do pay them loyalty (if I could afford them) for their work.

cheers

 

[The BTC Killer]

http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?p=742992#post742992
Wow. Are you aiming for conflict, or co-existance as I am?

I should start some "It seems like I was getting trashed a bit at Thunder's" posts, but it would be a waste of space.

 

[monkeybar]

http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?p=742992#post742992
Wow. Are you aiming for conflict, or co-existance as I am?

I should start some "It seems like I was getting trashed a bit at Thunder's" posts, but it would be a waste of space.

I'm sorry I'm not understanding what you wrote above. The statement was not of the message, but the combination thereof. As mentioned, I said I deserved some thrashing as my customer service declined due to a personal reasons. The only other implicated part was misunderstanding that TomW seemed to be involved in your business, which he is not as you said, whether its a website or business aspect. There's nothing more than that.

Based on your words, it just seems like TomW was just over enthuestic MV user (as you said) and he's recommending what he believe as a user.

Normally I don't thread these waters, but since the can was opened, I'm closing it. Other than product questions, no other questions will be answered or replied. If you need to contact me, send me a PM on the other board as I check that site more or here and I'll try to come more often.

No other information regarding VacExtender or Vacu-hanger will be posted here - you could check the website.

Lastly, some people been asking about the ordering page - it will be up tonight.

Thanks

 

[monkeybar]

Arrg - forgot again,

John, if you want a refund, let me know.

Cheers

 

[The BTC Killer]

I'm sorry I'm not understanding what you wrote above.

What was your intentions of posting this at Thunder's? The only reason I can formulate is to stir up conflict between the boards, attempting to line up the "sides". Am I mistaken?

Please clarify, so we can put this to rest,
~BTC

 

[john5]

Arrg - forgot again,

John, if you want a refund, let me know.

Cheers

My problem was with customer service for the most part, im new to all this and will see what the vac does for me!

Can you fault me with being upset when i made a order online and didnt get a response, autoextender.com said no emails or shiptment from june 24 till the 28th so i figured by the 29 or 30th id get a heads up .

if i was a member of these penis boards for awhile i would have seen that your site is a 1 man opertion and not a big business so i wouldnt have been this worried about my money!

Again if i knew you were a avg guy running a small shop from home i wouldnt have said what i did, but your site made me think you were some big internet company!

John5

 

[monkeybar]

Again, I do aplogy. I wished I was big internet company - eh probably not.

Crash, I think you are over analyzing the post. I had a same problem on that board with users too - trust me I don't like to play politics and you could search all of my posts. Again, I had a big medical issue with my wife and nothing comes before that. That post was in part to explain some of my reasoning. No need to re-write the post. As I said, I took your word and thats good enough for me.

However, if you still don't take my words, then be it.

cheers.

My problem was with customer service for the most part, im new to all this and will see what the vac does for me!

Can you fault me with being upset when i made a order online and didnt get a response, autoextender.com said no emails or shiptment from june 24 till the 28th so i figured by the 29 or 30th id get a heads up .

if i was a member of these penis boards for awhile i would have seen that your site is a 1 man opertion and not a big business so i wouldnt have been this worried about my money!

Again if i knew you were a avg guy running a small shop from home i wouldnt have said what i did, but your site made me think you were some big internet company!

John5

 

[KingD]

I never thought that starting this thread to tell about a Penis Enlargement product would stir up so much drama. I truely did not intend to start this thread to start people bashing, misunderstanding, and brewing up mis-trust among each other. I started this thread as an outside consumer. I support any member of a Penis Enlargement communtiy that come up with a new idea or product that can help Penis Enlargementers. That is why I support both BTC and Monkeybar because these two guys are leading the Penis Enlargement industry in new, innovative products that help Penis Enlargementers achieve their goals of gains. I for one, stopped posting in this thread due to the fact that I could see where it was leading. I think everyone in the Penis Enlargement industry faces some obstacles at times and the outcome of those obstacles are what make a creditable and stable reputation. Everyone has problems like this(just take DLD and the ALPHA BLADE incident, no offense), so we need to take into account Monkeybar's situation and now that every thing is layed out on the table, help build a better Penis Enlargement relationship with one another. Maybe BTC and Monkeybar could hook up together one day and help each other out or maybe even come up with another revolutionary Penis Enlargement product. Well, has to be one of the most conflicting threads for me being that I support both guys and hope them both the best in their business ventures. Now with all issues cleared up and all apologies said, let's start a new beginning help each other out with what we all came here for Penis Enlargement!!!

 

[TomdW]

Wow, I really missed some stuff here. Since a lot of this involves me a will try to explain in a bit better detail where I was and am coming from here.

Monkeybar, this is addressed to you in particular but since this thread is public I will post here instead of sending you a PM..

Firstly let me say that I have never met you and as a result I have no reason to think that we would not get on like a house on fire if we did meet. In acordance I give you the amount of respect that would be deserved if that were the case.

I was selling MaX-Vacs on eBay for BTC in the begining but as BTC has already explained that did not work out. I am an experienced and long term Penis Enlargementer (4 years). I am also quite well experienced with the MaX-Vac and I have spent the last 6 months working out the ins and outs of the hanger. I have tried many different settings, sheath wise and pressure wise and as a result I would say that my opinion on the effectiveness of the hanger is valid.

In my experimentation I noticed that I found it much easier to acheive a high level of comfort by being able to change the amount of pressure in the cylinder at any time. I also found it much easier to get my penis into the cylinder with a good seal using the hand pump. I've attempted to hang without the pump many times and have had difficulty acheiving the comfort that is present when I have had direct control of the amount of pressure in the cylinder. I'm not saying that it cannot be done and I have hung up to 10 lbs without the use of a hand pump but my point is that it is more difficult to acheive due to the insertion of the penis into the cylinder through the sheaths and it is much more uncomfortable.

It is true that I do not own a vacu-hanger but the reason, again, that I feel that my opinion on this is useful is that you can hang without any added pressure using the MaX-Vac meaning that it does essentially the same thing as the vacu-hanger. The reason behind me saying that I believe the M\/ to be a superior product is due to the fact that is enables the user to control the amount of pressure in the cylinder at any time during the hanging set. I have developed a set routine in which I change the amount of pressure throughout my sets in order to maintain the upmost level of comfort at all times. This has helped me to hang longer and heavier.

These are all just my personal opinions but as I said before I would consider them to be valid amongst potential vacuum hangers (people) partly due to the fact that there are not many Penis Enlargementers out there that have much experience with this method. I have been so impressed with the MaX-Vac as a whole that not only am I very active on the mynewsize forums but I also promote the M\/'s wherever I can. BTC put it correctly when he said that I am passionate about the device and it's genius design. Again let me make the point clearly so that it is without question. I do not make any money off any MaX-Vac sales. I fully accept your apology on this matter.

On the issue of whether heavier is better. I view the penis as comparable to an elastic band where length is concerned. If you stretch an elastic band harder then it will deform more and grow as a result. Obviously this is a vague explanation and there are a lot more factors that come into play than just this but in my experience heavier is better. We could debate this forever but lets leave that for another thread. For now we can say that there are different schools of thought on this weight issue.

Looking back over this thread, although I stand by every word that I have said, I think that it is possible that I should not have littered your vacu-hanger thread with my opinions on this but then again it's an open forum here. The reason that I did voice my opinions was that there were so many people already complaining about the lack of customer service, etc and on that issue I must add that if you take money from a buyer then it is the be all and end all to get the product shipped. I have experience in this arena in other areas of my life and it is not acceptable to take somebodys money and seemingly disappear. If you were having problems of whatever nature then you should have shut your site down until you could run the business properly. It was this injustice that spurred me to speak on any matter here in the first place since at mynewsize there is always someone that can answer any questions posed. It is because I am passionate and opinionated Penis Enlargementer that I speak up in situations like this.

OK, that's it. I will leave this as I started it by saying, monkeybar, that I fully respect you and your reputation. You produce a large variety of reputable and high quality products and I wish you all the best with your success.

Tom.