Background:
Guys Im so tired of doing useless workouts. Workouts that don't yield gains only a waster of time. Im so sick of wasting time on a plateau. So I been looking at the the way I do my workouts. I looked at the the exercises chosen, the time of the exercise, the routine, the duration of the routine in terms of hours per week and for how long it last, i.e. 2 months. When i examined all this I found none of this to be the problem. I looked and looked and then it hit me. I've come up with what i call the Optimal Level Theory. So here it goes.

Optimal Level Theory:
I can guarantee most of us don't perform at at the Optimal Level. The ones who are are gaining big. The Optimal Level is the level in which the tunica is expanded at such an erection level that it can be cemented and manifested at 100% erection level. I believe that we jelq, do squeezes, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words], and ICS at too low of an erection level. For example, if you do Horse Squeezes at 80%, when you cement those gains that 80% range will benefit the most. But as you achieve a level of erection higher than 80% the gains will slowly fade. Because the tunica wasn't at the Optimal Level the gains you have made can't be fully expressed. So what is this Optimal Level? I believe the Optimal Level is around 90-95%. We should stimulate ourselves to 100% percent and then feel the tunica for the slightest sign of give. Then attack. Attack the border of the tunica where strength and vulnerability meet. This is why I feel that I haven't gained as much and why some of you guys haven't gained as much. Increasing your level of erection during girth exercises are rewarding yet be aware your dick isn't accustom to the increase of pressure so make sure you warm up accordingly.

Now for those who see massive amounts of expansion yet can never seem to cement the problem is the smooth muscle inside your dick. Your expanding you tunica yet the gap between your tunica and smooth muscle will widen. If the smooth muscle isn't brought to meet the tunica in its new expanded state your gains won't cement. What I suggest... just jelq. Jelqing increases the smooth muscle and lets the smooth muscle catch up to the tunica.
 
LilT211;373793 said:
Now for those who see massive amounts of expansion yet can never seem to cement the problem is the smooth muscle inside your dick. Your expanding you tunica yet the gap between your tunica and smooth muscle will widen. If the smooth muscle isn't brought to meet the tunica in its new expanded state your gains won't cement. What I suggest... just jelq. Jelqing increases the smooth muscle and lets the smooth muscle catch up to the tunica.

I have been hearing this more and more and I think there is definitely validity to this concept. Keep exploring, I think you are on to something.
 
Its simple ... each-time you work girth aim to engorge it MORE and MORE. In time it will grow. Doesn't need fancy science to explain that, most who can deal with logic should understand it. Like blowing a balloon up .. blow slightly it goes up some, than blow some more and it gets larger ... use a large blow of air and it really gets bigger. similar with the penis. Keep pushing its expansion and getting it past 100% with adequate rest and you will grow.... fact.
 
we'll see since i clamp and stay around 90% when it comes to the hardness factor (but still fully engorged). if you're right about the jelqing thing i should start to see results now that i've added them to the end of my clamping routine
 
Maximum engorgement is the key fill your dick with as much blood as you can. And to do this Kegels will be needed. I also suggest for this theory to reach its full potential that you kegel even on rest days. Treat Kegels like the clamp or the stretch you love the most, they will reward you.
 
and dmoney101 make sure that at your 90% hardness level that you cant manhandle your dick. What I mean is that if you were doing a bend or horse squeeze the tunica should be actively fighting you. You shouldn't be able to just bend your dick and it goes. There should be somewhat of a resistance. Not as great as when your fully erect but not far off.
 
LilT211;373866 said:
and dmoney101 make sure that at your 90% hardness level that you cant manhandle your dick. What I mean is that if you were doing a bend or horse squeeze the tunica should be actively fighting you. You shouldn't be able to just bend your dick and it goes. There should be somewhat of a resistance. Not as great as when your fully erect but not far off.

if it ever drops to the point where i can bend without resistance, i work it until it's back up to that level. even before hearing your theory, i figured being soft while clamped would get me nowhere
 
yes, ive been doing 100% erect jelqs for a little while and in the first 2 weeks i got 1/4 '' girth gain. i started after reading one of dld's post were he said thats how he always did girth work so i thought it must be the way.
now it is true you will gain alot more with 100% erect girth work but remember to take a little break every once in a while or you could find your self like me at one poin t. i couldnt get it up at all so dld told me to take a break and i did thankfully things are back to normal but from now on i listen to my penis not my wants of fast gains.
then again some people dont need breaks so i could be wrong i guess.
 
jekyllnhyde360;373906 said:
yes, ive been doing 100% erect jelqs for a little while and in the first 2 weeks i got 1/4 '' girth gain.

That is phenomenal! What is your girth workout?
 
I think breaks come with the territory. Every now and then tissues will get resistant to any pressure. Some people need two weeks some need two months. But a break IMHO is needed not just to reset the tissues but to reset your mind. Penis Enlargement takes its toll on your whole body.
 
LilT211;373915 said:
I think breaks come with the territory. Every now and then tissues will get resistant to any pressure. Some people need two weeks some need two months. But a break IMHO is needed not just to reset the tissues but to reset your mind. Penis Enlargement takes its toll on your whole body.

I think tissue does become reset after a bit of time (particularly after some good time put in and gains made).
 
So DLD you think you don't have to take a decon break? I get the feeling your stating that gains will reset the tissues but Im not to sure.
 
its actualy pretty funny im still on phase one of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]dvd[/words] , 600+ jelqs a day .but i did notice that most of the gain was in the spongiosum .
dld do you have any insight into why that is?
 
LilT211;373915 said:
I think breaks come with the territory. Every now and then tissues will get resistant to any pressure. Some people need two weeks some need two months. But a break IMHO is needed not just to reset the tissues but to reset your mind. Penis Enlargement takes its toll on your whole body.

Def. true. If someone walked in while I was in the middle of a session they would swear I was in a UFC fight with my penis... I work out alomst everyday to exhaustion in the gym, there are times I am equally tired from a Penis Enlargement session... I swear if you put a heart rate monitor on me you would think I was running a marathon... Breaks must be healthy
 
b23;373991 said:
Def. true. If someone walked in while I was in the middle of a session they would swear I was in a UFC fight with my penis... I work out alomst everyday to exhaustion in the gym, there are times I am equally tired from a Penis Enlargement session... I swear if you put a heart rate monitor on me you would think I was running a marathon... Breaks must be healthy
Thats the kind of intensity that I feel will bring about the best gains. Attacking your penis as if it offended you. I've been babying my dick for too long. Its important to know the difference from pain and discomfort so you don''t over do it. But my dick will be most uncomfortable as i test out my theory. And about the spongiosum... its necessary for it to increase in size. I don't believe you are doing anything wrong. But if it does continue and your corpus cavernosum isn't improving check your grip were you apply pressure. And its been my experience that once Im closing in on 85% percent erect the spongiosum takes less of the pressure.
 
I love this idea.

So has my thought that tissue fatigue been wrong all this time. I fell like my long edging session were for nothing now. Can some one break it down for me?
 
And I know from personal Penis Enlargement, Its hard(no pun intended) to get a max erection even with a clamp daily. Is this why most say rest for girth?
 
Girth Hammer;374035 said:
And I know from personal Penis Enlargement, Its hard(no pun intended) to get a max erection even with a clamp daily. Is this why most say rest for girth?

In my mind girth takes a lot more out of your dick. It takes a toll on blood vessels, tunica, ligs, CC, CS, and nerves. And since your fully erect, or close to it, it adds more pressure on these structures. If you beat the hell out of your dick for it to grow at least let him take a break from the punisHydromaxent.
 
LilT211 what does your girth routine look like? I just added clamping into my routine. Now I do 20 total minutes clamping (2 sets of 10 min) followed by 20 minutes of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. After clamping I get a 1/4" gain and after [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] an extra 1/4" is added, so 1/2" total gain after girth workout.
 
My routine looked pretty solid, mainly because DLD helped me with it. I was having problems with expansion so DLD said keep it simple. So I was doing 45 minutes of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and around ten minutes of wet jelqs. Kept it simple. But I stopped premature as I started building my theory and wanted to decon before starting up again. I want to try my theory out on a rejuvenated and revitalized dick. Looking to start Saturday. But if you want to gain then next routine add [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] for the win.
 
I've been hearing tons about the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]... You think this theory will work with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? I can't apply it because I don't have one so no first hand knowledge.
 
LilT211;374091 said:
I've been hearing tons about the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]... You think this theory will work with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? I can't apply it because I don't have one so no first hand knowledge.

I really believe my combination of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and Slow Squash Jelqs will bring the quickest girth gains with limited, if any, fluid build up. Wearing a clamp or cock ring after the workout allows the expansion to stick around all day. As I try to mimic priapism with Vigara I realize that the longer the penis is in an extended state the faster it grows.
 
All of my gains have come from intense workouts. Hanging to the max...Blue whale stretching that burned the skin...clamping....hell my first quick girth gain came from jumping right into [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]ssj[/words]'s without even doing the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]...in hindsight I was fortunate to not get injured but I got kinda lucky...
 
Thats crazy but its the case with me as well. I have to decon for like two to four weeks and start intense. It just seems like my tunica is fifty layers thick. I hate it but clamping will get me an inch and a half of girth in two years so Im down.
 
LilT211;378381 said:
Thats crazy but its the case with me as well. I have to decon for like two to four weeks and start intense. It just seems like my tunica is fifty layers thick. I hate it but clamping will get me an inch and a half of girth in two years so Im down.

The tunica is very dense and thick...it has only about 5% elasticity. The tunica requires constant, intense deformation to change. I am really hoping that The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], in conjunction with manual exercise (particularly Slow Squash Jelqs) will be the tunica buster.
 
DLD what are you doing to create priapism? I know you take vigara but what are doing exactly(prolong sex,etc.).I just got done reading some information about that word.

Is this why people believe ballooning leads to growth?

I took Yohimbe in the past. And I would wake up in the middle of the night with painful erections. They would last a long time. I would take that again but no matter when you take it, it effected my sleep quality so I need something else.
 
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