BIB Beta Starter (New Design)

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Here are a few pics of the "Beta" Starter model. In other words, it's a new design.
One of the main improvements I love is the new, longer teeth on both the top and bottom. The teeth are also wider. The pro of these new teeth is that the penis cannot be pushed into them like before, and therefor you will not get pinching. There is also no need to push the penis out of the way of the teeth while tightening the hanger.
Pic Of Top Teeth
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Here, you can see the new, extra big bottom well. This allows the bottom of the penis to 'flow' into these areas when the hanger is closed, and during tightening. Also gives you room for your wrap without giving up space in the hanger. Blood flow is better with this hanger! My bottom settings on the hanger are half of what they were on 'old' Starter.
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Here you can see the bigger 'blood' channels. Also visible is some 'dimples'. I'm not sure of the purpose of these. Check out the bottom teeth on this model!This hanger has been designed without the gel cushion. As many guys including myself never liked the gel cushion.

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Here you can see clearly the new front 'thumbs'. The part that used to be more prominent in the 'old' Starter. These are of a much lower profile, and actually round in an outward angle. They are MUCH more comfortable, and allow for longer sets...for me anyway. There's much less pressure on the glans as well now.

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Overall, this is in fact the best version of the Starter that BIB has come up with so far. The Starter continues to be my favorite hanger. It's the perfect size, and will allow weights as heavy as any man could ever imagine using. There is no longer concern for any 'breaking' to happen. This thing is built like a small tank now. One other small improvement over earlier models is the addition of locknuts for the nuts that hold the blue strap onto the hanger.
 
How does the new (BETA) design seem to be working? I LOVE my original BIB Hanger, and I'm interested in anything new that BIB comes up with. He really puts a lot of time and thought into the stuff he does.
 
redpubes said:
I wouldn't want to put anything that is in beta status on my dick.
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I don't think this device can be considered a complete beta test.

It is based on the Bib, it's just received some new design elements that seem to all be improvements.

1) The pinch-factor is gone
2) The gel is gone
3) The bolt holes are better supported
4) The well fits better
5) The thumbs perform better
6) I found it easier to get adjusted
7) I find heavy hanging with it to be more comfortable
 
gerrykjohnsons said:
I don't think this device can be considered a complete beta test.

It is based on the Bib, it's just received some new design elements that seem to all be improvements.

1) The pinch-factor is gone
2) The gel is gone
3) The bolt holes are better supported
4) The well fits better
5) The thumbs perform better
6) I found it easier to get adjusted
7) I find heavy hanging with it to be more comfortable
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What angel's have you been doing what wrap have you been using what settings are you using how much weight have you hung.
 
Pandora said:
What angel's have you been doing what wrap have you been using what settings are you using how much weight have you hung.
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Mostly SO, some SD.

Settings are pretty much evenly spaced top to bottom, perhaps little more open at the top.

For wrap, it's sweatshirt material and theraband.

At this stage, I'm hanging 20 lbs to reach fatigue, then backing off to 15 or 17.5 to ride it out. I have hung 25 lbs comfortably, and I'll probably move to that weight soon (as my new fatigue-weight).
 
gerrykjohnsons said:
Mostly SO, some SD.

Settings are pretty much evenly spaced top to bottom, perhaps little more open at the top.

For wrap, it's sweatshirt material and theraband.

At this stage, I'm hanging 20 lbs to reach fatigue, then backing off to 15 or 17.5 to ride it out. I have hung 25 lbs comfortably, and I'll probably move to that weight soon (as my new fatigue-weight).
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Toe in or Out you not tried the rice sock technique yet:)
 
Pandora said:
Toe in or Out you not tried the rice sock technique yet:)
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I forget which is which, but the top is slightly more open than the bottom.

I haven't tried the fulcrum rice sock technique -- if that's what you're refering to.

I've been gaining, so I thought I'd wait until that slowed/stopped before moving on to something else.
 
gerrykjohnsons said:
I forget which is which, but the top is slightly more open than the bottom.

I haven't tried the fulcrum rice sock technique -- if that's what you're refering to.

I've been gaining, so I thought I'd wait until that slowed/stopped before moving on to something else.
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That's sounds like toe out.

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21406 this technique Great technique, rice sock and duct tape

are you cut or uncut well done on the gains:D
 
I wasn't very impressed with the beta starter model. Seemed to do a better job of grasping the internal structures than the previous starter model, but with that came more pain. I have found the Max-Vac to be superior.
 
goldmember said:
I wasn't very impressed with the beta starter model. Seemed to do a better job of grasping the internal structures than the previous starter model, but with that came more pain. I have found the Max-Vac to be superior.
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I can't wait to get the Max-Vac and try it out
 
goldmember said:
I wasn't very impressed with the beta starter model. Seemed to do a better job of grasping the internal structures than the previous starter model, but with that came more pain. I have found the Max-Vac to be superior.
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That's funny you should say that because I didn't care for the Max-Vac. For me, vacuum hanging causes extreme fluid build-up.

I think the trick with the Bib is to find a wrapping technique (material type and position on penis).
 
doublelongdaddy said:
I can't wait to get the Max-Vac and try it out
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There should be a law against you using any sort of lengthening exercise. >:(


My two cents on the bib vs. max vac.
bib seemed to pull alot on the skin, and required actual skill with regards to wrapping and over all set up.

max vac is a no brainer. you put it on very simple. and not to mention you can hang for MUCH longer times than with the bib.


cons of max vac:

the sheaths that come with it easily rip after a month or two of use and you have to reorder them.

The hose attatcHydromaxent is very lose and can easily come off and release ur vaccum amidst a session and you have to personally use teflon tape to creat a seal or the hanger itself is hopeless.

alot of fluid build up.

The heavier the weight the higher the amount of pressure u need to keep the hanger on. which can be dangerous. I'm haning at 15 lbs now and while hanging my guage shows an easy 15-20 psi.



Though I wouldn't put my word behind the max-vac as the ultimate hanging device there are a couple of things that I can say.

The fatigue in the ligs is definately felt, which indicates the internal structures are being pulled. I'm not a long time hanger and I haven't gone on a hanging routine with the Max-Vac to vouch for any gains, so I don't know if the device will actually produce gains, though theoretically it should.

also, costumer service (as is with BIB) is excellent. BTC has done an excellent job in that department.
 
I thought Bib said he was all done with the hangers and now he's making a new one? Confused????:(
 
wannabe12.5 said:
Does BIB know that the guy he sent it to for testing and feedback is selling it on ebay? And said it cost over $90 new?
I hope whoever this is had the common courtesy to let BIB know about it.
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Well i had to pay for my beta model so i would of thought this person had to pay too.
 
gerrykjohnsons said:
That's funny you should say that because I didn't care for the Max-Vac. For me, vacuum hanging causes extreme fluid build-up.

I think the trick with the Bib is to find a wrapping technique (material type and position on penis).
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I have used the Max Vac consistently and felt that I had it down pat but the fluid buildup won't stop. Even if I hang less time, it comes back. So, I am back to my Big Hanger. I don't have a probem with it, just looking for something more comfortable. Sounds like the Beta Model is the right thing. GS
 
I've only used the Max-Vac for 2 days now but another issue I have with it besides fluid buildup is blisters on the glans. SWM would be able to tell you this also but this has me worried. I don't know if it is just a newbie thing that will go away in time but it definitely has me concerned. I may use it for a few minutes a day and use the Bib I've got for the rest of the time until I am conditioned enough to use the MV full time. I finally got the Bib adjusted correctly so I am confident with it. I just thought that the MV would be better right off the bat and for me, its not. Just 5 pounds for 2 30 minute sessions brought on 2 blisters so that sucks.
 
German Stallion said:
What is your thoughts on the Beta Model of the Bib? Did/do you like it? GS
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Yes i do like it but i also liked the older starter model too but i can't fit in the old starter any more:D

He is probably gonna be selling these towards the end of year so you can all decide for yourself.
 
I may buy one if the MV doesn't work out for me for some reason. I used my Bib Starter again last night and it may not be as comfortable as the MV, but we all know it is effective.
 
GOMER_PYLE said:
I may buy one if the MV doesn't work out for me for some reason. I used my Bib Starter again last night and it may not be as comfortable as the MV, but we all know it is effective.
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attaching a rope and a rock is effective too , but thats not the point . I fucken hate the bib , the thing is massive , and it tears up your coK. ive gotten some fluid build up with the max vac , but no blisters

max vac >>> bib max vac is the mercades benz while the bib is the honda:blush:
 
Nar lol some people can master both hangers their both as good as each other both have their goods and bads.

And i love the bib and the maxvac in fact i love all forms of Penis Enlargement :D

Plus is sounds like your brought the wrong model and you needed the starter not the original.
 
I've been getting some more painful blisters from the max-vac so I'm sticking with the Bib until BTC can get the penis covers built. The glove thumb I used is only good for 20 minute sets so I might as well go back to the Bib. I've been hanging for 3 hours per night with the Bib and the fatigue is incredible. I start out at 25 pounds to reach fatigue as quick as I can and then I ride it out for the remaining sets until I can't hang even 5 pounds comfortably. I am very interested in the new Bib model so when it comes out for real, please let us know.

Here is my thread over at MyNewSize:
http://www.mynewsize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1209
 
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Both hangers do indeed have their pros/cons. None is perfect, that's for sure. I have the most experience with the bib style hangers. I tested the beta (yes that was me selling mine ....I believe it finally went for around $150) for at least a couple weeks, and it is indeed the best version of BIBs hangers yet. I hope for the sake of other hangers that he does put these into production like he is/was considering. I could do 30 minute sets easily with the 'beta'. I have no financial, OR ass kissing interest in either hanger...so I feel my feedback is honest, and open.

It's funny, according to BIB himself it was Pandora who requested the "beta" be made...and from the way BIB made it sound, he went out of his way to try and satisfy this ONE guy (Pandora)...spending the $$ to make NEW molds, and take the time out of his busy personal and family life....and Pandora was still not happy. :s Just goes to show the quality of a man BIB is.

Pandora, nothing personal dude, but damn, I know I'm bigger in girth than you are and my beta fit me with plenty of room to spare. I required almost no wrap, AND the bottom adjustment bolts did not even need to be backed out. Even with the older BIB starter models, my only gripe at ANY hanging angle with the hangers was some skin pinching from the teeth....which has been eliminated by the way with the beta.

As far as the Max Vac, I did not personally have the patience to take the ...possibly months it might have taken to build up the tolerance to the vacuum+resistance, and I also got blistering on my glans when I tried to do a total of more than a couple hours of hang time daily. If I was still seeking length gains, I would have for SURE stuck with the BIB beta, as I was able to knock out 30 minute sets, back to back to back with no problems...and with months since I had hung last. In other words, the Max Vac, while more comfortable than the BIB style hangers...it was not as user friendly...at least not up front. Maybe many months down the road, I might have been able to use a similar amount of weight as with the BIB, and for similar daily hang time amounts, but I did not have that type of time to adapt to the MV.

Again, the BIB is not perfect. However, for the guy who is serious about hanging, and like most men does not have hours a day to use for hanging due to a busy schedule, I can say that he would get faster results with the BIB due to the fact that there is less adapting time required, and you would be using more weight, and making more out of the hang time you are able to use.

HOWEVER, if you work at home, or just have no life, and have hours a day to play around with...the Max Vac might be for you.....or if you have more patience, and a limited schedule...it might be for you.
 
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Ok since we are being honest i will tell you why i think this hanger that Bib has made can be made even better or what i think is missing.

This is the last conversation i had with bigger.

From:"Bib Hanger"<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: it the wells
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:14:35 -0500

Pandora,

Well, remember we talked about the teeth on top and bottom.<

Yeah we did but i never wanted anything doing to the teeth or the
thumbs i just wanted to not touch the bolt.<

Well, you should have said something, and we could have ended the
folly then. You did not want to touch the hinge, I suggested larger
teeth, top and bottom, and you said fine.

I'm talking how you do it molding it professional not going at it
like a cowboy i now think its is the wells the bigger front thumbs
are missing not so sure if its the teeth now.<

Make a prototype, make a mold of the prototype, etc. Unless you
want to make a bunch of hanges, just work on your own prototype.

This was with the old starter and it was when i broke it i never
did girth work only very light jelqing i had to wait for another
hanger from you i lost the temp gains i had going and also i must
have gain girth hanging was not the same ever since i broke the
starter must have gained girth on the 2 weeks down time i had.

I do horse squeeze and B.T.B jelqing along with regular jelqing
anything to aid with erection and getting better blood flow to the
penis.

Well, there you go. Always save girth work until after you have
reached length goals.

I think that is what makes it better the old starter i feel the
beta needs these front thumbs i think it is better comfort wise and
it allows for more slipping its more stable gives a better grip
that is what i think i could not find out what was missing but i
think that this is it. The thumbs need to be bigger cover more
space in the hanger then i think it will be perfect.<

Every single guys that has tested the hanger likes the front thumbs.
You are grasping at straws. You have no idea what would be
perfect for you. I suggest you try many many different combinations
with the hanger just as it is. You will probably find what is right
for you.

I also think for newbie's there should maybe be gel bib this hanger
has ripped my skin a couple of times.<

There is! It is called the Starter model.

Because circulations with gel and some theraband works better than
a sweat shirt and theraband but I'm not bothered about gel i would
like to see bigger thumbs.

So we are on about the same thing here then these are called the
front thumbs.<

That is correct.

Why the gap here.

Take a look at the pictures.<

Because there is no padding. The hard plastic has to stay away from
the dorsal nerve bundle behind the top of the head.

Bigger
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Right then so as you can see i use to hang in a funny way lying flat on my stomach with my legs on a stool i got this idea from somebody at thunder where he explain the some tribal men where digging holes in the ground then placing doors across the holes and laying flat on there stomach hanging Straight out so i thought ok i will try this and it was incredible i worked my way up to 20 pounds plus i think i was close to 30 pounds not sure tho it could of just been 20 pounds but i use to do a least 5 to 6 sets then work my way down until i could not stand it anymore and never not matter what i have done have i even come close to the stretch and fatigue i could get from this angle the only thing that comes close is the new rice sock technique so when i got the new beta i was excited because i thought i would be able to do this angle again but i have try and try and it just does not feel right i can't get it to work and i could not work out what was wrong until it hit me and as you can see above that is what i feel is wrong and good god you wont believe how long it took me to persuade bigger to make changes to the hanger last time.

And stillwantmore go and get a pulley rigged up and see if you can hang 20 pounds with the new rice sock technique or even try the lying on you stomach and hanging 20 pounds but oh yeah i forgot you sold the hanger oh well lol.

Oh and also it was nothing to do with girth this time.

But yeah i thank bigger for everything that he has done but i am not the sole person that was complaining about the last hanger there was others.

And from what i can see at thunders there is people making changes to the new beta.
http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=71158

But the hanger is still good i will continue to hang with it.
 
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"i also liked the older starter model too but i can't fit in the old starter any more"

See thunder's about beta bib starter.

I filed up an old starter to imitate the beta. I can't make top and bottom teeth grow, but I rounded the lengthwise corners, concaved the side surface like beta, no padding remains, holes are filled with epoxy.

I use some toe out.

I adjust the top bolt first as realmcdeal said to.

I use a head wrap tube, double, and roll it into eight thicknesses behind the glans.

The top bolt is right on the skin, so I have to put a 1" x 2-1/4" rectangle of eighth inch thick jumpusa.com SpringBak insole under the top teeth.

I will buy a Beta or the new production model like that.
 
GOMER_PYLE said:
I may buy one if the MV doesn't work out for me for some reason. I used my Bib Starter again last night and it may not be as comfortable as the MV, but we all know it is effective.
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I've been using the new production model of the bib (not the BETA, just the one created with the new molds) and using a fulcrum. The pull is intense, and it's targeting tissues that I've never felt pull before.
 
I got a "beta" model from Bib recently and have been using it with great success. I have a regular Bib and like this "starter" model of the new beta much better. For those of you that have seen Stillwantmore's video's on hanging, you remember that he used a starter model without the padding/gel. The new bib hanger does not have any padding at all. Wrapping is all important. I find that if I wrap wrong,I need to rewrap and start over. I am able to hang longer periods of time with the new hanger. I do find that the starter model is much easier to use than the regular that I have been using. The reason I think is it gives you a chance to hang with the skin pulled back better. Problems? I don't know of any yet. I scrapped the idea of using the Max Vac, I just could not get it to work without blisters and excessive fluid. There are some who are able to use the Max Vac and I am glad for you. Those that have problems with fluid buildup might seriously consider the new Bib Hanger. But, wrapping is the key. If you wrap too tight, pain, if you wrap too loose, pain too. So, you work on it and soon catch the idea. GS
 
Thats to bad GS , I have never had a blister from the max vac , and im a rookie at hanging , im up to 8 pounds on my MV and i love it cause it takes 10 seconds to put on . and 1 hour just flys by

But the bib SHIT man i can pick that hanger apart

1. I hate wrapping every god danm time
2. have to play with it to get a good grip on my penis
3. yea i cant hang for an hour straight, to painfull
4. effects my erections after a set , and i love to clamp for 10 minutes after a set
5. im not out to put bib down, after all he took hanging to the next level, but i would not go back to the bib after my experiance with my max vac , its that good to me
 
I'm betting as more time goes by and more men start using the MV, more men will post about blisters as they try to exceed 10lbs of weight....and MORE THAN ONE HOUR of hang time. Have you tried multiple sets yet JK??? I was also having zero problems with blistering....as long as I only did ONE SET. If I tried to hang again right after the first set, or even a couple hours later...I got BIG nasty blisters on my glans. When you put the weight on...even with the 'no hand pump' method, the vacuum in the tube goes up in relation to the amount of weight/resistance applied to the MV. The more vac in the tube, the more likely a blister will occur. It's just a fact with any kind of vacuum and the penis.
 
stillwantmore2 said:
I'm betting as more time goes by and more men start using the MV, more men will post about blisters as they try to exceed 10lbs of weight....and MORE THAN ONE HOUR of hang time. Have you tried multiple sets yet JK??? I was also having zero problems with blistering....as long as I only did ONE SET. If I tried to hang again right after the first set, or even a couple hours later...I got BIG nasty blisters on my glans. When you put the weight on...even with the 'no hand pump' method, the vacuum in the tube goes up in relation to the amount of weight/resistance applied to the MV. The more vac in the tube, the more likely a blister will occur. It's just a fact with any kind of vacuum and the penis.
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Hey Still. I have a feeling that using water instead of air inside the cylinder might help with this. I have also not had one single blister and I have done multiple sets with 10 lbs and over. The trick is to use as many sheaths as to keep a certain amount of blood in the glans but not too many to give you circulation issues. This way you do not need to use as much pressure.

I still hang two 1 hour sets with 5 lbs right after each other with no problems and I still gain from doing this as long long as I stick to it for a month or so.
 
German Stallion said:
I don't know of any yet. I scrapped the idea of using the Max Vac, I just could not get it to work without blisters and excessive fluid. There are some who are able to use the Max Vac and I am glad for you. Those that have problems with fluid buildup might seriously consider the new Bib Hanger.
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I hear ya. I own a max-vac and all was going well until I got a blood blister on my glans. Took some 10 days to heal and I couldn't pe at all. I wasn't too woried about the fluid build-up. Are the new Bib Beta's out for distribution yet?
 
I don't think water per say in the cure all, but it may be an excellent addition and needs experimentation. In reference to Stillwantmore, the answer isn't in numbers of users. There are HUNDREDS of MV users. Blistering is most always a result of mis-use, improper conditioning and technique. Anyone that shoots for 5 hours a day of hang time in the first couple of days will be glutten for punisHydromaxent. It's a small commitment in the first month to become conditioned. Once this is surpassed, 1 hour straight hangs are easily achieved. This is impossible with the constrictive hangers. With constriction and pain it is your bodies duty to protect the penis. This is evident with retraction and carries the theory that destructive hanging is a step backward for gains. How can one gain in the shriveled state?

The limits were pushed and I took hanging to unheard of sessions. I could log in 1 day what most would take an entire week. Unfortunately those that did not ease into this will never benefit fom the capability of passive, expansive hanging. One of these hangers left my penis red, and hot. The other would have produced necrosis of dead freezing black blood with a nice shriveled after effect.

Everyone conditions at different levels. Find what your limits are and stay below them. In time, add to it.

Here's when I started pushing limits, and thinking outside of the "20" minute tissue death box.
http://www.mynewsize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16
http://www.mynewsize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24

and we all know where we went from there...
 
That's truly great news, seeing a veteran break through a plateau by gaining an inch inside of a year!

With that, what were your gains from the year of stretching? What were your gains from two years of vice hanging?
 
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