Any black guys who hate the big dick sterotype much as me?

When threads get moved or merged they don't always seem to be followable by their forum page links. I love this forum, and think that it is hands down the most helpful, insightful, useful natural Penis Enlargement resource on the 'net today hands down, but the forum could use some consolidating. This forum has way too many sub-forums and moved posts that die. I've been on messageboards with literally 10 times the number of posts that this one has that have far less sub-forums to water down the main discussion when compared to this one. Sorry to complain, and please believe me when I say that I just want this place to keep getting better and better.
 
Reborn;342799 said:
what evidence do you have that it's definitely untrue? i don't think its racist to say in general black guys are better sprinters or tend to be slightly more thickset or that e.g. black women tend to have bigger asses (:))
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"Racist" is usually defined as the belief in the superiority of one race over another- in this case it's about Black men having "big dicks".

The fact that I've counseled many Black men because of this very issue tells me that there are quite a few of them that don't fit this mold- enough out of a % of my clients to be statistically significant.

Reborn;342799 said:
i've seen the averages and they're slightly bigger for africans vs. whites which in turn bigger than asians. anecdotally, my experience from e.g. gym is a significant minority of africans are well hung, sure they are some huge whites and asians but not as common as africans imho.
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I'm sure that there are all kinds of variations, but I believe that stereotypes, the media and adult entertainment have created this into a harmful standard for Black men. I've seen studies claiming that Black men have a slightly larger length measurement on average [and some that have shown otherwise], and if true, it doesn't mean all or even most Black men possess a "big dick". A very slight statistical difference does not a myth make.

As to your personal experiences, have you considered that many average or less-than-average endowed Black men would be hesitant at voluntarily being nude in a shower setting precisely because of this widespread myth? The same could be said of any voluntary studies. This would skew true averages. A more appropriate assessment would be made in comparing different races of men in situations in which they didn't have any consent at being viewed (i.e. the military or prison). Trying this might get you in trouble though rofl

Reborn;342799 said:
so i would say the evidence is slightly in my favour.
certainly i wouldn't use the word 'myth' as it implies you have scientifically and definitively ruled out any difference between races.
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Evidence for what exactly? I'm not contending that Black men aren't slightly statistically larger- that's not what's being debated here.

A myth by definition (in this case) is: A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal. A myth can exist totally independent from any facts, and this particular one certainly fits the bill.
 
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Reborn;342974 said:
what evidence do you have that you can not pass down organ size? you state it as if it were incontrovertible fact!!!!


i'd say organ sizes are passed down. organs are at proteins, fats etc, the structure of which is determined by your dna. i'd be VERY SURPRISED if organ size was not passed down in fact.


this is not to say if your dad has a big wang then you automatically have a big wang. the same way if your dad is tall, you are not automatically tall.
however if your dad has a big wang and your mum's dad had a big wang, i'd say the chances are you have a big wang.


in answer to your other point, blacks have more fast muscle twitches - yes i am sure this is true. my point is - it is not racist to point out genetic differences between races - as long as there is some EVIDENCE for it. i'd say there is some evidence for the stereotype of big black wangs.


ps : final point. there is some evidence of a correlation between height and penis size. how many asian and white basketball players do you know? :)
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Natural penis size potential is to some degree genetic- it's determined by the "Hox" genes. These genes are responsible for limb development, although that doesn't mean that someone with long arms and legs is going to have a long penis.

The greatest degree of genetic diversity is found in Africans*, which range in height from the very short Pygmies to the very tall Masai.

*Categorization of humans in biomedical research: genes, race and disease
 
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all good points from big al. i'd challenge the racism definition slightly - as in my opinion : its the UNPROVEN or assumption of "superiority of one race over another". however its not racist to generally state black guys are generally genetically superior at sprinting or black women tend to be have big butts its not racist to say black people can handle the sun better than whites.

ie its not racist to point out differences in races - if in fact the differences have actually been shown to be true. there are some genetic differences between races which make one race on average slightly superior. it would be nice to think we're all equal but the evidence such that it is does not support this.

it may be harmful to black guys that don't fit into this stereotype, however just because its harmful does not mean the stereotype does not have some truth. i'm sure some black women feel bad they don't have a big butt but i don't hear many black women denying the stereotype.

i take your point on the negative selection issue (small guys less likely to shower etc) but this would apply to all races i think. you can find faults with all the statistical evidence - i agree it would be better if we were all exactly equal - but the evidence is the best we have - which is - tentatively - blacks tend to be on average slightly bigger - and are much more likely to have the truly big ones.


finally you accept the studies show that blacks are " slightly statistically larger" but you say that is not "the point". eh? the thread is that black dicks are bigger is just a stereotype. i'm saying there is some validity to the stereotype. i'd say it is the point ? sorry maybe i misunderstood.
 
I have a question. Would it make you black guys on here or mixed race whatever politically correct word they now use happy and proud of yourselves like you had the upperhand or one over on other races, if it was the case that black mens dicks were bigger on average than the other races or would you not really give a shit? I think many of you would give a shit and this stuff matters to you deeply being a black man, like its some power perhaps. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Also From all my observations black men are bigger slightly in FLACCID length than other races but when it comes to erect length it all changes and anything goes.

With adult entertainment and all the blacks around well its biased prejudicial bullshit because I can link you several HUGE white guys who put most black mens dicks to shame in length and girth but yet they dont get slapped about all across the web like a black.

I've seen an equal amount of other races than black with the same sizes as them and even much larger. The Shanes, mandingos, lexingtons, shorty macs, ramones et el are all freak sizes no matter what race they may be and not the average black man at all from what I've seen in adult entertainment and from seeing another man erect next to me and would it be fair to say that Shane and Ramone for sure have some white blood in them down the line? This could be another question for another day perhaps on this blacks could be bigger debate because if you look around this world today and all the mixing of blood between races and nations such as a white country and a black one, could it than be that the mixtures have also provided good genes for certain individuals to have a large penis which wouldnt normally occur in the single race such as black or white? food for thought.

If the wind changed and rumours went about that men from Latvia for example, had huge monster fucking dicks than Latvian men or men from around that region would appear on the net with huge cocks ... men in that area with huge cocks, but it would make it look like the whole tribe was hung like a crane and a new debate arrises ... are the Latvian men the biggest of all! we on the same wavelength here?
 
it wouldn't make me one bit of a damn difference if my race was on average bigger than any other race...just like right now it's good to know that i am above average and probably bigger than most guys but it doesn't make me feel superior..when african americans start making more money on average than our white counterpart..then that might be something to be proud of :-)
 
Hey guys. Lets all calm down with this stuff. I'm black and my pre Penis Enlargement size was 8 inches but who cares. I bet you guys a million dollars that on this planet we call Earth there is an ASIAN GUY SOME WHERE WITH A HUGE 8-9 INCH DICK. We are all here for one goal and that goal is to increase our dick size for our own individual reasons. We are all a brotherhood of men that should be helping each other, no matter what race. I am declaring a new race. THE Penis Enlargement RACE. LOL
 
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Your right KINGSNAKE, When i first started this thread I didnt think it would turn into this. I was some what joking when i made it. Im a black guy with a normal size and Im alright with that but I want to have a monster for some of these size queens out there.I know ALOT of girls who havent been with anyone big and they have been with most races. And I know chicks that have been with bigger guys and they hated it cause the guys didnt know what they were doing. Everyone went a little overboard with there views on it when it came to race. WE ALL ARE HERE FOR THE SOME REASON. we all might not be the some color but we all are not satified with are current size.
 
When it comes to penis size there are huge and microsized in each race. Please dont let adult entertainment fry your brian. I know alot of black guys who are uncomfortable with there small cocks so the guys who say blacks are bigger your just believing some myth that you want let go.
 
it's no big deal at all..but most threads that has anything remotely to do with race usually ends up going the wrong way on the board....it's been like that for years...noone's fault really but i think some people have a misconcieved idea of of black guys or blacks in general...there are more sterotypes than the penis thing...some view us as over-confident, show boating, shit talking guys that walk around with our nose up in the air due to some characteristics or physical attributes that some of us have....by the way i always wish i could dunk..but being 5'9 with weak calf muscles..it wasn't in the plans :-D

i hope noone take offense at other people views here..because there are just other people opinions and i learned a long time ago, don't put too much into anyone else's opinion especially on boards like these..you rarely can change anyone minds or perception so it's just best to let people have their own opinions and not argue about it
 
I went to an all black school (I was the only white kid) and I have to say I did not notice any huge differences in the locker room.
 
Reborn;344032 said:
all good points from big al. i'd challenge the racism definition slightly - as in my opinion : its the UNPROVEN or assumption of "superiority of one race over another". however its not racist to generally state black guys are generally genetically superior at sprinting or black women tend to be have big butts its not racist to say black people can handle the sun better than whites.
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The definition isn't mine, it's a paraphrase of the widely accepted definition you'll find in most texts.

Reborn;344032 said:
ie its not racist to point out differences in races - if in fact the differences have actually been shown to be true. there are some genetic differences between races which make one race on average slightly superior. it would be nice to think we're all equal but the evidence such that it is does not support this.

it may be harmful to black guys that don't fit into this stereotype, however just because its harmful does not mean the stereotype does not have some truth. i'm sure some black women feel bad they don't have a big butt but i don't hear many black women denying the stereotype.

i take your point on the negative selection issue (small guys less likely to shower etc) but this would apply to all races i think.
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But wouldn't this affect Black men more? If you were a Black man that was less-than-endowed, how would you feel about getting naked in front of a bunch of people knowing that they're going to expect you to be well hung?

Reborn;344032 said:
you can find faults with all the statistical evidence -
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I wasn't doing anything of the sort :)

Reborn;344032 said:
i agree it would be better if we were all exactly equal - but the evidence is the best we have - which is - tentatively - blacks tend to be on average slightly bigger - and are much more likely to have the truly big ones.
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Again, what evidence is that? Another obstacle is the definition of "Black". Would you be referring to a particular subrace in Africa or to the multitude of people that classify themselves as "Black" in the USA? The latter has such a broad spectrum of genetic diversity and mixture of non-Black lineage that it would be impossible to classify them as a group accurately. That's why they refer to themselves as "African-Americans". You would have a more solid position if you could prove that a insular subrace like the Masai of Africa had naturally larger than average penises.

Reborn;344032 said:
finally you accept the studies show that blacks are " slightly statistically larger" but you say that is not "the point". eh? the thread is that black dicks are bigger is just a stereotype. i'm saying there is some validity to the stereotype. i'd say it is the point ? sorry maybe i misunderstood.
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I accept that the study showed that the Black participants were slightly statistically larger, not that ALL or even a majority of Black men have larger than average penises. The very popular study that I was referring to showed a difference of .1" between White and Black men. Do you think that most people would consider someone with .1" of a difference as being enough to make a visible difference?

Here's an interesting possibility to consider- it being a voluntary study, how many less-than-endowed Black men do you think would volunteer to participate?
 
Big Al;344127 said:
The definition isn't mine, it's a paraphrase of the widely accepted definition you'll find in most texts.

you need to back this up with evidence. this kind of statement is patronising as it implies that you are extremely widely read and anyone that disagrees with your definition should do some further reading. i didn't realise you were a scholar of racism and you were so widely read on this point. if you want a debate about this lets do it in a separate forum. however, i think i gave enough evidence there is differences between races and its not racist to point this out. i don't think there is anything more to say on this point.


"But wouldn't this affect Black men more? If you were a Black man that was less-than-endowed, how would you feel about getting naked in front of a bunch of people knowing that they're going to expect you to be well hung?"

this is a theory of yours big al, it is subjective and may or not be true. there's nothing more to say on this other than its a theory.


"Again, what evidence is that? Another obstacle is the definition of "Black". Would you be referring to a particular subrace in Africa or to the multitude of people that classify themselves as "Black" in the USA? The latter has such a broad spectrum of genetic diversity and mixture of non-Black lineage that it would be impossible to classify them as a group accurately. That's why they refer to themselves as "African-Americans". You would have a more solid position if you could prove that a insular subrace like the Masai of Africa had naturally larger than average penises. "

i don't think it matters hugely. people refer to asians or whites. genetic differences have evolved over millions of years - in response to the sun, humidity, or other factors. i doubt the movement of black people to europe or the USA over the last 200-300 years will have materially impacted the correlation between black skin and penis size.


"I accept that the study showed that the Black participants were slightly statistically larger, not that ALL or even a majority of Black men have larger than average penises. The very popular study that I was referring to showed a difference of .1" between White and Black men. Do you think that most people would consider someone with .1" of a difference as being enough to make a visible difference?"

my contention - and it is only a contention BIG AL - is that blacks are on average slightly bigger with a FAT TAIL distribution. ie they are more likely to have the truly large wang.
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I dont think this race thread has gone the wrong way on the boards at all. I asked a very simple question and only one guy replied directly to it and since than it seems to have caused a slight undercurrent and rocked the boat which wasnt the intention but in this politically correct world one cant mention race or even migrants without one thinking the speaker or in this case writer is perhaps racist etc.

My post imo was fucking awesome and made valid points about the whole size issue which all of you have conveniently skimmed over such as the story if for example Latvians had huge cocks would everyone be like they got the big dig in town? If this hits a nerve with you black guys than I really dont care as I have many black mates mostly born and bread in Africa such as Kenya, South Africa and Nigeria who are very open about this topic and who I have spoken with about it. I think it ''could'' be more western blacks who blow this big dick crap up, not incl guys on here who can see through the pile of shit but the jerks you guys know I'm referring to about here and its those mostly in western countries and not the African ones who showboat from what I know, you may know or have different views.

Here's my question again
I have a question. Would it make you black guys on here or mixed race whatever politically correct word they now use happy and proud of yourselves like you had the upperhand or one over on other races, if it was the case that black mens dicks were bigger on average than the other races or would you not really give a shit? I think many of you would give a shit and this stuff matters to you deeply being a black man, like its some power perhaps. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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I will also copy my post from the last page which had good points in imo and should not have caused anyone to get offended.

Also From all my observations black men are bigger slightly in FLACCID length than other races but when it comes to erect length it all changes and anything goes.

With adult entertainment and all the blacks around well its biased prejudicial bullshit because I can link you several HUGE white guys who put most black mens dicks to shame in length and girth but yet they dont get slapped about all across the web like a black.

I've seen an equal amount of other races than black with the same sizes as them and even much larger. The Shanes, mandingos, lexingtons, shorty macs, ramones et el are all freak sizes no matter what race they may be and not the average black man at all from what I've seen in adult entertainment and from seeing another man erect next to me and would it be fair to say that Shane and Ramone for sure have some white blood in them down the line? This could be another question for another day perhaps on this blacks could be bigger debate because if you look around this world today and all the mixing of blood between races and nations such as a white country and a black one, could it than be that the mixtures have also provided good genes for certain individuals to have a large penis which wouldnt normally occur in the single race such as black or white? food for thought.

If the wind changed and rumours went about that men from Latvia for example, had huge monster fucking dicks than Latvian men or men from around that region would appear on the net with huge cocks ... men in that area with huge cocks, but it would make it look like the whole tribe was hung like a crane and a new debate arrises ... are the Latvian men the biggest of all! we on the same wavelength here?
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That came from this post

I would agree with the latest posts that race dosnt matter really, because infact no races exist if you read various Gene experts who study human evolution its us HUMANS who made groups called races to distinguish differences and that has caused lots of shit in this world when we are all the SAME really. Where do you draw the line? I think its widely excepted around 4-5 races exist, thats what we all refer to such as Black, White, Asian, Arab and mixed but did you know that some geneticists have over 50 or more groupings for race? did you infact know and this is fact from studies done in Italy that going just 25 miles from one town to another you will see DIFFERENCES in the local population and many countries such as Italy with areas like Florence and Pisa regarding the other as foreign and a different race. Race is just a term to me for grouping people, we are all the same at the end of the day, no one is better than the other at all.
 
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Big Al;344127 said:
The definition isn't mine, it's a paraphrase of the widely accepted definition you'll find in most texts.
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you need to back this up with evidence. this kind of statement is patronising as it implies that you are extremely widely read and anyone that disagrees with your definition should do some further reading. i didn't realise you were a scholar of racism and you were so widely read on this point. if you want a debate about this lets do it in a separate forum. however, i think i gave enough evidence there is differences between races and its not racist to point this out. i don't think there is anything more to say on this point.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

I'm no "scholar of racism"- I just read a lot :) It's not my intention to offend anyone, but I am interested in facts and evidence for things. Up until now this has been a civil debate. Let's keep it that way please.

IMPORTANT- I'm not trying to be politically correct nor am I attaching a negative or positive connotation to the way that possible "racism" can be attributed to penis size. Case in point- it's a fact that a very high percentage of the top Olympic sprinters are Black. While that doesn't mean that ALL Black men are fast runners it does lend some evidence towards possible genetic superiority in this particular area. This statement is technically racist but it's backed by facts. Evidence is what's at the core of this debate- whether it's subjective or objective.

Reborn;344149 said:
"But wouldn't this affect Black men more? If you were a Black man that was less-than-endowed, how would you feel about getting naked in front of a bunch of people knowing that they're going to expect you to be well hung?"

this is a theory of yours big al, it is subjective and may or not be true. there's nothing more to say on this other than its a theory.
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I disagree. Don't forget, I have counseled many Black men and this is actually a common topic of discussion. Many of my Black clients' top requests are "quick fixes" to appear temporarily larger in settings like the shower or the pool.

Reborn;344149 said:
"Again, what evidence is that? Another obstacle is the definition of "Black". Would you be referring to a particular subrace in Africa or to the multitude of people that classify themselves as "Black" in the USA? The latter has such a broad spectrum of genetic diversity and mixture of non-Black lineage that it would be impossible to classify them as a group accurately. That's why they refer to themselves as "African-Americans". You would have a more solid position if you could prove that a insular subrace like the Masai of Africa had naturally larger than average penises. "

i don't think it matters hugely. people refer to asians or whites. genetic differences have evolved over millions of years - in response to the sun, humidity, or other factors. i doubt the movement of black people to europe or the USA over the last 200-300 years will have materially impacted the correlation between black skin and penis size.
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Being Black is more than just skin color. There are, of course, inherited traits common to particular races. That being said, several hundred years is plenty of time to muddle a gene pool- especially when you consider the manner in which many people of the Black races were introduced to this country.

Reborn;344149 said:
"I accept that the study showed that the Black participants were slightly statistically larger, not that ALL or even a majority of Black men have larger than average penises. The very popular study that I was referring to showed a difference of .1" between White and Black men. Do you think that most people would consider someone with .1" of a difference as being enough to make a visible difference?"

my contention - and it is only a contention BIG AL - is that blacks are on average slightly bigger with a FAT TAIL distribution. ie they are more likely to have the truly large wang.
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Again, what evidence do you have for this "Fat Tail" theory? I'm not contending that, I'm just interested in where you're getting your evidence for this particular theory- that's all :)
 
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Red,

You bring up some very good points. The concept of "race" is artificial and many geneticists will agree that there's often more genetic variances for many traits within a race that there are between races. With the globalization of humanity the dividing lines are getting even blurrier.

The adult entertainment thing seems to promote this myth. While I may not have the contacts in the world of adult entertainment that DLD does rofl, I've had some adult entertainment weBathmateasters as acquaintances and this topic has come up. They would tell you that if they were looking for a Black man to star in their clips that he has to appear hung- much more so than you'd reasonably expect from someone of a different race. The reasoning behind it is that's "it's expected" and "it makes for good adult entertainment". It's not uncommon to have these men constantly fluffed, on Viagra, or having used a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penis pump[/words] (not to mention camera angling) in order to ensure that they appear as large as possible.

While "it makes or good adult entertainment" it further alienates typical Black men because they feel that they have to live up to (or at least come close to) the Mandingos and Steeles of the adult entertainment world.
 
Exactly - Also while the topic of human genes is here I have to say checkout books by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, the Italian population geneticist who allot can be learned from. He gathered more data than anyone else. I have most of his books and they are GREAT reads although very deep. Look at his bestwork ''The history and geography of human genes'' where all the data is present for everynation you could shake a stick and than some. Traits such as light eyes, dark eyes, skin colour, blood type etc etc are all mentioned. He's got a smaller book with much condensed info from the former called ''Genes, Peoples and languages''.
 
Big Al;344183 said:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

I'm no "scholar of racism"- I just read a lot :) It's not my intention to offend anyone, but I am interested in facts and evidence for things. Up until now this has been a civil debate. Let's keep it that way please.

i'm all for a civil debate - i'm not the one who comes across as patronising. you don't have the answers - try to listen to other views as well big al.


"IMPORTANT- I'm not trying to be politically correct nor am I attaching a negative or positive connotation to the way that possible "racism" can be attributed to penis size. Case in point- it's a fact that a very high percentage of the top Olympic sprinters are Black. While that doesn't mean that ALL Black men are fast runners it does lend some evidence towards possible genetic superiority in this particular area. This statement is technically racist but it's backed by facts. Evidence is what's at the core of this debate- whether it's subjective or objective. "


i'm pleased to see you've FINALLY accepted this. finally.



"I disagree. Don't forget, I have counseled many Black men and this is actually a common topic of discussion. Many of my Black clients' top requests are "quick fixes" to appear temporarily larger in settings like the shower or the pool. "

this is hardly evidence - pure anecdotal. please try to do better than this big al.



"Being Black is more than just skin color. There are, of course, inherited traits common to particular races. That being said, several hundred years is plenty of time to muddle a gene pool- especially when you consider the manner in which many people of the Black races were introduced to this country."

this is just rubbish big al. how can you have black skin and not be black?


Again, what evidence do you have for this "Fat Tail" theory? I'm not contending that, I'm just interested in where you're getting your evidence for this particular theory- that's all :)
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this is the strongest part of your argument so far. i only have anecdotal evidence i'm afraid - EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU! i guess we'll have to wait for stronger evidence to emerge!
 
Reborn;344246 said:
i'm all for a civil debate - i'm not the one who comes across as patronising. you don't have the answers - try to listen to other views as well big al.
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How exactly am I "patronizing"- because I'm countering certain aspects of your arguments? That's what an intelligent, sensible exchange of ideas is about.

I'm completely open to new ideas and concepts. Where have I shown otherwise? Are you able to do the same without resorting to insults?

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i'm pleased to see you've FINALLY accepted this. finally.
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Again, when did I refute this? You seem to be under the impression that I've set you up as my antagonist- I haven't.

Reborn;344246 said:
this is just rubbish big al. how can you have black skin and not be black?
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How about certain people from India and Southeast Asia? Native Australians? Many of them have very dark skin- some many shades darker than you'd find in typical African Americans. That alone doesn't classify them as "Black".

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this is hardly evidence - pure anecdotal. please try to do better than this big al.
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Reborn;344246 said:
this is the strongest part of your argument so far. i only have anecdotal evidence i'm afraid - EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU! i guess we'll have to wait for stronger evidence to emerge!
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"EXACTLY" the same as me? Now who's being patronizing? ;) Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that only data coming out of certain institutions are valid! If that were your line of thinking you wouldn't be a regular participant on this forum- whose methods are deemed by much of the medical establisHydromaxent as scammish, ineffective, and dangerous.

You base a theory that Black men are responsible for the "Fat Tail" in extremely large penis sizes because you saw a few hung men in a shower. I merely ask for more evidence of your conclusions- objective or subjective-and instead of providing valid replies your arguments degrade to Ad Hominem attacks.

There are many Black men of "average" and less-than-average penile dimensions who are negatively affected by the "Black Myth". I'm basing this stance from my having counseled many Black men- a larger percentage of Black men than are represented by their percentage of the population of the US in fact- in the course of over 10 years. In a good proportion of these particular cases they have stated that this "Black Myth" is the reason for their distress, and I consider that to be very strong evidence indeed! I don't think that these men would be wasting their time or money by providing me with false information- especially when they're admitting something painful about themselves and when it's to their benefit to be as candid as possible.

While I'm a counselor to these men I'm also sympathetic to their pain. There's nothing innocent about a myth with no solid foundation that's so endemic, widespread, and believed by so many that it negatively impacts so many men's lives!
 
REDZULU2003;344237 said:
Exactly - Also while the topic of human genes is here I have to say checkout books by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, the Italian population geneticist who allot can be learned from. He gathered more data than anyone else. I have most of his books and they are GREAT reads although very deep. Look at his bestwork ''The history and geography of human genes'' where all the data is present for everynation you could shake a stick and than some. Traits such as light eyes, dark eyes, skin colour, blood type etc etc are all mentioned. He's got a smaller book with much condensed info from the former called ''Genes, Peoples and languages''.
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I'll have to check that out- thanks!
 
fair points by the big al. the problem is evidence or lack of it. i'll search google to see if there is any actual evidence for this but if anyone has survey evidence on race that's not been discussed i'd like to see it.

one other point on the surveys and bias. would there a bias to not reporting larger penis sizes for black guys? its been a fairly controversial topic in the past and there may actually be a motive to conceal any findings which might confirm this.
 
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fair points by the big al. the problem is evidence or lack of it. i'll search google to see if there is any actual evidence for this but if anyone has survey evidence on race that's not been discussed i'd like to see it.
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That's my point exactly- there's no real hard evidence for the myth except hearsay and media hype. If there were a place where you'd find it it would be in a huge forum like this, yet all of the surveys show otherwise.

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one other point on the surveys and bias. would there a bias to not reporting larger penis sizes for black guys? its been a fairly controversial topic in the past and there may actually be a motive to conceal any findings which might confirm this.
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There might be- depending on who's taking the survey. If it's a voluntary survey then it would be likely that many Black men wouldn't volunteer unless they were endowed.
 
Great input thus far from Big Al and Reborn.

Big Al what do you think of the following quoted
would it be fair to say that Shane and Ramone for sure have some white blood in them down the line? This could be another question for another day perhaps on this blacks could be bigger debate because if you look around this world today and all the mixing of blood between races and nations such as a white country and a black one, could it than be that the mixtures have also provided good genes for certain individuals to have a large penis which wouldnt normally occur in the single race such as black or white? food for thought.
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I think its an interesting point.

More interesting is the following, again for you to respond on.

If the wind changed and rumours went about that men from Latvia for example, had huge monster fucking dicks than Latvian men or men from around that region would appear on the net with huge cocks ... men in that area with huge cocks, but it would make it look like the whole tribe was hung like a crane and a new debate arrises ... are the Latvian men the biggest of all! we on the same wavelength here?
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Anyone feel free to reply or remain silent if it offends you.
 
REDZULU2003;344334 said:
Great input thus far from Big Al and Reborn.

Big Al what do you think of the following quoted

would it be fair to say that Shane and Ramone for sure have some white blood in them down the line? This could be another question for another day perhaps on this blacks could be bigger debate because if you look around this world today and all the mixing of blood between races and nations such as a white country and a black one, could it than be that the mixtures have also provided good genes for certain individuals to have a large penis which wouldnt normally occur in the single race such as black or white? food for thought.

I think its an interesting point.
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Thanks :) There might be something to it. "Hybrid vigor" is a well known phenomenon among geneticists.

REDZULU2003;344334 said:
More interesting is the following, again for you to respond on.

If the wind changed and rumours went about that men from Latvia for example, had huge monster fucking dicks than Latvian men or men from around that region would appear on the net with huge cocks ... men in that area with huge cocks, but it would make it look like the whole tribe was hung like a crane and a new debate arrises ... are the Latvian men the biggest of all! we on the same wavelength here?

Anyone feel free to reply or remain silent if it offends you.
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That might happen, but you'd probably have to find an isolated village or tribe to find something like that. It would be something if such a tribe did exist. Not sure if they would be open to putting themselves on the net just because they're extremely hung though if they're insular- at least in sufficient numbers to validate the claims.

I'm thinking that researchers should go in to compile data, which would lend a lot more credence than adult entertainment movies :)
 
Thanks but I think I didnt word the Latvian part rightly.

What I meant was if this whole black big dick size talk wasnt about as much and it was LATVIANS who were suddenly talked about in the media for haveing whopper freakish cocks than do you think that Latvians or eastern europeans would start to appear in adult entertainment everywhere with big dicks? Like with the blacks at the moment, they arent anybigger on average imo in erect size than whites but flaccid yes, so if the Latvian scenario started would you reckon the adult entertainment industry have them setup like they do with blacks, the most well hung ones, on viagra, pumping etc and than a NEW MYTH starts all across the web and whore girls dont want black chocolate dick but strong eastern european Latvian cock and its the Latvian men that are known for being well hung, thanks to a few huge freaks that set the base for the new model.

Do you get what I'm sayin? it wouldnt matter if they were GREEN skinned orcs, if someone had a large cock than the adult entertainment world would sniff it and use it, grabbing guys from the area and blowing them up to that ideal huge size. The rest of us watching adult entertainment would have our minds warped and bent again alongwith the various other forms of life that attend the media such as size quenns and whatever else.
 
if anyone has a lot of patience here is a forum which may or may not shed some light on it...

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=57867&page=13

of interest so far:

* theory of scarce resources (rather than heat) may explain any geographical differences in penis size. the theory is that a large penis requires a larger amount of resources (energy i guess) and that in regions where resources are scarce, smaller penises will be favoured as part of evolution. (some controversial discussion regarding difficulty of terrain/scarcity of resources leading to larger brain size (to deal with difficult terrain) leading to smaller penis size (as larger brain takes resources).


* theory of penis as a 'heat exchanger' generally found not credible. would explain why indians in a hot climate allegedly small penises.


* theory of penis shape designed to shovel out other mens sperm (explains the thrusting before ejaculation apparently). the more unfaithful the women are, the larger the penis tends to be apparently.

all food for thought...
 
The volume of the brains of blacks average at 1,267cc's with IQs at 85.
The volume of the brains of whites average at 1,347cc's with IQs at 100.
The volume of the brains of Orientals average at 1,364cc's with IQs at 106.


leaving aside the tortorous issue of how to measure iq, how much of the difference is environmental etc...

its interesting to note there are MAY be physical differences in race (i have not seen any proper verification this was from a forum).

one theory is that africans did not leave africa, they stayed where they were. europeans and asians left africa and for whatever reason had a tougher environment to deal with and tougher evolution meant they evolved slightly larger brain masses to deal with this. as a result they had less resources to devote to penis size. jewish people for example have had the hardest time through history and some studies of IQ, they score the highest (though this could easily be the result of cultural importance of education in their society). if there is a payoff between resources, this would imply jews had smaller penises.

i have no idea if the above statements are correct or not. indeed they are controversial in the extreme and i would caution against believing unless there is much more evidence. i post them in the spirit of continuing the discussion.
 
Maybe I watch to many things relating to sex but i realize that guys from brazil and are latin and all places like all have monster girth so maybe one of these races might be the biggest.
 
REDZULU2003;344352 said:
Thanks but I think I didnt word the Latvian part rightly.

What I meant was if this whole black big dick size talk wasnt about as much and it was LATVIANS who were suddenly talked about in the media for haveing whopper freakish cocks than do you think that Latvians or eastern europeans would start to appear in adult entertainment everywhere with big dicks? Like with the blacks at the moment, they arent anybigger on average imo in erect size than whites but flaccid yes, so if the Latvian scenario started would you reckon the adult entertainment industry have them setup like they do with blacks, the most well hung ones, on viagra, pumping etc and than a NEW MYTH starts all across the web and whore girls dont want black chocolate dick but strong eastern european Latvian cock and its the Latvian men that are known for being well hung, thanks to a few huge freaks that set the base for the new model.

Do you get what I'm sayin? it wouldnt matter if they were GREEN skinned orcs, if someone had a large cock than the adult entertainment world would sniff it and use it, grabbing guys from the area and blowing them up to that ideal huge size. The rest of us watching adult entertainment would have our minds warped and bent again alongwith the various other forms of life that attend the media such as size quenns and whatever else.
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That's a good question. I think a lot of the appeal for "Big Black" adult entertainment is tied to some residual taboos, cuckolding and humiliation fetishes, and the appeal of the myth. I don't think "Big Latvian" adult entertainment would be nearly as successful, but I could be wrong :)
 
To the other black dudes constantly postin on this thread, brainstorming, analyzing, stop bitching and start Penis Enlargementing. Harsh advice, but just get of your ass and DO IT!!
 
Big Al;344410 said:
That's a good question. I think a lot of the appeal for "Big Black" adult entertainment is tied to some residual taboos, cuckolding and humiliation fetishes, and the appeal of the myth. I don't think "Big Latvian" adult entertainment would be nearly as successful, but I could be wrong :)
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I would have to agree with you on that :)
 
Ok I will get this thread back onto the rails [Any black guys who hate the big dick Stereotype] with a link to a gay black pornsite. Now please be MATURE now and do not post anti-gay messages or you'll get warned for it, no need. You do not have to look at this next link and I found it by accident on the web looking at some Shane Diesel because in the gallery it had two black guys at it, so I clicked because they were average size and I thought it would make a good place to post it here.

Click it and see yourself that most Black men are AVERAGE IN Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE ... this link proves it. No monsters, No shanes, No mandingos, No Ramones, No shorty Mac JUST plain zane average cocks, like the others and that should make the black men on the forums pleased ... the whole point of the thread right? kick this stereotype right up the ass into orbit.

Heres is the link ... gay adult entertainment so you click it at your own risk
 
REDZULU2003;344472 said:
Ok I will get this thread back onto the rails [Any black guys who hate the big dick Stereotype] with a link to a gay black pornsite. Now please be MATURE now and do not post anti-gay messages or you'll get warned for it, no need. You do not have to look at this next link and I found it by accident on the web looking at some Shane Diesel because in the gallery it had two black guys at it, so I clicked because they were average size and I thought it would make a good place to post it here.

Click it and see yourself that most Black men are AVERAGE IN Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE ... this link proves it. No monsters, No shanes, No mandingos, No Ramones, No shorty Mac JUST plain zane average cocks, like the others and that should make the black men on the forums pleased ... the whole point of the thread right? kick this stereotype right up the ass into orbit.

Heres is the link ... gay adult entertainment so you click it at your own risk
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this link has some studies showing differences between race, no idea how accurate these studies are.

http://www.neoteny.org/neoteny/a/testiclesize.html

excerpt : "The ethnographic record {e.g., A French Army Surgeon (1898/1972), a 30-year specialist in genitourinary diseases} makes reference to numerous anatomical distinctions which show a similar pattern of whites being between blacks and Orientals. These include the placement of female genitals (Orientals front and high; blacks back and low); angle and texture of erection (Orientals parallel to body and stiff, blacks at right angles to body and flexible); salient buttocks, breasts, and muscularity (Orientals least, blacks most); and size of genitalia (Orientals smallest, blacks largest). We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and found the means to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and 1.25 in. in diameter; Caucasions, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in. in diameter; blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter. Women were proportionate to men, with Orientals having smaller vaginas and blacks larger ones, relative to Caucasians. Clitoral size differed in length: in European women, 1.2 in.; in African women, 2 in. variations were noted; in French West Indies, the size of the penis and vagina covaried with amount of black admixture; Arab men, who were often mixed with black, had larger penises than Europeans. Recent data show similar patterns. Measurements taken from living subjects as well as those at autopsy, show the size of testes is twofold lower in Asian men than Europeans (9 g vs 21 g), a difference too large to be accounted for entirely in terms of body size (Diamond, 1986; Short, 1984). Concomitantly, as mentioned, Asian women have lower ovulation rates than Caucasian women, as indexed by dizotic twin frequency, with the frequency per 1000 across several Asian populations being < 4, while for Caucasians it is 8, and for blacks 16 per 1000 (Bulmer, 1970; Diamond, 1986). Contrary to the general trend, Freeman (1934) observed that, at autopsy, American blacks had less heavy testes than American whites (13g vs 15g). Freeman (1934), however, did find that black women had heavier ovaries than white women. Subsequently Daniel, Fienstein, Howard-Peebles, and Baxley (1982) found no black-white difference in testicular volume among American adolescents, while Ajmani, Jain, and Saxena (1985) found larger scrotal circumference in Nigerians than Europeans (212.6 mm vs 195.1 mm or 8.37 in. vs 7.68 in.).
 
Nice links Reborn, thanks mate. The part on Vaginal size is handy for another thread we have in the sexuality section, a poll on vaginal tightness with race, age and build as factors.
 
Reborn;344521 said:
this link has some studies showing differences between race, no idea how accurate these studies are.

http://www.neoteny.org/neoteny/a/testiclesize.html

excerpt : "The ethnographic record {e.g., A French Army Surgeon (1898/1972), a 30-year specialist in genitourinary diseases} makes reference to numerous anatomical distinctions which show a similar pattern of whites being between blacks and Orientals. These include the placement of female genitals (Orientals front and high; blacks back and low); angle and texture of erection (Orientals parallel to body and stiff, blacks at right angles to body and flexible); salient buttocks, breasts, and muscularity (Orientals least, blacks most); and size of genitalia (Orientals smallest, blacks largest). We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and found the means to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and 1.25 in. in diameter; Caucasions, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in. in diameter; blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter. Women were proportionate to men, with Orientals having smaller vaginas and blacks larger ones, relative to Caucasians. Clitoral size differed in length: in European women, 1.2 in.; in African women, 2 in. variations were noted; in French West Indies, the size of the penis and vagina covaried with amount of black admixture; Arab men, who were often mixed with black, had larger penises than Europeans. Recent data show similar patterns. Measurements taken from living subjects as well as those at autopsy, show the size of testes is twofold lower in Asian men than Europeans (9 g vs 21 g), a difference too large to be accounted for entirely in terms of body size (Diamond, 1986; Short, 1984). Concomitantly, as mentioned, Asian women have lower ovulation rates than Caucasian women, as indexed by dizotic twin frequency, with the frequency per 1000 across several Asian populations being < 4, while for Caucasians it is 8, and for blacks 16 per 1000 (Bulmer, 1970; Diamond, 1986). Contrary to the general trend, Freeman (1934) observed that, at autopsy, American blacks had less heavy testes than American whites (13g vs 15g). Freeman (1934), however, did find that black women had heavier ovaries than white women. Subsequently Daniel, Fienstein, Howard-Peebles, and Baxley (1982) found no black-white difference in testicular volume among American adolescents, while Ajmani, Jain, and Saxena (1985) found larger scrotal circumference in Nigerians than Europeans (212.6 mm vs 195.1 mm or 8.37 in. vs 7.68 in.).
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Now THIS is some interesting data! I'd be interested to know if they did a more detailed breakdown, as "Caucasian", "Black" and "Asian" is pretty generalized. Also, how did he obtain those erect measurements?
 
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I want someone to have the balls to comment on that gay black site, mature comments on what they think about the cocks on show? look around average to me, like anyone else. Black guys here shiuld be pleased but all I got from Ithiel was a ....... < WTF Chico
 
i took one look and hit the back button!

my wife is black which might help explain the interest in the topic but i am not this interested! :)
 
Big Al;344566 said:
Now THIS is some interesting data! I'd be interested to know if they did a more detailed breakdown, as "Caucasian", "Black" and "Asian" is pretty generalized.
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there is little or no detail on any of this studies as far as i can see as to the methodology. one has to bear in mind some of these studies were written by people with definite biases in mind which they wanted 'evidence' to confirm this...(ie a possible bias would be ,in their heads, they wanted to proved blacks have lower iqs, larger dicks)

kinsey study is flawed/useless as far i can work out due to self reporting and the tiny sample of blacks used; so the 6.3 vs. 6.2 doesn't mean anything.

some of the other studies seem to indicate whites may have bigger dicks on average.

the smallness of asians seems slightly more consistent but again hardly you something you'd hang your hat on.

i'm beginning to think it may only be a myth after all :):):) but lets at least try to find more evidence either way.
 
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