The Penis is a BALLOON not a ROPE

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I have read many posts in my time on the impact of girth effecting length and visa-versa. Some men believe training girth may hinder length gains and I want to debate this. In my opinion Length and Girth not only complement each other but a small gain in both directions increase the total size of your penis then if you made the same gain in any single area

I hear people comparing the penis to rope or a rubber band stating that it is easier to stretch a thinner rope or band in comparison to a thicker one. I completely agree with this theory but I feel it is a poor penile comparison. The penis is more like a balloon as it is filled with blood when we get an erection and emptied when we are flaccid.

The reason I debate this is simple you can't fill a rope with liquid so it is impossible to expand the rope through increasing thickness. But you can expand a balloon length and thickness by increasing its load capacity. When you fill a balloon past it’s capacity it not only grows wider but longer too. The penis is very similar to balloon in that when we fill it with blood during an erection it expands outward and upward.

With that said I think it is a bad decision to neglect girth in hopes for better length gains. I have always trained both Length and Girth with as much intensity as the other with very good results. What are your opinions?
 
Yeah i totally agree with this good theory and makes sense.
 
Hey, we were chatting about this earlier too! LOL.

I agree. I'm working on girth right now because that is what my current schedule best allows for. Then, when I hit my girth goal I am going back on the attack for more length. I will probably gain a little more girth...most likely in the base because I will be hanging again. I bet Redzulu agrees too with this idea.
 
DLD,

I asked this once before and never got a response - it's mostly curiosity - do any of the ligs go all the way to the glans or do all ligs terminate at the base of the tunica and in turn the head is attached to the tunica?

It seems like some ligs go all the way to the head.
 
Well from my extensive jelqing AND stretching, i've had no Pencil Dick effect at all, and I don't think stretching and jelqing counteract each other... or do they ? I'm not to sure on that one.
 
Originally posted by Al100
DLD,

I asked this once before and never got a response - it's mostly curiosity - do any of the ligs go all the way to the glans or do all ligs terminate at the base of the tunica and in turn the head is attached to the tunica?

It seems like some ligs go all the way to the head.
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I'm pretty sure that at least two ligaments run along the sides pretty much from the base of the penis to almost the very front. I may be wrong though.
 
I have gained length from Ulies. I couldn't tell you how much exactly. I never kept track of that sort of thing since I stretch a lot too.
But think about it though... of course Ulies would provide length gains, and not just from a bigger glans. You're expanding in all directions.... outwards as well.
 
You're right DLD, at least to some extend. But IMO it's even more complicated cause the penile chambers are neither robes nor balloons. If anything there are something like balloons but filled not only with blood but with internal structures, similar to a sponge(I think I even read somewhere refering to it as spongy tissue). Which leads to the conclusion that in fully flaccid state you may really compare somehow with a rope but in a at least semi-erect state refer to it as balloon which basically corresponds with your observation of 3dimensional growth(width/depth/length) due to erect exercises.

Does this make any sence?
 
Originally posted by pole
If anything there are something like balloons but filled not only with blood but with internal structures, similar to a sponge
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I don't think the internal sponge structure has much tensile strength. The limiting factor, especially as far as girth is concerned, is the outer sheath of fiberous skin around the chambers (not the outer outer layer of skin.)

I think if you can stretch the outer sheath with uli's and the like, the inner sponge will expand into the new volume.

Or so it seems to me.

I've seen the theories that say jelqing helps increase the spongy caverns, thus making you bigger. But I doubt that theory. Unless you stretch the outer skin, which is very tough, nothing is going to get bigger except your flaccid size.

So increasing internal tissue will increase flaccid size, but increasing erect size require stretching the outer sheath.

Length is also limited by the outer sheath, and any other ligments -- which I don't remember offhand and will have to go look up.
 
Originally posted by pole
...but in a at least semi-erect state refer to it as balloon which basically corresponds with your observation of 3dimensional growth(width/depth/length) due to erect exercises.
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bobbdobbs,

just to make sure that you understand that we're on the same track. At least I don't see any contradiction in your and my posts.
 
Originally posted by pole
bobbdobbs,

just to make sure that you understand that we're on the same track. At least I don't see any contradiction in your and my posts.
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Yeah, thanks for the clarification. I probably didn't read the last part of your sentence the first time.
 
I agree with DLD's theory as well! So if you have, say: 10 inches of useable ligs, if the tunica is not developed enough(stretched to match those 10 inch ligs), then your not going to see your cock expand to 10 inches no matter what!!!! So really if this could be true, then one needs to implement some intense exercises that target the tunica. I've started really hammering my boy with some intense DLD bends, erect bends(left&right). I've started doing these every night after my main stretching routine. Feedback please!

Girthius
 
DLD, I think the bag analogy is good, but I'd say the penis is both - a bag & a rope (just as light can be considered a wave & a particle).
The soft tissue of the penis is a bag, whereas the tough ligaments/tendons are more of a rope.
Do you think that's a fair analogy?
 
I would say that it is true essentially (what DLD says) but consider this:

With girth exercises do the tissues not get stronger with every repair (in a larger state)? I would say so. There for length gains would be harder to get.

Also what if somehow hyperplasia (correct word?) was occurring? You would have more fibers to break down.

The other end of this though is, if the above is true, and you are strengthening the fibers of your penis, does it make enough of a difference to actually slow down your gains?

Lastly I think every routine should have a little jelqing, especially BTB. I would make the distinction between light jelqing and hardcore girth work.
 
Originally posted by WaxN
DLD, I think the bag analogy is good, but I'd say the penis is both - a bag & a rope (just as light can be considered a wave & a particle).
The soft tissue of the penis is a bag, whereas the tough ligaments/tendons are more of a rope.
Do you think that's a fair analogy?
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Originally posted by ICM
I would say that it is true essentially (what DLD says) but consider this:

With girth exercises do the tissues not get stronger with every repair (in a larger state)? I would say so. There for length gains would be harder to get.

Also what if somehow hyperplasia (correct word?) was occurring? You would have more fibers to break down.

The other end of this though is, if the above is true, and you are strengthening the fibers of your penis, does it make enough of a difference to actually slow down your gains?

Lastly I think every routine should have a little jelqing, especially BTB. I would make the distinction between light jelqing and hardcore girth work.
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I see your points and I wanted to make a suggestion based on your take. I think a more vigorous length routine would be more sensible than eliminating girth while training for length. If increased girth creates a stronger "rope" as suggested than the solution that would make most sense is to continue a girth routine and increase the time and intensity of the length routine.

Through my 3 years in Penis Enlargement I have had growing spurts in both length and girth at different PHASES even though I trained both areas with as much intensity as the other.

DLD
 
DLD, I agree 100% with you. I know in the beginning as with now that my gains have been because of the girth exercises I performed. I would also say that it depends on someones body chemisty. Everyone is different. To answer a question asked earlier about the Ulis I have gained a lot with these exercises they are very beneficial. However, you have to try everything to find out what works for you.
 
channel7 said:
However, you have to try everything to find out what works for you.
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This is a good point but it is also important to stick with a solid routine and not jump around too much. I think allot of guys become overwhelmed with the infinite number of Penis Enlargement exercises. I think that once you find a workout that works for you, you should stick with it until plateau.
 
doublelongdaddy said:
This is a good point but it is also important to stick with a solid routine and not jump around too much. I think allot of guys become overwhelmed with the infinite number of Penis Enlargement exercises. I think that once you find a workout that works for you, you should stick with it until plateau.
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You are right because I definitely got overwhelmed with what I was doing. After you gave me a routine I got settled.
 
I tend to agree with the comparison to a balloon. Take one of those long skinny balloons that clowns use to make the animals or whatever out of. Blow it up, so that it's inflated, but not a whole lot past the original length. Now stretch it a whole lot, and then blow it up again so that it's not much longer than the stretched length. My guess is that the 'girth' of the balloon has also increased substantially.
 
My poor Bison head,

Now I am thinking that the penis is either a bag or ropes or a rope made up of little bags and the walls of the bags might be ropes and are those ropes made of little bags? Ahhggg.
 
My theory is that IF you were to gain just legnth or girth, it would have a negative effect on eachother.

Longer = Less girth.
Girthier = Less length.

Of course, nothing significant, but it's there. HOWEVER:

When you Penis Enlargement for girth or length, no matter what you do, you end up helping both anyway, which is why you may not see decreases in either area.

CYiNiSiS
 
cyinisis said:
My theory is that IF you were to gain just legnth or girth, it would have a negative effect on eachother.
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I disagree:) and agree:) in my opinion GIRTH very much helps with LENGTH gains as the penis not only expands out during GIRTH work but up. With a LENGTH only routine I don't think GIRTH would suffer but I also don't think any gains will happen in GIRTH.
 
I have always wondered about this subject. When I started it made sense but I cannot resist doing girth work!
I was using hangers, the limit I have with hangers is comfort at the clamping point rather than the weights involved. I figured the penis as a rope and more girth would mean more area to clamp and hence more comfort. (recently Bib agreed that upper shaft girth makes for easier hanging). However I had reasoned that more girth area was not beneficial as the volume increases more proportionately to clamping area. So per inch squared of clamping area you are having to hang more weight as girth goes up.
This theory is not correct due to the "bag theory" DLD stated.
The [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] site has a good point about if a 6" elastic band and a 6" leather strap are both stretched to 7" the leather is under far more stress.
The tunica is the leather and the spongy tissue is the elastic. As the girth increases so does hanger clamping area so you can add more weight and the get the same stresses since the inner tissue doesnt have much resistance. In fact the extra inner tissue may help with comfort while hanging and allow more weight per tunica circumference. i.e. If you are barely comfortable with 5lb with a 5" girth then if you are 6" you may be able to handle more than 6lb due to extra internal cushioning.

I do think girth and length go hand in hand. I have often used the balloon analogies too. If you cant blow up a sausage balloon you stretch it lengthwise and it then gives girth wise and blows up easily. If you do girth work I picture cells expanding in all directions. Then doing length work straight after I picture exhausted cells being pulled longitudinally far easier. Also if I do stretching I like to do light girth work just with a cock ring which is a form of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] holding the penis in an extended state of maximum engorgement for a while after.
 
let me start off by saying i love this thread . the rope and balloon theiry i read this thread awhile ago and dint remember it til the other day.i was at a bennigans with my chick and it must have been kids half off day or something and they had a guy their doing magic tricks and stuff. so anyways he takes out balloons to make an animal thing he trys to blow it up but cant . so the guy steches it like amrs lenth then of it goes and im like no kiddin . i thought about my pe routine and what i have been doing for the last couple of weeks . i have been always streching before my girth workouts i guess its the visualising aspect of it streching it out before hitting it with a girth workout . i started doing it not cause i read it but that i measure all the time to see what is going on just to see how im reacting to what .when i first joined here last year i started of 6 or a little under girth was alright at either 5 or 5 1/4 i didnt take a beginning measure but was up to 5 1/2 buy the time i first started to post pics. I was like yea now lets go for length figuring id keep my girth bamm i hit 7 but girth went way down so im like damm (the mental aspect of it just stay positive) this is when i started measuring alot to se what was happening
i noticed on another thread that a member was haveing problems loosing girth and length or vice versa after a work out on rest days witch is what happens to me to. this is what i came up with and why i like the balloon theary imho
length~after 2 days off bpfsl 8 3/4 bpel 8 nbp 7 1/2
length~after a girth workout next day bpfsl 8 3/8 bpel 7 3/4 nbp 7
my length goes down very mutch so post work out,that is what lead me to train length with girth then length the next day mostly 50% wet jelq's witch has made me be able to keep my larger stats after a girth work. when i started this i was 7x5.5 (finally got back up to 5.5 from 5.25 after gaining that first inch) now after a couple of days off im keeping the 7.5 and 5.5/8.
when i train girth i try and get at lest 1/4 to 1/2 expantion i can get to 5 7/8
solid no fluid buildup post work out 6 with some fluid buid up next day im down to 5.5 after my 2 days off its been staying at 5.5/8 to 5 3/4 ish . now thats just why i like this theory imho its just like a balloon pull it out blow it up pull it more it blows up bigger thats just my visualization of it any way :P lets here some other opinions good luck
 
My theory is that a length-only plan would not benefit girth at all, however it would not reduce girth. However I also believe that girth only work will benefit length to an extent aswell due to the expansion of the penis overall. For instance, most people think of the jelq as a girth exercise, but I believe it is very beneficial to length too.
 
goinfor11x7 said:
I've always felt the penis is more like a balloon, DLD. My experience has been very much like yours.
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I struggled with the balloon or the bag when I wrote this:D
 
ICM;28787 said:
I would say that it is true essentially (what DLD says) but consider this:

With girth exercises do the tissues not get stronger with every repair (in a larger state)? I would say so. There for length gains would be harder to get.

Also what if somehow hyperplasia (correct word?) was occurring? You would have more fibers to break down.

The other end of this though is, if the above is true, and you are strengthening the fibers of your penis, does it make enough of a difference to actually slow down your gains?

Lastly I think every routine should have a little jelqing, especially BTB. I would make the distinction between light jelqing and hardcore girth work.
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It's just like building any other muscle. The growth occurs during the resting (off season) not the act of stretching itself. You have to keep in mind it's still just a muscle like any other muscle, just difficult to work the same way so instead you have to use roundabout methods such as this. I do kegels once I'm done stretching to force extra blood and strengthen it, but I only stretch every other day, not daily like many people. I know my growth might be slower than others because I'm not as consistent, but I'm sure they will last longer than most by them being more gradual. I put the emphasis on the exercise itself, not the length of time I involve.
 
I think when people have problems such as losing their length gains when hitting a girth only routine or vice versa it's because they did not cement the new gains.
 
Jaronimo;552645 said:
I think when people have problems such as losing their length gains when hitting a girth only routine or vice versa it's because they did not cement the new gains.
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Qfe.

Its a balloon. We have lots of test results reported to confirm this theory.

For 2 years now we have had excellent results reported using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Now more using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penomet[/words]. The users report actually seeing their penis expand inside the tubes under high suction. Both length and girth. The penis expands in length and girth in the same way a balloon does. Lower pressure outside causes it to inflate with blood, vs high pressure inside causes a balloon to inflate. Otherwise its the same mechanics.

So 5x5x3 routine we expand the penis tissues, the ligs and tunica both are softened. Then we smash the tunicas with the SSJs. Then we pump and expand more... repeat. Finally the last pump suction inflates the softened tissues as much as possible. Hopefully we. Heal expanded with a clamp or cockring and begin cementing today's incrimental gains today.
 
Dld your OP. Is 10 years old bro! Confirms that when something is true its timeless, and new truths learned will confirm it and fit with it like puzzle pieces.

Great work, dld, and the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Mos[/words] brotherhood.
 
LoveHerDeeply;552648 said:
Qfe.

Its a balloon. We have lots of test results reported to confirm this theory.

For 2 years now we have had excellent results reported using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]. Now more using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penomet[/words]. The users report actually seeing their penis expand inside the tubes under high suction. Both length and girth. The penis expands in length and girth in the same way a balloon does. Lower pressure outside causes it to inflate with blood, vs high pressure inside causes a balloon to inflate. Otherwise its the same mechanics.
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hmm it would be great if a large scale [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] study were to be performed/led by an outside non-biased group like has been done with [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words][/words] in the past. Studies like this are the only thing that will eventually lead to PE not being so hush hush and just flat out seen as impossible. everything now is unfortunately anecdotal.

Now i just want to add i myself do believe in the positive results achieved with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] by various members here but for anything to progress out of our small world here...outside sources need to enter the picture
 
LoveHerDeeply;552648 said:
Its a balloon. We have lots of test results reported to confirm this theory.

For 2 years now we have had excellent results reported using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]. Now more using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penomet[/words]. The users report actually seeing their penis expand inside the tubes under high suction. Both length and girth. The penis expands in length and girth in the same way a balloon does. Lower pressure
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There are also study results that show the elastic rope like quality of the penis that can be manipulated for gains with stretching. The only official study results being with an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. Though plenty of individually subjective reports exist on this and other forums supporting the validity of manual stretching as well for length gains.

doublelongdaddy;26182 said:
I have read many posts in my time on the impact of girth effecting length and visa-versa. Some men believe training girth may hinder length gains and I want to debate this. In my opinion Length and Girth not only complement each other but a small gain in both directions increase the total size of your penis then if you made the same gain in any single area

I hear people comparing the penis to rope or a rubber band stating that it is easier to stretch a thinner rope or band in comparison to a thicker one. I completely agree with this theory but I feel it is a poor penile comparison. The penis is more like a balloon as it is filled with blood when we get an erection and emptied when we are flaccid.

The reason I debate this is simple you can't fill a rope with liquid so it is impossible to expand the rope through increasing thickness. But you can expand a balloon length and thickness by increasing its load capacity. When you fill a balloon past it’s capacity it not only grows wider but longer too. The penis is very similar to balloon in that when we fill it with blood during an erection it expands outward and upward.

With that said I think it is a bad decision to neglect girth in hopes for better length gains. I have always trained both Length and Girth with as much intensity as the other with very good results. What are your opinions?
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I think both theories carry weight and both make a lot of sense. I think it depends on the state of the penis at the time and/or the type of training happening at that moment. pumping...jelqing...clamping...etc=balloon. manual stretching...LengthMaster...PowerAssist...Hanging...etc=rope. Now these aren't set in stone and can cross over one another.
 
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Guys girth exercises affect length gains I'm seeing a little length gain from doing ulis and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s so the ballon theory I think is right
 
8incyclops;597280 said:
Guys girth exercises affect length gains I'm seeing a little length gain from doing ulis and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s so the ballon theory I think is right
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what are your thoughts when someone makes gains with stretching only and no girth/balloon type exercises. are you 100% balloon theory or do you believe in crossover? And i also lean away from using the word rope b/c the cock has elastic/stretchy qualities. such as a deflated balloon or many other things
 
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8incyclops;597280 said:
Guys girth exercises affect length gains I'm seeing a little length gain from doing ulis and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s so the ballon theory I think is right
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You are correct. I think that hangers will also vouch for the fact they gain girth, mostly base girth, but they do gain it when only hanging. The penis whether it expands or elongates will always benefit both height and width due to volume, a measurement we used to use but have not seen in a while. Volume would determine how much you have gained taking into account all measurements.
 
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