The Coming Of The Vacu-extender!!!

[monkeybar]

Monkey,

TomdW doesn't sell M/s and has no commercial interst. He's just passionate about the MaX-Vac, and that was his opinion. Respect that. The original plan, some 7 months ago, TomdW was going to sell some MVs on Ebay, but that has ceased.

This statement bothers me. I had more respect for you Monkey, we both came from the same place and learned from one another. I have never mentioned the VH in negative light (do a search on any board, you have my "word"). To draw up controversy from an opinion of a MV user is ridiculous and I want no part of that. MV users are free to speak their mind, I've had a difficult time trying to find negative experiences about the MV, to discourage a positive view of the product is not the way it is, wrong board. Do I make public statements about those that trash MyNewSize at T's? Statements along the lines as, Mr gay: "buy from monkeybar he's a better business man."? How is this different? My only place is to clarify misconceptions and "propaganda" about the MaX-Vac. As you have done here, leave it at that.

I would appreciate if you would show the same respect I have for VH users and that is: Who the fuck cares about the VH users (politically, personally), they use their product, I could care either way. Take care your own, as I have. M\/ users, I'm here for you anytime.


and it's,
~BTC

Understood, it was my understanding that he was involved and he mentioned that in other board. It that was changed, my apolgy was already mentioned.

Your 2nd statement also relate to TomW being associated with your business aspect, please re-read.

Lastly, I thought this was a thread about VacExtender... Not MV or Vacu-Hanger.

Cheers

 

[monkeybar]

thats a lot of mumbo jumbo for a product you altered (ripped off) from stretch system 2000 and the grips gflex sleeve [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tlc[/words] [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words] (wich is also marketed as a pe device thats vacuum based)!
plus your aytoexster was a total ripoff of the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] and bib jeeeeez!!!!!

your gonna get lawyers and this n that involved when the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words] is a patent item and you have a version out with a modified head.... funny!

why waste 12 gs on patents when someone can just change a minor detail and market those products themselves?

Okay, now I could respond.

Yes, I maybe an idiot for spending that much on a patent, but I do run things straight. Also, I may be the only one paying product specific liability insurance in this business as I tried to get a comparison but found none. So if I'm an idiot for running a straight business, its okay - I sleep well at night because of it.

As for changing minor detail - you may want to re-read your patent law text. The patent law is encompassing and unless improvement is a major one (which basically invalidate the previous version), its quite enforceable. Again, its academic at this point.

As for altering the existing patent - again, we did exhaustative search and even contacted some vendors before filing our patents (AutoEXT and modified head is one and one of the vendor even contacted me about reselling the modified head). I let people know if I think it will infringe on there design as I know how much effort it takes to design anything for production. As mentioned before - Vacu-hanger was originally designed by Mgus/Mbuc in another board - and I do pay them loyalty (if I could afford them) for their work.

cheers

 

[The BTC Killer]

http://www.Thund3rs Pl@ce.org/forum/showthread.php?p=742992#post742992
Wow. Are you aiming for conflict, or co-existance as I am?

I should start some "It seems like I was getting trashed a bit at Thunder's" posts, but it would be a waste of space.

 

[monkeybar]

http://www.Thund3rs Pl@ce.org/forum/showthread.php?p=742992#post742992
Wow. Are you aiming for conflict, or co-existance as I am?

I should start some "It seems like I was getting trashed a bit at Thunder's" posts, but it would be a waste of space.

I'm sorry I'm not understanding what you wrote above. The statement was not of the message, but the combination thereof. As mentioned, I said I deserved some thrashing as my customer service declined due to a personal reasons. The only other implicated part was misunderstanding that TomW seemed to be involved in your business, which he is not as you said, whether its a website or business aspect. There's nothing more than that.

Based on your words, it just seems like TomW was just over enthuestic MV user (as you said) and he's recommending what he believe as a user.

Normally I don't thread these waters, but since the can was opened, I'm closing it. Other than product questions, no other questions will be answered or replied. If you need to contact me, send me a PM on the other board as I check that site more or here and I'll try to come more often.

No other information regarding VacExtender or Vacu-hanger will be posted here - you could check the website.

Lastly, some people been asking about the ordering page - it will be up tonight.

Thanks

 

[monkeybar]

Arrg - forgot again,

John, if you want a refund, let me know.

Cheers

 

[The BTC Killer]

I'm sorry I'm not understanding what you wrote above.

What was your intentions of posting this at Thunder's? The only reason I can formulate is to stir up conflict between the boards, attempting to line up the "sides". Am I mistaken?

Please clarify, so we can put this to rest,
~BTC

 

[john5]

Arrg - forgot again,

John, if you want a refund, let me know.

Cheers

My problem was with customer service for the most part, im new to all this and will see what the vac does for me!

Can you fault me with being upset when i made a order online and didnt get a response, autoextender.com said no emails or shiptment from june 24 till the 28th so i figured by the 29 or 30th id get a heads up .

if i was a member of these penis boards for awhile i would have seen that your site is a 1 man opertion and not a big business so i wouldnt have been this worried about my money!

Again if i knew you were a avg guy running a small shop from home i wouldnt have said what i did, but your site made me think you were some big internet company!

John5

 

[monkeybar]

Again, I do aplogy. I wished I was big internet company - eh probably not.

Crash, I think you are over analyzing the post. I had a same problem on that board with users too - trust me I don't like to play politics and you could search all of my posts. Again, I had a big medical issue with my wife and nothing comes before that. That post was in part to explain some of my reasoning. No need to re-write the post. As I said, I took your word and thats good enough for me.

However, if you still don't take my words, then be it.

cheers.

My problem was with customer service for the most part, im new to all this and will see what the vac does for me!

Can you fault me with being upset when i made a order online and didnt get a response, autoextender.com said no emails or shiptment from june 24 till the 28th so i figured by the 29 or 30th id get a heads up .

if i was a member of these penis boards for awhile i would have seen that your site is a 1 man opertion and not a big business so i wouldnt have been this worried about my money!

Again if i knew you were a avg guy running a small shop from home i wouldnt have said what i did, but your site made me think you were some big internet company!

John5

 

[KingD]

I never thought that starting this thread to tell about a Penis Enlargement product would stir up so much drama. I truely did not intend to start this thread to start people bashing, misunderstanding, and brewing up mis-trust among each other. I started this thread as an outside consumer. I support any member of a Penis Enlargement communtiy that come up with a new idea or product that can help Penis Enlargementers. That is why I support both BTC and Monkeybar because these two guys are leading the Penis Enlargement industry in new, innovative products that help Penis Enlargementers achieve their goals of gains. I for one, stopped posting in this thread due to the fact that I could see where it was leading. I think everyone in the Penis Enlargement industry faces some obstacles at times and the outcome of those obstacles are what make a creditable and stable reputation. Everyone has problems like this(just take DLD and the ALPHA BLADE incident, no offense), so we need to take into account Monkeybar's situation and now that every thing is layed out on the table, help build a better Penis Enlargement relationship with one another. Maybe BTC and Monkeybar could hook up together one day and help each other out or maybe even come up with another revolutionary Penis Enlargement product. Well, has to be one of the most conflicting threads for me being that I support both guys and hope them both the best in their business ventures. Now with all issues cleared up and all apologies said, let's start a new beginning help each other out with what we all came here for Penis Enlargement!!!

 

[TomdW]

Wow, I really missed some stuff here. Since a lot of this involves me a will try to explain in a bit better detail where I was and am coming from here.

Monkeybar, this is addressed to you in particular but since this thread is public I will post here instead of sending you a PM..

Firstly let me say that I have never met you and as a result I have no reason to think that we would not get on like a house on fire if we did meet. In acordance I give you the amount of respect that would be deserved if that were the case.

I was selling MaX-Vacs on eBay for BTC in the begining but as BTC has already explained that did not work out. I am an experienced and long term Penis Enlargementer (4 years). I am also quite well experienced with the MaX-Vac and I have spent the last 6 months working out the ins and outs of the hanger. I have tried many different settings, sheath wise and pressure wise and as a result I would say that my opinion on the effectiveness of the hanger is valid.

In my experimentation I noticed that I found it much easier to acheive a high level of comfort by being able to change the amount of pressure in the cylinder at any time. I also found it much easier to get my penis into the cylinder with a good seal using the hand pump. I've attempted to hang without the pump many times and have had difficulty acheiving the comfort that is present when I have had direct control of the amount of pressure in the cylinder. I'm not saying that it cannot be done and I have hung up to 10 lbs without the use of a hand pump but my point is that it is more difficult to acheive due to the insertion of the penis into the cylinder through the sheaths and it is much more uncomfortable.

It is true that I do not own a vacu-hanger but the reason, again, that I feel that my opinion on this is useful is that you can hang without any added pressure using the MaX-Vac meaning that it does essentially the same thing as the vacu-hanger. The reason behind me saying that I believe the M\/ to be a superior product is due to the fact that is enables the user to control the amount of pressure in the cylinder at any time during the hanging set. I have developed a set routine in which I change the amount of pressure throughout my sets in order to maintain the upmost level of comfort at all times. This has helped me to hang longer and heavier.

These are all just my personal opinions but as I said before I would consider them to be valid amongst potential vacuum hangers (people) partly due to the fact that there are not many Penis Enlargementers out there that have much experience with this method. I have been so impressed with the MaX-Vac as a whole that not only am I very active on the mynewsize forums but I also promote the M\/'s wherever I can. BTC put it correctly when he said that I am passionate about the device and it's genius design. Again let me make the point clearly so that it is without question. I do not make any money off any MaX-Vac sales. I fully accept your apology on this matter.

On the issue of whether heavier is better. I view the penis as comparable to an elastic band where length is concerned. If you stretch an elastic band harder then it will deform more and grow as a result. Obviously this is a vague explanation and there are a lot more factors that come into play than just this but in my experience heavier is better. We could debate this forever but lets leave that for another thread. For now we can say that there are different schools of thought on this weight issue.

Looking back over this thread, although I stand by every word that I have said, I think that it is possible that I should not have littered your vacu-hanger thread with my opinions on this but then again it's an open forum here. The reason that I did voice my opinions was that there were so many people already complaining about the lack of customer service, etc and on that issue I must add that if you take money from a buyer then it is the be all and end all to get the product shipped. I have experience in this arena in other areas of my life and it is not acceptable to take somebodys money and seemingly disappear. If you were having problems of whatever nature then you should have shut your site down until you could run the business properly. It was this injustice that spurred me to speak on any matter here in the first place since at mynewsize there is always someone that can answer any questions posed. It is because I am passionate and opinionated Penis Enlargementer that I speak up in situations like this.

OK, that's it. I will leave this as I started it by saying, monkeybar, that I fully respect you and your reputation. You produce a large variety of reputable and high quality products and I wish you all the best with your success.

Tom.

 

[monkeybar]

Wow, I really missed some stuff here. Since a lot of this involves me a will try to explain in a bit better detail where I was and am coming from here.

Monkeybar, this is addressed to you in particular but since this thread is public I will post here instead of sending you a PM..

Firstly let me say that I have never met you and as a result I have no reason to think that we would not get on like a house on fire if we did meet. In acordance I give you the amount of respect that would be deserved if that were the case.

I was selling MaX-Vacs on eBay for BTC in the begining but as BTC has already explained that did not work out. I am an experienced and long term Penis Enlargementer (4 years). I am also quite well experienced with the MaX-Vac and I have spent the last 6 months working out the ins and outs of the hanger. I have tried many different settings, sheath wise and pressure wise and as a result I would say that my opinion on the effectiveness of the hanger is valid.

In my experimentation I noticed that I found it much easier to acheive a high level of comfort by being able to change the amount of pressure in the cylinder at any time. I also found it much easier to get my penis into the cylinder with a good seal using the hand pump. I've attempted to hang without the pump many times and have had difficulty acheiving the comfort that is present when I have had direct control of the amount of pressure in the cylinder. I'm not saying that it cannot be done and I have hung up to 10 lbs without the use of a hand pump but my point is that it is more difficult to acheive due to the insertion of the penis into the cylinder through the sheaths and it is much more uncomfortable.

It is true that I do not own a vacu-hanger but the reason, again, that I feel that my opinion on this is useful is that you can hang without any added pressure using the MaX-Vac meaning that it does essentially the same thing as the vacu-hanger. The reason behind me saying that I believe the M\/ to be a superior product is due to the fact that is enables the user to control the amount of pressure in the cylinder at any time during the hanging set. I have developed a set routine in which I change the amount of pressure throughout my sets in order to maintain the upmost level of comfort at all times. This has helped me to hang longer and heavier.

These are all just my personal opinions but as I said before I would consider them to be valid amongst potential vacuum hangers (people) partly due to the fact that there are not many Penis Enlargementers out there that have much experience with this method. I have been so impressed with the MaX-Vac as a whole that not only am I very active on the mynewsize forums but I also promote the M\/'s wherever I can. BTC put it correctly when he said that I am passionate about the device and it's genius design. Again let me make the point clearly so that it is without question. I do not make any money off any MaX-Vac sales. I fully accept your apology on this matter.

On the issue of whether heavier is better. I view the penis as comparable to an elastic band where length is concerned. If you stretch an elastic band harder then it will deform more and grow as a result. Obviously this is a vague explanation and there are a lot more factors that come into play than just this but in my experience heavier is better. We could debate this forever but lets leave that for another thread. For now we can say that there are different schools of thought on this weight issue.

Looking back over this thread, although I stand by every word that I have said, I think that it is possible that I should not have littered your vacu-hanger thread with my opinions on this but then again it's an open forum here. The reason that I did voice my opinions was that there were so many people already complaining about the lack of customer service, etc and on that issue I must add that if you take money from a buyer then it is the be all and end all to get the product shipped. I have experience in this arena in other areas of my life and it is not acceptable to take somebodys money and seemingly disappear. If you were having problems of whatever nature then you should have shut your site down until you could run the business properly. It was this injustice that spurred me to speak on any matter here in the first place since at mynewsize there is always someone that can answer any questions posed. It is because I am passionate and opinionated Penis Enlargementer that I speak up in situations like this.

OK, that's it. I will leave this as I started it by saying, monkeybar, that I fully respect you and your reputation. You produce a large variety of reputable and high quality products and I wish you all the best with your success.

Tom.

 

[monkeybar]

Tom, I'v already considered this topic closed. However, one of your statement did caught my eye and I will respond to this one

If you were having problems of whatever nature then you should have shut your site down until you could run the business properly. It was this injustice that spurred me to speak on any matter here in the first place since at mynewsize there is always someone that can answer any questions posed. It is because I am passionate and opinionated Penis Enlargementer that I speak up in situations like this.

Tom.

Since this personal reason has happened and will continue for forseeable future, I do take this personally. PLEASE UNDERSTAND - that this is not an excuse, rather its a human condition that you cannot control.

The personal reason is just that, its personal. However, when someone you love is going through a condition that you can't control - and will be with them for their entire life - it really doesn't matter who paid you money or have time to go to your website and write a web page to let people know something has happened. Simply, I chose to spend my time with my love to comfort and console her, rather than spending 5-10 minutes it would take to write a new page to save my reputation. In a frank words - you could take my reputation and shove it up your arse (not meant toward you).

Again, I will let my past reputation speak for itself. As for past few week, yes some customers were irate - and I do apology for that. And if they are unhappy, I fully understand if they do complaint to the credit card company or paypal to get a refund. Would I do the same thing you have said if I was in your shoe - no. When someone has a good reputation (excellent or fair depending on each person) and because that person does not respond for couple of weeks does not give someone to say - this guy suck, we don't have this problem at xyz site - so go there. I been in this business (and part time at that) much longer than MV site and my reputation has been solid for majority of people. The customer service you are promoting, as you said, may be fine for now, but we do live in a real world and things happen - I do hope that nothing bad ever happens to anyone (even my enemy which I don't have) as life itself is more important than any petty things we can think of.

So what is the motivation for saying something like that if someone is looking through a glass door? I don't know and I don't care - what I do care is when someone is saying something and doesn't care about human fellowship. So John was bit angry that I haven't responded - he will live and will get his money back from the credit card company, if needed. I would never fault him for that as I fully emphatize his point of view. Again, its life and we do have to live in them.

The reason I mentioned Crash was because of your earlier involvement with his business. It really had nothing to do with the business - rather insensitivity of all (and I am very sensitive right now as this is one of the 1st post of this type). In the end, Crash has cleared this misunderstanding and I do take his words at full value.

Thanks for responding and I do consider this matter closed.

 

[cyberstud25]

monkeybar if you just wrote on your forum that your not gonna be available for a week or so because of personal reasons i think your customers and potential customers would have been satisfied !
this is what you wrote on thunders the other day wich conflicts with what your saying now :
posted 07/05/06


I knew this would happen, but here's what happened in last few days. Embarrassing to say, but I was grounded by my wife and this is the 1st chance I had to get back online or devote time to product development.

Basically I've spent quite a bit of time moving my shop and product development, which led to little time for the family. Well she finally had it and basically I had to spend all my time with the family (for the holiday). Normally she leaves me alone to my hobby, but she was bit pissed off for last few weeks.

Well my grounding period is over and I'll try to put everything up tonight.



so wich was it , wife sick or she grounded you?

if anyones ill , i pray thier ok, but your posts are looking more like damage control!

 

[monkeybar]

When I say personal, its personal. There's only 1 person in Thunders who know what happened and thats Mgus. I normally will not write something like this - but its personal at this point.

I did put that as an excuse as I didn't want to diverge my problem - Do you understand when someone is going through a crisis but don't want to discuss the problem? Has anyone not gone throught a personal problem? I have diverged more information than I wanted to here - which I didn't wanted to, but when someone says something so insensitive, I do have to respond.

Again, none of these are my excuses - and it shouldn't be.

However, if this is how thing operate when someone with good reputation is absent for couple of week. If they think this behavior will sell few more product - good for them, I want no part of it.

Good luck and good bye.

monkeybar if you just wrote on your forum that your not gonna be available for a week or so because of personal reasons i think your customers and potential customers would have been satisfied !
this is what you wrote on thunders the other day wich conflicts with what your saying now :
posted 07/05/06


I knew this would happen, but here's what happened in last few days. Embarrassing to say, but I was grounded by my wife and this is the 1st chance I had to get back online or devote time to product development.

Basically I've spent quite a bit of time moving my shop and product development, which led to little time for the family. Well she finally had it and basically I had to spend all my time with the family (for the holiday). Normally she leaves me alone to my hobby, but she was bit pissed off for last few weeks.

Well my grounding period is over and I'll try to put everything up tonight.



so wich was it , wife sick or she grounded you?

if anyones ill , i pray thier ok, but your posts are looking more like damage control!

 

[joe_smith]

Not to sure what all this drama was about, but I ordered Monkeybar's vacuextender. I have bought an autoextender head form him in the past and was very very pleased. He makes a solid product, ships fast, and works with the customer.

Can't wait to receive my vacuextender head. I just got an email saying it will ship out today. Hopefully I will get it by Friday or Saturday so I can play with it all weekend, the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] head that is lmao.

 

[cypher79]

hey joe smith,

i thought the vacu-extender head to fit the autoextender [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] device wasnt ready yet, only the one for the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]Jes[/words], Andro, ...etc.... was ready now?
Well thats the impression i got from checking out the autoextender site?

 

[OnSwoll]

I have searched and can't make sense of it all.
Regarding Monkeybars Vacu hanger- Can a veteran please put up a simple comprehensive explanation how the device works, the reg sleeve, the constrictions sleeve, potential dangers/ problems, etc. I've been to the site but can't make heads or tails.
I'm trying to come out of the dark ages of a noose. Thanx.

 

[The BTC Killer]

Regarding Monkeybars Vacu hanger- Can a veteran please put up a simple comprehensive explanation how the device works.

You put the lime in the coconut and pull the sheath down.



Sorry couldn't resist,
~BTC

 

[joe_smith]

hey joe smith,

i thought the vacu-extender head to fit the autoextender [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] device wasnt ready yet, only the one for the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]Jes[/words], Andro, ...etc.... was ready now?
Well thats the impression i got from checking out the autoextender site?

It was just the head I ordered from him sorry for the confusion.

 

[scabbott]

I have now been using the Vac-Extender for about 2 weeks and the comfort is amazing. I wore the device (without the ring) using a pair of suspenders (TLCtugger style) around the waist for 14 hours yesterday with good tension while driving over 800 miles coming home from the Grand Canyon. In fact, while at the Grand Canyon with about 50 lbs (my youngest son in a carrier with water & some food) I hiked down & up about 1000 feet of elevation wearing it. Total comfort, it was even another 30-45 minutes before I took it off. I must admit with hesitation, I have even slept with it on, though this is strongly discouraged by virtually everyone for safety.

I just read the above and must clarify that the 14 hours mentioned was taking breaks every 3-4 hours or so. I should also add that I don't currently use it with the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]Jes-extender[/words] and I don't see much need to in my case.

MonkeyBar never ceases to amaze me. I get home and catch up on the forum and he has further improved the product AND he is sending out the improved portions with just a shipping charge to early customers. I am impressed. By the way, he also overnighted me a smaller cylinder for the Vacu-Hanger I ordered so I could have it before leaving on my trip.

In summary, I have two main points.

One, the Vac-Extender is the most comfortable device I have ever used by far. (By the way, the large sleeves work great with the Penis Enlargement Weights which are second in comfort especially when used together but much less "stealthy".). I have the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]Jes-extender[/words], Penis Enlargement Weights, [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]TLC[/words] Ventless [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]tugger[/words], etc. and a few inferior creations of my own.

Two, MonkeyBar's service is just impressive.

Of course, I have no financial connection (or any other) with MonkeyBar. I am just attempting to give honor where honor is due.