emceemonkey;685347 said:
Never go to battle with out your BIF IRON MAN armor.
Ice has shown to be better than heat for Stretching.A case for cold water pumping.
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BornInFigi;686033 said:
Because you and I are bffl's right dawg? Best friends for life hashtag biffles, no lacking required
emceemonkey;685347 said:
Break that 7 barrier!
Oh yes, had a session last night! And oh yes, wore the armor too 
I did first use cold water (even used few ice cubes to really cool down the water.) I can't recall how many minutes I stayed in, a good amount, came out OK after a cold set. Some [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and massage, then another set with warm water. There was expansion and good elongation, but I did go a bit over my limit and had a bit of fluid. Nothing bad, all gone now. Relatively a very nice session. I'm going to run a set of these cold sessions for some time now, it's quite enjoyable despite of the idea sounding displeasing.
Feeling I should incorporate a bigger cylinder, even though my erect girth isn't so massive yet, it still feels that in the pump I'm quite close to certain limits of expansion.
Still, good sessions and in a way my certain goal is to fill the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words]. Length wise in pump I'm getting quite far already, it's a very satisfying feeling seeing that there is progress!
I did first use cold water (even used few ice cubes to really cool down the water.) I can't recall how many minutes I stayed in, a good amount, came out OK after a cold set. Some [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and massage, then another set with warm water. There was expansion and good elongation, but I did go a bit over my limit and had a bit of fluid. Nothing bad, all gone now. Relatively a very nice session. I'm going to run a set of these cold sessions for some time now, it's quite enjoyable despite of the idea sounding displeasing.
Feeling I should incorporate a bigger cylinder, even though my erect girth isn't so massive yet, it still feels that in the pump I'm quite close to certain limits of expansion.
Still, good sessions and in a way my certain goal is to fill the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words]. Length wise in pump I'm getting quite far already, it's a very satisfying feeling seeing that there is progress!
I want to try this, but I hate the cold
arkailija;686354 said:Oh yes, had a session last night! And oh yes, wore the armor too
I did first use cold water (even used few ice cubes to really cool down the water.)
Ouch, that must be painful. I might give this a try, but when I do my Girth-Session right afer waking up and then I immediately get hit by ice cold water I probably would freak out xD
Really, the cold isn't so bad as it sounds ... Of course I don't completely shower with cold water. The ice cubes had melted, they were to help the water cool down.
I fill the pump with water and then attach it so that water doesn't splash around a lot. Go ahead guys, it's worth of a try. If not all the time, then here and there, to provide the different stimulus.
I fill the pump with water and then attach it so that water doesn't splash around a lot. Go ahead guys, it's worth of a try. If not all the time, then here and there, to provide the different stimulus.
arkailija;686378 said:
Hmm might give it a go
What I always did was set 2 large cups of ice water outside the shower in a insulated cup. I'd fill up with ice water from the cup and shower in the hot water, then when time for the second set grabbed the other cup of ice water never leaving the heat. And since the cup was insulated and only pumping roughly 5 minutes and a few for jelqs between sets the cold water never got warmed or ice melted and my final set was a hot water pump to get it back to normal temperature.
ma999;687115 said:
Do you think it brings better gains?
lightlyfried;687116 said:
The jury has been out on this for like 4 years now. This thread is the first that has survived long enough to get some actual, useable data. The best way for us to know if this is effective is to try it for a period and keep good records.
lightlyfried;687219 said:I think we'd need to have to beginners or two people who've never used [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] to try. Then measure the results keeping the temperature as a variable. I'd be willing to be a test subject
Testing needs to be done across the board in every way possible to come to a solid conclusion. The problem is no one has stuck with his method long enough to see if it works.
mwwip;687505 said:
Hmm, wonder the science behind that
mwwip;687619 said:
I'd just freeze some ice cubes to get that water temp down.
Munto;687674 said:
It is definitely pretty cold. I did a 2 sets of 50 warm water wet jelqs with dove soap as lube. and then 50 in between each cold water [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] set and I noticed my fluid retention was nearly none and expansion/elongation was almost as good as a warm water [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] set
mwwip;687839 said:
You can not do this with soap, it is going to really dry your penis out and cause pealing and cracking. Use an oil based lube like Vaseline and this will keep you supple and will actually last a lot longer than what you are using.
lightlyfried;687601 said:
I have that posted in one of postings on the science of it, though I'd have to go look. I also found more information as I said I want to update with new information and science I found . It partially due to the constant contracting and expansion from the hunting effect forcing fluid out , and the soft tissue being contract from the cold that doesn't allow it to set in. My wording is pretty terrible and sounds all bro since I don't have my paper explaining why and how with me and cant remember where I posted it at exactly.
On weather I think it gives gains yes I do. I tested on me for a little while before posting this thread, but didn't Really commit till I posted this and kept finding more info. If I still had a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] I'd keep at it.
I said this before but I think the biggest thing that people might think it doesn't work is the less fluid retention. You come out of a cold pump and it doesn't look as big as a hot pump you instantly think it's not effective cause some assume fluid retention is expansion.Leaving the pump cold an also cause some turtling and why I recommend the last pump session be or add a hot warm up session at the end.
ma999;687977 said:
Very good point, almost a placebo affect from the warm water, people thinking more "pump" = more gains
doublelongdaddy;688073 said:
Bring back question of the week god bless it!!!
lightlyfried;688742 said:
I learned/learn so much when watching them
!"Do some stretches in between [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] sets" *watch a video*
"Put [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] on" *meanwhile watch a video*
"Warm-up" *watch another video*
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Munto;688764 said:
This was swagger jacked from the bible "lay with the dogs and you will rise with fleas"
Only logic I can see in this argument that favours cold water, is hotter temperature leads to more blood flow
with that said it would be wise to suggest that since blood flow is minimal or not as much, as with hot water
It is the tissues getting stretched, not just being filled up with blood.
Also the penis tends to shrink in colder climes/conditions, so if stretched in a shrunken state,
when it returns to its normal state we should see a considerable mount of expansion which might become permanent in due time.
Hmm, this gives me an idea hanging in a very cold ventilated room with AC turned to the max.
with that said it would be wise to suggest that since blood flow is minimal or not as much, as with hot water
It is the tissues getting stretched, not just being filled up with blood.
Also the penis tends to shrink in colder climes/conditions, so if stretched in a shrunken state,
when it returns to its normal state we should see a considerable mount of expansion which might become permanent in due time.
Hmm, this gives me an idea hanging in a very cold ventilated room with AC turned to the max.
On reduced fluid. The hunting response works as an alternating process of Vasocontstrion than dilation. The Vasocontstrion cycle is what helps push out the fluid causes it's constrict it out on how ice reduces swelling. So the constant cycling of dilation and constriction is cycling fluid out.
The vasodillation and expansion caused by the the hunting response caused by the cold actually increases vasodillation, and increases blood flow, and allows the smooth muscle to relax more for expansion. It's a cycle of constant expanding and contraction.The tissue shrinkage is also what helps trap and raise the internal temperature. This is the confusing part even though it's talking about cold, heat is still a major part.The stretching studies I posted earlier explain that is how cold was allowing muscles to stretch farther cause the Vasodillation greatly increase internal temperature better than an outside heat source. Heat is still the the key to stretching but the cold is allowing it to happen.Though they say they are not sure why this works.As for soft tissue and collagen I think direct heat might still be better for hanging and stretching. Though the studies all posted are on cold stretching but on hamstring muscles and ligaments.
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The vasodillation and expansion caused by the the hunting response caused by the cold actually increases vasodillation, and increases blood flow, and allows the smooth muscle to relax more for expansion. It's a cycle of constant expanding and contraction.The tissue shrinkage is also what helps trap and raise the internal temperature. This is the confusing part even though it's talking about cold, heat is still a major part.The stretching studies I posted earlier explain that is how cold was allowing muscles to stretch farther cause the Vasodillation greatly increase internal temperature better than an outside heat source. Heat is still the the key to stretching but the cold is allowing it to happen.Though they say they are not sure why this works.As for soft tissue and collagen I think direct heat might still be better for hanging and stretching. Though the studies all posted are on cold stretching but on hamstring muscles and ligaments.
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"After a number of minutes,the blood vessels re-open (dilate) allowing blood to return to the area. This phase is followed by another period of vasoconstriction- this process of vasoconstriction followed by dilation is known as the Hunting Response.
Although blood still flows into the area the amount of swelling is significantly less than if ice is not applied. This decreased swelling or edema, allows more movement in the muscle and so lessens the functional loss associated with the injury."
Although blood still flows into the area the amount of swelling is significantly less than if ice is not applied. This decreased swelling or edema, allows more movement in the muscle and so lessens the functional loss associated with the injury."
So I've been doing cold pumping for about a month now, and I'm pretty sold on the benefits, enough that I don't even consider going for warm water now. I always use ice to bring the temp down as much as I can.
More consistent expansion, less pain, kegels feel more "solid", much less fluid retention (if any), and I come out of the pump with the same size post-pump flaccid that I did with warm water... what's not to like.
Whether it will lead directly to more size I don't know yet, and I should note that I'm pumping mainly because I have much better clamping sessions when I combine them. I pump earlier in the day, usually only 2x5 mins, and then clamp at night.
Just ordered a vacu vin, so I'll be able to push it a bit harder soon.
(I have added about an 1/8 inch girth in the last 2 months doing the pumping / clapping combo, I can't attribute that to the cold pumping though)
More consistent expansion, less pain, kegels feel more "solid", much less fluid retention (if any), and I come out of the pump with the same size post-pump flaccid that I did with warm water... what's not to like.
Whether it will lead directly to more size I don't know yet, and I should note that I'm pumping mainly because I have much better clamping sessions when I combine them. I pump earlier in the day, usually only 2x5 mins, and then clamp at night.
Just ordered a vacu vin, so I'll be able to push it a bit harder soon.
(I have added about an 1/8 inch girth in the last 2 months doing the pumping / clapping combo, I can't attribute that to the cold pumping though)
I did that often and its great if you did go overboard with jelqs or whatever. It seems to promote faster healing.
I like to use it with water in a pump. Its horrible to dip your dick into ice water
and the logistics are sometimes not so fun too. You need crush the ice. But there are clearly benefits. Im not trying to grow much anymore and I cant say if it does a difference gains wise. Its quiet possible that it dampens down inflammation too fast.(vs. riding the fatigue)
But feeling wise I hang better after and next day. And as others said it seems to create less discoloration.
Interestingly once you apply the vacuum the cold goes less intensive. Im sure there is an explanation for that.
I like to use it with water in a pump. Its horrible to dip your dick into ice water
and the logistics are sometimes not so fun too. You need crush the ice. But there are clearly benefits. Im not trying to grow much anymore and I cant say if it does a difference gains wise. Its quiet possible that it dampens down inflammation too fast.(vs. riding the fatigue) But feeling wise I hang better after and next day. And as others said it seems to create less discoloration.
Interestingly once you apply the vacuum the cold goes less intensive. Im sure there is an explanation for that.
dickerschwanz;692324 said:I did that often and its great if you did go overboard with jelqs or whatever. It seems to promote faster healing.
I like to use it with water in a pump. Its horrible to dip your dick into ice water
But feeling wise I hang better after and next day. And as others said it seems to create less discoloration.
Interestingly once you apply the vacuum the cold goes less intensive. Im sure there is an explanation for that.
It is always either heat or cold that causes faster healing but I am always lost to which is applicable to what????
Let me try:doublelongdaddy;692361 said:
If the tissue itself is cramped/cold then heat helps to facilitate healing. If its inflammed then "cooling it down" will help healing.
At least with muscle issues that helps me.
And then you have the whole hot/cold treatment in the mix too ^^ ..
Question is now if we want to shut the inflammation down right away with PE. Sometimes the fatigue(which is most probably inflammation related) can be nicely dragged along and expanded on. Inflammation has its use.
But then again too much can be a problem(hardened/malfunctioning tissue) and thats where I would always go with ICE!
The whole ICE under tension changes the stretching/expansion dynamic too and most probably influences the following healing too.
All quiet unpredictable and we have to go with our personal experience I guess when to do what. PE artists right, ?
One tip I have is that after applying wet cold to dry up after leaving the pump. I feel like water with air/wind is not so good like encompassing cold water in the pump.
I will try applying ice after my girth sessions, for a month.
dickerschwanz;692470 said:Let me try:
If the tissue itself is cramped/cold then heat helps to facilitate healing. If its inflammed then "cooling it down" will help healing.
At least with muscle issues that helps me.
And then you have the whole hot/cold treatment in the mix too ^^ ..
Question is now if we want to shut the inflammation down right away with PE. Sometimes the fatigue(which is most probably inflammation related) can be nicely dragged along and expanded on. Inflammation has its use.
But then again too much can be a problem(hardened/malfunctioning tissue) and thats where I would always go with ICE!
The whole ICE under tension changes the stretching/expansion dynamic too and most probably influences the following healing too.
All quiet unpredictable and we have to go with our personal experience I guess when to do what. PE artists right, ?
One tip I have is that after applying wet cold to dry up after leaving the pump. I feel like water with air/wind is not so good like encompassing cold water in the pump.
Thank you for explaining that, I think it sheds much more scientific light on this issue.
Im going to try cold tap water for the first time guys, after reading thinking about it i think its better than warm water. Cold has also more healing effect so more room for pushing it.
Although, i would be careful with switching from cold to warm water or vice versa, chance is the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] might crack because of sudden temprature changes. Im only going for cold water.
Also i can vote for increasing erection quality, because after sex i remember when i wanted to get it up faster, i put some cold water on the penis which made me have a faster erection than just staying warm.
Although, i would be careful with switching from cold to warm water or vice versa, chance is the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] might crack because of sudden temprature changes. Im only going for cold water.
Also i can vote for increasing erection quality, because after sex i remember when i wanted to get it up faster, i put some cold water on the penis which made me have a faster erection than just staying warm.
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So i just did [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] with cold water, i notice the expension is much less than warm water, i guess the expansion is happening from the inside? but i feel i can push longer time. So i think use warm water if you want to have sex same day.
I think im going for a tempreture in between hot and cold so that i maybe can get benefit of both?
I think im going for a tempreture in between hot and cold so that i maybe can get benefit of both?
When I first started using my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x30[/words] around 4 months ago I started with warm water, after about a week I started the 5x5x3 routine and decided to use cold water. I found the feeling of the cold water to be soothing after jelqing , i also noticed water retention seemed to be lower and post workout expansion lasted much much longer, in fact it would last until my next session the next day. On the odd occasion where I can't perform my 5x5x3 routine due to the missez and kids being around I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x30[/words] in the bath with hot water, I have noticed a significant difference. First of all I don't stretch as far inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] nor is my expansion as great, I fill the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] with warm water but with cold I'm squashed inside it, also with warm water I range between the 6 3/4- 7 inch mark but with cold I hit 7 to the 7 1/2 line at the top of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] with the same amount of pressure (gator fully compressed ) also with warm water my circumcision scare is sore after a session where as with cold water this isn't the case . I've been using cold water solidly apart from the odd occasion and I have found that for me it is better, I'm not saying this will apply to everyone but this is my experience with cold water and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words].
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beardedbaldy;706061 said:
Doesn't cold water make you turtle after you finish your 5 minutes of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] then go to jelqing though? It's good to experiment to see which temperature works best hope you can find out a solid theory