Hanging time discussion

gorillaunit · Oct 5, 2004

i have a question for all the experienced hangers on board. what is the minimum amount of time you've hung per day and still saw gains?
currently i'm a month in to my hanging and i'm hanging 18 lbs fairly comfortably for 80 minutes/day. i try to split up my 4 total, 20 minute sets into two in the morning or early afternoon and then again before bed at night. even though i haven't taken a single day off since i started on sept. 1, i've been consistently doing this routine for only a week at most so i'm not expecting any major gains yet. however, what i'm noticing is that even when i do my two sets prior to going to sleep, when i wake up, it's like my body healed some and the awesome lig stretch i get the night before disappears (not completely though). is this common? if so, i now know why they say hanging is a slow process. it's very discouraging, but there's no way i'm giving up. i'm thinking of adding another set of 20 minutes to make a total of 100 minutes/day, but time is very short for me. with 80 minutes/day, my current routine, i'm getting nearly the 10 hours/week minimum that Bib recommends. (btw Bib, how did you come up with that figure? experience?) what do you guys think?

Bib · Oct 6, 2004

gorilla,

Some of the stuff in this post bother me a bit.

>currently i'm a month in to my hanging and i'm hanging 18 lbs fairly comfortably for 80 minutes/day.<

18 lbs is a hell of a lot for only one month of hanging. How did you move up so fast? You say you are "fairly comfortable". What does that mean exactly? You should be comfortable. It sounds like you may have moved past your max weight without knowing it.

>i try to split up my 4 total, 20 minute sets into two in the morning or early afternoon and then again before bed at night. even though i haven't taken a single day off since i started on sept. 1, i've been consistently doing this routine for only a week at most so i'm not expecting any major gains yet. however, what i'm noticing is that even when i do my two sets prior to going to sleep, when i wake up, it's like my body healed some and the awesome lig stretch i get the night before disappears (not completely though). is this common?<

It is not uncommon to shrink back. I did often. Some guys think that it is a sign of overwork, and they could be right. You might have jumped your weight a little too much. I do know that when I would raise my max weight, I would sometimes get shrinkage. Question: Do you ever lower the weights on the later sets?

>if so, i now know why they say hanging is a slow process. it's very discouraging, but there's no way i'm giving up.<

Any Penis Enlargement is slow, and hanging is no different. But you also have to be smart. Rethink your progression of adding weight. You may have gone too far too fast.

>i'm thinking of adding another set of 20 minutes to make a total of 100 minutes/day, but time is very short for me. with 80 minutes/day, my current routine, i'm getting nearly the 10 hours/week minimum that Bib recommends. (btw Bib, how did you come up with that figure? experience?) what do you guys think?<

It is simply from anecdotal evidence, from reading of the experiences of hundreds of guys. It seems, in general, the guys that put in ten hours or more of hanging per week gain at a good rate. Some guys that put in less also gain really good, but it does take time under [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words].

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gorillaunit · Oct 6, 2004

Bib said:
gorilla,
18 lbs is a hell of a lot for only one month of hanging. How did you move up so fast? You say you are "fairly comfortable". What does that mean exactly? You should be comfortable. It sounds like you may have moved past your max weight without knowing it.

i know, it's a lot. i guess my ligs are very tough. i'm comfortable about 30 seconds to a minute into the hanging (when i'm adjusted in my seat properly and everything's in place). after a few sets though, my comfort level fades slightly (takes maybe two minutes to adjust and get comfortable). btw, can you refresh my memory on how to find your max weight?

Bib said:
It is not uncommon to shrink back. I did often. Some guys think that it is a sign of overwork, and they could be right. You might have jumped your weight a little too much. I do know that when I would raise my max weight, I would sometimes get shrinkage. Question: Do you ever lower the weights on the later sets?

Answer to question: no and if i break up the 4 sets into two in the morning and two at night, i have no problem whatsoever maintaining the weight. however, last night i tried doing all 4 sets nearly consecutively (a half hour at most in between two of them) and on my 4th it was a little bit of a struggle. i should have lowered the weight for that set probably, but i was stubborn and stupid and broke one of the important rules in hanging: don't grit your teeth and bear it.

another question i have is: going by personal experience and that of others, what is a realistic expectation for gaining? i know things slow up a bit after a while, but what seems to be the average for beginners and also veterans hanging 10+ hours/week?

also, obviously there has to be a limit to how long a ligament can stretch. what do you think that is for the suspensory and fundiform ligs? what's your guess for there limit?

thanks Bib

Bib · Oct 7, 2004

gorilla,

>i know, it's a lot. i guess my ligs are very tough. i'm comfortable about 30 seconds to a minute into the hanging (when i'm adjusted in my seat properly and everything's in place). after a few sets though, my comfort level fades slightly (takes maybe two minutes to adjust and get comfortable). btw, can you refresh my memory on how to find your max weight?<

I always say to start low, at 2.5-5 lbs, then move up 1-2 lbs per week till you reach a weight that causes fatigue, soreness, tiredness, in either the ligs, or shaft, or both. That is your max weight, the LOWEST weight that will cause fatigue. Then, after reaching fatigue, you lower the weight on subsequent sets to remain comfortable. If you try to grin and bear it, grit your teeth, that is torture. Not good. Soreness is one sign of tissue deformation. Pain is a sign of injury.

>Answer to question: no and if i break up the 4 sets into two in the morning and two at night, i have no problem whatsoever maintaining the weight.<

That is common. A split session gives time for healing.

>however, last night i tried doing all 4 sets nearly consecutively (a half hour at most in between two of them) and on my 4th it was a little bit of a struggle. i should have lowered the weight for that set probably, but i was stubborn and stupid and broke one of the important rules in hanging: don't grit your teeth and bear it.<

You are correct. Don't fight it. Sit back, relax, and let the weight do the work. If you find yourself clock watching, you are probably using too much weight.

>another question i have is: going by personal experience and that of others, what is a realistic expectation for gaining? i know things slow up a bit after a while, but what seems to be the average for beginners and also veterans hanging 10+ hours/week?<

It just varies so wildly, I cannot come up with anything useful. I have known guys that did not gain for three years, and then after working up to 25 lbs, suddenly begin to gain. I started with good gains at about 7.5 lbs. Others start gaining at 10-15. I would say .25 inches per month is great. One inch per year is really good.

>also, obviously there has to be a limit to how long a ligament can stretch. what do you think that is for the suspensory and fundiform ligs? what's your guess for there limit?<

All of that depends on the amount of inner penis there is available to express by stretching ligs. If you have a high LOT, then there should be a lot of inner penis to express. If your LOT is very low, if you have a low exit point, there may not be much inner penis to express. If you notice, most adult entertainment stars have a very low exit point.

I think my LOT was very high when I started. I had a very high exit point. I estimate that I had about two inches of inner penis to express from lig stretch alone. Perhaps more. I would say the range for expression of inner penis by lig stretch would be from 0 to 3 inches. Perhaps a little more than three inches.

Side note: When I was in my 20's, I had a lower back problem. I was X-rayed to find the problem, and examined the plates with my Dr. The plate included my entire pelvic region. Of course, the X-ray will pick up connective tissue, showing as light areas on the plate. This was prePenis Enlargement for me, and I had a button for a flaccid penis. But on the plate, it clearly appeared that I had a large flaccid penis pointing upwards! I almost screwed up and told the Dr he had the wrong plate. The guy on the plate had a large penis! But I would never have told him why I thought so. Now, I realize this was inner penis being held in by short ligs. Years later, I was able to pull this inner shaft out by hanging.

Along with the LOT test, you can also palpate to find the extent of inner penis. Easy to locate your exit point, where the shaft exits the skin. Then, palpate and find the bottom of your pubic bone. It should not be very far from your prostate. Then, measure the distance from your exit point to the bottom of your pubic bone. This is about the amount of inner penis you can express by stretching ligs.

On the other hand, the shaft, tunica, can be stretched/grown, forever using enough force. Split your thinking into inner and outer tunica. Inner tunica is from the ligs to the prostate. Outer tunica is from the ligs to the head. As you inner tunica grows/stretches, your LOT should rise. Therefore, you will have more inner penis to be expressed by lig stretching.

Hope this helps,

Bigger

gorillaunit · Oct 8, 2004

thanks Bib.

dex · Jun 29, 2005

Bib said:
If you notice, most adult entertainment stars have a very low exit point.

Along with the LOT test, you can also palpate to find the extent of inner penis. Easy to locate your exit point, where the shaft exits the skin. Then, palpate and find the bottom of your pubic bone. It should not be very far from your prostate. Then, measure the distance from your exit point to the bottom of your pubic bone. This is about the amount of inner penis you can express by stretching ligs.

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Hi bib,
how can see that adult entertainment stars have an low exit point?
How i can find my pubic bone? Where i have to put my finger in the skin to touch my pubic bone?

ocd · Jun 29, 2005

Very informative. Nice thread.

Bib · Jun 30, 2005

dex,

>how can see that adult entertainment stars have an low exit point?<

Because their exit point is usually very low, below the pubic bone, and you can see the entire inner shaft, what little there is, when their legs are spread a bit, plainly esposed, right at their anus.

>How i can find my pubic bone?<

It is the hard object felt above the base of your penis.

>Where i have to put my finger in the skin to touch my pubic bone?<

Above the base of the penis.

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dex · Jun 30, 2005

Bib said:
>How i can find my pubic bone?<

It is the hard object felt above the base of your penis.

>Where i have to put my finger in the skin to touch my pubic bone?<

Above the base of the penis.

Bigger

Thank you bib for all the answers,not only in this thread.

So it is the same like measuring the bone pressed erect lenght with a ruler.
When im measuring bp lenght, i also push my ruler in my fatpad to the pubic bone.
Is this right?

Bib · Jun 30, 2005

dex,

>So it is the same like measuring the bone pressed erect lenght with a ruler.
When im measuring bp lenght, i also push my ruler in my fatpad to the pubic bone.<

Yes.

For many guys, the exit point is high. This means the ligs hold the shaft close to the front face of the pubic bone. The bottom of the pubic bone is close to the junction of the two groinal grooves. So, it is a rather tall piece of bone.

Bigger

ocd · Jun 30, 2005

So if I understand this correctly the "inner penis" is roughly the area between the anus and the bottom of the base of my cock? Kind of feels like a muscle just below my balls where I feel the kegels.

If I have it right that would explain some very cool soreness I get in certain sitting positions.

dex · Jul 1, 2005

Bib said:
dex,

>So it is the same like measuring the bone pressed erect lenght with a ruler.
When im measuring bp lenght, i also push my ruler in my fatpad to the pubic bone.<

Yes.

For many guys, the exit point is high. This means the ligs hold the shaft close to the front face of the pubic bone. The bottom of the pubic bone is close to the junction of the two groinal grooves. So, it is a rather tall piece of bone.

Bigger

So what im measuring?I push my ruler into my fatpad and then i get a measurement if i have good lig potential or not?
Why this test?YOu only have subtract your NBPenis EnlargementL from the BPenis EnlargementL to get this measurement.
Why i have to use the fingers?

Jason1 · Jul 1, 2005

I don't follow?

dex · Jul 1, 2005

I was asking why you have to use your finger when you can simply use your bpel measurement.
And i want to know what a "good" measurement is, with good i mean a measurement which indicates me a high liq potential.I also want to know what measurement is considered bad in this test.
Does this also mean that people with more fat have a greater liq potential?

Jason1 · Jul 1, 2005

I don' think that is what he means.

Bib · Jul 2, 2005

ocd,

>So if I understand this correctly the "inner penis" is roughly the area between the anus and the bottom of the base of my cock?<

I think of two different areas that comprise "inner penis". First, defining inner penis as that portion of the shaft on the inner side of the skin, within the body. Then, there is a portion between the prostate, close to the anus, to the bottom of the pubic bone. Then, for most guys, the shaft curves up, coming from under the pubic bone, and traveling up the front face of the pubic bone, to exit the skin.

The later portion is what can be exposed by lig stretch. All of the inner penis can be stretched for inner tunica gains.

>Kind of feels like a muscle just below my balls where I feel the kegels.<

Yes, that is your PB muscle. The shaft actually goes through that mass of muscle.

dex,

>So what im measuring?I push my ruler into my fatpad and then i get a measurement if i have good lig potential or not?
Why this test?YOu only have subtract your NBPenis EnlargementL from the BPenis EnlargementL to get this measurement.
Why i have to use the fingers?<

You are way off base. I suggest you read the instructions again. The test has nothing to do with BPenis EnlargementL measures. It is a test to estimate the amount of shaft from the bottom of the pubic bone, to the skin exit point.

Bigger

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dex · Jul 2, 2005

Bib said:
You are way off base. I suggest you read the instructions again. The test has nothing to do with BPenis EnlargementL measures. It is a test to estimate the amount of shaft from the bottom of the pubic bone, to the skin exit point.

Bigger

Hi bib,

the following text is a posting from you from another threat in this forum:

"This is along the lines of what I have written about in the past with palpating the distance between the bottom of the pubic bone, and the exit point of the shaft from the skin. Any guy can pull straight out, palpate and find the bottom of the pubic bone with his middle finger, and then put his thumb on the top of the shaft where it exits the skin. The distance from the tip of the middle finger to the thumb would be about how much he could gain from lig stretch, without consideration of inner shaft stretch (could be positive), and without consideration of fat pad (negative).

Good stuff,

Bigger"

Is this the same test we are discussing now in this threat here?

Bib · Jul 2, 2005

dex,

>Is this the same test we are discussing now in this threat here?<

I have no idea what you mean. The test you quoted is a test to try and determine the approximate amount of inner penis than can potentially be released by lig stretch.

It does not involve BPenis EnlargementL. You were asking if the pubic bone is the same pubic bone used for the BPenis EnlargementL measure. I said yes. But the pubic bone extends very low, and the shaft can travel a good distance, from under the pubic bone, up the front face of the pubic bone.

Bigger

dex · Jul 3, 2005

I wanted to know if the test i have quoted from you, is the same test you tried to explain me in this threat here, or if it is another test you came up with.
Im asking this, because i thought you came up with three tests:
1.LOT Test
2.I call it the "exit point" test,the test we are talking about in this threat, which is propably the same test like the test i quoted from you from another threat.
3.I dont know this test and can not find information about it.

Hope you will understand me.

Bib · Jul 3, 2005

dex,

>Hope you will understand me.<

No, I do not. Does anyone else know what he is attempting to ask?

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dex · Jul 3, 2005

I just want to ask if somebody can explain me the test in every detail.
What are the instruments i have to use to do the measurements in this test,fingers or ruler?
If i have to use fingers, how should i put the finger into the pubic bone and which finger i have to use,indexfinger?

How do i measure the result, in inches or im measuring with a fictive watch like im doing in the LOT test.
What is the conclusion after the measuremnt, for example when i do the lot test and i have a 6 o lock lot i know that i have to work the tunica.

Bib · Jul 3, 2005

dex,

You are trying to make this too hard.

>What are the instruments i have to use to do the measurements in this test,fingers or ruler?<

Measure on your body with your fingers. Then, if you wish, you can hold the distance with your fingers, and measure that distance with a ruler.

>If i have to use fingers, how should i put the finger into the pubic bone and which finger i have to use,indexfinger?<

It is easier to find the junction of the shaft and bottom of the pubic bone with your forefinger or middle finger. Then hold your thumb on the shaft exit point from the skin.

>How do i measure the result, in inches or im measuring with a fictive watch like im doing in the LOT test.<

In inches.

>What is the conclusion after the measuremnt, for example when i do the lot test and i have a 6 o lock lot i know that i have to work the tunica.<

The test gives you a visual approximation of the amount of inner shaft, from the bottom of the pubic bone, to the exit point. This amount may potentially be exposed from lig stretch, lowering the exit point.

Bigger

dex · Jul 3, 2005

Sorry bib, but i think i still not understand how to do the test.
But i have to say that i understand the theory behind this test now.

Can you correct me if im wrong?

Im doing this test in a standing position.
Then i try to push my forefinger in my pubic bone.
But here is the problem, i can not push my forefinger far into my pubic bone when i push in in the middle, because there are some tendon/sinew.It hurts like hell when i do this.When im talking about middle, i mean the perspective from my eyes when im looking down to my unit.In the middle of the shaft there are the tendons which hold the penis.I dont now the medical name for it, im not fit in penis anatomy.
When i push my finger on the sides in my pubic bone,besides the tendon, i can push almost my whole forefinger in.It is about 2 inches.
Now im asking me what is the right way.
I also want to mention, that you have to take care that you do slipp off with your finger, this means you will push your finger in your scrotum which gaves you an wrong measurement, because you can push your finger more inside.

FatherRuffian · Jul 3, 2005

Dex. My question to you is this - what does it really matter?

Just assume you have alot of *inner penis* and begin experimenting to see what does or does not work for you to make gains.

FR.

ocd · Jul 4, 2005

Thanks Bib...I'm looking forward to this journey.

Let the work begin!

Bib · Jul 4, 2005

dex,

>Im doing this test in a standing position.<

It is hard to find the bottom of your pubic bone while standing. Try sitting.

>Then i try to push my forefinger in my pubic bone.<

Why?

>But here is the problem, i can not push my forefinger far into my pubic bone when i push in in the middle, because there are some tendon/sinew.It hurts like hell when i do this.<

I guess so. Why would you try to do that?

>I also want to mention, that you have to take care that you do slipp off with your finger, this means you will push your finger in your scrotum which gaves you an wrong measurement, because you can push your finger more inside.<

Well, for many guys, the bottom of their pubic bone is either inside, or even below the scrotum. You are looking for the junction of the shaft and the bottom of the pubic bone. I do not know any other way to put it.

Bigger

dex · Jul 5, 2005

>Then i try to push my forefinger in my pubic bone.<

"Why?"

Which finger i should use then?

>But here is the problem, i can not push my forefinger far into my pubic bone when i push in in the middle, because there are some tendon/sinew.It hurts like hell when i do this.<

"I guess so. Why would you try to do that?"

I tried to reach my bubic bone from the top. But i figured out that it hurts because of the tendons. I also realized that it makes no sense to do it this way, because it is the same like a bpel measuremnts, and this is wrong here.
So i put my finger in from the side.

rd8x6 · Jul 6, 2005

I read this thread a few times and I think I finally understand it. If so, I have great potential for lig gains. It seems to be at least 2 1/2" from my penis exit point to where it curves under the pubic bone. That would be an incredible drop in exit point, almost right near my anus. Bib, did your package really drop that much? If so, it didn't create any problems did it? (like getting in the way)

dex · Jul 7, 2005

rd8x6 said:
I read this thread a few times and I think I finally understand it. If so, I have great potential for lig gains. It seems to be at least 2 1/2" from my penis exit point to where it curves under the pubic bone. That would be an incredible drop in exit point, almost right near my anus. Bib, did your package really drop that much? If so, it didn't create any problems did it? (like getting in the way)

What is your LOT?

rd8x6 · Jul 7, 2005

My LOT is 8:00 which is fairly low but I'm going with BTC anyway. It served me decently well in the past.

dex · Jul 7, 2005

rd8x6 said:
My LOT is 8:00 which is fairly low but I'm going with BTC anyway. It served me decently well in the past.

This makes no sense to me. You said that you have 2.5 inches of inner shaft.
I think your LOT should be higher than,or?
Perhaps bib can help us to interpret this result.

Bib,
does this test mean, that if you have 2.5 inches of inner shaft like rd8x6, that you can gain 2.5 inches erect lenght only through liq stretching or hanging?
How can you combine this test and the LOT test?

Bib · Jul 7, 2005

rd8,

>I read this thread a few times and I think I finally understand it. If so, I have great potential for lig gains. It seems to be at least 2 1/2" from my penis exit point to where it curves under the pubic bone. That would be an incredible drop in exit point, almost right near my anus. Bib, did your package really drop that much?<

My exit point is not near my anus, but my scrotum is close now, and my exit point is right at, or a bit below, the junction of my legs. Quite a big drop.

>If so, it didn't create any problems did it? (like getting in the way)<

Yes, mainly good problems. But things do get in the way of my legs, and it is much easier to sit on my package, especially getting into a car.

Dex,

>This makes no sense to me. You said that you have 2.5 inches of inner shaft.
I think your LOT should be higher than,or?
Perhaps bib can help us to interpret this result.<

There are many variable in physiology. He may have a much steeper curve to his pubic bone, giving a lot of length from his exit point, but showing a lower LOT on his clock face. That is one of the reasons I thought of the other tests to try and determine the amount of potential from lig stretch.

>does this test mean, that if you have 2.5 inches of inner shaft like rd8x6, that you can gain 2.5 inches erect lenght only through liq stretching or hanging?<

I have no idea what that question means. There would be 2.5 inches of shaft that could potentially be exposed through lig stretch. But you can always gain from tunica stretch.

>How can you combine this test and the LOT test?<

I do not know what that means.

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rd8x6 · Jul 7, 2005

Dex, let's see if this helps. Im no anatomy expert but it seems that the pubic bone does not open up right near the base of your penis, at least mine doesnt. It does dip a bit but doesnt open for some distance, like Bib said depends on the physiology of the person. Reach down a little farther and see if you can feel what is being described.

Of course I can be 100% off base here. Im sure someone would correct me if Im wrong.

dex · Jul 8, 2005

Thank you bib for your great effort to explain me and the other guys the theory behind your tests.

Bib said:
There are many variable in physiology. He may have a much steeper curve to his pubic bone, giving a lot of length from his exit point, but showing a lower LOT on his clock face. That is one of the reasons I thought of the other tests to try and determine the amount of potential from lig stretch.
Bigger

What other tests do you mean besides the test you try to expalin me here in this threat?
For further discussions, can we please choose a name for the test we are talking about in this whole threat here? Please give this test a name.

Is one of the other tests described in the following quote?
I quoted this post from you. I found it here in the forum.

Bib said:
I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test(1) to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point(2). Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point(3).
Bigger

The numbers in your quote were not from you, i insert them, hope you are not angry, sorry for this.

I do not understand the difference between test 2 and 3?

There are more tests you have invented?

Chi · Jul 8, 2005

For someone who has trouble understanding this, test #3 is probably the most easily done right.

I wonder how accurate it is that those lines intersect at the bottom of the pubic bone. And the distance to estimate is the vertical distance I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bib · Jul 11, 2005

>What other tests do you mean besides the test you try to expalin me here in this threat?
For further discussions, can we please choose a name for the test we are talking about in this whole threat here? Please give this test a name.<

There is the LOT test.

Then the manual palpation test. Actually feel the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone, to the skin exit point of the shaft.

Then the full frontal nudity test. Stand naked in front of a mirror, draw an imaginary line down the groinal grooves till the lines intersect. Then, see how far above the intersection point the shaft exit point is.

>I do not understand the difference between test 2 and 3?<

What don't you understand?

>There are more tests you have invented?<

No, thank God.

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Bib · Jul 11, 2005

Chi,

>I wonder how accurate it is that those lines intersect at the bottom of the pubic bone. And the distance to estimate is the vertical distance I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.<

This test really only tells you whether you have a high exit point, or a low exit point. The manual palpation test will give you a good idea of what can be gained by lig stretch. The LOT test simply attempts to explain the relationship between the ligs, outer tunica, and inner tunica, and perhaps the best angles to attack at any one point in time.

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dex · Jul 26, 2005

Bib said:
>But here is the problem, i can not push my forefinger far into my pubic bone when i push in in the middle, because there are some tendon/sinew.It hurts like hell when i do this.<

I guess so. Why would you try to do that?

If this is wrong, where i have to put my finger into?

Bib said:
It does not involve BPenis EnlargementL. You were asking if the pubic bone is the same pubic bone used for the BPenis EnlargementL measure. I said yes. But the pubic bone extends very low, and the shaft can travel a good distance, from under the pubic bone, up the front face of the pubic bone.

So im measuring the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the point where i put my ruler when im measuring my bpel?

Another question:
Why i have to stretch my penis out to do this test and why i have to do it in a sitting position.Is there a different measurement when im doing it in a standing position?Or is standing wrong?

phalanx12 · Jul 26, 2005

I have an issue. I began jacking off when I was 11 years old. And of course, like most elevn-year-olds i couldn't ejaculate. Well, now I'm 18, and I'm still having that problem. What can I do to make myself ejaculate? I've tried so many things, but nothing seems to be working. It's almost as if my penis hasn't matured since I was 11.

Thanks much,
Phalanx

Bib · Jul 27, 2005

Dex,

>So im measuring the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the point where i put my ruler when im measuring my bpel?<

From the bottom of the pubic bone, to the shaft exit point from the skin.

>Why i have to stretch my penis out to do this test<

You do not.

>and why i have to do it in a sitting position.<

Easier to reach.

>Is there a different measurement when im doing it in a standing position?Or is standing wrong?<

If you can do it standing, then fine.

Bigger

dex · Aug 2, 2005

bib said:
Any guy can pull straight out, palpate and find the bottom of the pubic bone with his middle finger, and then put his thumb on the top of the shaft where it exits the skin.
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dex · Aug 2, 2005

Bib said:
>Why i have to stretch my penis out to do this test<

You do not.
Bigger

But in a other posting you said you have to pull out.

Bib said:
Any guy can pull straight out, palpate and find the bottom of the pubic bone with his middle finger, and then put his thumb on the top of the shaft where it exits the skin.
Bigger

Im confused now,but perhaps im understanding it wrong.

wesb · Aug 2, 2005

Bib,

I understand what you are talking about, in stretching the ligs to allow the inner penis to express. I am wondering if you experienced changes in your testicles? It would seem that the inner penis is below the sack. If everything were suddenly stretched out, wouldn't the ball sack come out as well? I suppose that by gradual stretching over time, more skin is stretched and the testicles can keep sliding down to the base of the shaft.

One more question, as the inner penis is expressed by lig stretching, wouldn't the attachment point of the ligs to the penis be pulled out as well - this point which was inside the body, is now pulled out into the exterorior shaft? Could this be why some of the guys such as Stillwantmore and others who have posted pics, look like the base of the penis is a "V"? I'm picturing the ligs being pulled out, thus adding girth to the base as well as length.

My bib hanger has been on the shelf for a long time, but I hope to finally have time to devote to hanging and I'm getting motivated to start up.

Thanks,

wesb

Bib · Aug 3, 2005

dex,

>But in a other posting you said you have to pull out.<

Pulling out may help you keep track of the shaft as you follow it down, the shaft being tense rather than flopping. However, as long as you can feel the shaft as you palpate down to the bottom of the pubic bone, that is all you need.

wesb,

>I understand what you are talking about, in stretching the ligs to allow the inner penis to express. I am wondering if you experienced changes in your testicles? It would seem that the inner penis is below the sack. If everything were suddenly stretched out, wouldn't the ball sack come out as well?<

Damn good questions. I hope I can do justice to them. There are a few things that determine what happens to the scotum and testicles. First is the skin. Most guys find that they need to do some scrotum wrapping to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and get rid of "turkey neck". When the ligs are stretched, and the shaft pulled down, the top shaft skin will be stretched, but the bottom shaft skin will not be stretched so much. This is because during the stress, the scrotum loans skin to the bottom shaft.

Interesting point: The midline of the scrotum is internally connected to the fundiform ligament, which goes under the shaft at the base. When you stretch or hang at the lower angles, this ligament is also stretched, and therefore the midline of the scrotum also is lowered. So generally, you do not have to worry about hanging causing the testicles to ride up.

But as I wrote above, you may need to wrap to stretch the scrotal skin on the sides, and the bottom shaft skin. If you hang at the upper angles while scrotum wrapped, all of this skin should stretch fairly rapidly.

>One more question, as the inner penis is expressed by lig stretching, wouldn't the attachment point of the ligs to the penis be pulled out as well - this point which was inside the body, is now pulled out into the exterorior shaft?<

You are correct. The effective attachment points, both on the shaft and pubic bone, no longer are 'valid'.

>Could this be why some of the guys such as Stillwantmore and others who have posted pics, look like the base of the penis is a "V"?<

Yes. Some guys refer to this as tree roots.

>I'm picturing the ligs being pulled out, thus adding girth to the base as well as length.<

For some guys, this could be a girth addition. But also, for many if not most guys, there is an actual increase in shaft base girth.

>My bib hanger has been on the shelf for a long time, but I hope to finally have time to devote to hanging and I'm getting motivated to start up.<

Get busy. Multi-task. If you are sitting around alone, you should be hanging.

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dex · Aug 6, 2005

Today i did the palpation test.
I hope i did it the right way.
Some questions and problems i figured out:

In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?

I figured out, that my penis has curve insight my body.I dont know how i can describe it.
I will describe it the way i feel it, when im doing this test in the standing position. I stretch straight out and put my forefinger on the side of my penis and then i palpate down to the inner shaft.Then suddenly the penis goes down it seems like a right angle,perhaps between 70 and 90 degrees(i have problems in guessing the right angle).And in this right angle the shaft goes down to the end of pubic bone.
My question is if this is normal. I also want to know how can measure this curve precisely.

In general i want to ask if anybody knows the average or a common distance from the skins exit point to the end of the pubic bone.
How deep can the pubic bone be?

Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?

dex · Aug 6, 2005

Bib said:
I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test(1) to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point(2). Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point(3).
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Is test 2 and test 3 the same?Im asking because both tests use the words exit point and pubic bone.

Bib · Aug 8, 2005

dex,

>In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?<

I do not really know what you mean.

>I figured out, that my penis has curve insight my body.I dont know how i can describe it.<

The pubic bone is curved. The ligs hold the shaft to the pubic bone. Hence the curve.

>I will describe it the way i feel it, when im doing this test in the standing position. I stretch straight out and put my forefinger on the side of my penis and then i palpate down to the inner shaft.Then suddenly the penis goes down it seems like a right angle,perhaps between 70 and 90 degrees(i have problems in guessing the right angle).And in this right angle the shaft goes down to the end of pubic bone.<

That sounds like the normal curve of the shaft going under the pubic bone.

>My question is if this is normal. I also want to know how can measure this curve precisely.<

For guys with a substantial amount of penis from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point, there must be a substantial curve that you describe. I call it an S curve, because the penis must curve again when it exits the body. There are some drawings that I made in this section that explains how this all works.

There is no reason to measure the inner curve.

>In general i want to ask if anybody knows the average or a common distance from the skins exit point to the end of the pubic bone.
How deep can the pubic bone be?<

It can be very tall. I believe I have read as much or more than 8 cm. Plus, the ligs can hold the inner penis even further than the height of the pubic bone, on to the lower abdomen.

>Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?<

Yes, you can palpate down to the prostate gland, just in front of the anus.

>Is test 2 and test 3 the same?<

No, the 2nd test is by feel. The third test is by sight, using a picture.

>Im asking because both tests use the words exit point and pubic bone.<

Because those are the two points that give you an indiction of inner penis length.

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dex · Aug 9, 2005

Bib said:
dex,
>In my case i get the same results no matter im doing it in a standing or sitting position.The only differnece is, that i guess if my forefinger would be longer,i would be able to put the finger even more farer insight,when doing this test in a standing position.
When doing it sitting,i think even with a longer finger i woulnt can do this.
Is this normal?<

I do not really know what you mean.

I wanted to say that if my finger would be longer, i would be able to put my finger more inside the pubic bone.

Bib said:
For guys with a substantial amount of penis from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point, there must be a substantial curve that you describe. I call it an S curve, because the penis must curve again when it exits the body. There are some drawings that I made in this section that explains how this all works.

I think i have one of this s curves.

Bib said:
>Is it also possible to palpate too far, which means that i go with my fingers too far inside and miss the end because im going further than the pubic bone?<

Yes, you can palpate down to the prostate gland, just in front of the anus.

Iis this really possible to get with your finger through the pubic bone to your anus? You need a very long finger for this.

Bib · Aug 9, 2005

Dex,

>Iis this really possible to get with your finger through the pubic bone to your anus? You need a very long finger for this.<

I have no idea what you mean above. You do not palpate through your pubic bone.

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dex · Nov 17, 2005

Bib said:
>This makes no sense to me. You said that you have 2.5 inches of inner shaft.
I think your LOT should be higher than,or?
Perhaps bib can help us to interpret this result.<

There are many variable in physiology. He may have a much steeper curve to his pubic bone, giving a lot of length from his exit point, but showing a lower LOT on his clock face. That is one of the reasons I thought of the other tests to try and determine the amount of potential from lig stretch.

So a steeper curve in the pubic bone can result in a not so high LOT?
Does it also mean, that a more horizontal curve in the pubic bone can lead to a higher LOT?

Another question:
Is it possible to have an high exit point, when your pubic bone is curved more horinzontal? Because a horizontal curve would mean, that the penis would automatically came out straight of the anus,hope you got me.

Has the anatomy of the pubic bone also effects on the palpation test?

How can you measure the form of a pubic bone, atually i do not really know what "steep" means. I think my pubic bone is more horizontal, because my pubic bone seems to be deep.