Bib's LOT Theory

[joe_smith]

I think a video (visual explanation) would be good for Bib's theory. Something for the visual learners out there. Any volunteers? lol

 

[skandia]

i hold uli grip over my head pull it out and squeeze pc muscle, moving from straight up to the ground,but it tugs back best at top but also at bottom

 

[big-wish]

Bib,

How do you measure LOT, sitting or standing?

I got the following:

Sitting 8:30
Standing 6:30

I measured standing because you can see the angles better.
Assuming the I am sitting straight, I would prefer this measurement beacuse this would give me potential for gains.

At the moment I am only hanging straight down for simplicity and to condition me unit. After enough research and understanding I would like ot move to some other streatch angles based on my lot.

 

[ozzy83]

big-wish,

why don't you use your fingers to palpate the amount of inner penis you've got. Feel from the exit point of the shaft from the skin all the way to the bottom of the pubic bone. This way you can get a better idea of roughly how much potential you've got.

 

[Bib]

big wish,

>How do you measure LOT, sitting or standing?<

I would say standing is more accurate.

Bigger

 

[dex]

>You always said that almost everybody can gain by tunica stretching.
But now lets imagine a guy who is always hanging the upper angles, lets say the reason for this is because he likes it so much.
The common theory is now, that he will gain a lot over time because tunica work leads to unlimitetd lenght gains.
But can it be that after a certain time and some gains he will stop gaining due to tight liqs?In other words, if this guy is not changing his angle to downward hanging, he will never gain?<

I would not use the word never. But if a guy were able to stretch/grow his inner tunica enough, the ligs could begin to take some stress when hanging at the upper angles. As with anything, you should hang at the upper angles in moderation. When you no longer can feel or see progress, change the angle.
Bigger

Does this mean that if you are always hanging upwards and your lot raises, lets say to 10 o clock, and you are continuing upward hanging like ots, your ligs are taking the stress and you are doing lig work and therefor you are lowering/lengthen your ligs and will gain by this?
If this is correct, your exit point will also lower or will it stay at same place or may be rise?

Some other questions which fit into this threat:

Do you know if upward hanging will raise your exit point and/or your erection angle?

Do you know what determines the shape of a penis, i mean upward/downward curve ot straight out with no curve?

Do you know if there is any correlation between erection angle and shape?
For example upward curve and high erection level or downward curve and low erection level.

When you are hanging downward you are lowering your exit point. Does it mean that you are also lowering your erection level?

 

[Bib]

dex,

>Does this mean that if you are always hanging upwards and your lot raises, lets say to 10 o clock, and you are continuing upward hanging like ots, your ligs are taking the stress and you are doing lig work and therefor you are lowering/lengthen your ligs and will gain by this?<

No. I cannot imagine a situation where a guy could apply effective stress to the ligs, enough to deform the ligs, by hanging OTS. However, I believe it would be possible for the ligs to take away some of the stress which is targeted for the tunica, if a guy spent enough time hanging OTS. Remember, you are trying to target certain structures with dedicated stress. No shotgun approach. Divide and conquer.

>Do you know if upward hanging will raise your exit point and/or your erection angle?<

It has been often reported to raise LOT angle, possibly exit point to an extent. But erection angle depends more on the shape of the tunica.

>Do you know what determines the shape of a penis, i mean upward/downward curve ot straight out with no curve?<

The shape of the tunica.

>Do you know if there is any correlation between erection angle and shape?<

Yes, they are obviously correlated.

>For example upward curve and high erection level or downward curve and low erection level.<

Obviously.

>When you are hanging downward you are lowering your exit point. Does it mean that you are also lowering your erection level?<

I thought so before doing the research for LOT. But the stats showed no correlation between LOT and erection angle. It appears to have more to do with gravity and tunica shape.

Bigger

 

[dex]

dex,
>When you are hanging downward you are lowering your exit point. Does it mean that you are also lowering your erection level?<

I thought so before doing the research for LOT. But the stats showed no correlation between LOT and erection angle. It appears to have more to do with gravity and tunica shape.
Bigger

Ok. But there are a lot of people who are reporting a lower erection level after downward hanging. Some people are arguing that the ligs are holding the shaft up against the pubic bone. When your are lengthen your ligs, they are not strong anymore to hold the shaft up against the pubice bone, this leads to a lower erection level.

2 more questions i forgot to ask you last time.

When you are hanging downward so that the ligs become longer, does this mean you will loose erection stability. With stability i mean not hardness. When im talking about less stability i mean that the penis when erect behaves more like a penis when flaccid. For example when the penis is flaccid and you move your hip from right to left, the penis is whipping from the left to the right side. When you are erect you can not do this because the erect penis didnt move to the sides or downward.
Hope you know now what i mean with stability, kind of a rigidity thing.

Does downward hanging has an impact on the penis shape? For example will it correct an upward curve so that the penis becomes more straight?

 

[Bib]

dex,

Good questions.

>Ok. But there are a lot of people who are reporting a lower erection level after downward hanging. Some people are arguing that the ligs are holding the shaft up against the pubic bone. When your are lengthen your ligs, they are not strong anymore to hold the shaft up against the pubice bone, this leads to a lower erection level.<

I agree with the premise. This was surely true for myself. As my shaft was pulled away from the pubic bone, my erection level lowered. But also, it was a matter of age reduced erection hardness, and gravity. The longer fulcrum, and greater weight of the shaft, further from the body, would naturally tend to lower the angle.

But overall, considering many different ages of respondants, many different tunica shapes, the stats did not indicate a great corellation between a lower LOT and lower EA.

>When you are hanging downward so that the ligs become longer, does this mean you will loose erection stability. With stability i mean not hardness. When im talking about less stability i mean that the penis when erect behaves more like a penis when flaccid. For example when the penis is flaccid and you move your hip from right to left, the penis is whipping from the left to the right side. When you are erect you can not do this because the erect penis didnt move to the sides or downward.
Hope you know now what i mean with stability, kind of a rigidity thing.<

I understand. The trend will be, as the shaft is pulled lower, for less stability. This is due not only to fewer strands of ligs inhibiting the shaft, but also the fact that the longer, larger exposed shaft will create more momentum when moved.

Even with much more shaft outside the body, a much larger mass outside the body, I still have a great deal of stability. Plenty to perform at any angle, even at my age.

>Does downward hanging has an impact on the penis shape? For example will it correct an upward curve so that the penis becomes more straight?<

It depends on exactly the force applied to the TUNICA. If a fulcrum is applied to the top of the shaft, the tunica will tend to curve upward. If the fulcrum is applied to the bottom of the shaft, the tunica will end to curve downward. If the stress is applied uniformly out, it will tend to straighten any curve. This has often been reported.

Bigger

 

[dex]

dex,
>Does downward hanging has an impact on the penis shape? For example will it correct an upward curve so that the penis becomes more straight?<

It depends on exactly the force applied to the TUNICA. If a fulcrum is applied to the top of the shaft, the tunica will tend to curve upward. If the fulcrum is applied to the bottom of the shaft, the tunica will end to curve downward. If the stress is applied uniformly out, it will tend to straighten any curve. This has often been reported.
Bigger

So when i hang in a btc or downward position, it will have no effect on the shape of the penis because im only doing lig work and no tunica work?
Or in other words, only tunica stretching or hanging has some effects on the shape of the penis (upward or downward curve).

Do you know which impact ots hanging has on the shape of the penis? Im asking because ots hits the tunica pretty well.

 

[Bib]

dex,

>So when i hang in a btc or downward position, it will have no effect on the shape of the penis because im only doing lig work and no tunica work?<

No. Even at the lower angles, the outer tunica is stressed.

>Or in other words, only tunica stretching or hanging has some effects on the shape of the penis (upward or downward curve).<

Yes. The tough sheathlike tunica, and it's shape, is what determines the shape of the shaft. It is also what limits the volume of an erection.

>Do you know which impact ots hanging has on the shape of the penis? Im asking because ots hits the tunica pretty well.<

It depends on how you hang OTS. If it is absolutely straight, then the tunica will tend to be straightened. If you use fulcrums, there will probably be uneven stretching, which may be fine, and the tunica can and probably will curve.

Bigger

 

[dex]

Dex,
>Is it possible to raise your LOT without gaining?<

Yes. If the inner tunica is stretched, the LOT would rise. But if the ligs attachments from the shaft to the pubic bone were strong enough and tight enough, the gains may not be displayed until the ligs are stretched.
Bigger

What do you think, how tight have the ligs to be to prevent tunica gains?
Can you give a LOT number?

Dex,
>In the quote beneath you said that working the upper angles with a high LOT, can lead to no gains because of tight liqs.<

The reason is, at some point, I can see a guy hanging at the upper angles, and the ligs taking some of the stress. The point is, if the ligs are taking any stress at the upper angles, then it is time to switch to the lower angles, which will stress the ligs much more effectively.
Bigger

Can the ligs take some stress while doing tunica hanging, for example ots,when you have a 8-9 LOT?

If you are asking what the mean or average LOT is, I would guess somewhere between 8-9.
Bigger

Do you really think that there are guys with LOTs in the range from >10-12?
I can not imagine that this is possible. I think 10 might be the highest.

 

[Bib]

dex,

>What do you think, how tight have the ligs to be to prevent tunica gains?<

Tight enough to prevent the full extension of the normal erection.

>Can you give a LOT number?<

No.

>Do you really think that there are guys with LOTs in the range from >10-12?<

Sure. I know I was a 12. If you have a vertical pubic bone, and the ligs firmly attach the inner shaft to the face of the pubic bone, you will have a 12.

Bigger

 

[dex]

dex,
If the stress is applied uniformly out, it will tend to straighten any curve. This has often been reported.
Bigger

So when you are hanging straight out, you will work the tunica and the tunica will straighten, so that the upward curve is gone.
How can i be sure then, that i made real gains? May be i got only gains because of the fact that i have straighten out my curve and i got no real shaft growth.
Do you see the problem?

 

[Bib]

dex,

>So when you are hanging straight out, you will work the tunica and the tunica will straighten, so that the upward curve is gone.<

From what I have read, yes. The shorter sides, fibers, will be stretched first and most.

>How can i be sure then, that i made real gains? May be i got only gains because of the fact that i have straighten out my curve and i got no real shaft growth.<

If that is how you define "real gains", I have no answer. I would say, whatever allows you to more easily reach the CDS of a woman is real gains.

>Do you see the problem?<

No. Even if you straighten a curve, and this results in a gain, it does not disallow the prospect of other, or further gains from total tunica stretch, and gains from lig stretch.

Bigger

 

[sweets]

Bib:
1)Can one gain just as much length working the tunica vs. the ligs.
In the previous year hanging BTC I never gained, finding out my lot is 6 so I started SO and OTS stretching. 2) Do you think one can gain just a much from his tunica if he didn't gain from his ligs.
How much (do u)(can everybody get 4inches like u?) can it be lengthened.

3)Are tunica lengthing harder to get then ligs past a "newbie" stage.
also, 4) is it true that this lot theory is just a guide and doesn't neccessarily mean that having a low lot means you will not gain as much. I read a lot of people sounding discouraged that their lot is low, but my Q is that isn't this just a reference or is it that having a lower lot means less length gains?

 

[Bib]

sweets,

>1)Can one gain just as much length working the tunica vs. the ligs.
In the previous year hanging BTC I never gained, finding out my lot is 6 so I started SO and OTS stretching. 2) Do you think one can gain just a much from his tunica if he didn't gain from his ligs.<

Yes, I believe one can gain more from the tunica than ligs. I believe I had great potential for gains from lig stretch, and made two inches of gain from pulling inner penis down and out. I believe the rest of my gains were made from tunica stretch/growth.

The fact is, actual gains from lig stretch are limited to the amount of inner penis which can be exposed. Tunica gains are only limited by the amount of stress you can apply and withstand, to the tunica.

Now, surely some guys will have an easier time than others. First, the ligs surely appear to be much easier to stretch and deform than the tunica. Some guys tunica stretch much easier than others. The failure level for the tunica fibers of some guys will be well under ten lbs. For others, it is over 30 lbs.

>How much (do u)(can everybody get 4inches like u?) can it be lengthened.<

I know of two other hangers that have reported gains as much or more than mine (4 inches BPenis EnlargementL or more). I know of several in the three inch range. However, that is surely not the norm. In fact, those reported gains are outlyers, and should not be considered as generally possible.

Most guys do not wish for that much of a gain. Then, other guys do not wish to delve into the stress amounts needed for greater and greater gains. Many guys tire of the Penis Enlargement grind, even hanging. That is why I always recommend that hangers get as comfortable as possible, and have plenty of multi-tasking duties to perform while hanging. Just let it happen.

>3)Are tunica lengthing harder to get then ligs past a "newbie" stage.<

I believe, from reports and my own experience, tunica gains are always tougher than gains from lig stretch.

>also, 4) is it true that this lot theory is just a guide and doesn't neccessarily mean that having a low lot means you will not gain as much.<

The LOT theory is a guide. The only point of the theory that I can find in question is the difference in the angle of the pubic bones of different guys. That can create a different reading. However, the basics of the theory is true, and if understood, will lead to a better understanding of how a guy's Penis Enlargement program should be structured.

I do not understand how anyone can conclude that the LOT theory can predict gains whatsoever. The potential for gains from lig stretch do matter, but perhaps the individual relative strength of each tunica matters more. In fact, there are a huge number of variables that determine how much one can or will gain. The LOT theory does not address most of those variable.

Example, one could have an LOT of 12, but extremely tough ligaments, which make it tough to realize that potential for gains from lig stretch.

Or, one could have an LOT of 6, but extremely weak tunica collagenous tissue, and make great gains.

>I read a lot of people sounding discouraged that their lot is low, but my Q is that isn't this just a reference or is it that having a lower lot means less length gains?<

There is absolutely no reason to be discouraged because of one's LOT. The LOT theory simply points that individual to stress the entire tunica, inner and outer, by working at the upper angles, and therefore stressing the entire tunica.

Bigger

 

[sweets]

Excellent read, and you couldn't of answered these questions and better.

1)How long did it take you to gain your first inch. Did you plataue any time

getting to that inch. At what if any pionts did you plataue after that.

2) How much time did you spend on your length routine or what is a

good amount of time to spend(I spend about an hour+ADS). 3) How did you

increase your intensity when you felt you were plataueing?

 

[hatecock]

so let me see if im going to test my LOT correctly

i get an erection then i do a kegal, and wherever my base stops moving up is my lot?

oh and ive peed before but i just started to be daily and serious a week ago exactly, ive done the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] and added some ulis and supra slammers to my routine, and my erection quality is so so, definitly cant get full ons, will this effect it?

thank you for any help

 

[Pandora]

so let me see if im going to test my LOT correctly

i get an erection then i do a kegal, and wherever my base stops moving up is my lot?

oh and ive peed before but i just started to be daily and serious a week ago exactly, ive done the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] and added some ulis and supra slammers to my routine, and my erection quality is so so, definitly cant get full ons, will this effect it?

thank you for any help

I dont think it done like that well i dont read my lot like that u have to be flaccid and u look for loss of tug back so i would stretch my penis to the floor then kegal and my penis would not tug my hand back so that means i have a low lot then i would place my penis up and kegal and my hand would get pulled back by my penis this is because of my ligs why this happens because my ligs are low, pointing to the ground there is no tugg back but pointing up there is.

so what ur looking for weather ur stretching down straight out or up is when u kegal ur feeling for when u hands starts to get pulled back by ur penis and as soon as u feel this that is ur LOT LOSS OFF TUG.

OR u want to feel for when the tug back is not as strong then that is your lot so which ever angle the kegals are weak and ur hands does not get pull back as strong is your lot.

 

[Canuk]

So if my lot is say 6 then what does the theory say about the exercises I should use.

 

[Pandora]

So if my lot is say 6 then what does the theory say about the exercises I should use.

OTS you should be stretching at upper angles but it can take alot more time to stretch the tuncia.

 

[kenryu21]

Awesome thread.
Just test and it seems I'm close to 8 o clock. Hum, so i've to strech more up than down.

 

[DLD]

Awesome thread.
Just test and it seems I'm close to 8 o clock. Hum, so i've to strech more up than down.

You have to stretch for all angles no matter what your LOT is!

 

[olshlong]

Ive been reading and trying to understand this but I do not know much about the inside tissues. Bib, my erection angle is around a 9 or 9:30, I do have trouble gaining. My el is 5.6, .5 of that took me 6 months, now the gains have been coming very slow. Is hanging the new best way to loosen the ligs resulting in longer ligs and a longer penis. I do not have a hanger but I do have weights. What is the best way and angle I should hang weight from to losen my ligs the best. I know once I start hanging my penis will get a lot of excess skin that my penis will need to grow into. Thanks, I tried looking at thunders page, couldn't open the pics to get a better idea.

 

[DLD]

Ive been reading and trying to understand this but I do not know much about the inside tissues. Bib, my erection angle is around a 9 or 9:30, I do have trouble gaining. My el is 5.6, .5 of that took me 6 months, now the gains have been coming very slow. Is hanging the new best way to loosen the ligs resulting in longer ligs and a longer penis. I do not have a hanger but I do have weights. What is the best way and angle I should hang weight from to losen my ligs the best. I know once I start hanging my penis will get a lot of excess skin that my penis will need to grow into. Thanks, I tried looking at thunders page, couldn't open the pics to get a better idea.

You would be better understanding [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory instead of LOT theory as they both are saying similar things but [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] gives you a clear, smooth path to how to use your penis to your advantage. LOT, or loss of tug back makes general assumptions about why some men gain and others do not and, according to theory, this is highly dependent on your penis exit point and whether you should spend you time doing upward stretching or downward stretching. This does make some sense but why allow our exit point or LOT determine how much size we can gain and from where? Is it not easier to just change the exit point and continue to reap gains from multiple angles? In [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory I concentrate heavily on Expressive Stretching and ES changes your LOT and exit point! In addition, stretching internal penis becomes very easy through basic exercises like the DLD Hardcore [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] Stretches and the various [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PowerAssist[/words] and [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] EX stretches. One could even opt to stretch from the base to alter exit point and effect LOT.

I am the kind of person that needs to know everything an research it all before I can agree. I am a deductive person, I am very basic an very simple, my intelligence is definitely a animated version of Game Theory Basic, deductive thinking says if LOT is disallowing me from stretching in a certain way then I will change what my LOT is.

 

[lazyhanger]

Theories are just theories (for lazy people)! If you want to gain just stretch hard every angle, imo you can get most out of it by doing so . Look at it this way, if you work every angle, tunica and ligaments, there is NO WAY that you won't gain. Ha topped all of ya theories with that

 

[DLD]

Theories are just theories (for lazy people)! If you want to gain just stretch hard every angle, imo you can get most out of it by doing so . Look at it this way, if you work every angle, tunica and ligaments, there is NO WAY that you won't gain. Ha topped all of ya theories with that

Keep it simple, if that is too complicated, keep it simpler!

 

[lazyhanger]

hehe best thing I learned from you DLD!