All Night Pumping

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I've read what's on the forum here about the VitallusPlus and it seems like a promising idea. On the surface it seems to be priced semi-reasonably (on the expensive end for those of us in the states but about on par with other German products), but like other German Penis Enlargement products (Penimaster Pro, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]) typing in your credit card information the first time is hardly the end of it. Making you continuously buy parts ou can only get from them makes the total cost of ownership over your Penis Enlargement lifetime considerably higher than the initial purchase.

Obviously there's a limit to how cheap you can be with this. I would hope anyone reading this doesn't have to have why using a traditional pump all night is a bad idea. The benefit of the VitallusPlus is that it keeps the pressure in a safe range and automatically shuts itself off after a fixed period of time. Your Mityvac pump isn't going to do that.

However, there are other electronic pumps out there that do this. Right now I'm looking at the DP-4000 from CTC:
http://ctc-company.com/product_info.php?products_id=241

PumpToys also has a digital pump, but it's about $100 more and not available until they find another supplier for parts it needs, so I'm going to focus on CTC here.

Bear with me for a minute. The DP-4000 will run any program you create on your computer, for any time you configure, so you can have it go all night or just an hour or two. The pressure goes 1-15 Hg, so it certainly goes low enough to be viable for this purpose. Yes, it costs more up front, but there are far fewer expenses in the future. This uses standard pumping cylinders, so you could get every size from 1.5"-3" from sellers on eBay for no more than the cost of 2 replacement Vitalus cylinders. If comfort is an issue you could get one of the silicone seals from PumpToys which get nothing but rave reviews. Because you can use acrylic cylinders with it those will never wear out from use, so you will only need to buy more cylinders when your cock gets too big. PLUS you get to use it for its intended dry pumping/stamina training/sexual pleasure (according to their site) purposes during the day.

Because you can design your own custom programs with this, it would give an opportunity for community input to make better sessions. Once a decent night session is established (or even one for experimental purposes) it can be posted and shared, somebody can tweak it to make it even better, etc.

Add a reservoir to the line that comes with your pump anyway and you've got an all night [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] on autopilot.

When I say that to myself, it sounds like an awesome idea. What am I missing?
 
I got a response back from Chris. On the issue of pumping all night with it, he said "I would not advise anyone to use the system or any system over night?" That sounds like a reasonable covering my ass statement for something he probably never considered to me. The way the air is refreshed keeping blood flowing in the DP-4000 sounds an awful lot like what the Vitallus system claims to do.

It will work with any cylinder you want to use on it, including my hugeass VHSPOLY from Yinyangchi.

Pumping wet is a go, just have a water trap in the line.

He said free shipping is all he can do for a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] discount, which sadly puts it out of my immediate price range :(
 
There is an approximately 25% decrease in blood pressure by the two hour point of the sleep cycle. So your penis will not be able to withstand that same force as you would while awake. Leading to further constriction of blood flow which is definitely not what anyone wants.

I would try no more than half of a "comfortable" level of force applied while in the normal waking state overnight if you were to experiment with such a thing. Bottom line, there is no way in hell that you will not harm yourself if you attempt to use the same level of force that you do while you are awake overnight. It will just not be possible. (Unless you figure out some way of keeping your blood pressure elevated all night.)


Theoretically, you should have no problem using 70% of the force that you could stand over the same time period at normal blood pressure for the same period of time. First find the level of force that you can maintain for eight straight hours while awake. Then you can theoretically use 70% of that no problem. However, common sense would tell you to start at an even lower level of force than that until you are sure that you make it all the way through the night without damage. It's not anything you are going to figure out in a single try or anything. Everyone is going to be slightly different. But the above should get you thinking on the right track at least.

The Lunatic
 
Moresize;473701 said:
I got a response back from Chris. On the issue of pumping all night with it, he said "I would not advise anyone to use the system or any system over night?" That sounds like a reasonable covering my ass statement for something he probably never considered to me. The way the air is refreshed keeping blood flowing in the DP-4000 sounds an awful lot like what the Vitallus system claims to do.

It will work with any cylinder you want to use on it, including my hugeass VHSPOLY from Yinyangchi.

Pumping wet is a go, just have a water trap in the line.

He said free shipping is all he can do for a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] discount, which sadly puts it out of my immediate price range :(
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are there any flexible pumping cylinders out there that may stay on when you move around during night?
 
Moresize;473701 said:
I got a response back from Chris. On the issue of pumping all night with it, he said "I would not advise anyone to use the system or any system over night?" That sounds like a reasonable covering my ass statement for something he probably never considered to me. The way the air is refreshed keeping blood flowing in the DP-4000 sounds an awful lot like what the Vitallus system claims to do.

It will work with any cylinder you want to use on it, including my hugeass VHSPOLY from Yinyangchi.

Pumping wet is a go, just have a water trap in the line.

He said free shipping is all he can do for a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] discount, which sadly puts it out of my immediate price range :(
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I have the DP-4000 and use it every night. i love it
 
very good post. Is the DP thing loud? I have been thinking about the all night pump but do not want to get a vitallus thing that has a flimsy cylinder I have to replace every month. The DP sounds good because you can custom your settings, cylinders and everything else. So even if you cannot pump all night because of fluid build up, circulation problems blah blah, you can still make an alternative workout plan and ultimately make use of the money invested in the DP thing!
 
I also have a DP-4000. It's a nice device and all but there is a limit to how much you can pump in a session before you get a ridiculous amount of fluid retention. Also I don't really see the benefit to cycling the pressures.

Also beware that if you fill a cylinder (easily done with 1+ hour of pumping) it will force the pressure normalization through the only exposed surface which will be the head. This can quickly form blisters even with no change in pressure. So it's not something I would do without monitoring it.

I still use it, but mostly because I can attach it and not have to dick around too much with a seal and pump to get the right pressure. And also I can kegel and reverse-kegel and it will automatically normalize the pressure spikes.

Coolness aside, the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is a better mousetrap in my opinion.
 
toucHydromaxyjunk;482219 said:
Coolness aside, the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is a better mousetrap in my opinion.
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[words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] Rocks:)
 
toucHydromaxyjunk;482219 said:
I also have a DP-4000. It's a nice device and all but there is a limit to how much you can pump in a session before you get a ridiculous amount of fluid retention. Also I don't really see the benefit to cycling the pressures.

Also beware that if you fill a cylinder (easily done with 1+ hour of pumping) it will force the pressure normalization through the only exposed surface which will be the head. This can quickly form blisters even with no change in pressure. So it's not something I would do without monitoring it.

I still use it, but mostly because I can attach it and not have to dick around too much with a seal and pump to get the right pressure. And also I can kegel and reverse-kegel and it will automatically normalize the pressure spikes.

Coolness aside, the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is a better mousetrap in my opinion.
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maybe the fluid build up and head blisters are eliminated by the compression sleeve? I for one have no idea and absolutely no experience with pumping, I only ask because the all night pump is being sold as just that! Like an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] except the pump is almost the same pressure as you would use for a quick session. If you where to get blisters after 30mins then every single customer would be returning their product and that would make their business useless. I must admit that everything leads me to think they have combated the water retention and blisters issue (must be the compression sleeve). Anyway it is food for thought for the vet pumpers and I am surprised about the lack of enthusiasm, maybe I am missing something?
 
forSmybaby;482343 said:
maybe the fluid build up and head blisters are eliminated by the compression sleeve?
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I blistered twice. I gotta find my device to verify the numbers but I recall somewhere around 7'ish of negative pressure. Both times where when I went long enough to where the shaft contacted the tube sides. At that point, you will feel more pressure at the tip and it can pull blisters. So it's about finding your pressure limit and also being aware that certain circumstances, such as filling the tube will cause a more acute reaction.

Funny thing is that I was watching like a hawk the second time I blistered. Doesn't take long, just a couple of minutes at the wrong pressure. Not that big of a deal, about a week to absorb the water blister.
 
toucHydromaxyjunk;482355 said:
I blistered twice. I gotta find my device to verify the numbers but I recall somewhere around 7'ish of negative pressure. Both times where when I went long enough to where the shaft contacted the tube sides. At that point, you will feel more pressure at the tip and it can pull blisters. So it's about finding your pressure limit and also being aware that certain circumstances, such as filling the tube will cause a more acute reaction.

Funny thing is that I was watching like a hawk the second time I blistered. Doesn't take long, just a couple of minutes at the wrong pressure. Not that big of a deal, about a week to absorb the water blister.
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So is that an agreement? the sleeve + the lower pressure would eliminate blisters? Or would lower pressure also equal no gains!? If you don't mind my asking how long have you been pumping and have you gained?
 
forSmybaby;482495 said:
So is that an agreement? the sleeve + the lower pressure would eliminate blisters? Or would lower pressure also equal no gains!? If you don't mind my asking how long have you been pumping and have you gained?
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Eliminate blisters? I am the wrong person to ask since I just made some small ones this morning LOL.

I am having to search my emails to remember when I got my first air pump. It has been a number of years. In one year at least, I used it daily for at least an hour, and at later times just on occasion. I have the second stage also (penis+balls) which I didn't use as often but still a lot.

No measurable gain in length, but girth and shape is completely changed. I was hoping for length increase also, but it was still worth it to get symmetry and a fuller cylindrical shape.

I'm no Mr Wizard so I am not sure how a compression sleeve would work in vacuum. I suppose if all air between penis and sleeve were gone it could act as more of a tug than expansion.

Anyways though to answer questions regarding gains. I started @ 6.25" BP and got to about 7.5" BP in about three years of jelq. Then I sat at same (or within 0.25") length for about six years of hanging, air pump, manual stretches. Finally gaining length again with these modern [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words], bless them.
 
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toucHydromaxyjunk;482504 said:
Eliminate blisters? I am the wrong person to ask since I just made some small ones this morning LOL.

I am having to search my emails to remember when I got my first air pump. It has been a number of years. In one year at least, I used it daily for at least an hour, and at later times just on occasion. I have the second stage also (penis+balls) which I didn't use as often but still a lot.

No measurable gain in length, but girth and shape is completely changed. I was hoping for length increase also, but it was still worth it to get symmetry and a fuller cylindrical shape.

I'm no Mr Wizard so I am not sure how a compression sleeve would work in vacuum. I suppose if all air between penis and sleeve were gone it could act as more of a tug than expansion.

Anyways though to answer questions regarding gains. I started @ 6.25" BP and got to about 7.5" BP in about three years of jelq. Then I sat at same (or within 0.25") length for about six years of hanging, air pump, manual stretches. Finally gaining length again with these modern [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words], bless them.
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Thanks for your answer TMJ! I am only now discovering the benefits of jelqing and wish I had not ignored them during my 1st Penis Enlargement days..

Another question for yourself and perhaps other pumpers, how strong is a -3hg pump? as in for someone who has never pumped I need an idea of gauging what's up with my pump and here's why: I purchased the all night pump talked about in this thread last week friday and received it yesterday morning (so very quick considering the cylinder and sleeve is custom made and coming from germany to the uk). Anyway it looks very well built and I was initially impressed. It does not work at all though haha! I made sure everything was secure and followed instructions but the electric pump seems to have a super super light suction (almost negligible). I am pretty sure that is the problem and have already e-mailed the company with my query.

Just thought to double check with pumpers on here as to what a -3hg vacuum should feel like. I do not have a gauge so cannot check!
 
forSmybaby;482882 said:
Just thought to double check with pumpers on here as to what a -3hg vacuum should feel like. I do not have a gauge so cannot check!
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-2 is pretty much barely attached. I start there to adjust my sack for a few seconds and then transition to -3 which is pretty minimal. Maybe a minute or two there and bump to -4 and -5, and then back down to -3 to begin the cycle again. You will need to be shaven around the base and/or use a bit of lube along the rim to get a good seal on a tube without an integrated seal.

If you have never pumped I would take it easy and try to figure out a good metric to use consistently. Don't try to build it up all in one setting though it is tempting. What you want is a consistent routine, which will add perhaps one drop of capacity per session.

So how does yours not work. Makes sound but no suction?
 
Thanks TMJ.. Basically yes it makes a sound and barley any suction. However from what you are saying maybe it works but I'm not getting the seal right. It is not adjustable and just stays on -3hg constantly (or that is what it is supposed to do). The thing is I cannot imagine the suction being enough even if I got a perfect seal, as in it just feels like a 'light breeze' inside the tube. If that make sense!?
 
i bought this vitallisplus when it first came out over a year ago i think it was, i didn't last long with it before it gathered dust, i bought it with the intension to wear it while sleeping

i couldn't do it, it was like sleeping with a tent sticking out your body, but worse than that for me was the tube has such a thin lip, it would cause great discomfort to the ball sac

over a period of hours it slowly gave me sac burn, couldn't get any sleep rendering the device useless for me.
 
fonic;483004 said:
i bought this vitallisplus when it first came out over a year ago i think it was, i didn't last long with it before it gathered dust, i bought it with the intension to wear it while sleeping

i couldn't do it, it was like sleeping with a tent sticking out your body, but worse than that for me was the tube has such a thin lip, it would cause great discomfort to the ball sac

over a period of hours it slowly gave me sac burn, couldn't get any sleep rendering the device useless for me.
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Hey fonic I figured that would be the case but am hoping to get a few hours in during the day and then maybe a couple while sleeping or watching a movie right after my evening hanging session. So from what I wrote above does it sound like my pump is faulty or I'm just not getting a good seal?
 
forSmybaby;483005 said:
Hey fonic I figured that would be the case but am hoping to get a few hours in during the day and then maybe a couple while sleeping or watching a movie right after my evening hanging session. So from what I wrote above does it sound like my pump is faulty or I'm just not getting a good seal?
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it will be a very light suction, don't expect more than that, it does give great no fluid expansion but it has to be worn for hours before it reaches that stage, are you sinking in enough hours consecutively to experiences this and lubes the base to give a good seal

once its on it should have great grip and not come off unless you choose so, the only way i found to combat the sac burn was to use it while awake, and constantly readjust and pull the sac back out from tube, but gave up cause i was sacrificing length work

doing this in evening, you need 8 hours a day in that thing.
 
fonic;483006 said:
it will be a very light suction, don't expect more than that, it does give great no fluid expansion but it has to be worn for hours before it reaches that stage, are you sinking in enough hours consecutively to experiences this and lubes the base to give a good seal

once its on it should have great grip and not come off unless you choose so, the only way i found to combat the sac burn was to use it while awake, and constantly readjust and pull the sac back out from tube, but gave up cause i was sacrificing length work

doing this in evening, you need 8 hours a day in that thing.
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It is definitely a light light suction. I used lube but to no avail, I had short pubic hair but last night I shaved it so will try again today and see what happens. It would not stay on even when I pushed the base down for a good 30 seconds then let go it just comes off. That is why I suspect either I'm not getting a seal or the pump does not work!

On another note, thanks for the ball sack tips. Lets hope I have better luck than you did because this was supposed to be my "healing in an extended state" device but by the sounds of it its another uncomfortable Penis Enlargement device (aren't they all!?!)
 
forSmybaby;483007 said:
It is definitely a light light suction. I used lube but to no avail, I had short pubic hair but last night I shaved it so will try again today and see what happens. It would not stay on even when I pushed the base down for a good 30 seconds then let go it just comes off. That is why I suspect either I'm not getting a seal or the pump does not work!

On another note, thanks for the ball sack tips. Lets hope I have better luck than you did because this was supposed to be my "healing in an extended state" device but by the sounds of it its another uncomfortable Penis Enlargement device (aren't they all!?!)
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persevere bro, eliminate all possible problems, your line been blocked anything, failing that get on the blower and get a replacement pronto, if it works correctly you don't even need a hardon entering it

it does it all for you sooks you in, i hope you get it working man nobody likes downtime trying to build a monster cock!
 
fonic;483008 said:
i hope you get it working man nobody likes downtime trying to build a monster cock!
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haha you're feeling my frustration exactly!.. I already emailed them yesterday about the pump but have not heard back yet. I tried again but it definitely does not suck me in! Everything seems sealed and there's no kinks in the tubing so I guess I'll put it to a side and get back to hanging!
 
Problem solved!.. Turns out they had fitted the pressure valve the wrong way round, so the suction was terminating there. I took it out and used without for an hour. Now I have put it back in the right way round. Thanks to Fonic and TMJ for your input guys much appreciated.

So my initial thoughts are pretty impressive. The suction/pump is very mild but it does the job by slowly expanding your dick. Only did an hour to test but I could have gone much longer. I can see what fonic is saying as I did start to feel a tingle on the right side of the seal and suspect that after two hours it could get worse and become too irritating on the ball sack. However the suction is too light so the base does not dig in too hard. After getting out I could see that my dick was nicely fattened, not the post pump look I would imagine other pumpers get but it seems to work in keeping my dick engorged. No signs of any kind of swelling or retention or blisters but I assume I wouldn't have got that from the 1st time using any pump.

I plan to try it again tonight for at least 2hrs and see what happens. Will be sure to report back in this thread incase anyone is interested ;)
 
forSmybaby;483014 said:
Problem solved!.. Turns out they had fitted the pressure valve the wrong way round, so the suction was terminating there. I took it out and used without for an hour. Now I have put it back in the right way round. Thanks to Fonic and TMJ for your input guys much appreciated.

So my initial thoughts are pretty impressive. The suction/pump is very mild but it does the job by slowly expanding your dick. Only did an hour to test but I could have gone much longer. I can see what fonic is saying as I did start to feel a tingle on the right side of the seal and suspect that after two hours it could get worse and become too irritating on the ball sack. However the suction is too light so the base does not dig in too hard. After getting out I could see that my dick was nicely fattened, not the post pump look I would imagine other pumpers get but it seems to work in keeping my dick engorged. No signs of any kind of swelling or retention or blisters but I assume I wouldn't have got that from the 1st time using any pump.

I plan to try it again tonight for at least 2hrs and see what happens. Will be sure to report back in this thread incase anyone is interested ;)
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i love a happy ending lol glad to hear your finally enjoying your new toy fella, keep us updated on how you get on in the coming weeks, one point of note i remember there being an issue on how to clean the the inside of the tube

little droplets form inside tube and its hard to clean i think mold was the concern, i used to follow the penisdicke.de site at the time nobody could come up with an easy solution for cleaning, i'd imagine thats sorted now though.
 
fonic;483111 said:
i love a happy ending lol glad to hear your finally enjoying your new toy fella, keep us updated on how you get on in the coming weeks, one point of note i remember there being an issue on how to clean the the inside of the tube

little droplets form inside tube and its hard to clean i think mold was the concern, i used to follow the penisdicke.de site at the time nobody could come up with an easy solution for cleaning, i'd imagine thats sorted now though.
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Thanks guys and Exactlly Fonic! I pulled the tube off without bothering to release the pressure gauge or disconnect the pump. So some lube got sucked in-between the tube and the sleeve. I spent a considerable amount of time filling the tube with water through the tiny hole so I could get the lube out and the inside cleaned. I gave no thought as to how the hell I could dry it out!

So now there are lots of water droplets inside. I tried hanging the tube over the radiator to get some evaporation going But figured that by the time it dries, the sleeve would have contorted from the heat. Also the hole at the top of the tube is too small and would result in condensation. Thanks for the site reference, will check it out and see what I can find.

Did a 2hr session last night and came out feeling lovely. Hope to make use of this device, will keep you updated either way haha
 
Spent another hour and a half in it last night, this time I got a much better seal and my post pump flaccid hang was huge. It stayed that way all night and most of today. Thanks again fonic for the forum link, they have a thread about it there with 1871 posts so far! some guys are claiming to have gained considerably using nothing else but this pump (who know eh). Anyway they manage to sleep soundly with it when using a super soft silicone cuff thing (the type made for other pumps) as this eliminates any base pain and sack skin 'pinch' as Fonic put it. So since you already have one (and it is quite expensive), you might want to dust it and give it another try!?

On another note, the Germans often call their penis a "tail" haha
 
forSmybaby;483201 said:
Spent another hour and a half in it last night, this time I got a much better seal and my post pump flaccid hang was huge. It stayed that way all night and most of today. Thanks again fonic for the forum link, they have a thread about it there with 1871 posts so far! some guys are claiming to have gained considerably using nothing else but this pump (who know eh). Anyway they manage to sleep soundly with it when using a super soft silicone cuff thing (the type made for other pumps) as this eliminates any base pain and sack skin 'pinch' as Fonic put it. So since you already have one (and it is quite expensive), you might want to dust it and give it another try!?

On another note, the Germans often call their penis a "tail" haha
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yeah no probs its a great thread for anyone that has this device, any chance you can link me or tell me the name of the cuff they are using? i would have thought anything you add to the base would interfere with the inner condom, must be cool though

if i could get that i would give it a go trying to sleep with it again, on a decon break still just now and want to come back hanging for length, is the girth work not interfering with your length part hanging attachment points? i remember when you come out the

vitallusplus your TAIL be so heavy it felt great takes much longer than normal pumping to go back down, imo thats the real way to get pumping gains sinking many hours per night at low vac it makes so much sense.
 
fonic;483227 said:
yeah no probs its a great thread for anyone that has this device, any chance you can link me or tell me the name of the cuff they are using? i would have thought anything you add to the base would interfere with the inner condom, must be cool though

if i could get that i would give it a go trying to sleep with it again, on a decon break still just now and want to come back hanging for length, is the girth work not interfering with your length part hanging attachment points? i remember when you come out the

vitallusplus your TAIL be so heavy it felt great takes much longer than normal pumping to go back down, imo thats the real way to get pumping gains sinking many hours per night at low vac it makes so much sense.
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Here's the link

http://translate.googleusercontent....sr=8-1&usg=ALkJrhh2TzREb_Ii7nAYtf4HHjCKkBIMZw

Let me know if it doesn't work! It is from the German Amazon so I am trying to find one here. Looks like it stretches to fit and because the base is thick and soft it does not dig in as much.

Yes makes a lot of sense to me too. You hear so much about Penis Enlargementrs trying to induce long periods of erections to promote growth (even injecting their CCs and stuff!). They talk about how much a 3hr erection can help growth so imagine having 8hrs of engorged penis every day without any injections or chemicals. With regards to hanging it has been ok. My heavy 'tail' takes ages to go down. But I only manage 2hrs so far and it is before I go to sleep, so by the time I start hanging the next afternoon/evening, it is just about back to normal (or good enough to hang anyway)
 
If you're talking about the clear ones then they look perfect, pretty much the same as the ones I linked you. Might buy one myself, you should give it a shot and let me know
 
forSmybaby;483241 said:
If you're talking about the clear ones then they look perfect, pretty much the same as the ones I linked you. Might buy one myself, you should give it a shot and let me know
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for sure you have really spiked my interest in using this device again, after a miserable year focusing on length only this might just be what the doctor ordered, my concern using the cuffs was it would

interfere with the condom not having a tight seal at the base cause of the added silicone thickness inside the tube.
 
Well if your cuff is like the one recommended, it should be very stretchy yet keep a tight seal around your tail's base. The Germans did report a slight loss in vacuum, but rather than the silicone thickness inside the tube, it was due to the seal between the cylinder and the cuff (if that makes sense? or is that exactly what you meant haha). As in the base of the cylinder seals better with your skin than is does with the silicone. Anyway most of them said it was negligible, so they first put the cuff on their tail then slide the cylinder in place. However a few of the 'perfectionists' took the condom off, glued the cuff to the cylinder then glued the condom back onto the cuff
 
forSmybaby;483245 said:
Well if your cuff is like the one recommended, it should be very stretchy yet keep a tight seal around your tail's base. The Germans did report a slight loss in vacuum, but rather than the silicone thickness inside the tube, it was due to the seal between the cylinder and the cuff (if that makes sense? or is that exactly what you meant haha). As in the base of the cylinder seals better with your skin than is does with the silicone. Anyway most of them said it was negligible, so they first put the cuff on their tail then slide the cylinder in place. However a few of the 'perfectionists' took the condom off, glued the cuff to the cylinder then glued the condom back onto the cuff
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Yes thats clear as mud!!!! nah seriously i get that, ill do some experimentation with this tonight and let you know if it works and if its worth you getting the one i have, hope it does cause it feels like a comfy pillow on your TAILS base hehe
 
i tried it last night for a couple of hours the cuff fits perfect and no loss off suction............but i had the same problems with the burning sensation after an hour and it kept niggling away at

me for the rest of the time i spent in it, i only get the burn in this tube must be related to the length of time your in the vital cause normal pumping your nowhere near using as long a time in one sitting.

great idea if you can put up with the minor niggles, even doing a couple of hours you get a great hang afterwards.
 
What a shame fonic!.. I know what you mean about the flaccid hang, I can just about bare 2hrs and by that time I have to really pull the cylinder off my fat, thick, heavy tail. After which I do a good 200 jelqs. Did the same last night

I also read that some guys where putting silicone seals on the end (the type used to seal your bathroom appliances). So maybe give that a go, although seems like you say it is a question of the time spent rather than anything else. I am not sure to bother getting a cuff anymore or stick with 2hr sessions!
 
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