Ok, guys. I somehow managed to get an irritated vein on the upper side of my dick again (what most call "t-vein" but, strictly spoken, isn't a thrombose as I was once told by a med. doctor A thrombose would be a serious and very painful infection of a deep lying vein which least of all PEers here on board should have experienced). Last time I suffered from this was in my early days of Pe and back then I stopped completely for 3 months.
I know this topic is old and discussed a thousand times but what I want to do here is initiate a lively discussion about your experiences with different techniques of recovery that doesn't go down the typical route insofar as I intend to scrutinize some common places here. These are in this case those of a deep tissue massage and a warm or warm/cold-therapy as well as light jelqing and stretching as advised to overcome the symptoms. But is that really what worked best for all or most of you?
I ask because the medical doc I talked to roughly 2 years ago (and who is a really cool guy) told me - and this seems very plausible to me - that an irritation like this, if anything, does require rest and cooling. Warming an irritation won't counteract it and in fact can even counteract the healing process since warmth additionally fuels an inflammation (this word may accentuate this aspect more explicitly) while coldness does the opposite. On a side-note: he did not advise me to suspend sexual activities, he just said that I shouldn't go bonkers in bed with extreme stuff
. Guess he thought of cock rings and viagra and stuff like this.
I didn't ask him about massaging back then but I would guess that it's also counter-indicated because external mechanical stimulation irritates further. For the same reason I'd think that any exercising would do the same unless it's done very, very lightly and only for a few minutes. I don't rely on theory only here but also on my personal experience: when I had sex more than once (and especially the second time when it takes longer to orgasm) or jelqed the vein started to hurt slightly. It wasn't that bad but it seemed to indicate that further work on the irritated tissue wouldn't have done any good.
I anticipate some of the objections that will be made against this proposition and the most important might be that it's necessary to keep the blood flowing. And while I believe this to be true the method of increasing blood circulation is important here. An irritation means usually a swelling, a tumescence of that very area (in this case the vein). I guess this causes a jamming of the blood flow in that spec. vein and thus a hardening of it. So mechanical stimulation as in jelqing or massaging might not be the way to go since it deteriorates such a swelling. Leech oil is just one alternative I can think of here (there are for sure other topical vasodilatators that you could throw into the discussion?).
Another objection might be that several pe practitioners have successfully applied these methods in a field which is socially taboo and therefore not studied by prof. medicine, delivering the emp. evidence which we're searching for. While it's true that we lack valid data for our problems in PE, gathered under methodological sound preconditions, and have to stick to our own researches there are still several medical (and other) theories that hold true in diverse situations in our sport (as for example those about irritations and warmth etc.) and can easily be transferred into our field. And are these theories really falsified by personal experiences which in most cases lack the necessary boundary conditions of a valid, objective and reliable inquiry and evaluation?
That said, I'm really interested especially in experiences of those of you who experimented with different set ups because this will increase the quality of the data since it allows for comparison. Do you, for instance, tried to refrain totally from training once and another time did massaging and warmth therapy? But generally everybody, of course, is invited to chime in.
I'm looking towards to many comments, guys.
I know this topic is old and discussed a thousand times but what I want to do here is initiate a lively discussion about your experiences with different techniques of recovery that doesn't go down the typical route insofar as I intend to scrutinize some common places here. These are in this case those of a deep tissue massage and a warm or warm/cold-therapy as well as light jelqing and stretching as advised to overcome the symptoms. But is that really what worked best for all or most of you?
I ask because the medical doc I talked to roughly 2 years ago (and who is a really cool guy) told me - and this seems very plausible to me - that an irritation like this, if anything, does require rest and cooling. Warming an irritation won't counteract it and in fact can even counteract the healing process since warmth additionally fuels an inflammation (this word may accentuate this aspect more explicitly) while coldness does the opposite. On a side-note: he did not advise me to suspend sexual activities, he just said that I shouldn't go bonkers in bed with extreme stuff
. Guess he thought of cock rings and viagra and stuff like this.I didn't ask him about massaging back then but I would guess that it's also counter-indicated because external mechanical stimulation irritates further. For the same reason I'd think that any exercising would do the same unless it's done very, very lightly and only for a few minutes. I don't rely on theory only here but also on my personal experience: when I had sex more than once (and especially the second time when it takes longer to orgasm) or jelqed the vein started to hurt slightly. It wasn't that bad but it seemed to indicate that further work on the irritated tissue wouldn't have done any good.
I anticipate some of the objections that will be made against this proposition and the most important might be that it's necessary to keep the blood flowing. And while I believe this to be true the method of increasing blood circulation is important here. An irritation means usually a swelling, a tumescence of that very area (in this case the vein). I guess this causes a jamming of the blood flow in that spec. vein and thus a hardening of it. So mechanical stimulation as in jelqing or massaging might not be the way to go since it deteriorates such a swelling. Leech oil is just one alternative I can think of here (there are for sure other topical vasodilatators that you could throw into the discussion?).
Another objection might be that several pe practitioners have successfully applied these methods in a field which is socially taboo and therefore not studied by prof. medicine, delivering the emp. evidence which we're searching for. While it's true that we lack valid data for our problems in PE, gathered under methodological sound preconditions, and have to stick to our own researches there are still several medical (and other) theories that hold true in diverse situations in our sport (as for example those about irritations and warmth etc.) and can easily be transferred into our field. And are these theories really falsified by personal experiences which in most cases lack the necessary boundary conditions of a valid, objective and reliable inquiry and evaluation?
That said, I'm really interested especially in experiences of those of you who experimented with different set ups because this will increase the quality of the data since it allows for comparison. Do you, for instance, tried to refrain totally from training once and another time did massaging and warmth therapy? But generally everybody, of course, is invited to chime in.
I'm looking towards to many comments, guys.
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