Infecting the minds of the uneducated

Penis Enlargement suffers a great deal due to the negative press it gets outside of the underground, natural Penis Enlargement circles (ie: MoS Forums, Penis Enlargement Forums, �other forum�, etc.) Many men will never find this incredible blessing because of the dishonest pill, cream, patch and potion companies that pedal unattainable dreams and unfounded claims. I am in no way saying that these methods of Penis Enlargement do not work but I am saying that without natural exercise measurable gains will probably not happen. Due to the misrepresentation of these supplemental forms of Penis Enlargement many men quickly become discouraged and throw the baby out with the bath water. This has a detrimental, trickle down effect to the reputable forms of Penis Enlargement and much of the population see all forms of Penis Enlargement as a scam. This is a very real and very sad fact I struggle with everyday.

When this notion becomes part of the underground movement it becomes a serious problem to our efforts, collectively, to spreading the true awareness. If newbies come to these forums and see the general mood as being negative in belief they will forge ill, unfounded thoughts in their infancy and most likely give up before even starting. It is our responsibility, as a forum, to boast the real value of natural Penis Enlargement. That it does work, that we have made massive gains, that it is not a scam and that new men are making history each and everyday with the help of the veterans of this art.

When I see posts like the one below I angers me. Thundersplace has become such a negative influence on Penis Enlargement in their quest to debunk MoS and DLD that it is having a detrimental, trickle down effect to on the new minds of Penis Enlargement. I hope this thread makes it to the eyes of the new minds hoping to change their lives through penis enlargement. I have quoted a user's post from Thundersplace and since I can't answer it their I will reply to it here. This is the post (picture below)

BalaBala of Thundersplace said:

1.DLD pic's are obviously fake

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This general consensus it largely created by a handful of bitter members from �other forum�. This happened because of my choice to leave Thundersplace and start my own venture. Attacking my pictures, video, etc has become an easy target for Thundersplace as they can hide these threads deep in their private forums where they can share jealous lies among each other and deal with their jealousy through agenda specific threads, twisted and edited to fit their catalogue of attack.

I say, once again LOUD and CLEAR for all to hear, my pictures and video are very real. I do not fake pictures to make myself appear larger than I am. I did not start out with the size I have. I started with 6.5 inches in length and brought myself beyond 10" through hard work and dedication. I started with 4.75" of girth and I have brought myself beyond 6.5" through tenacious consistency to my life's passion, Penis Enlargement.

BalaBala of Thundersplace said:

2.This is not scientific proven

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Science is indeed available if this is what you seek. I recently posted this excerpt from the British Journal of Sexual Medicine

The most academic research of the effectiveness of jelqing was made in the late seventies by a Dr Brian Richards in the UK. The research was published by the British Journal of Sexual Medicine. 87 percent of the test group reflected size increases in their study. Dr Brian Richards' results showed an increase in penis length of up to 1.5 inches and an increase in penis girth of up to 1 inch.

Even though this work was scientifically published you can find thousands of personal accounts showing similar results on the web. The MOS Forums, Penis Enlargementforum, �other forum� and other forums like these have 1000's of personal journals online outlining individual users programs showing their progress, pictures and stories of real Penis Enlargement success.

BalaBala of Thundersplace said:

3.It can cause damage to people

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So can electricity injure! Progress in any setting has always been punctuated with Risk and Reward. Taking precautions and following the advice of your experienced counterparts will help you steer clear of personal injury but one needs to realize that with any reward comes risk. If you are willing to take these risks you stand a good chance of reaping the incredible rewards Penis Enlargement has to offer.

BalaBala of Thundersplace said:

4.It can cause you too need viagra.

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In most cases VIAGRA is individually, elective, if fact, most men report harder erection than they ever had after starting Penis Enlargement. Another important fact about impotence is that it is largely psychological and true physical cases of impotence are extremely rare.

BalaBala of Thundersplace said:

Most of ALL ITS FAKE

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This statement is a testament to the way young minds have become infected by the negative influence of a few evil players. It is a localized infection that is spreading among the virgin minds that go to �other forum� for help. False, negative, and dishonest group mentality is historically seen with many cult organization where the opinion of the leaders is accepted by the flock only to destroy any personal dreams they may have had. Individuality is as important to the group as the group in to the individual. Allowing free thought and expression of ideas is why MoS flourishes.

Please help by sharing awareness through words not tainted by envy but words etched in unselfish truth.

We must remember though DLD that Penis Enlargement doesn't work for everyone, so some people will pass it off as fake. It didn't work for me but I do in a way beleive it is real else, all of the members on this site would say it doesn't work.

It obviously works, as I have gained quite a bit of length and girth. I think it works for everyone, though I'm sure it is likely to be more difficult for some to achieve large gains. Our bodies are all different. Penis Enlargement allowed me to jump about 2 inches in length pretty easily, but my metabolism keeps me from being skinny. Someone else may have the body of an Adonis, but a very stubborn penis when it comes to gains. The bottom line is, if you want it and you are willing to put in the time and effort, it will happen for you!

Penis Enlargement is a very real thing for most every man who puts in any amount of effort. However, big gains in the league of 2"+ in either length or girth may not be possible for everyone. I don't know whether or not this BalaBala character has ever given Penis Enlargementing a legitimate try, or if he's simply ranting on without having any first hand experience. If he has tried and met with failure, it may explain his attitude.

Bottom line is there are several factors that come into play once you've gotten your newbie gains and your growth has decelerated. One of them being your penis' ability to withstand more and more hours of manhandling without losing erection quality. I think this may be a large reason why gains crawl to a stop for some men after a while: their dicks simply can't cope with the added training volume, and start to suffer from weak bloodflow, making any further progress impossible, at least in girth. This happens to me EVERY SINGLE TIME when I try and add more minutes or hours to my workout sessions, and also if I try and do length and girth during the same day (not to mention during the same workout! ). Of course this could be countered with viagara or something similar, but I can't afford it with my tight budjet, nor would I want to spend the next god knows how many years taking the stuff every day. I don't want the normal functioning of my dick to depend on drugs or supplements, so I never push the envelope further if I feel my growth has stagnated. I prefer taking a complete break from Penis Enlargementing at such a point, or at the very least alternate between length and girthwork to let the other area decondition.
This only pertains to my girthwork, but I also have a problem with my ligs "tightening up" after a set period of Penis Enlargementing. The difference in workout quality is tangible when coming back from a break; the dick really feels like it's getting stretched and worked out. The feeling only lasts for a week or two of exercising, after which it is replaced by a sensation of extreme rigidness and tightness in the ligs, making all stretching seem like a futile attempt. I can literally feel the ligs fighting back with such force that I could probably climb up a tree, tie my penis to a branch with a rope and jump down without getting anywhere.

It's all relative. As Kong said, some guys have a very stubborn penis, and if they do the recommended amount of exercises that are suggested for a beginner, they may not gain at all (this is what it was like for me when I first started in the early spring of 2003), leading them to believe Penis Enlargementing is a scam.

If that is your argument, I think that you need new evidence.

That BalaBala or whoever was a troll and was banned after just 2 posts.

It is not fair to generalise the opinion and motives of an entire forum based on a member who had posted just twice and been subsequently banned.

Nice try.

TheExecutioner said:

We must remember though DLD that Penis Enlargement doesn't work for everyone, so some people will pass it off as fake. It didn't work for me but I do in a way beleive it is real else, all of the members on this site would say it doesn't work.

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What you have described here, Executioner, is faith, and faith will be the reason you will gain.

penflex said:

If that is your argument, I think that you need new evidence.

That BalaBala or whoever was a troll and was banned after just 2 posts.

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This post by Bala is only an example, there are many just like it by long standing members of the board. I know there are many good members on the other board, my argument is with the few, very few, bad apples.

penflex said:

It is not fair to generalise the opinion and motives of an entire forum based on a member who had posted just twice and been subsequently banned.

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I clearly stated: "This general consensus it largely created by a handful of bitter members from �other forum�."

Nice try.

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I was not trying anything, I was simply responding to a thread that had my name and accusations. At MoS, I have the right to respond to anything I choose.

Seriously one day DLD will break into ����, which is slightly more legit than Penis Enlargement, and people will know.

Or he will reach 13.6" NBP, and become very popular, then MoS will hit the scene for sure.

Either way if DLD keeps his head up and keeps moving in a few years, if he keeps taking tons of pics with measurements, video measures etc, will be able to bring Penis Enlargement into the light.

I actually like how few know about it personally... So my dick stands out

I just want to say this, look at everything that DLD has done for us, he has spent so long building up this website and spent countless amounts of his own money to keep it going and improving it and not to mention all of his friends and the moderators here at MOS that help DLD and each other. I love this place so much that i cant wait until i finish work and come home so i can go on my computer and look up this wonderful site and also the first thing in the morning that i do after i make my cup of coffee is look up this wonderful site. Penis Enlargement works 100% full stop and to the people that have negative things to say about Penis Enlargement about DLD and about MOS are missing out on the best Penis Enlargement site in the world and the best opportunity of their lives. I love DLD and the moderators and all the veterans here at MOS because you are the people that helped me changed my life, Thank you so much. To all newbies that join MOS stay strong and educate yourself, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

DLD, MODERATORS and VETERANS raise:

Hey DLD, I have to agree with you on your rant. I have personally been around the Penis Enlargement underground for about 5 years now and I have watched the lack of progress among the many Penis Enlargement sites and forums. There are so many close minded people in the Penis Enlargement underworld that are infecting others (collective consciousness), it truly pisses me off. The physiology of Penis Enlargement will work for everyone, but it's a lack of faith and belief, a lack of vision that is limiting alot of people with the attainment of their desire. I was totally impressed with seeing that you have set of portion of these forums just for the mental and creative visualizing aspect of Penis Enlargement. The mind does truly play a huge role in our life, for everything begins with a thought or desire, and our desire must have a positive enviroment in which to grow and develop.

Yea I think people give it up too easily. I know myself I started Penis Enlargement a little over a year ago. Off and on doing different things. Some things worked a little and others didnt. I finally sat down and decided to get consistant and intense with my work outs. Not even super intense just good solid work outs. After that you expect to see gains show up in like a week or so. Things moved slowly, but there was so many times I just wanted to be like fuck it.. Im never going to gain nearly as much as I want I was destined to have a small dick Im just gonna live with it. Luckily the positive attitude and PROOF that MOS provides gave me enough reason to keep on doing it. I thought if other people like me are doing it theres no damned reaosn why I cant. So I kept on doing it and just recently seemed to have solidified a .5 inch girth gain. I look back at the work i put in. I say I started the routine being solid and consistant about 3 months ago building up into it. Shit thats hardly any time at all. Now I'm having a blast with Penis Enlargement. Oh did I mention I gained about 3/4 of an inch in length within that span too. I put about 10 months of half ass effort and then 2-3 months of good effort, and gained what would cost prob about 3000 dollars if i was going to get surgery. As far as the above mentioned things that BalaBala said. I can debunk them all fairly quickly

1. DLD has videos of his big dick. DLD doens't have a milliondollar production and editing studio that he can alter something like that frame by frame and come out having it look so realistic. Therefore the dick must be real

2. There's tons of things that arn't scientifically proven. There's a lot and I mean A LOT of supplements arn't on the market that arn't scientifically proven, but a lot of them work. How do you know? When many people use the product and come out with positive results that's good enough science to determine something works. Sure it may not work up to the claims, but to some degree it works. Most people that Penis Enlargement even if they dont claim to have that much on gains, they always say something like... But it cured my preejac problem, or but my erections are stronger than ever. I used to be skeptical about Penis Enlargement too until i found a msg board full of people not trying to sell me anything saying it worked.

3. Sure it can casue damange if people are dumb and abuse it. Alcohol, steroids, weed everything is damaging when abuse. If you push yourself too hard lifting youll be damanged as well, which brings me to another point. If you think about it. People were made to reproduce. The penis in my opinion is one of the toughest parts in the human body, because of this reason. It kind of boils down to survival aspect. If your penis was easy to damage then you wouldnt reproduce thus your blood line not surviving. When you look at the design of a penis, people will be like oh you cant make it bigger its not like a normal muscle. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. If your dick was made out of the same fibers that your biceps were made of. You'd see a lot of people getting torn dicks from having sex. Cock rings would be shredding dicks in half. The penis fibers can wistand tons and tons of punisHydromaxent. This is one reason I think that it's harder to build than muscle. It takes a hell of a lot to break it down. Ive done some hardcore shit to my penis. Balooning it till it was about to pop twisting it like a prezel, and not once did I recieve any injuries or pain that would resemble a "damaged" penis. Does it happen yes sure it does but thats with anything.

4. Most peoples erections are better than ever.

So to newbie or anyone period that actually sat and read this first thanks for reading it all, but secondly. Dont be discouraged by negative media or posts about Penis Enlargement. It works, it's proven that it works, know it works, and good luck.

to anyone that does not atleast grace these forums, let there ignorance hinder them.
It works, like anything you just have to work at it, like you said dld, a cream or a pill is not working at it.

I dont know how many times I've said this over the last...what....shit...DLD, whens the first time we met online??? Probably 5 years ago. I started Penis Enlargement because I just happened to stumble upon the concept online after watching the movie "Boogie Nights" and the idea of "Hydromaxm, I wonder if I could make my dick bigger" came into my mind...not out of insecurity issues...but merely out of curiosity. I'm still around years later, and I have seen my penis grow.

The naysayers will always be around. It's not just with Penis Enlargement though. THere will always be people who will say things like "you have to go to college to get a degree and get a good job and work for a big company to make real money....". When in reallity some of the most successful, and wealthy individuals in America are the risk takers who only have a high school diploma....who decided to go out and do their own thing in life.

Penis Enlargement is similar in the fact that it makes you think outside of the box. There are hundreds of people who undergo surgery every year in China for example, where the bones of the thighs are cut and then there are basically telescoping stretching devices applied to the legs, drilled into the thigh bones....the patients turn dials out on these devices a little every day...and over the course of several months they grow several inches taller.

I've used this example several times in the past as to a very simple demonstration as to why the penis....which is sooooo much thinner in diameter than the average thigh....and has NO bone, or skeletal muscle....can surely be made much longer/thicker over time if a THIGH can be.

Those who truly want permanently bigger penises will always find a way to make it happen.

doublelongdaddy said:

I was not trying anything, I was simply responding to a thread that had my name and accusations. At MoS, I have the right to respond to anything I choose.

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Fair enough

mmmmm, whats wrong with this pic

dGawd said:

mmmmm, whats wrong with this pic

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You tell us?

Humm.. Sure it works, I've got the growth to prove it to myself, and my wife. If the rest of the world doesn't want to grow then I'll be just that much bigger than them.

lol DLD, i can see that you fight and will continue to fight up the river of water. But you see me? Because of the fact that i was opened minded and not fuckin lazy to try a routine out a certain amount of times a week for X amount of months...i found out something. All those guys that dont believe or dont wanna try it you have your fun..you just make me/us look that much bigger. :D So the lesson of the day is "If you dont want a taste of my chocolate bar after i offer you, you can go fk yourself ill eat it to myself "

I've used this example several times in the past as to a very simple demonstration as to why the penis....which is sooooo much thinner in diameter than the average thigh....and has NO bone, or skeletal muscle....can surely be made much longer/thicker over time if a THIGH can be.

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That is to penis surgery as "weight kicking" is to NPenis Enlargement.

I know a few viet friends who told of this site made by some asian (prolly viet people), for obvious reasons, where they sit on edge of bed with weights tied to ankles and they do these little kicks like 1000s a day and it stretches the shin area including the BONE, or so the study said.

They werent selling shit, had no adverts on page and it was a bunch of college students testing it so Im sure it is legit, no reason for them to lie. Anyhow Im 6' 2" so I was like ok thats nice and moved on lol, but did check it out for fun. Guess it worked.