increasing penis size whilst in puberty/ chemical p.e.?

jordey · Feb 25, 2013

i was reading this thread earlier: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...ut-how-Penis Enlargement-works-scientifically
-theres a little paragraph that talks about when you hit age 20-23 youre pretty much done growing naturally so guys can't stimulate themselves to grow. this got me thinking and reminded me of when i was looking into penis enlargement through maximising the conditions during puberty (and remember reading info on 'the penis bible' which seemed like a good idea, but a scam nevertheless). i'm 19, so i reckon i have the potential to grow more chemically even if it doesn happen, as in receptors or whatever are still open. could it be possible to increase penis size by enhancing the conditions during puberty? i would of thought maximizing the hormones and growth factors involved would help but interested to hear anyone else's opinion. i was also reminded by the fact i've been looking into growing taller and how the bone grows during puberty, and that taking an AI will slow plate closer and allow growth to continue, not sure if a similar thing can happen for penis growth.

88man · Feb 27, 2013

There are a few things you could posdibly try. I will write another post explainingbin full detail when I get around my computer.

makemebig · Feb 27, 2013

I would do a little research into what you can do to maximize your testosterone production and HGH stimulation. These harmones are primarily responsible for penile growth during puberty. I do not believe they will increase penile growth by introducing excess quantities, but if you lack sufficient quantities of these harmones you could stunt your potential growth. Accordingly, you may want to insure you are not short changed. I know zinc consumption is important during puberty. I believe there may be other supplements that help maintain proper harmone levels.

jordey · Feb 28, 2013

88man;534863 said:
There are a few things you could posdibly try. I will write another post explainingbin full detail when I get around my computer.

okay, thanks

jordey · Feb 28, 2013

makemebig;534902 said:
I would do a little research into what you can do to maximize your testosterone production and HGH stimulation. These harmones are primarily responsible for penile growth during puberty. I do not believe they will increase penile growth by introducing excess quantities, but if you lack sufficient quantities of these harmones you could stunt your potential growth. Accordingly, you may want to insure you are not short changed. I know zinc consumption is important during puberty. I believe there may be other supplements that help maintain proper harmone levels.

yeah i would go down the route of maximising my growth factors, but most ways are either very expensive or provide very insugnificent changes in hormone levels. i know dht is a big factor in penis development and size during puberty, but would be afraid of pinning my dick with it for fear of it reaching my scalp and possibly causing hair issues, so was just seeing if anyone has ideas on what i could do to lengthen or enhance the penis growth during puberty

tparker84 · Feb 28, 2013

Me personal Chem pe would be my last resort even then I may not do it I would first use all my resources that I have now and make gains on that till I can't anymore then would consider alternatives if i wanted more growth

jordey · Feb 28, 2013

tparker84;535080 said:
Me personal Chem pe would be my last resort even then I may not do it I would first use all my resources that I have now and make gains on that till I can't anymore then would consider alternatives if i wanted more growth

its not really chem p.e. how most of you would do it, as the aim for most chem p.e. is increased engorgement and prolonged erections to help gains. (dont think ive heard of anyone injecting hgh and it makeing their dick 'grow'). so the aim is plastic deformation like kingsnake outlined, not new cell growth like what happens in puberty.

acer33 · Mar 1, 2013

I read a thing by a guy called Dr Pezzi, i bought one of his e books.

theres some info on a thread about it here on MOS

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...hormones-you-need-to-know&p=327719#post327719

I personally have not tried any of this and dont know much about it, heres a couple of quotes from the thread

I found an eBook a while back by a doctor Kevin Pezzi MD. He claims to have increased the size of his penis over the course of three weeks using a combination of DHT and Yohimbe. Supposedly the DHT encouraged the cell reproduction/penile growth while the Yohimbe had the effect of giving him really hard erections and all-day-semi erections. High internal pressure + cellular reproduction = growth in size.

The thing is that the guy has a bit of a reputation as a quack. In his book which I bought he says he increased his dick size by 'at least 50% erect volume.' The thing is I don't think he knows much about Penis Enlargement or how to measure a penis. For a doctor his summation of his self-guinea pig study was weak to say the least. He gave no start length or circumference, and no end length or circumference. He says he stopped using DHT because it increased his rate of hair loss. Now, I find this part annoying because he doesn't say in his book how he administered the DHT to himself. I'm left to wonder if he was injecting (which seems stupid if it breaks down in the blood stream) or using topical gel on the penis. I would imagine that the topical gel would have a tough time reaching the scalp, unless DHT travels in the lymph. Otherwise I would think that topical gel would have an extremely local effect.

To give him the benefit of the doubt, I only got The Science of Sex eBook. He has another called Advanced Enlargement which I haven't bought because it's $50 USD for an EBOOK. I'm still considering buying it since I can actually afford it now. Still, $50... wtf.

Here's his homepage: Sexual Tips by Kevin Pezzi, MD

And the books: Dr. Pezzi's Order Page

I tried some Yohimbe with minimal effect. I wonder if the combination with DHT would make it work better. Some men should avoid yohimbe like the plague, it can produce side effects like high blood pressure and racing heart rate.

I've been considering getting some Andractim for a long time, though earlier when I found the study I was unemployed and couldn't afford it. If anyone here knows a legit supplier of Andractim I'd like to hear it.

The thing is that would rather figure out what the DHT precursors are, and find some foods or supplements so my body can produce it's own DHT. Found anything to this extent HairHormone?

So I bought Pezzi's Advanced Enlargement book. He's painfully long winded and roundabout in his discussion, the guy can't just out and SAY it. I'll attempt to summarize a few of his findings.

DHT is useful only to the extent that your receptors are sensitive/present. Adding more DHT to a grown man's insensitive receptors is like pouring more water into a full sink. The water will still drain at the same rate, you'll just spill a bunch over the edge.

A way to resensitize DHT receptors: Propecia and Rogaine contain finasteride, which supresses DHT. A DHT drought in the body can create more sensitive receptors. So taking Propecia for 6 months and then going off it will create a period of time where your body is more sensitive to DHT. During this post-DHT drought period is when you are supposed to start using DHT gel, when your receptors are hyper sensitized. I sure as hell don't need or want to go on Propecia, DHT gel is about $200 a squeeze tube. Maybe if I'm balding and well financed I'll try this method.

He also talks about heat, and how tissue responds more amicably to tension when heated. He cites a discussion with one of his readers who as a routine heated his penis for a full 1/2 hour, then did basic stretches. This guy reported a 12mm gain in both length and girth(!), but stopped gaining after about 2 weeks. Noobie gains, but this makes me wonder about warm-ups. The usual warm up is about 5-10 minutes.While it has been largely dismissed by the Penis Enlargement community as an injury prevention tactic, it may be worth looking at it as an actual gaining tool. I think I'll try an extra-long warm up routine. while if this info is applicable to my physiology it may break me from my 6 month plateau.

And HairHormone, I did read your post. Sorry if I didn't read it thoroughly enough for you. Also use the "Remember Me" checkbox when you login and you won't be logged out when you make long posts

jordey · Mar 1, 2013

acer33;535326 said:
I read a thing by a guy called Dr Pezzi, i bought one of his e books.

theres some info on a thread about it here on MOS

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...hormones-you-need-to-know&p=327719#post327719

I personally have not tried any of this and dont know much about it, heres a couple of quotes from the thread

thanks! it was a good read. from what i understand reading it, estrogen causes the penis to stop growing much like epiphyseal plate closure. i will taking an AI soon (letro or anastrozole, still not sure which) so this should take care of excess estrogen. now i just need a safe and legitimate way of increasing igf1 and dht locally in my penis!

acer33 · Mar 2, 2013

No problem. :cool:

BTW I had bought his science of sex e-book and received it as advertised.

I then paid for advanced enlargement e-book and never got the email to get the download, though my card was billed.

So I did a search to see if I could find whats in the book online, and thats how I discovered MOS, that page came up in the search!

jordey · Mar 4, 2013

acer33;535512 said:
No problem. :cool:

BTW I had bought his science of sex e-book and received it as advertised.

I then paid for advanced enlargement e-book and never got the email to get the download, though my card was billed.

So I did a search to see if I could find whats in the book online, and thats how I discovered MOS, that page came up in the search!

yeah i think i read something similar a little while back but couldnt find it!

as for what im actually gonna do, im still not very sure. i've ordered some letro (which i wanted to use anyway) so will be running that soon, this will hopefully allow my dick to grow for a longer period of time. now i need to figure out a way of accelerating my natural growth.
@88man you got any ideas?

jordey · Mar 5, 2013

jordey;536463 said:
yeah i think i read something similar a little while back but couldnt find it!

as for what im actually gonna do, im still not very sure. i've ordered some letro (which i wanted to use anyway) so will be running that soon, this will hopefully allow my dick to grow for a longer period of time. now i need to figure out a way of accelerating my natural growth.
@88man you got any ideas?

okay so i'm using what i know about bone growth to apply it to penis growth as reading that article it's apparent that they're both affected (growth stops) from estrogen rising and causing growth to stop. this is now turning into more of both enhancing pubertys growth on the penis and in height as i feel they will work together.

so now i've got letro and will be starting it tonight. my only fear with letro is that i will get estrogen rebound when i come off of it, but im hoping that since im running a low dose (less then half the recommended at all times) and will be tapering on and off this will be prevented.
im starting off with a very low dose of .25mg and will be doing this eod for a week. then, i will raise it to .375 for a week, then .500 for 3 weeks, then taper down but slower. unless im wrong, the way i understand estrogen's role in bone growth is that small fluctuations from time to time signal growth, whilst slightly elevated estrogen for a significant period of time result in plate closure. so by me using letro in this way, i should have a low estrogen base level (allowing for more growth), then a small fluctuation once i've finally tapered off of it which should allow a small growth spurt aswell. im not sure on my sources on this info so if anyone knows better than me or ive got something wrong please tell me. this is all theory really aswell so not sure if it will have an effect or not. im assuming penis growth works in a similar way so hopefully these will all work together.
i would also like to increase pge-1 levels in my whole body during my time using letro, especially in my penis. however i wouldnt really want to inject it so welcome any other suggestions. having low estrogen should also increase testosterone so im hoping this will have some beneficial effects.
any comments and/ or suggestions are welcomed!

jordey · Mar 9, 2013

ive just taken my third dose of letro. i took 0.25mg the first day, 0.25mg third day, and 0.375mg today. i dont want to go above 1 mg.
im not sure how long the letro takes to start working though, currently ive felt no change in anything, joints feel the same, libido is pretty much the same, erections the same etc.. ill see if it starts affecting me in a weeks time. im also trying to find ways to up pge1 levels in the whole body but especially in the penis

jordey · Mar 11, 2013

i'm not sure how much interest there is in this thread but there are alot of views so im going to keep updating. to clarify, im both trying to increase penis size and height. i hope to achieve this through an AI to reduce estrogen and allow bone growth to continue. this should also allow my penis to continue growing but it will probably need more than that. i also want to safely increase pge1 levels but still working on how i can do that.
im doing everything properly and keeping at a very safe dose of letro.

its been a week since i started letro (now on .375mg eod), and today im feeling what feels like 'growing pains'. this may be a coincidence and im not even sure of the link between growing pains and actual bone growth, but im taking it as a good sign.

i have a slight increase in skin oil (blocked pores on chest which is usually clear), everything else seems normal. i think my test levels may be higher but without bloodwork can't prove this.

88man · Mar 12, 2013

I'm too late, as I can see you're already using an AI. I highly recommend that using a steroidal AI not be an option as it will be (and is) counterproductive to your goals. It will be of a short lived success, but as you are still growing and your growth plates are not closed, when you come off of the AI cycle you will have provided a means for your HPTA to regain control. As you have starved your receptors from any estrogen binding your system has increased the amount of aromatase to above normal concentrations; when you stop the AI your HPTA will shift focus on production of estrogens. Since you have a great deal of aromatase enzyme this will further reduce testosterone levels for a period. To sum everything up, you have created a great deal of potential to close your growth plates early by way of a significant rise in estrogen levels.

If you are still going through with this AI idea, grab a SERM (doesn't matter which variant) when you want to come off and I will try to advise you on how to adjust your doses down so that you may normalize.

In the event that you decide against using this AI, I can make natural suggestions to aid your HPTA's optimal function.

jordey · Mar 13, 2013

88man;538133 said:
I'm too late, as I can see you're already using an AI. I highly recommend that using a steroidal AI not be an option as it will be (and is) counterproductive to your goals. It will be of a short lived success, but as you are still growing and your growth plates are not closed, when you come off of the AI cycle you will have provided a means for your HPTA to regain control. As you have starved your receptors from any estrogen binding your system has increased the amount of aromatase to above normal concentrations; when you stop the AI your HPTA will shift focus on production of estrogens. Since you have a great deal of aromatase enzyme this will further reduce testosterone levels for a period. To sum everything up, you have created a great deal of potential to close your growth plates early by way of a significant rise in estrogen levels.

If you are still going through with this AI idea, grab a SERM (doesn't matter which variant) when you want to come off and I will try to advise you on how to adjust your doses down so that you may normalize.

In the event that you decide against using this AI, I can make natural suggestions to aid your HPTA's optimal function.

well im only on my second week and 4th dose (eod), so im not far into it. im also not taking a high dose of letro, im taking a steady low dose which wont shut down estrogen production just keep it low. i tapered the dose to start off with, and i will also be slowly if i had completely shut down my estrogen i would be getting alot of side effects, but tbh ive only had very mild knee pain (which didnt prevent me from doing squats and deads) and a little more tired, thats it, no massive joint pain, no aches, libido still high. if i should be going down a different route i welcome any advice. theres not many people who know much about the subject, and although im pretty sure my theory is right, actually doing it gets a bit trickier!
is there a better way i should be reducing estrogen? and do you know of ways to increase pge1?

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