Hose Clamps an Alternitive to Cable Clamps!

I think the guys who do claim gains from pumping who are not just excited over some fluid build up, are likely newbies to PE in general. I haven't seen vets report new gains from pumping, or seen what I would consider big gains 1" or more from pumping. Same thing with extenders. Studies prove extenders work, but how many men in these studies were seasoned PE guys? I'm not saying pumps don't give gains, but beyond newbie gains? I'm saying I have not read of convincing long term results. I have read of men who pumped for years, but again they don't report continued gains over time. The men I have talked to would not admit one way or another if they gained past newbie gains. They seem to either enjoy pumping as a hobby, or they seem to be holding onto size.

When I say different mechanics, I am referring to how blood flows with the clamp vs a hand and like you mention replacing muscle groups prone to fatigue in favor of a more efficient, fixed device. A clamp allows one to focus more easily on forcing more blood in through kegels and using exercises like a clamped Squash Jelq or Wall Press.

I see your point SWM, but I still have to say that:

1- There are a lot of people that have been into PE for quite some time that see really good gains from pumping. Even if it is not pumping alone- an expansion of 0.5-1 inches is amazing, especially when combined with a cock ring (or some clamp for ADC). I do agree that clamping is a great method, but I do not agree that pumping is not.

2- There are SO many threads around where members (that have been into PE for years) report gains of 0.5-1 inches in a matter of months using an extender. I do agree that from extending ONLY there would be some gains, but nothing SO significant. But I would not call extending and pumping methods that work only for the newbies. Again- I see your point and I agree- clamping and hanging are by far the most intense/best exercises when it comes to girth/length, but that does not mean less intense methods do not works good as well. There are lots of combinations liek constricted pumping, active healing after an intense hanging session etc.

3- Other than the fact that your hand gets tired after a few minutes- I see no difference between clamping and hand constriction. I am NOT trying to oppose you- I am just telling you that I do not see where you state a difference other than that one. Edging, SSJs, Wallpress- they only require 1 hand and I believe it is the other hand (the one that is not constricting the base).

4- I still do not see HOW clamping restricts outflow, but still lets blood come in. I've heard SO many people say it does, but what is the biology behind it? The only explanation I can find to this is that it fully constricts the veins (as they are more on the "outside") and a little (but not all) of the arteries that still let blood flow inside. Is my explanation right? I have heard that's how it works, but I want you to exlpain to me using biology and 100% pure logical statement backed up with solid explanation.

I am in NO way trying to oppose you- I just want to see a clear explanation, because I fail to understand.

i kinda get swm, are you saying that it is still possibile for blood to exit the penis but if one is intentionally trying to pump more blood it would be more likely that blood would be easier to be pumped inside as oppose to leak out because your using pressure when you kegal andf if the blood just runs out its a slow porcess because it would have to slowly pass the contricted vein am i coreect? also my reasoning as to why pumping doesnt really work much for vets is because the pump works from outside in as oppose to inside out meaning the tunica is more effected by clamping then pumping clear point but , like i have discusses before doing erect bends in a correct manner as to where your giveing the tuniuca/penis extreme deformation then jumping into the pump having already broken in your tunica it would be more susetable to more internal expansion ... same concept appiles to doing this prior to a clamping session.. or any girth workout .... also i agreee very much with swm with the uli vs the clamp i lose blood in a uli but if i had a clamp like swm said you can produce inflow with the most minimal outflow due to the leak of blood vs the pressure of inserted "fresh"blood

samuriajack;622384 said:

i kinda get swm, are you saying that it is still possibile for blood to exit the penis but if one is intentionally trying to pump more blood it would be more likely that blood would be easier to be pumped inside as oppose to leak out because your using pressure when you kegal andf if the blood just runs out its a slow porcess because it would have to slowly pass the contricted vein am i coreect? also my reasoning as to why pumping doesnt really work much for vets is because the pump works from outside in as oppose to inside out meaning the tunica is more effected by clamping then pumping clear point but , like i have discusses before doing erect bends in a correct manner as to where your giveing the tuniuca/penis extreme deformation then jumping into the pump having already broken in your tunica it would be more susetable to more internal expansion ... same concept appiles to doing this prior to a clamping session.. or any girth workout .... also i agreee very much with swm with the uli vs the clamp i lose blood in a uli but if i had a clamp like swm said you can produce inflow with the most minimal outflow due to the leak of blood vs the pressure of inserted "fresh"blood

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Yes you get the idea of what I'm trying to convey. I'm also trying to make the point that I'm not saying pumping and extenders don't work, rather that it's harder from what I've seen and read for experienced guys who have already gained size permanently from other methods to gain from less intense methods like these.

samuriajack;622384 said:

i kinda get swm, are you saying that it is still possibile for blood to exit the penis but if one is intentionally trying to pump more blood it would be more likely that blood would be easier to be pumped inside as oppose to leak out because your using pressure when you kegal andf if the blood just runs out its a slow porcess because it would have to slowly pass the contricted vein am i coreect? also my reasoning as to why pumping doesnt really work much for vets is because the pump works from outside in as oppose to inside out meaning the tunica is more effected by clamping then pumping clear point but , like i have discusses before doing erect bends in a correct manner as to where your giveing the tuniuca/penis extreme deformation then jumping into the pump having already broken in your tunica it would be more susetable to more internal expansion ... same concept appiles to doing this prior to a clamping session.. or any girth workout .... also i agreee very much with swm with the uli vs the clamp i lose blood in a uli but if i had a clamp like swm said you can produce inflow with the most minimal outflow due to the leak of blood vs the pressure of inserted "fresh"blood

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1- Yes, it is the vein constriction that keeps blood inside the penis. My question was just- HOW is it possible for one to constrict his veins and his veins only. Veins let blood flow out of the penis and arteries let blood flow in the penis. When a tight constriction is being put on- how can anyone have control over which of them is constricted. The only logical explanation that I can come up with is that veins are on the outter layers and therefore directly clamped. Arteries on the other hand or more on the "inside" and that's why the clamping effect is not as direct. I am unsure whether this explanation is right, but that's the only one I can come up with. I find it really interesting and that's why I am asking.

2- Pumping does increase the tunica, but I believe clamping works more in smooth muscle. They both need to go hand in hand for maximu gains to be achieved. If you are interested in that- you can take a look at this ( http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/85216-truthfulness-of-theories.html )- I have linked the TGC theory in my 3rd post, give it a read. I agree that clamping is by far the most intense girth method, I have never denied that- I just said that I see lots of people (that have been around for quite some time and are not noobs) who gain with pumping pretty good. Pumping by itself- I would agree it would definitely NOT be as effective as clamping only, but when you combine both- tunica and smooth muscle girth-expansion inducing exercises- I can definitely see amazing results coming the way. I absolutely agree with SWM on the fact that clamping is by far the best method to gaining girth and much better than pumping, but still- when combined with jelqs or any other kind of smooth muscle girth exercises- I think that would definitely give the best gains!

3- The only difference I see is the fatigue and strength factor of the grip.

P.S- I really want to open a new thread about girth and different methodics on tunica and smooth muscle expansion induction exercises. I would be needing report and feedback from a lot of people, though, you think the idea is good?

stillwantmore2;622386 said:

Yes you get the idea of what I'm trying to convey. I'm also trying to make the point that I'm not saying pumping and extenders don't work, rather that it's harder from what I've seen and read for experienced guys who have already gained size permanently from other methods to gain from less intense methods like these.

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Here I absolutely agree! Hey, SWM- can you please give us a more in depth information on how tunica and smooth muscle work when it comes to length and girth? As I know that you are one of the VETS and one of the most knowledgeable people around now- I would love to learn as much as I can from you. I would be really thankful if you give us a more in depth explanation.

1- Yes, it is the vein constriction that keeps blood inside the penis. My question was just- HOW is it possible for one to constrict his veins and his veins only. Veins let blood flow out of the penis and arteries let blood flow in the penis. When a tight constriction is being put on- how can anyone have control over which of them is constricted. The only logical explanation that I can come up with is that veins are on the outter layers and therefore directly clamped. Arteries on the other hand or more on the "inside" and that's why the clamping effect is not as direct. I am unsure whether this explanation is right, but that's the only one I can come up with. I find it really interesting and that's why I am asking.

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Yes, the arterial blood inside the penis still allows blood inflow. You would have to clamp unbearably tight to cut off blood inflow.
Start another thread if you like on girth. I have never claimed to understand all the physiological science behind the whys of PE. I just relate things from my experiences and from what I have learned from others. I have seen men get too consumed with trying to figure out why this stuff works vs just doing the work. I do understand the desire to figure out the best approach for results.

yes i wanted to do this but havent said it because i thought no1 would listen to me :/ hahaha , imagine lefts have a competing routine and see which one works best some people try mine some yours !!!!

stillwantmore2;622356 said:

I think the guys who do claim gains from pumping who are not just excited over some fluid build up, are likely newbies to PE in general. I haven't seen vets report new gains from pumping, or seen what I would consider big gains 1" or more from pumping. Same thing with extenders. Studies prove extenders work, but how many men in these studies were seasoned PE guys? I'm not saying pumps don't give gains, but beyond newbie gains? I'm saying I have not read of convincing long term results. I have read of men who pumped for years, but again they don't report continued gains over time. The men I have talked to would not admit one way or another if they gained past newbie gains. They seem to either enjoy pumping as a hobby, or they seem to be holding onto size.

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I can see what you were trying to say now.

stillwantmore2;622357 said:

When I say different mechanics, I am referring to how blood flows with the clamp vs a hand and like you mention replacing muscle groups prone to fatigue in favor of a more efficient, fixed device. A clamp allows one to focus more easily on forcing more blood in through kegels and using exercises like a clamped Squash Jelq or Wall Press.

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ok so you weren't talking about mechanics you were talking about circulation and circulation altering. For me a clamp does not help being able to kegel blood in b/c i go into it 100% erect or close to 100% with the clamp nice and tight. i would just stimulate with ���� and my hand to remain in full expansion.

Zam, SWM, and Sam - the use of anything to constrict blood flow will slow down venous and arterial blood flow. there are both arterial and venous vessels both superficial and deep. and the capillary beds are vast as well throughout the penis. to cut off BOTH arterial or venous blood flow fully it would take a great deal of pressure and would lead to injury if maintained. serious injury or damage would occur sooner if the fully clamped penis was erect rather then flaccid.

in conclusion what i am saying comes down to the following. once a penis is clamped (or even pumped) to max expansion there is a equal inflow of blood and out flow because there is no more room for expansion. both inflow and outflow are restricted and slowed. penis circulation is still happening it is just MUCH slower. so now a lot of blood just bypasses the penile circulation vessels and continues on to the rest of the body. this leads to an increased pressure within the capillary beds and this is where fluid leaks from into the tissue causing fluid retention. now if you kegel and there is still room for expansion you can force more blood in b/c of the increased arterial pressure a kegel causes. but if the penis is at full expansion very little blood flow will get pushed into the penis with the kegel and what little blood does will also leave the penis through the venous vessels. while this is going on the capillary beds are highly stressed and eventually leak fluid to prevent bursting but bursting can occur and this when a person gets blood blisters and bruising.

hope that clears up the whole blood flow conundrum.

im thinking about clamping sometime soon , im convcinced this is the way to go for grth but ill definately read up 2 months worth of info on clamping before i start , i wouldnt mind doing 30 min 4-5 x a week for 4 years , as for this next 2 month period im going to begin an awakening for myself as for pe im going to mess around with a couple things for girth but my conclusion as of rigth now is that pumping has causedmy temporay impotence im able to get hard but once i finnaly get the first edge i go down in size to falcid and cant get aroused whatsoever . i beleive the outter to inner caused my temp impiotence, i asssume that my penis insantly adapted to that form of expansion and relied on it to get erect"external forces" i was once able to do 2 1/2 hours of slammers intensity wise my dick has taking an immensence range of beating these past 4 months ive been peing i also measured my girth to see if i was the 6 girth yet andto the amazement of my eyes i couldnt beleive i meaured at 5.45 maybe 5.35 girth it made no sence to me i could sware ive never measured below 5.5 i think my dick is missing a 10% in eq when attemtping to fully edge i get very close to length erect not the 8.6 so this is my reasoning that my eq is dmged for this week when i decided to remeasure im hopeing that im atleast what my starting stats were haha if not im ready for this jounrey for girth its wat has allways mattered most once i feel like iam able to acheive rager typed erections ill remeasure hopefully im atleast 5.5 though i wouldve expected to be 6 by now ...:/ im not stopping till im 7 and i wont take it easy till im atleast 6.5 im aware of the injuries i may receive from doing clamping unwisely but even if i were to be unwise perment impotence is impossible from this pratice and besiews that ill use extreme caution lol hence why im gonna study for 2 months and ill be very cautuios when i clamp down any notche also should i buy medium or large sea clamps? Hopefully i measure 5.7 please god , i dont feel like my penis feels the same in my hand but visually im use to looking at bit from the top my width is still the 2.0 but the sides dont seem as fat ill be sad if when im having that horny 100% rager i measure the same though i highly doubt it when i measure my shrunked flacid girth im .7 more from when i started please god hopefully i gained if not im preparing myself for atleast a 4 year jounrey to achieve 7 girth i bet i would receive my length goals by then but girth is my main focus now "have you heard of anyone not gaining after 4 years of clamping"? lol

also ykm ive read what you just said and as redzulu saids in which i just read couple mins ago , find the sweetspot when you clamp down if not you wont achieve what swm is saying

youknowme123321;622413 said:

ok so you weren't talking about mechanics you were talking about circulation and circulation altering. For me a clamp does not help being able to kegel blood in b/c i go into it 100% erect or close to 100% with the clamp nice and tight. i would just stimulate with ���� and my hand to remain in full expansion.

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When I contrict my base- what I LOVE doing and what really works great for me is to constrict the base with my hand and kegel every 5-10 seconds. When I perform the kegel- I loosen my grip a bit to get all the blood inside and then immediately after that- I constrict it again. This is why I find hands being better, but yes, hand fatigue and strength sure are problematic when it comes to continous constriction.

ive done this before will do it again now hahaha , also what have you gained girth wise form pe zambro?

youknowme123321;622417 said:

Zam, SWM, and Sam - the use of anything to constrict blood flow will slow down venous and arterial blood flow. there are both arterial and venous vessels both superficial and deep. and the capillary beds are vast as well throughout the penis. to cut off BOTH arterial or venous blood flow fully it would take a great deal of pressure and would lead to injury if maintained. serious injury or damage would occur sooner if the fully clamped penis was erect rather then flaccid.

in conclusion what i am saying comes down to the following. once a penis is clamped (or even pumped) to max expansion there is a equal inflow of blood and out flow because there is no more room for expansion. both inflow and outflow are restricted and slowed. penis circulation is still happening it is just MUCH slower. so now a lot of blood just bypasses the penile circulation vessels and continues on to the rest of the body. this leads to an increased pressure within the capillary beds and this is where fluid leaks from into the tissue causing fluid retention. now if you kegel and there is still room for expansion you can force more blood in b/c of the increased arterial pressure a kegel causes. but if the penis is at full expansion very little blood flow will get pushed into the penis with the kegel and what little blood does will also leave the penis through the venous vessels. while this is going on the capillary beds are highly stressed and eventually leak fluid to prevent bursting but bursting can occur and this when a person gets blood blisters and bruising.

hope that clears up the whole blood flow conundrum.

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I understand everything you wrote, but does that mean inflow and outflow are on the same level? Because when they are- the amount of blood that flows into the penis is the exact same amount of blood that flows out of the penis. The theory behin clamping is that outflow is restricted (to a certain leve) and inflow is less restricted (but less than outflow). So if 100 blood comes into the penis shaft nad 90 leaves it- this leaves us with 10% that are stuck inside and ready to make expansion (this is just a simple example). If 100 flows in and 100 flows out- there will be NO expansion and NOTHING the session would actually give us. So the inflow number needs to be LARGER than the outflow number. You said that they are both greatly reduced (yes, I agree), but do you mean that they are equally reduced?

I believe SWM is right- practice by MANY clampers is more than evident that this is the mechanism clamping works on. I can not figure out HOW exactly it works (as I am interested to know, that's the way I am, I want to understand things, not just say- it works, and when I get asked why- to answer, well, cause it works), but it looks like that is the way.... I may have misunderstood what you wanted to say, but what do you think then- shouldn't inflow be more than the outflow? And if yes- how can the constriction be SELECTIVE to contrict one a bit more than the other.

stillwantmore2;622391 said:

Yes, the arterial blood inside the penis still allows blood inflow. You would have to clamp unbearably tight to cut off blood inflow.
Start another thread if you like on girth. I have never claimed to understand all the physiological science behind the whys of PE. I just relate things from my experiences and from what I have learned from others. I have seen men get too consumed with trying to figure out why this stuff works vs just doing the work. I do understand the desire to figure out the best approach for results.

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So true, so many men get wrapped up in the science behind PE that they loose touch with the simplicity of what PE really is. PE is a very easy thing to understand without having to get so deep into the physiology behind it. If you stretch the penis it gets longer if you squeeze and jelq the penis it gets thicker...very simple.

Zambrodom3;622425 said:

I understand everything you wrote, but does that mean inflow and outflow are on the same level? Because when they are- the amount of blood that flows into the penis is the exact same amount of blood that flows out of the penis. The theory behin clamping is that outflow is restricted (to a certain leve) and inflow is less restricted (but less than outflow). So if 100 blood comes into the penis shaft nad 90 leaves it- this leaves us with 10% that are stuck inside and ready to make expansion (this is just a simple example). If 100 flows in and 100 flows out- there will be NO expansion and NOTHING the session would actually give us. So the inflow number needs to be LARGER than the outflow number. You said that they are both greatly reduced (yes, I agree), but do you mean that they are equally reduced?

I believe SWM is right- practice by MANY clampers is more than evident that this is the mechanism clamping works on. I can not figure out HOW exactly it works (as I am interested to know, that's the way I am, I want to understand things, not just say- it works, and when I get asked why- to answer, well, cause it works), but it looks like that is the way.... I may have misunderstood what you wanted to say, but what do you think then- shouldn't inflow be more than the outflow? And if yes- how can the constriction be SELECTIVE to contrict one a bit more than the other.

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when the penis is at max expansion inflow and outflow are equal. at full expansion, if 10 comes in 10 also goes out. just slower then it normally would. as the penis is working up to full expansion that is when inflow > outflow (50 in and 5 out). as the penis gets closer to full expansion the amount of blood flowing in decreases until they equal out at full expansion. when the capillary bed succumb to the stress put on them and begin to leak causing fluid retentions inflow my very minimally increase over outflow.

doublelongdaddy;622719 said:

So true, so many men get wrapped up in the science behind PE that they loose touch with the simplicity of what PE really is. PE is a very easy thing to understand without having to get so deep into the physiology behind it. If you stretch the penis it gets longer if you squeeze and jelq the penis it gets thicker...very simple.

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absolutely.

the science is fun though. whether it's PE or any enhancement we can achieve